Not proven, but an old genealogist (she is in late 90's now and haven't gotten response to my letters as to WHERE she found this info) told me that John, b ca 1666 england and d 1708 New Kent VA (your #1) was son of (Col) James Thomas Sandwich, b ca 1620 England -- said that James went by Thomas and James both in records she found.(sure wish I knew WHAT records those were and where they are located........) Said that your #1 John Sandidge had wife #2 Kathleen Pendleton and his first wife was Mary Vaughn. Mentions a son of his William baptized Jul 10, 1698 New Kent Co, VA St. Peter's Parish and this would be your #2 on list. She told me that John and Mary Vaughn also had son Thomas Sanbige, b 1691 New Kent Co, VA or Albemarle/Spotsylvania Cos in VA and spouse of Frances Choppell/Chappelle who you also show as your #2 and Thomas' son as #3 Nathan. But so far I have never PROVEN any of this and also seek the proof that Thomas and Mary Vaughn are parents of Nathan. It is said that Thomas and Frances (Choppell) Sanbige/Sandidge moved from VA to SC and this ALSO I am trying to find info on -- where in SC did they move, and who are the other children that they had, when and where did they die, etc. I really doubt that this person listed in book is the Thomas who married Frances Choppell, and if willed to him he would have been 17 years old and this would have been after his father John died 1708. I still haven't figured out where they got this 1701 since the quote didn't say anything about this being date of land transfers in the book......... Now John had to have come from England AFTER 1666 timeframe since this is when he was supposed to have been born in England -- and yet nothing I find anywhere shows that his father James (Thomas) actually stayed in England -- for all we know his father aka Thomas may have come to VA with John and may be the Thomas mentioned in this land grant if the actual date really IS 1701. Of course many times grandchildren DO get land upon death of a grandfather, so who is to say that this was not land that James Thomas Sandwich may have owned (if he came to America too). Just making assumptions and talking "out loud" my thoughts as I have been trying to prove this stuff for 35 years........ As for the Thomas and Frances' child being in civil war -- I really doubt this since this is around 100 years!!! after Nathan was said to have been born (ca 1754) and I believe it is said that Thomas and Frances also had another son, William (again haven't proven the children of Thomas and Frances and still seeking all their names) who also was supposed to have been born around the same timeframe -- so it is VERY UNLIKELY that this is the SAME Thomas and Frances' child who was in civil war. War of 1812 or even Rev War would have been more like it, so this is probably ANOTHER Thomas and Frances. Just my 2cents worth and HOPING in my lifetime that someone finds proof of Nathan's parents really being Thomas and Frances (Choppell), and getting proof of all our older ancestors back to England, Ireland, Scotland or WHEREVER they came from...... Judith Sandage Murphy (Judy M.) At 11:22 AM 9/17/1999 EDT, you wrote: >Hello, everyone, > >I haven't talked to Mr. Sandige again but I was looking on my family tree and >there is a Thomas Sandidge/Sandage/Sandige who married a Francis. Does >anyone have proof of this Thomas who married Frances Chappell and his birth >of 1691? Mr. Sandige had a Thomas also who married a Francis. A note I have >from a past message from the Sandidge list said the following: > >(Date: 98-07-19 21:25:50 EDT >From: janie@discoverynet.com (carolyn s jackson) >To: SANDIDGE-L@rootsweb.com > >A couple years ago when I was researching in Virginia-land I found the >following that mentions Thomas Sanadge (Sandage?): > >It is from "Cavaliers & Pioneers" Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents & >Grants, Patent Book # 9, Page 55: > >CHICHELEY CORBIN THACKER, 3080 acs., K. & Q. Co., in Pamunkey Neck; 12 >Nov. 1701/2, p. 427. Beg. in Darrell's line; to Perry's Sw; near North >Wales Path; by runn of the up. Herring Cr; to Mr. Whitehead's line, & c. >Trans. of 62 pers: ............THOMAS SANADGE > >Could this possibly be Thomas as of Thomas & Frances Chappell? What do >you think? I do have the names of the other 61 persons, if anyone >thinks they need it.) End of that message. > >Now if Thomas Sandidge/Sandige/ Sandage/Sanadge was born 1691, would he be >mentioned about land in 1701? I don't have this book so don't know if Thomas >was getting land or selling land or what? That would make Thomas 10 yrs >old. Mr. Sandige had two brothers leaving Scotland around 1650 which would >make Thomas in 1701 older than fifty. > >I also see what Jean McGee saw about Henry, son of Thomas & Francis Sandige, >killed in the Civil War. I'll ask Mr. Sandige some of these things when I >get a chance to talk to him. Remember he was getting this info from a great >aunt who probably got it from stories handed down from her ancestors. My >ancestors have said that William was of Swedish descent and married Elizabeth >Taylor which we haven't proven and now think otherwise. Rita > >My family tree has the following: > >Descendants of John Sandidge > > 1 John Sandidge b: 1666 in England d: 1708 New Kent County, VA >.. +Mary Vaughn b: 1670 in England d: Aft 1707 VA Father: >Mother: > 2 William Sandidge, Sr b: Bef July 10, 1698 in New Kent County, VA >d: Aft March 11, 1746/47 Spotsylvania County, VA >... +Ann (Holliday) Pulliam b: Bef November 22, 1702 in New Kent County, >VA d: 1794 Louisa County, VA m: 1718 in VA Father: William Pulliam >Mother: Ann Patterson >. 3 William (Sandridge) Sandidge, Jr b: 1719 in Spotsylvania Co, VA >d: July 1777 Albemarle Co, VA >..... +Elizabeth (Betty) Graves b: February 14, 1719/20 in >Spotsylvania Co, VA d: January 6, 1826 Green Co, Ky m: 1740 in Spotsylvania >Co, VA Father: John Graves, Jr Mother: Frances Coleman >. 3 Mary Sandidge b: 1720 d: 1783 Halifax Co, VA >..... +Anthony Gholston b: 1708 in Spotsylvania County, VA d: 1779 >Halifax Co, VA m: 1742 in Spotsylvania County, VA Father: Anthony Gholston >Mother: Jane ? >. *2nd Husband of Mary Sandidge: >..... +John Brown m: August 8, 1788 in Halifax Co, VA Father: >Mother: >. 3 David Sandidge b: 1728 in Spotsylvania County, VA d: December 10, >1802 Shackle Fords, King & Queen Co, VA >..... +Ann W. Pulliam b: 1734 in <Spotsylvania Co, VA> m: in >Spotsylvania County, VA Father: Thomas Pullliam Mother: Winifred Holliday >. 3 James Sandidge b: May 22, 1730 in Spotsylvania County, VA d: Abt >1810 Louisa County, VA >..... +Jane (Anne) Shelton b: May 22, 1730 in Spotsylvania Co, VA >d: Abt 1811 Louisa Co, VA Father: Ralph Shelton Mother: Mary Pollard >. 3 John Sandidge b: Aft June 1730 in St George's Parish Spotsylvania >County, VA d: 1803 Amherst County, VA >..... +Keziah Gatewood b: 1730 in King & Queen Co, VA d: Bef 1796 >Amherst Co., VA m: Abt 1752 in VA Father: Henry Gatewood Mother: >Dorothy Dudley > 2 Thomas Sandidge b: 1691 >... +Frances Chappell m: February 20, 1711/12 in Albemarle Co, >VA Father: Mother: >. 3 Nathan Sandidge >..... +Mary Canady/Kennedy Father: Mother: > > >