Subj: {not a subscriber} Re: Sandwich/Sandridge Date: 4/25/99 11:57:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: trumpjm1@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu (dean sandage) Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:trumpjm1@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu">trumpjm1@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu </A> To: jmurphy@erinet.com (Judy M.) CC: SANDIDGE-L@rootsweb.com, esandage@soltec.net, trumpjm1@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu, KRAM95@aol.com, jhcn23a@flash.net, janie@discoverynet.com, s-sandage@bethel.edu, donsan55@att.co.kr, sandage@ee.gatech.edu, Lsandage@uaex.edu, sandage@andrew.cmu.edu, smsandage@juno.com, tgoodwin@ns.gemlink.com, spaulding@sddt.com, amity@cdm.org, lsandage@indy1.nmpinc.com, csandage@ozarka.tec.ar.us, csandage@catc.net, dsandage@catc.net, lsandage@appraisaljobs.com, dr8@pmail.net, lauragb@juno.com Judith--- The following quotation may help to explain why I scavenge and seek to keep old objects. >From my Funk and Wagnalls New Standard Encyclopedia, Volume XXI, Deluxe Edition, 1947 edition, thew following relevant to the 1rst Earl of Sandwich: "Sandwich,Edward Montagu, Earl of (1625-72), an English admiral, son of Sir Sidney Montegu, a Royalist, but himself in his early youth a Parliamentarian. He raised a regiment when 18, fought at Marston Moor in 1644 and in 1645 at Naseby. In 1656, thanks to his friendship with Cromwell, he was appointed Blake's colleague. Deprived of all commands save that of admiral, after the fall of Richard Cromwell, Montagu joined the the party in favor of the Restoration. His intrigues at this time, and especially his friction with General Monk, are vividly sketched in the diary of his secretary, Samuel Pepys. On the return of Charles II Montague [sic] became Earl of Sandwich and was entrusted with negotiations for the King's marriage with Catharine of Braganza and for the cession of Tangiers to England. He won the victory of Lowestoft over the Dutch in 1665 and was promoted to be commander in chief. In 1672, as second in command to the Duke of York, he was defeated off Solebay; his flagship blew up, and he was killed." In other words, brilliant as he was, he was in history a "loser," and thus, for example, when I checked my Collier's New Encyclopedia (© 1921), here is the only relevant entry: SANDWICH (so called after John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, Kent, England, who used to have sabdwishes brought to him at the gaming table, to enable him to play without leaving off), two thin slices of bread, plain or buttered, with a slice of meat, as ham, beef, etc., seasoned with mustard, between them; hence, applied to anything resembling a sandwich, i.e., consisting of a person or thing placed between two different things. *** This concept of a person or thing placed between two different things strikes me as very important. Note that, as previously expressed by me, while I, too, was led to believe by my Paternal family that we are Scots-Irish, and that you and I are DISTANT LEGS OF THE SANDAGE FAMILY GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 1812 IN INDIANA, I have been maintaining for now several years that we are essentially Huguenots originating in The Carolinas, where we RECREATED or DENIED our EARLIER HISTORY. Believe me when I tell you that I remain open to your explorations of Virginia, but in my own research I find nothing of Virginia. Prove the connection to me! I believe that the connection is The Carolinas and the Huguenots, and I believe that we are denied our European connections precisely because our ancestors sought an American anonymity as they sought to escape the Repression of the several Catholic reactions to Reformations, the latter originating in Germany, where Gutenberg had reinvented the Chinese invention of the Moveable Type. Our surname is NOT Scots-Irish and it is NOT English. It is possibly from Normandy! But it can also be Alsace-Lorraine, or even Dutch! In any case, I am in total concurrence in your search for an explanation of WHO WE ARE in historical terms. It seems that we have been totally cut off from our European Ancestry at a certain point. That Certain Point will, ultimately, explain our origins. I believe that we originate from a Family that was in Resistance against Catholicism, and was hounded out of Europe because of it. I suspect, also, that we were artisans, and literate. Our respective Families probably kept Bibles, and made notations in them (which was probably illegal in Europe!) Your pursuit of Sandwich is a parallel to my pursuit of Sandhage! Love and kisses, Dennis Dean Sandage