Den, I forgot to mention that Mary (wife of Nathan Sandage) is believed to be daughter of a Hugenenot from PA -- did I ever tell you this? He moved from PA (Lancaster Co I think was told me) with his family to VA and then on to Union Co, SC. Of course someone else believes her father to be another man. If we are of Huegenot herritage it is possible how they met, etc. Can't recall if I ever mentioned above but know I mentioned that I have been searching ALL states/countries and ALL spellings and sic spellings just trying to find our roots. Never have found the marriage of Nathan and Mary yet either. Again since her parents stopped in VA before SC it is possible this or PA is where they married. Thanks so much for the info on the 1st Earl of Sandwich -- someone else had said he had been a friend of Pepys or served under him, but never heard anymore of this until your article from encyclopedia. For those on the list -- Dean is a very distant cousin of mine who has bantered back and forth with me about our heritage; but this speculation and bantering often gives me more ideas to explore while trying to find PROOF on Mary's parentage and surname as well as PROOF of parentage of our Nathan Sandage/Sandridge/Savage/Sandidge and how he fits into the rest of the family. Although I have been told his parents name and that he was born either in Albemarle Co, VA or Spotsylvania Co I have NEVER been able to prove this. I have mentioned on this list previously who they say his parents are. Judy M. 11:58 PM 4/25/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Judith--- > >The following quotation may help to explain why I scavenge and seek to keep >old objects. >From my Funk and Wagnalls New Standard Encyclopedia, Volume XXI, Deluxe >Edition, 1947 edition, thew following relevant to the 1rst Earl of Sandwich: > >"Sandwich,Edward Montagu, Earl of (1625-72), an English admiral, son of Sir >Sidney Montegu, a Royalist, but himself in his early youth a Parliamentarian. >He raised a regiment when 18, fought at Marston Moor in 1644 and in 1645 at >Naseby. In 1656, thanks to his friendship with Cromwell, he was appointed >Blake's colleague. Deprived of all commands save that of admiral, after the >fall of Richard Cromwell, Montagu joined the the party in favor of the >Restoration. His intrigues at this time, and especially his friction with >General Monk, are vividly sketched in the diary of his secretary, Samuel >Pepys. On the return of Charles II Montague [sic] became Earl of Sandwich and >was entrusted with negotiations for the King's marriage with Catharine of >Braganza and for the cession of Tangiers to England. He won the victory of >Lowestoft over the Dutch in 1665 and was promoted to be commander in chief. In >1672, as second in command to the Duke of York, he was defeated off Solebay; >his flagship blew up, and he was killed." > >In other words, brilliant as he was, he was in history a "loser," and thus, >for example, when I checked my Collier's New Encyclopedia (© 1921), here is >the only relevant entry: > >SANDWICH (so called after John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, Kent, England, >who used to have sabdwishes brought to him at the gaming table, to enable him >to play without leaving off), two thin slices of bread, plain or buttered, >with a slice of meat, as ham, beef, etc., seasoned with mustard, between them; >hence, applied to anything resembling a sandwich, i.e., consisting of a person >or thing placed between two different things. > >*** >This concept of a person or thing placed between two different things strikes >me as very important. Note that, as previously expressed by me, while I, too, >was led to believe by my Paternal family that we are Scots-Irish, and that you >and I are DISTANT LEGS OF THE SANDAGE FAMILY GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 1812 IN >INDIANA, I have been maintaining for now several years that we are essentially >Huguenots originating in The Carolinas, where we RECREATED or DENIED our >EARLIER HISTORY. > >Believe me when I tell you that I remain open to your explorations of >Virginia, but in my own research I find nothing of Virginia. Prove the >connection to me! I believe that the connection is The Carolinas and the >Huguenots, and I believe that we are denied our European connections precisely >because our ancestors sought an American anonymity as they sought to escape >the Repression of the several Catholic reactions to Reformations, the latter >originating in Germany, >where Gutenberg had reinvented the Chinese invention of the Moveable Type. > >Our surname is NOT Scots-Irish and it is NOT English. It is possibly from >Normandy! But it can also be Alsace-Lorraine, or even Dutch! > >In any case, I am in total concurrence in your search for an explanation of >WHO WE ARE in historical terms. It seems that we have been totally cut off >from our European Ancestry at a certain point. >That Certain Point will, ultimately, explain our origins. >I believe that we originate from a Family that was in Resistance against >Catholicism, and was hounded out of Europe because of it. >I suspect, also, that we were artisans, and literate. Our respective Families >probably kept Bibles, and made notations in them (which was probably illegal >in Europe!) > >Your pursuit of Sandwich is a parallel to my pursuit of Sandhage! > >Love and kisses, > >Dennis Dean Sandage >-30- >