>Since I will be there during the holiday weekend, are there "Don't Miss" >sites or museums that I should definately include? I'm a bit confused. You wrote on Friday 10/11 and said "next weekend." The current weekend is being celebrated as the holiday in Mass. this year. At any rate, whenever you come to Essex County, the important thing is to pick some places ahead of time and call ahead to check when they are open. Most research libraries are open limited hours because of budget constraints, and you don't want to arrive on the day they're closed. A source that is often overlooked (even by the locals) is the special collections area of the Haverhill Public Library. There's decent parking right next to the building. The Special Collections is on the third floor (there's an elevator up as well as stairs). The collection of genealogical and local history materials is excellent, and you can find maps there, too (very helpful since the boundaires of Salisbury and Amesbury shifted constantly in that period. Keep in mind that at that time Newbury encompassed what is now Newburyport). Also, unlike many places, the Haverhill library is open at least part of most weekends. Call ahead to verify. While you have them on the line, ask for phone numbers for the Newbury and Newburyport H istorical Societies, another excellent soure, and the Newburyport Library, ditto. A point about geography: rte 495 connects most of the towns in northern Essex County and enables you to get quickly from one to the other. So while Haverhill may look farther from Newbury, Amesbury, and Salisbury than you'd like, it's actually just a matter of zipping up and down 495. The highway more or less parallels the Merrimack River from Lowell to the coast. And the river is what connected everyonein those parts back in the old days. Btw, a good place to eat with wonderful views of the harbor is Michael's Harborside in Newburyport. Or ask for suggestions at whatever library you're in. I beg the listowner's indulgence for mentioning this point, but even the most serious historian must stop to eat and rest one's mind, and it's such a disappointment to waste one's money on lousy food. And if you look out on the harbor, you get a very good idea of what the town must have been like and how easy it was, in some respects, to get to other places. The Haverhill Publicj Library web site is at: http://www.haverhillpl.org/ Francine Nicholson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

I am traveling to Amesbury, Salisbury and Newbury next weekend to research the Downer line. Most specifically, I am trying to optimize the short period of time that I will be there. One relative Robert Downer testified in the witch trials of Susannah Martin in Amesbury. Since I will be there during the holiday weekend, are there "Don't Miss" sites or museums that I should definately include? I know that Susannah was from Amesbury and Robert Downer was from Salisbury and there should be information there. Any information regarding this would be most helpful to me. Thanks Teresa Henslee-Downer

Teresa, In C.F. Jewett's 1878 "Standard History of Essex Co., Mass." which my company publishes on CD-ROM, the only mention of the surname "Downer" is this in the chapter on West Newbury: "But if Caleb Moody and his neighbors saw the beauty, and appreciated the wealth, of Pipe-stave Hill and its surroundings, no less have their descendants, the Moodys, Boyntons, Cokers, Downers, Newells, and Ridgeways, -- all justly priding themselves of the Caleb Moody blood in their veins, and holding to their ancestral acres with strong hands." However, the book includes an interesting chapter on the history of the Bay Colony and Essex Co. and a very long one about Salem that covers the witchcraft delusions. You can find out more and search the surname database at http://www.history-ebooks.com Cheers, Katherine Cochrane publisher On 10/11/02, Minnicruzer <minnicruzer@cfl.rr.com> wrote: >I am traveling to Amesbury, Salisbury and Newbury next weekend to research >the Downer line. Most specifically, I am trying to optimize the short >period of time that I will be there. One relative Robert Downer testified >in the witch trials of Susannah Martin in Amesbury. Since I will be there >during the holiday weekend, are there "Don't Miss" sites or museums that I >should definately include? I know that Susannah was from Amesbury and >Robert Downer was from Salisbury and there should be information there. Any >information regarding this would be most helpful to me. > >Thanks > >Teresa Henslee-Downer > > Katherine Watson Cochrane katherine@cd-info.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~kwc & http://www.history-ebooks.com

Hi, I am looking for information on my g.grandmother Rachel Hatfield . She was in prison during the 1692ish -1697 . During the witchhunts with several others. If someone has info. I would appreciate it.She was in essex, mass. I believe she was from Ipswich. Thanks Judy

--part1_181.f888581.2acdadee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <PRE>This was on the Carley list and thought someone on this list might know the answer? --part1_181.f888581.2acdadee_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <CARLEY-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-xh05.mail.aol.com (rly-xh05.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.234]) by air-xh01.mail.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXH13-1003080038; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:00:38 -0400 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.39]) by rly-xh05.mail.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXH510-1003080027; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:00:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g93C0NBF015779; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:00:23 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:00:23 -0600 Message-Id: <200210031200.g93C0NBF015779@lists2.rootsweb.com> From: CARLEY-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: CARLEY-D Digest V02 #48 X-Loop: CARLEY-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <CARLEY-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume02/48 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: CARLEY-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: CARLEY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain CARLEY-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 48 Today's Topics: #1 [CARLEY] Fw: William and Mary Bowd ["Ron Smith" <resmith83714@earthlin] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from CARLEY-D, send a message to CARLEY-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the list administrator, send mail to CARLEY-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:05:07 -0600 From: "Ron Smith" <resmith83714@earthlink.net> To: CARLEY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <10cf01c26a29$186a0580$6401a8c0@Ron2> Subject: [CARLEY] Fw: William and Mary Bowden Carley - Salem Witch Trials Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please reply to this message on the Carley Message Board by clicking on the link: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gdH.2ACEB/182.1 Thank you. Ron Smith Carley List Dad ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ajoseph928@aol.com> To: <CARLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: Re: William and Mary Bowden Carley - Salem Witch Trials > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gdH.2ACEB/182.1 > > Message Board Post: > > It is highly possible that Mary Bowden, b 1684 in Essex Co. MA, was the daughter of Michael and Sarah Nurse Bowdon. Sarah was the daughter of Francis and Rebecca Towne Nurse of Salem, MA and Rebecca was hanged in 1692 at the age of 71, accused of being a witch. Her death was so unjustly caused that the witch trials were halted as a result. > -------------------------------- --part1_181.f888581.2acdadee_boundary--

Scott, Go to Barnes and Nobel and enter witchcraft on the search machine. Charlie King 8th g grandson of George Jacobs of Salem www.angelfire.com/ny/georgejacobs/georgejacobs.html

The Boston Public Library has an extensive collection of genealogy books, and a great card catalogue index. If you call (617) 536-2321 and ask for the reference department, they will look up whether they have any of those "can't be found anywhere" books. You would be amazed at the number of genealogies written in the 19th century that they have! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Richard I did a little looking and found the following link between Peaslee and Whittier. I thought you may be interested in it as well Joseph Whittier (b May 1669) married Mary Peaslee (b. July 1662). They had a son Joseph Whittier (b. Mar 1717) who married Sarah Greenleaf. Their son is John Whittier (b Nov 1760) had a son John Greenleaf Whittier. Mary Peaslee was the daughter of Joseph Peaslee and Mary Martin and married Joseph Whittier on May 24, 1694. Mary is also John Peaslee's brother whom married Mary Martin in March of 1705. I haven't found all of what I said I have but will look a little harder once I get settled back in here at home. Also here's a link that may help you: http://www.headspider.com/genealogy/d0008/g0000758.htm#I3023 George Peaslee ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Burns To: George Peaslee Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Susannah Martin and John Greenleaf Whittier George: Thanks for responding so promptly. I have seen a Whittier-Susannah relationship mentioned in passing in at least two sources, but without any details. The closest I have personally come to the Peaslee line (as far as I know) is that Mary Martin (born in Amesbury 1680), granddaughter of Susannah and my first cousin 9 times removed, married John Peaslee (1679-1752) in Amesbury in 1705. I would be much obliged to know if your data shows any tie between Susannah and JG Whittier. I sometimes think that any two people who are both of Essex County must necessarily be related. That's a good suggestion, that I get in touch with the people who run the poet's birthplace. For now, I'll have to see if I can do that via the internet. Living in Los Angeles, I don't get to Haverhill that often these days. Richard George Peaslee wrote: I know there's a reference on a chart of my family tree that will show the tie between John Greenleaf Whittier and the Peaslee linage. When I get home next week I'll pull it out and followup with you. You may also want to contact the people that run John Greenleaf Whittier's birthplace. I met them two weeks ago and the guy is very knowledgeable of the history and gemology involved. George Peaslee ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Burns To: SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Susannah Martin and John Greenleaf Whittier I am writing a study of the relationship between Susannah Martin and the 1875 poem "The Witch's Daughter" by John Greenleaf Whittier. As you probably know, the description in the poem of Susannah's arrest, trial and execution is quite accurate; but the "daughter" of the title, "Mabel" Martin, is a heavily fictionalized lass who does not bear much resemblance either to any of Susannah's three real daughters or to her one stepdaughter. Whittier had an expert's knowledge of the 17th-century Puritan culture; but it's clear that in this poem he was writing a romance, not a history lesson. I have read in several places that Susannah was related to Whittier. I am trying to pin down the specific relationship, but have had no luck so far. I am related to both of them -- she's my 9th great grandmother and he's my 4th cousin 6 times removed -- but I can't link the two of them up to each other. I'd be grateful to anyone who can point me in a productive direction. Richard

Hi, I am a descendant of Ralph Farnum, and William Chandler. i am also a descendant of Francis Cooke. I live near Traverse City. Michigan. So there is not any decent genealogical library near by. So I imagine alot of you are my cousins. Thanks for all of the replies about books. Sincerely, Scott McKay

Scott, there's some information on the Dane family in 1) Carol F. Karlsen's _The Devil in the Shape of a Woman: Witchcraft in Colonial New England_ (Norton and Co., 1987) and 2) Richard Godbeer's _The Devil's Dominion: Magic and Religion in Early New England (Cambridge University Press, 1992). Karlson devotes three pages to the case of Abigail Faulkner, one of Hannah's step-children. Godbeer has a couple stray references to some of Rev. Dane's sermons. Many of Hannah (Chandler) Dane's relatives were accused at Salem. Step-daughter Abigail (Dane) Faulkner was accused, along with two of her daughters, her sister (I believe this was Elizabeth (Dane) Johnson), her sister-in-law (Deliverance Dane), two of her nieces (one was, I believe, Elizabeth Johnson's daughter) and a nephew. (The "her" in that sentence is Abigail Faulkner. This summary comes from Karlsen.) Abigail was convicted of witchcraft. Since she was pregnant, however, her execution was stayed -- long enough for the craze to pass, so she was not executed. There are some indications that her husband, Rev. Francis Dane, was suspected of witchcraft. He was never formally charged, though. Jenny

Hi Bev! So far I've only found two discussions of Lydia Gilbert. The first is in David Hall's book, which you have, which contains a paragraph on Lydia's biography and a brief excerpt from her trial. The second is an article in The American Genealogist, vol. 67 (1992) by Douglas Richardson: "The English Origins of Thomas(1) Gilbert of Braintree, Mass., and Wethersfield, Conn. With a Note on Lydia Gilbert, Executed for Witchcraft in 1654." Richardson cites another source I haven't been able to find: Donald Lines Jacobus' _The Gilbert Family: Descendants of Thomas Gilbert, 1582-1659_. I apologize if you've already read this, but I thought I'd summarize it for list-readers who may not have seen it. There's some uncertainty about how Lydia fits into the Gilbert family tree. She's called the wife of Thomas Gilbert of Windsor -- but there were two Thomas Gilberts she could have wed: Thomas Sr. (born circa 1589, died around Sept 5, 1659 in Wethersfield, CT) and his son Thomas Jr. (baptized Feb 16, 1611/1612 in Yardley, England, died June 5, 1662 in Springfield, MA). In the past Lydia has generally been identified as the wife of Thomas Sr, though the colonial records never mention Thomas Sr.'s wife's name. Richardson says that Jacobus' book contains a summary of the evidence for and against the theory that Lydia Gilbert was Thomas Sr.'s wife. Unfortunately, he doesn't summarize the summary, and I haven't found a copy of the original yet. Despite this, Richardson makes a strong case for identifying Lydia as the wife of Thomas Jr., not Sr. The evidence is this: 1) Richardson located the baptisms of Thomas Sr.'s children in the parish registers of Yardley, Worcester, England. The Yardley records show him marrying Elizabeth Bennett. There is no evidence of a second wife Lydia -- no marriage records, nor any indication that Elizabeth died in England. The only wife who appears in the Connecticut records is the unnamed Mrs. Gilbert who died about the same time that Thomas Sr. did (in 1659, five years after Lydia was executed). 2) It was probably Thomas Jr., not Sr., who lived in Windsor, CT. Several sources do say that Thomas Sr. lived there. However Richardson points out that when "Thomas Gilbert" bought his Windsor CT property (on 24 January, 1644/5) Thomas Sr. was still living in Braintree, MA. Thomas Sr. lived in Braintree as late as May of 1646, when his neighbors complained about him feeding his animals upon a certain "iland or upland". Thomas Jr. emigrated to America some time after 1641, so it's likely he, not his father, bought the Windsor property. 3) Henry Stiles, the man Lydia was accused of bewitching to death, was the former employer of Thomas Gilbert, Jr. All in all, a very nice, well-reasoned article. If you're interested in any part of the article not related to witchcraft (like the parentage of Thomas Gilbert Sr.) drop me a note off-list and I'll be happy to send it along! Jenny (jenny@panix.com)

Where do people find books on the witchcraft in the 17th century in Massachusetts.I am a member of the New England Historical Genealogical Society. they have a Circulating library, but not so many books on this subject. Scott.

On 10/1/02, Rothmckay@aol.com wrote: >Where do people find books on the witchcraft in the 17th century in >Massachusetts.I am a member of the New England Historical Genealogical >Society. they have a Circulating library, but not so many books on this >subject. >Scott. > Scott, my company has one book about 17th cent. Essex Co. Massachusetts available on CD-ROM. (Salem is in Essex County.) It's a scanned republication of a history book first published in 1878. Please see http://www.history-ebooks.com for details. Cheers, Katherine Katherine Cochrane katherine@cd-info.com http://www.cd-info.com http://www.history-ebooks.com http://www.epublishing-info.com

Hannah Chandler, daughter of William and Anis Chandler, her first Husuband was George Abbot, her second husband, the Reve. Mr. Dane, got involved in this witchcraft somehow, can anyone explain this to me. scott

Hello Jenny: You are correct, David Hall does mention this case (I have his book that you mention) & gives husband of Goody CHANDLER as William. My msg to Scot was taken from Demos' book & he did not mention the husband's name. Between you & I, I hope we have been of some help to Scot who was asking for the info. I am not connected to any of these people. My connection is to Lydia GILBERT + Thomas GILBERT accused/tried & convicted ca 1664 Conn. If you have any ref. to her - I woud l love to know. Bev

Hi Scott: Per John Putnam Demos' book "Entertaining Satan": During the last weeks of 1679 & into early 1680 Elizabeth MORSE, of Newbury, Mass., was accused of witchcraft. She was tried/sentenced to death & later reprieved in Boston. One of her accusers was an Esther WILSON who testified against her re the death of her mother, one Goodwife CHANDLER, who had d 14 yrs prior (ca 1665-66). There is no further mention as to *who* this CHANDLER was ie given name/husband et al but she apparently had a daughter name of Esther. Demos does show, in quotes, some of WILSON's deposition re affliction of her mother. Hope this helps to lead you *somewhere* in your search. Good luck. Bev

William Chandler was one of the accusers of Elizabeth Morse. His wife (I don't know her name) had been sick for a long while. Morse visited her a lot during her illness. Later Chandler and Morse had some "uncivil" words, and years after that Chandler suddenly accused Morse of bewitching his wife during her illness. Coming out of the blue, the accusation stunned Morse's husband, who responsed to it thus: "As for William Chandler's test[imony] about his wife's long sickness and my wife's visiting her, she through her weakness acted uncivilly and yet now to bring in against my wife when for so many years being in full communion with us never dealt with us about any such thing but had as loving converse with him as Christians ought and knew no otherwise till now." There's a little information on this in David B. Hall's _Witch Hunting in 17th Century New England_. William Chandler was one of my ancestors. If you connect to him, I'd be happy to exchange information! Sincerely, Jenny Gibbons (jenny@panix.com)

This is crude but here goes: John Greenleaf Whittier's father was Joseph Whittier (b. Nov 1760). Joseph Whittier's father was Joseph (b. Mar 1717) whom married Mary Peaslee, daughter of Joseph Peaslee (b. Sept 1646) and Ruth Barnard. Mary's brother John (b. Feb 1679) was married to Mary Martin in March of 1705. Mary Martin was the daughter of John Martin whom was the son of George and Susanna North Martin. I'm not really into geneology but my uncle was and he left me quite a bit of information on our family tree. There was a family bible that had most, if not all, of this documented but we haven't been able to locate it since his death about 5 years ago. All of this has been charted out on a huge drawing which I have. When I get back to Texas I'll get you a digital photo of the section that mentions John Greenleaf Whittier and the Witches Daughter. I think I may also have a story about his writing that but I'm not sure. If I have it I'll get that to you also. Good Luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Burns To: George Peaslee Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Susannah Martin and John Greenleaf Whittier George: Thanks for responding so promptly. I have seen a Whittier-Susannah relationship mentioned in passing in at least two sources, but without any details. The closest I have personally come to the Peaslee line (as far as I know) is that Mary Martin (born in Amesbury 1680), granddaughter of Susannah and my first cousin 9 times removed, married John Peaslee (1679-1752) in Amesbury in 1705. I would be much obliged to know if your data shows any tie between Susannah and JG Whittier. I sometimes think that any two people who are both of Essex County must necessarily be related. That's a good suggestion, that I get in touch with the people who run the poet's birthplace. For now, I'll have to see if I can do that via the internet. Living in Los Angeles, I don't get to Haverhill that often these days. Richard George Peaslee wrote: I know there's a reference on a chart of my family tree that will show the tie between John Greenleaf Whittier and the Peaslee linage. When I get home next week I'll pull it out and followup with you. You may also want to contact the people that run John Greenleaf Whittier's birthplace. I met them two weeks ago and the guy is very knowledgeable of the history and gemology involved. George Peaslee ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Burns To: SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Susannah Martin and John Greenleaf Whittier I am writing a study of the relationship between Susannah Martin and the 1875 poem "The Witch's Daughter" by John Greenleaf Whittier. As you probably know, the description in the poem of Susannah's arrest, trial and execution is quite accurate; but the "daughter" of the title, "Mabel" Martin, is a heavily fictionalized lass who does not bear much resemblance either to any of Susannah's three real daughters or to her one stepdaughter. Whittier had an expert's knowledge of the 17th-century Puritan culture; but it's clear that in this poem he was writing a romance, not a history lesson. I have read in several places that Susannah was related to Whittier. I am trying to pin down the specific relationship, but have had no luck so far. I am related to both of them -- she's my 9th great grandmother and he's my 4th cousin 6 times removed -- but I can't link the two of them up to each other. I'd be grateful to anyone who can point me in a productive direction. Richard

Hi, I am a descendant of Thomas Putnam and Ann Carr.I was told my Chandler relatives were also accusers of Witches. They lived in Andover. Does anybody know anything about this? Sincerely, Scott

Hi Richard, Some of us including Joyce Pendry in NEHGR July 2000 believe the poem refers to the marriage of Hannah Martin, Susannah's step-daughter who m. Ezekial Worthen, a Quaker, as his is very close to the name given to *Mabel's* husband in the poem. You may be correct that Susannah and Whittier were not related, at least as far as I know, although I certainly haven't charted all of Whittier's ancestors. However, I believe one of his ancestors was Judith Worthen, (daughter of Hannah Martin Worthen), m.. Abraham Page. At least two of Susannah's offspring besides Hannah into Quaker families. If I were looking for a connection between Greenleaf Whittier and Susannah I would examine these lines. Whittier's gggrandmother was Mary Peasley m. Joseph Whittier. One of Susannah's grandaughters married into the Peasley family--Mary Martin m. John Peaslee. However, I haven't charted to see if there is a direct relationship. Personally, I think the poem is meant to refer (loosely) to a amalgam of Hannah Martin Worthen and Mary Martin Peaslee. Mary's marriage was closer to the date of Susannah's execution than Hannah's. Leslie Hope -----Original Message----- From: Richard Burns [mailto:rnburns@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:38 PM To: SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Susannah Martin and John Greenleaf Whittier I am writing a study of the relationship between Susannah Martin and the 1875 poem "The Witch's Daughter" by John Greenleaf Whittier. As you probably know, the description in the poem of Susannah's arrest, trial and execution is quite accurate; but the "daughter" of the title, "Mabel" Martin, is a heavily fictionalized lass who does not bear much resemblance either to any of Susannah's three real daughters or to her one stepdaughter. Whittier had an expert's knowledge of the 17th-century Puritan culture; but it's clear that in this poem he was writing a romance, not a history lesson. I have read in several places that Susannah was related to Whittier. I am trying to pin down the specific relationship, but have had no luck so far. I am related to both of them -- she's my 9th great grandmother and he's my 4th cousin 6 times removed -- but I can't link the two of them up to each other. I'd be grateful to anyone who can point me in a productive direction. Richard