Tamara, that was beautiful and so well said. A few years ago I wrote a poem that speaks to this feeling. It is quite long so I am only sending the last few lines. Could they only imagine on that long-ago day That the entries they made would affect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel And our searching that makes them increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. Family history is a strange thing. You either "get it" or you don't. For those of us that do get it, it is a stirring in our soul to put a face to our ancestors, to walk in their shoes, and experience history...the good...the bad...and the ugly. There are many things in history to make us weep and cringe. The Witch Trials were one such thing. This last year my husband and I have traveled extensively across the US and have visited many historical sites. Many have been the sites of suffering and persecution. The hush of Vicksburg stirred me and I stood with tears as I remembered my ancestors that fought in the Civil War; I witnessed some of the shacks that depicted how the slaves lived and suffered, and I cringed at the knowledge that some of my ancestors were slave owners. I looked around and I saw that segregation is still very much alive in places, and that we still have a long way to go in our quest for tolerance. There are so many things that happened in our history. Some we can be proud of, some we must accept as lessons. Instead of focusing on the negative things in history, let us learn from our mistakes and go forward and try to make world a better place right now. I have researched many of my ancestors. Some were kind and gentle people and I am very proud of them. Some were troubled and less than kind. But they all were human beings, and I am the sum of all of them...the good and the bad. They all have a story to tell and a lesson to teach, if we only listen with our hearts. Darlene

Hello All: Just a note to say that this new discussion is great, we are now talking about our 'feelings' which I personally find very relevant, in today's society! Thank you, Darlene, for being the 'spearhead' of this new theme, even though you didn't mean to! We all had a period of 'excitement' upon the discovery of our relationship to such remarkable human beings, regardless of the 'side' they were on...and it was only with much further investigation and study that our excitement changed to actual hardcore knowledge, and many more serious thoughts, as a result. The revelation of the 'feelings' of our ancestors...the terror, pain and hopelessness. Being falsely accused and put to death, while their families stood helplessly by, unable to help. Were there questions in the minds of the accusers? Did they actually believe the words of children and others who 'witnessed' the behaviors which were considered evil and malevolent? Did they wonder if those statements were actually true? Were there doubts in their minds? And what were their lives like after...many lived long lives with the sure knowledge that they had put to death many innocent friends and neighbors. Francine, Pamela and Tamara all wrote eloquently about their feelings, indeed it has been a very worthwhile exchange for all of us so privileged to participate. Somehow I am sure that all of our ancestors are pleased at our enlightenment! The rigidity is gone. As has been said by others, tolerance is the key here. We are a spoiled society, right? Hard to make room for the other guy, unless one just happens to have had an occurance such as this which has personally affected them. We are among those so privileged, and it is up to us to enlighten the many... We are the beacons...our ancestors the source of the light. Shine on, Salem descendants! Beth

After hearing what Jerry Fallwell said after 911 I am firmly convinced that the Witch trials have never ended and they contnue on and on only the victims are different. I feel that if allowed to some would bring back the burning and hanging days and that the Inquisition is alive and well. Intolerance is what everyone needs to fear, that and if any group is allowed to pervert the Constitution and deny us the freedoms that Frankllin, Adams, Jefferson etc. fought for. Tolerance is Godly and intolerance =hate. It happened during the Salem Witch trials and keeps on happening. Tolerance is the major factor toward achieving peace. Blessings, to you all. gotta go catch a plane! Pamela E. Apkarian-Russell, daughter of a survivor of the Armenian Genocide ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francine Nicholson" <sorcha432@hotmail.com> To: <SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Descendant Responsibility > I've been thinking over what Adrienne wrote about whether descendants--or > others--can make too much of a fuss in commemorating the deceased of one > tragedy or another. I don't have a problem with a group of descendants > taking time to commemorate those lost on the Titanic--especially since they > are also recalling how that tragedy affected their families. After all, it's > not like they can put flowers on the graves or something like that. I do > have a problem with filmmakers making such fusses, and I'm beginning to get > bugged with politicians who seem to bring up 9/11 just to get an emotional > response from the audience. > > By and large, though, I think it's important to remind people of what > happened in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Hampshire in the seventeenth > century so that we understand what happened and don't do it again. Despite > the way Miller changed the actual events for the purposes of his plot, he > did show that Salem could happen again and was happening again in the > McCarthy hearings. I tend to think that as descendants we have a special > responsibility to see that the trials are not repeated, and that people > today understand what really happened: that it wasn't a bunch of spooky, > Blair-Witch sort of business, but real communities so divided by hate and > fear that some people turned on others and ensured that they were stripped > of their property, tortured, brutalized, and killed. > > Salem today is a weird conglomeration, a mix of busy commercial center, > colonial remnants, and hokum. I have friends who are Wiccan and some who > identify themselves as witches, and they have *very* mixed feelings about > Salem and some of the current inhabitants and are definitely bugged by stuff > like the logo on the local potato chips. But, though the trials took place > in Salem (is that right?), the fuss began in Salem Village, which is down > the road and less apt to capitalize on the notoriety. Salem definitely is a > fun place to visit. I'm not sure how one also communicates a sense of what > was not so fun in its past. Time has a way of wiping out the horror and > leaving only sunshine and flowers and seagulls looking for leftovers. > > Francine > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > >

I've been thinking over what Adrienne wrote about whether descendants--or others--can make too much of a fuss in commemorating the deceased of one tragedy or another. I don't have a problem with a group of descendants taking time to commemorate those lost on the Titanic--especially since they are also recalling how that tragedy affected their families. After all, it's not like they can put flowers on the graves or something like that. I do have a problem with filmmakers making such fusses, and I'm beginning to get bugged with politicians who seem to bring up 9/11 just to get an emotional response from the audience. By and large, though, I think it's important to remind people of what happened in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Hampshire in the seventeenth century so that we understand what happened and don't do it again. Despite the way Miller changed the actual events for the purposes of his plot, he did show that Salem could happen again and was happening again in the McCarthy hearings. I tend to think that as descendants we have a special responsibility to see that the trials are not repeated, and that people today understand what really happened: that it wasn't a bunch of spooky, Blair-Witch sort of business, but real communities so divided by hate and fear that some people turned on others and ensured that they were stripped of their property, tortured, brutalized, and killed. Salem today is a weird conglomeration, a mix of busy commercial center, colonial remnants, and hokum. I have friends who are Wiccan and some who identify themselves as witches, and they have *very* mixed feelings about Salem and some of the current inhabitants and are definitely bugged by stuff like the logo on the local potato chips. But, though the trials took place in Salem (is that right?), the fuss began in Salem Village, which is down the road and less apt to capitalize on the notoriety. Salem definitely is a fun place to visit. I'm not sure how one also communicates a sense of what was not so fun in its past. Time has a way of wiping out the horror and leaving only sunshine and flowers and seagulls looking for leftovers. Francine _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

With the risk of putting my foot in my mouth again... LOL, I would like to enlist the help of this list in my quest for knowledge regarding the Witch Trials and the testimony of my ancestors Joseph Ring and his wife Mary Brackett. I would like to share the following information I have about this family, and ask for your input as to his possible motive. If you have any ideas, please let me know. (3) 1676, 9 Aug: The family of Anthony Brackett were taken prisoner at Back Cove (near Portland) by a group of Indians led by Symon, a "converted" Indian who had lived among the settlers at Haverhill, MA. (NOTE: See Philip Eastman Rin 1390 for more about Symon.) (4) 1691: Mary's Brackett grandparents were living at Sandy Beach when they were killed and many unnamed members of their family taken prisoner by the Indians. According to further mention in the Genealogy Dictionary of Maine and New Hampshire Mary's son, Seth Ring may have been conceived during her captivity. Mary Brackett who m. 1st Joseph Ring of Salisbury, 2d in 1710 Nathaniel Whittier of Salis. among Seth's desc. a strong and early tradition persists that he was on Indian blood. If Mary was taken at Falmouth in 1690 or was with her Brackett grandparents at Sandy Beach in 1691 when they were killed and many unnamed members of their family were taken prisoner, it is not impossible that she had a child by an Indian father during her captivity. Joseph Ring was at Fort Loyal in 1690 and was probably that captive J.R. tortured and burned at the stake in 1704 by Indians in revenge for their losses in the attack on Berwick. See 3 Mass. Hist. Soc. Coll. VI. S.R's will 5 Feb. 1756-30 May 1757 names his children. Joseph, bp. 5 Jan, 1717-18 exec, Scarbory, Mariner. Benjamin. Eliphalet, and Seth and Mary, w. of one Huntress (all three in Halifax). In 1692 Joseph Ring testified against Susannah Martin. My goal is to try to track this family and write a family book about them. I am especially trying to figure out what the motive may have been for Joseph's testimony. I wonder if the fact that the birth date given for Seth is 1692 and the fact that Mary was taken captive in 1691 may have had some bearing on his state of mind. From what I have been able to find, Joseph and Mary Brackett married in 1690. Thoughts? As I mentioned in my posting, I am most eager to learn all I can about this period of history and truly appreciate any incite I may gain from those of you who have a better knowledge of this than I. Smiles Darlene

I wanted to quickly share my experience of discovering that I am descended from Rebecca Nurse. I was thrilled when I first made the connection, having always been interested in the history of the Trials, so on my next vacation, I planned a trip to Salem. Salem is a strange place to me. It is easy to get caught up in the "fun", almost theme-park like atmosphere of parts of Salem, with all the wax museums, gift shops and witch silhouettes everywhere. I felt a distinctly bizarre surrealism that all of this "witchy" tourist environment was really a result of a horrible tragedy. When I really began to feel that surrealism was when I visited Salem area a second time and went to the Nurse Homestead in Danvers. I stood in Rebecca's very bedroom, where she was lying ill when friends came to tell her that she had been accused. As I listened to the guide tell the story, I realized that I was touching the doorjamb, and that she had doubtless touched that very same piece of wood thousands of times while she lived in that house and raised her children. Suddenly it became very real to me as I stood in her bedroom that Rebecca had been a real person, just like me, trying to take care of her family and live her life in the best way she knew how. The terrible tragedy of her accusation, arrest, and eventual conviction and execution really touched me in a personal way. It was a beautiful and moving experience, and I feel very changed by the sudden ability to truly appreciate the Trials for the tragedy that they were, rather than the dry facts that I had read in history books. I am still excited to be descended from such a brave woman, and love to tell people about it, but I always make sure to also explain some of the surrounding circumstances so that people can really get more of an emotional sense of what the Trials must have been like. So, I completely understand how exciting it is to find so much information on an ancestor! And I feel very thankful that I have also been able to experience some of the history in an almost personal way. I also think that we are blessed, as descendants of the Trial participants, because there *is* so much information available, and we can learn so much more about these particular ancestors and what they and their lives were like. Since my last trip, I have discovered that I am also descended from Sarah Cloyce, and Susannah Martin's husband through his first wife. I am eager to go back to Essex County again and really try to learn more about the personal lives of these folks. That is what really brings everything home for me. -Tamara __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com

In a message dated 8/18/2002 6:09:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ajfoster@pacbell.net writes: << Some of our later ancestors even intermarried between the two "political camps." >> Dear Adrienne, Took my Towne/Nurse/Putnam Ancestors about 30 years to inter-marry after Hangings(Putnam girl testified against Rebecca Nurse). Cheers, Bob

I apologize for my poor choice of words. I did not mean to be insensitive. I don't believe the atrocities were "fun" for either the accused or the accusers. As a genealogist, it is "interesting" and "provocative" (and at times even "fun") to find mention of an ancestors name in the history books. Would you like to know the information I have found about Joseph Ring included the following from: Old Families of Salisbury and Amesbury, Massachusetts," by David W. Hoyt (Reprint 1897-1919. New England History Press, Somersworth, NH, 1981) p.298,359,385,821,1002. Death: (1) Estate administered 30 May 1705. (2) A Joseph Ring taken captive by Indians, tortured and burned at the stake in revenge for their losses in the attack on Berwick, ME, 1704. This correlates with other information I have found on this ancestor. Despite the tone (intended or not) of many of your messages, I do appreciate this opportunity to grow and learn about this part of history. Since being in Salem and Danvers, I have developed a deep interest in these trials. I have been moved to tears while standing at the monuments, and have come away with wanting to learn all I can. That is the reason I joined this list. Again, please accept my apology for my poor choice of words. Darlene

My tone in responding to Darlene's comments was rather arrogant and I apologize for the attitude. When James Cameron asked for a minute of silence for the TITANIC victims at the 1998 Academy Awards ceremony, I was skeptical. Louis B. Mayer never issued similar apologies for GONE WITH THE WIND. Considering it had been 85 years after the ship sank, contemporary folk had been distanced from it long enough. I hadn't heard anyone complain about exploitation, although when Cameron pulled that stunt I surely felt they were. My feeling was that if the families of the accident victims hadn't recovered from it by 1997, they must be pathetically lacking gumption. You can say the same for those of us with ancestors caught in the Salem Witch Trial tangle. Honestly, when I first mentioned to my mother that Susannah Martin had been vindicated by the State of Massachusetts last year, she had asked what the point was. Although some families recovered what they lost, the Martins, for whatever reason, chose not to pursue this course of action. I can imagine how it would look if we did so now; however when you consider how most of the others who were executed had been posthumously declared innocent, it was fair. >From what I understand, the four girls who were the primary accusers in the trials, never lived it down. They were shunned by most of the community and only two of them married when they moved out of the area. As Darlene points out, karma caught up with Joseph Ring when he was captured by the Natives. Genealogists can be formidable historians. Learning about what happened before us is fun, but it's accumulating knowledge for its own sake. (Was it Ben Franklin who said "Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it?") While we feel for the suffering of our ancestors, I don't believe anyone feels truly hostile about what happened between our ancestors 310 years ago. Some of our later ancestors even intermarried between the two "political camps." I have one friend who claims he was descended from the "illegitimate progeny" of Charles II of England. It's a fun claim to make, but that isn't what got him where he is in this world. Alas, I ramble. I apologize if I put anyone off. Adrienne

Several listmembers commented on Darlene's statement that her experience of finding records conntected with her accuser ancestors was "fun." Beth wrote: >Life moves on, and we truly haven't even the slightest clue as to what our relateds felt or of the despicable horror they experienced, we can only barely begin to imagine. But I have met some who don't even bother to think about that...just that they are related to a 'witch' killed in 1692, and what a 'great thing' that is, to them. So perhaps simple tolerance is the requirement, here. I read Darlene's comments with mixed feelings. I agree with Beth that simple tolerance is needed. It is *fun* to search for one's ancestors and successfuly find material about them. But sometimes it is also horrible. When I found the records of my great-great-grandfather's death, I was very excited to finally have them in my hands! But I was also horrified when I read that his upper quarter had been hit by shot and the arm had been amputated consequently. Since I had also read about ammunition used then, what kind of wounds it caused, and the conditions under which amputations were done--I'd even found the memoirs of a doctor operating in the same place a few days after my relative was treated--, I had a very clear idea of the conditions and suffering he endured before dying three days later. So while I understood Darlene's excitment at successfully finding records, I also reacted to her words with the same pang of disbelief, offense, and discomfort that others felt. Beth also wrote: >Were they to go to Salem and stand at the lip of the gully where the bodies of these unfortunate victims were thrown after their death by hanging, perhaps those people might just be able to feel more of a sense of what really did occur, those hundreds of years ago...I found the experience very overwhelming, very sad, very enlightening, in that sensing. As if their spirits were still right there....very present, very moving.That is what I took with me, walking away from Gallows Hill June 9th, 2002. I get similar feelings each time I go to Newburyport and look at the street where Elizabeth Morse lived and imagine her, week after week, dragging that ball and chain across the square to the church, escorted by the minister, forever branded like Hester Prynne only with a burden that impeded her every move, always an object of scorn and condemnation because some of her neighbors didn't like her. Those accusers must have been filled with hate, resentment, and envy to inflict such unending scorn and humiliation on her. And unlike the Salem witches, she has never been cleared. Nathaniel Hawthorne struggled all his life with the burden of knowing his ancestor had condemned so many people. I'm not saying descendants should carry guilt or blame. However, I think we all have a responsibility to see that the sins of the past are not repeated. The first step is becoming aware of those sins and the destruction, pain, and suffering they caused. The excitement and "fun" of recovering the past should be accompanied by knowledge of and sensitivity to the consequences of what happened. Some of the first settlers obviously hated their neighbors so much that they sought their deaths or unending humiliation. Belief in witchcraft was real, but what each historian has told us, over and over, is that *who* was accused had very, very little to do with belief in witchcraft and a whole lot to do with hatred and envy of neighbors. Francine _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Here is a webpage of some pics we took on our trip to Massachusetts in 2000. The first eight are of Danvers. The house is the Sarah Warren Prince Osborne house, then comes the Witch Hysteria Memorial in Danvers. The rest are of Plymouth and Barnstable and of a family reunion in Connecticut. Click on any image to see a larger version. http://lathrop.tripod.com/reunion00/reunion.html Hope you enjoy them. Jon Lathrop descendant of Sarah Warren Prince Osborne died in prision on May 10, 1692 accused of witchcraft. -- Jonathan Lathrop Have Truck Will Haul Moving Service Riverdale, Maryland Careful Courteous Reasonable Reliable jonathan@lathrop.com http://jonathan.lathrop.com Phone: 301-779-7190 Cell: 202-352-8549

Beth, Very well said. I felt the same on June 9th when we threw those roses down into the ravine. The memorial service when Rev. Barz-Snell read each name was so touching. One of the more important lessons to take from Salem would be tolerance of and fairness to others. I don't think Darlene meant to offend. In her excitement, she chose the wrong words. Perhaps, as she does more research, she will begin to realize that these were real, living human beings, who loved and were loved, not just names on a page. Bonnie 8th great-granddaughter of Susanna North Martin

To All: Some are very removed from what happened 310 years ago, and somehow I would like to believe that most of us descendants are not too sensitive about this...my feelings are that we all need to step back a bit, and realize that it is not us, personally, but our ancestors, very many times removed, of whom we speak. And that these comments, even though they were without any sensitivity, are not aimed at us, personally. It is a very exciting chapter of one's life, in today's times, to be a descendant of either a victim or an accuser, or even a judge or member of the jury. Many look at that as a 'thing' rather than an honor. For some, it's just too far removed to be relevant (the suffering of our ancestors vs.the accusers.) Life moves on, and we truly haven't even the slightest clue as to what our relateds felt or of the despicable horror they experienced, we can only barely begin to imagine. But I have met some who don't even bother to think about that...just that they are related to a 'witch' killed in 1692, and what a 'great thing' that is, to them. So perhaps simple tolerance is the requirement, here. Were they to go to Salem and stand at the lip of the gully where the bodies of these unfortunate victims were thrown after their death by hanging, perhaps those people might just be able to feel more of a sense of what really did occur, those hundreds of years ago...I found the experience very overwhelming, very sad, very enlightening, in that sensing. As if their spirits were still right there....very present, very moving.That is what I took with me, walking away from Gallows Hill June 9th, 2002. Take care...Beth Bridget Bishop, Sarah Wildes Bishop

In a message dated 8/17/2002 12:19:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, towle@sbcics.com writes: << Somehow the word "fun" doesn't come to my mind when I think about reading false >> Hi Tom, Good point, although I don't think Darlene meant it the way it sounded. Have a great day. Cheers, Bob (8th GGrandson of Rebecca Towne Nurse)

I've noticed that there's a popular notion that if you weren't hanged or pressed to death, then your life went on as before. In fact, it seems that many people's lives were ruined. Has anyone tracked how many people died in prison? I don't recall. So many people had all their property confiscated as soon as they were accused and never recovered it or the value. Those who escaped had to give up their property and connections. And there were other types of punishments that were almost as horrendous as these. Some women were put in carts and puleed from town to town. At each stop, they were stripped and beaten to unconsciousness. My "witchy" ancestor escaped death but her "punishment" lasted for the rest of her life. Her name was Elizabeth Morse and she lived in what is now Newburyport. She was a midwife and folk healer and apparently she was an uppity woman, quick to complain when she was treated disrespectfully by young men in the community. The majority of those who testified against her were young men whom she had scolded. She wasn't connected with the Salem trials. She was accused three years before. Many of the books mention that she escaped execution after spening many months in jail. What they don't generally mention is that the condition of her release was that she remain under house arrest for the remainder of her life. She had to wear a ball and chain. The only time she could leave her house was to walk by the shortest route to the meeting house down and across the street, and she had to be accompanied by the minister the entire way and back. It's not clear but apparently she couldn't even go into her garden. Long after the Salem hysteria was over and people were rebuilding their lives, her sentence went on. I'm not sure why the people in her community hated her so that they insisted on this long punishment. I wonder why communities approved and encouraged beating those women publicly over and over, through a route of a dozen towns. It disgusts me. Francine Nicholson _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

The number of witches who died in prison varied dramatically. Some places would have almost none (because their panics didn't last long, or they were lucky). Others would have devastating diseases sweep through their jails. Sickness could increase the death toll up to 50% in some areas. To give some examples, in Essex (England) 74 witches were killed and 36 died in prison. In Salem 19 witches were executed and 2 died in jail. In Ireland 4 witches were executed and one died in jail. In Chelmsford, England, 17people were hanged and 4 died in prison. In Hungary 449 witches were sentenced to death and 23 either died in prison or were lynched. But as Francine pointed out, even if you survived your trial your life would never be the same. I remember a horrible testimony, from Sir George Mackenzie in England, about an old woman who confessed that she was a witch. Mackenzie said, "I went when I was a Justice-depute to examine some Women, who had confest judicially, and one of them, who was a silly creature, told me under secresie that she had not confest because she was guilty, but being a poor creature, who wrought [begged] for her meat, and being defam'd for a Witch, she knew she would starve, for no person thereafter would either give her meat or lodging, and that all men would beat her, and hound Dogs at her, therefore she desired to be out of the World. " Even if she was found innocent, she knew her life was ruined. And she chose to try to end her life, by confessing, rather than face that future. Jenny Gibbons

Dear Cousin Tom: As one of Susannah Martin's 9×great-granddaughters, I agree that Darlene worded her message very poorly, especially when you consider it was one of her ancestors who contributed to persecuting ours. I, too, was also a bit disturbed by how she expressed herself. I would like to give Darlene the benefit doubt by believing she had meant to say it was fun to research her ancestor's testimony as opposed to gloating over the suffering she brought to ours. Darlene: You may not be aware that the Martins never recovered from the government the property that was conficated and Susannah was only just officially vindicated by the State of Massachusetts last Halloween. I hope you'll take a little more care in how you phrase your intent in the future. Adrienne Foster CICS wrote: > > At 09:33 AM 8/17/02 -0600, you wrote: > >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:17:55 EDT > >From: Ddstevens@aol.com > >To: SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com > > > >I visited Salem last May and will be returning again in September. It is > >such a fun place to do family history and find information on ancestors. > > > >My ancestor Joseph Ring testified against Susannah Martin. It was fun to see > >his testimony and his name in the books...His testimony is recorded and fun to read. > > Darlene, > > Somehow the word "fun" doesn't come to my mind when I think about reading false testimony presented against my ancestor Susannah North Martin and the struggles > > You might consider using a word like "interesting" or "provocative" instead. I am happy your ancestors were either accusers or escapees, however, my ancestor w > > Tom > > Tom Towle - Computer and Internet Consulting Services > towle@sbcics.com - http://www.sbcics.com > (805) 969-4517 - P.O. Box 5448, Montecito, CA 93150 > Corporate Member - HTML Writers Guild

Thanks a lot. I've tried to imagine how this old woman and her family must have felt, the humiliation, the fact that she knew she was unjustly accused. The families inability to do anything for her loved ones.Of course, I think being hanged would be better than being burned at a stake. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N I C O L" <nicolgw@rochester.rr.com> To: "Karen" <karenj@kdsi.net> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Pictures at Salem > Karen, > Sure, I will gladly share them. I will post them to my site > www.griesmeier.org after our trip October 11-14. Be sure to visit and save > them to your own computer if you would like. I think that since I have my > site set up into a page for each surname that I will do one for Easty and > Towne too. Of course, I will send a note to the list with a link. > Warmest regards, > Cuzzin' Nicol > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen" <karenj@kdsi.net> > To: <SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:21 PM > Subject: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Pictures at Salem > > > > Being a descendant of Mary Easty, I would love to see pictures of Salem, > or anything concerning Mary and her family. Are you going to post them on a > web page? > > > > Thanks. > > > >

In a message dated 8/16/2002 10:49:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, karenj@kdsi.net writes: << Being a descendant of Mary Easty, I would love to see pictures of Salem, or anything concerning Mary and her family. Are you going to post them on a web page? >> SAME HERE. Bob 8th GGrandson--Rebecca Towne Nurse

At 09:33 AM 8/17/02 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:17:55 EDT >From: Ddstevens@aol.com >To: SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com > >I visited Salem last May and will be returning again in September. It is >such a fun place to do family history and find information on ancestors. > >My ancestor Joseph Ring testified against Susannah Martin. It was fun to see >his testimony and his name in the books...His testimony is recorded and fun to read. Darlene, Somehow the word "fun" doesn't come to my mind when I think about reading false testimony presented against my ancestor Susannah North Martin and the struggles her family members had to endure because of it centuries after her murder. You might consider using a word like "interesting" or "provocative" instead. I am happy your ancestors were either accusers or escapees, however, my ancestor was not as lucky and I struggle with forming "fun" associations, even 300 years later. Tom Tom Towle - Computer and Internet Consulting Services towle@sbcics.com - http://www.sbcics.com (805) 969-4517 - P.O. Box 5448, Montecito, CA 93150 Corporate Member - HTML Writers Guild