On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 02:13 AM, davisk wrote: > Are you serious? Kirstie Alley as a 13 yo? Rebecca DeMornay as a > teenager? Kirstie Alley as the wife of Thomas Putnam, and Rebecca De Mornay as the wife of Rev. Samuel Parris. -- the real women whose characters the women play were adults at the time of these events. > This does not bode well for historical accuracy, does it? Well, no... From the stuff I read at the CBS website, there's something about things being sparked when Thomas Putnam's wife had lost a third pregnancy and a barn had burned down.... And yes, there's the requisite scene with the assorted teenagers gathered around an (I could be wrong on this) African-American actress playing Tituba, doing something which frightens the younger girls... Then the kicker is that Ann Putnam, Sr. apparently sees the error of her ways... > PS: I don't suppose anyone on this list has heard whether anyone > knowledgeable about the Salem events might be serving a consulting > role on this? At the same website, the writer -- Maria Nation -- said she consulted work by John Demos, Boyer & Nissenbaum, Bryan LeBeau, read "letters to the court, petitions, depositions and resolutions" and Parris' sermon notebooks, and consulted with Larry Gragg and Frances Hill. Of course, this doesn't mean anything: I believe either Boyer or Nissenbaum was "consulted" for "Three Sovereigns for Sarah," and the writer(s) still took major liberties. It's sometimes using their names for authority's sake, but it often doesn't mean anything. Sometimes it's the names of the scholars they *fail* to mention that I find interesting. Nation apparently uses a backdrop to her story of all the common themes: "Religious mores, a shame-based culture, gender politics, a harsh physical geography, disease outbreaks and Indian attacks all contributed to the culture of fear within this society." Nation is quoted as saying, "Why the 'afflicted' girls did what they did is one of the most compelling mysteries... if viewers end up debating why the girls did what they did, then I think I will have done my job." Again? To me, the most compelling mystery is why they were believed by the authorities, who then took matters to such an extreme. I can excuse young people's behavior, but have a much harder time with the adults. But the main roles they've cast in this production are the adults, so we shall see... > I'm so hesitant to have my daughter watch yet more drivel posing as > history. I've already heard from my household that no one wants to be around when I watch this thing because they know I will get annoyed! LOL! And, yes, it must be a major night for ratings on TV: in the same Sunday time slot, HBO is starting its third season of "Six Feet Under" and Showtime a new season of "Queer as Folk." --Margo

Yikes, my mistake. That'll teach me to reread once more before donning the cap of indignance. -----Original Message----- From: Merryann Palmer <themapalmer@earthlink.net> To: SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com <SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:17 AM Subject: RE: [SALEM-WITCH-L] "Salem Witch Trials" on CBS, 3/2 & 3/4 >Kirstie Alley is playing Ann Putnam Sr., not Jr. There is a big difference. >

Kirstie Alley is playing Ann Putnam Sr., not Jr. There is a big difference. Merryann Palmer themapalmer@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Margo Burns [mailto:margo@ogram.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:29 PM To: SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SALEM-WITCH-L] "Salem Witch Trials" on CBS, 3/2 & 3/4 Hello all! I just saw an ad on CBS for a upcoming four-hour mini-series called "Salem Witch Trials" (http://www.cbs.com/specials/salem_witch_trials/) with Kirstie Alley as Ann Putnam, Sr., Shirley MacLane as Rebecca Nurse, Gloria Reuben as Tituba Indian, Henry Czerny as Samuel Parris, Rebecca De Mornay as Elizabeth Parris, Sir Alan Bates as Gov. William Phips, Jay O. Sanders as Thomas Putnam, and Peter Ustinov as William Stoughton. Sunday 3/2 and Tuesday 3/4, 9-11pm. --Margo

Are you serious? Kirstie Alley as a 13 yo? Rebecca DeMornay as a teenager? Will Abigail Hobbs' role be foregone for the sake of dramatic economy? I know that Hollywood (or NY, in TV's case) has their own brand of fx magic, but geez. This does not bode well for historical accuracy, does it? Or might this be a "Where are they now?" angle? (j/k) I guess one could take the 'any publicity is good' kind of viewpoint on this, but if there has ever been an event which has spawned an overabundance of overwrought dramatization at the expense of thoughtful enquiry, wouldn't this be it? Must be sweeps season. Crossing my fingers and hoping for the best, Kurian PS: I don't suppose anyone on this list has heard whether anyone knowledgeable about the Salem events might be serving a consulting role on this? I'm so hesitant to have my daughter watch yet more drivel posing as history. -----Original Message----- From: LSHOLLINGSWORTH@aol.com <LSHOLLINGSWORTH@aol.com> To: SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com <SALEM-WITCH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [SALEM-WITCH-L] "Salem Witch Trials" on CBS, 3/2 & 3/4 >Margo, > >I saw the same thing too here. We are on central time so it will start at >8PM > >Looked exciting! > > >Linda >

Margo, I saw the same thing too here. We are on central time so it will start at 8PM Looked exciting! Linda

Hello all! I just saw an ad on CBS for a upcoming four-hour mini-series called "Salem Witch Trials" (http://www.cbs.com/specials/salem_witch_trials/) with Kirstie Alley as Ann Putnam, Sr., Shirley MacLane as Rebecca Nurse, Gloria Reuben as Tituba Indian, Henry Czerny as Samuel Parris, Rebecca De Mornay as Elizabeth Parris, Sir Alan Bates as Gov. William Phips, Jay O. Sanders as Thomas Putnam, and Peter Ustinov as William Stoughton. Sunday 3/2 and Tuesday 3/4, 9-11pm. --Margo

<A HREF="http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:Az6lDqyofi0C:etext.lib.virginia.edu/salem/witchcraft/maps/andomapfinal1.html+william+phelps+%26+hannah+holt&hl=en&ie=UTF-8">Click here: Index to Andover Map of 1692</A> Just happened across this today. Happy New Year all. Gung Hay Fat Choy! Jacqueline Sleeper Russell

The Records of the Rev. Samuel Parris, Salem Village, Massachusetts, 1688-1696,are in the New England Historical and Genealogical register for January 2003.Pages 6-29. aye, Scott

On 1/27/03, Rothmckay@aol.com wrote: >The Records of the Rev. Samuel Parris, Salem Village, Massachusetts, >1688-1696,are in the New England Historical and Genealogical register for >January 2003.Pages 6-29. >aye, Scott > Interesting you should bring that up just now! I was thinking about sending a message to the group only last night regarding the trial of the Rev. Parris. My 7G grandfather, Dea. Joseph Boynton of Rowley, MA, was one of the signatories of a unanimous petition from the council of church elders for his aquittal of charges of witchcraft in Salem Village, dated 3 Apr 1695. This is according to Danvers Church Records as quoted in the NEHGS Register vol. 11, 1857. I was curious about particulars of this trial and the effect (if any) of the petition on its outcome. Regards, Katherine Katherine Watson Cochrane katherine@cd-info.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~kwc & http://www.history-ebooks.com

Hi Everyone, I'm new to the list and was surprised to learn about the involvement of the Goodale family with Gile's Corey. Robert Goodale and his first wife Catherine/Kathrine (I've seen it spelled both ways) were my paternal, 8th g. grandparents. My direct line comes down through Jacob's and Zachariah's brother Isaac, who m. Patience Cook. I never had heard the story until I read all this, but I'd often wondered if the Salem Witch Trials had touched their lives in any way. My 9th g. grandmother Margaret Scott was tried and executed as a witch during the trials and a few of my other ancestors were accused, tried, but escaped being put to death. (John Alden Jr, Mary Bradbury, Esther Elwell, and Sarah Pease.) I'm trying to learn everything I can about the people that were involved so this is very interesting to me. Does anyone know, where Robert Goodale and his family are buried? Is it in Salem or in Danvers as we know it today? I'm planning another trip to Ma, sometime during the summer months, I live in Maine. Also, I'd love to hear from anyone who is related to any of the people I've mentioned. Thanks so much, Bea Irene Del Bono wrote: > I tried to send this response to the discussion on Giles Cory's murder of > Jacob Goodale and finally figured out why my message was being returned (it > kept going through in HTML). I got this from the Salem-witch archives: > > From: <KSmith5532@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [SALEM-WITCH-L] re: Jacob Goodale > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:41:20 EDT > > Dawn and Marc > > Sorry for my earlier confusion. I found an account of the incident that > Dawn spoke of in the book, _The Devil Discovered: Salem Witchcraft 1692_ by > Enders A. Robinson. Here is what it says: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Martha Corey, previously arrested and examined was the third wife of Giles > Corey. In 1692, Giles Corey was 80 years old. Civil and criminal charges > had followed him most of his life. In 1660 Corey had bought fifty acres > from Robert Goodale, who owned over 500 acres in Salem Village. 1n 1675, > one of Robert Goodale's sons, Jacob Goodale, age 33, was living and working > on Corey's farm. Corey was extremely strong, and in a fit of temper > "unreasonably beat Jacob with a stick of about one inch diameter nearly 100 > blows in the presence of Elisha Kebee, who told Corey that he would knock > him down if he did not forbear." About ten days later, Corey went to the > house of Jacob's brother Zachariah Goodale and told him that Jacob had taken > a fall. Corey said that he was afraid that Jacob had broken his arm, and > desired him to take Jacob to Mrs. Mole's in town. Zachariah went to Corey's > house and found Jacob confused, pale, stooping, and unable to walk properly. > > Zachariah asked Corey if Jacob had any other injury besides to his arm, but > Corey would not answer. Corey, a stubborn man, refused to help. Instead > his second wife, Mary, helped Zachariah take Jacob to town, where Jacob died > a few days later. An inquest was held. The coroner's jury, headed by Dr. > Zerubabel Endicott, son of the late governor, said, "The man had been > bruised to death, having great bruises with the skin broken, and having > clodders of blood about his heart." Corey was brought before the court and > fined, "upon suspicion of having abused the body of Jacob Goodale." > > Legend has it that the ghost of Jacob Goodale appeared from time to time, > crying out about his foul murder. > > Look! Look! It is the ghost of Jacob Goodale > Whom fifteen years ago this man did murder, > By stomping on his body! In his shroud > He comes here to bear witness to this crime. > (Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, "New England Tragedies.") > > Jacob Goodale's mother, Katherine, had died in 1645, when he was only three. > Two years later, in 1647, Jacob's father, Robert Goodale, married Margaret > Lazenby who, as Jacob's stepmother, raised the little boy with loving care. > On March 21, 1692, seventeen years after Jacob's death at the hands of > Corey, Margaret Goodale, characterized by the Rev. Lawson in his popular > book as "an ancient woman, named Goodale," appeared among the afflicted at > the examination of Corey's third wife, Martha. > > Now, on April 18, 1692, on the complaint of Ezekiel Cheever and Sergeant > Thomas Putnam, Giles Corey himself was in custody and under examination. > Jacob's brother Zachariah Goodale, some years earlier, had placed his son, > Joseph Goodale under the guardianship of his good friend Ezekiel Cheever. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

I tried to send this response to the discussion on Giles Cory's murder of Jacob Goodale and finally figured out why my message was being returned (it kept going through in HTML). I got this from the Salem-witch archives: From: <KSmith5532@aol.com> Subject: Re: [SALEM-WITCH-L] re: Jacob Goodale Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:41:20 EDT Dawn and Marc Sorry for my earlier confusion. I found an account of the incident that Dawn spoke of in the book, _The Devil Discovered: Salem Witchcraft 1692_ by Enders A. Robinson. Here is what it says: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Martha Corey, previously arrested and examined was the third wife of Giles Corey. In 1692, Giles Corey was 80 years old. Civil and criminal charges had followed him most of his life. In 1660 Corey had bought fifty acres from Robert Goodale, who owned over 500 acres in Salem Village. 1n 1675, one of Robert Goodale's sons, Jacob Goodale, age 33, was living and working on Corey's farm. Corey was extremely strong, and in a fit of temper "unreasonably beat Jacob with a stick of about one inch diameter nearly 100 blows in the presence of Elisha Kebee, who told Corey that he would knock him down if he did not forbear." About ten days later, Corey went to the house of Jacob's brother Zachariah Goodale and told him that Jacob had taken a fall. Corey said that he was afraid that Jacob had broken his arm, and desired him to take Jacob to Mrs. Mole's in town. Zachariah went to Corey's house and found Jacob confused, pale, stooping, and unable to walk properly. Zachariah asked Corey if Jacob had any other injury besides to his arm, but Corey would not answer. Corey, a stubborn man, refused to help. Instead his second wife, Mary, helped Zachariah take Jacob to town, where Jacob died a few days later. An inquest was held. The coroner's jury, headed by Dr. Zerubabel Endicott, son of the late governor, said, "The man had been bruised to death, having great bruises with the skin broken, and having clodders of blood about his heart." Corey was brought before the court and fined, "upon suspicion of having abused the body of Jacob Goodale." Legend has it that the ghost of Jacob Goodale appeared from time to time, crying out about his foul murder. Look! Look! It is the ghost of Jacob Goodale Whom fifteen years ago this man did murder, By stomping on his body! In his shroud He comes here to bear witness to this crime. (Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, "New England Tragedies.") Jacob Goodale's mother, Katherine, had died in 1645, when he was only three. Two years later, in 1647, Jacob's father, Robert Goodale, married Margaret Lazenby who, as Jacob's stepmother, raised the little boy with loving care. On March 21, 1692, seventeen years after Jacob's death at the hands of Corey, Margaret Goodale, characterized by the Rev. Lawson in his popular book as "an ancient woman, named Goodale," appeared among the afflicted at the examination of Corey's third wife, Martha. Now, on April 18, 1692, on the complaint of Ezekiel Cheever and Sergeant Thomas Putnam, Giles Corey himself was in custody and under examination. Jacob's brother Zachariah Goodale, some years earlier, had placed his son, Joseph Goodale under the guardianship of his good friend Ezekiel Cheever. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

A copy of the original deposition, along with some pamphlets from the witchcraft era, can be found at: www.nd.edu/~dharley/witchcraft/biblio/primary-biblios.html _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hi all! I have a question for you all! In "Entertaining Satan" (p. 20), John Demos claims that a deposition by Thomas Knowlton vs. Rachel Clinton was a witchcraft accusation that predated the events in 1692. Does anyone have any VR, probably for Ipswich, which could give me more info on this Thomas Knowlton? I have reason to believe that Demos mistranscribed Knowlton's age, and if so, the document may indeed be from the trials in 1692. Any help anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Margo Margo Burns, List Owner of the Salem-Witch List at rootsweb.com margo@ogram.org

David Creelman suggested a website (see below) for Putnam articles. I looked at this site and see that it is all about the ancestors John Putnam, before Salem, back in England. This is nice to have, so I shall keep a note for future reference. However, it really, really really predates Salem. Someone earlier had ventured that the book "Salem Possessed," by Boyer and Nissenbaum, is out of print. Well, a new bookstore opened for business here recently, Barnes and Noble, and there, right off the shelf, was "Salem Possessed." It's back in print again, paperback, "twenty-fourth printing," and I am now $17.50 poorer. Lester Powers On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:22:04 -0500 "David Creelman" <davidcr@sympatico.ca> writes: > Hi Lester > Here is a collection of some of the best Putnam articles online. One > hundred > years of Putnam articles from 'The American Genealogist', 'New > England > Historic Genealogical Register', etc. > http://www.geocities.com/randputnam/articles.htm ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Hi Lester Here is a collection of some of the best Putnam articles online. One hundred years of Putnam articles from 'The American Genealogist', 'New England Historic Genealogical Register', etc. http://www.geocities.com/randputnam/articles.htm If you haven't seen them, they come with my highest recommendation(That's 5 Daves). My personal list appropriate connection is to the couple Caleb Putnam(great great grandson of John Putnam and Priscilla Gould who settled early in Salem) and Elizabeth Nurse(great granddaughter of Rebecca Nurse). David Creelman Toronto > I just discovered that my local family history center > has a CD-ROM of the NEHGS from 1847 through 1994. The set > has an index, so I should be able to find my way around > unaided. But, I thought I'd ask if there are any especially > outstanding articles about the Putnams that I ought to > read first, or that I might somehow miss in the index, > especially about Putnams leaving Salem, and particularly > especially about some of them leaving Massachusetts, and why. > > Lester Powers >

I just discovered that my local family history center has a CD-ROM of the NEHGS from 1847 through 1994. The set has an index, so I should be able to find my way around unaided. But, I thought I'd ask if there are any especially outstanding articles about the Putnams that I ought to read first, or that I might somehow miss in the index, especially about Putnams leaving Salem, and particularly especially about some of them leaving Massachusetts, and why. Lester Powers ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

Hi, this is coming to NEHGS soon. When it comes out, I will let you know. Is Parris Island named after Samuel? Scott Coming Soon in the January 2003 Register In the lead article, Marilynne Roach has transcribed and annotated "Records of the Rev. Samuel Parris, Salem Village, 1688–1696." Because of his role in the Salem witchcraft trials in 1692, one would expect these records to have appeared in print long ago. They were used in preparing the printed vital records of Salem, but the results were not always correct because Parris' manuscript was hard to read. Interestingly, Parris doesn't mention those put to death in 1692.

>From Lester Powers: >I like to skip around and read snippets here and there at first, to get a >feel for the literary territory, kinda like casing the joint. That's fine as far as it goes. I even do that myself. But, as a rule and especially when I'm new to a topic, I have found it's more effective to read the whole of a book before criticizing part of it. Sometimes one's criticisms turn out to be answered in the chapters that were skipped. Also, I sometimes find that I bring preconceptions to a subject, and that before I can appreciate what the author is saying in later chapters, I need to understand the foundation built in the earlier ones. Francine Nicholson _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

--- Lester M Powers <lesterps@juno.com> wrote: > The alleged lineage I am looking at is Enos > Putnam, son of Joshua, son of Ebenezer, son of > Holyoke, son of Edward, son of Edward, son of Thomas > of Salem witch trial repute (m. Ann Holyoke), son of > John. Lester, This has probably already been pointed out to you, but...the Thomas Putnam (son of John the immigrant) who married (1) Ann Holyoke was not precisely the Thomas "of Salem witch trial repute." This Thomas was dead by the time the witch hysteria began. It was his sons, Thomas (by 1st wife Ann Holyoke) and Joseph (by 2nd wife Mary (-?-) Veren) who figured so prominently in the witch trials. The wife of Thomas (the son), one Ann (Carr) Putnam and their daughter, Ann, also played significant roles in the accusations and trials. > I refuse to accept net lineages like the one I > found, but I also hate reinventing wheels, thus my > investment in the Eben Putnam book. If anyone is > familiar with Eben, I would like to know if his work > seems reasonably solid Even the best of these published family histories contain errors. One rather well-regarded published family history I consulted long ago contained information down to my maternal Great'grandparents but then stated the couple died without children. This statement proved to be of great interest to my late grandmother and was a joke in my family for many years! I would trust Eben Putnam only so far as a starting place for further research. My Putnam lineage comes down like this.... John Putnam & Priscilla Gould Nathaniel Putnam & Elizabeth Hutchinson Benjamin Putnam & Sarah Tarrant? Benjamin Putnam & Bethiah Hutchinson Eunice Putnam & Francis Nurse Benjamin Nourse & Ruth Tarbell Francis Nourse & Annis Aiken John A. Nourse & Temperance A. Edgerly John H. Nourse & Annette G. Batchelder Sarah E. Nourse & Samuel W. Butterworth Eva S. Butterworth & Benjamin Watson (My Grandparents) Good luck with your research! Eleanor W. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

From what I've heard so far, the Eben Putnam book is respectable -- in other words, deserving of at least some degree of faith in the truth of what it offers. (I'll know better if I should have warm fuzzy feelings about the book when the LDS film of it gets here.) Also, I have a friend with access to the Hertitage Quest net site where Eben's book is on-line (for a fee). My friend says that Eben covers everyone in the line I am interested in down to the birth of Enos Putnam, who is the one who was the husband of the sister of the wife of the brother of my great-great grandfather Powers. I must confess to a double standard for the genealogy part of things. For my own direct Powers line, I am hard nosed about having copies original documents and am a stickler for proof. But for in-laws of in-laws, like the Putnams, I tend to dislike reinventing the wheel and favor adopting the work of authorities (hopefully like Eben Putnam) if they have a good reputation and if I like the look of their work. Meanwhile, about the witch trials, I am entering my typical confusion-and-annoyance phase. I like to skip around and read snippets here and there at first, to get a feel for the literary territory, kinda like casing the joint. I have read chapters 5 and 6 of "Salem Possessed" by Boyer and Nissenbaum because that part was obviously devoted to the Putnams. I liked the nice, concentrated explanation of the overall Putnam situation at Salem Village. That is most convenient. I was very annoyed by the psychology angle, for example about the Putnams supposedly taking out their frustrations, consciosly or unconsciously, with their stepmother and stepbrother on surrogates by arranging to have them (the surrogates) hanged as witches. That was yesterday, and I still feel a bit steamed. More recently, at the library, I tried to read, I think it was chapters 2 and 9 of "Salem Story" by Rosenthal. The reading area at the library turned into a phone booth, alive with cell phones. More bad mood. I decided that it would have been better if the ancestors of cell phone users should have been hanged before they could have any children, that using all that good rope on alleged witches was thus wasteful. Anyway, in between other people's phone calls, I gather that Rosenthal was making an argument that the whole witch trials story was just one big more or less deliberate fraud. Somehow, I found his arguments for, oh, let's say very bad manners on the part of The Authorities much more convincing than that for The Girls. Rosenthal presented a few modern analogies, as I recall. Too bad he wasn't aware of our infamous McMartin Preschool Trial here in southern California. The McMartin trial would have made a fantastic analogy, as it was all about, roughly speaking, satanism and devil worship. That may have been some time around the 1970s. Very, very, very roughly speaking, McMartin was about adults suggesting to children that their preschool was a den of satanism and satanic cult worship, complete with all the trimmings. The children, in turn, called the cops and turned in their preschool teachers to the law. It was an amazing case, and I remember listening to summaries of the day's proceeding on the radio. I think that was a precursor to, I think, later flaps about actually-implanted "recovered memories" in children used later for other preposterous trials. Anyway, while perhaps Rosenthal might have had a real joyride with McMartin, McMartin still represents unlike people in extremely unlike centuries (Los Angeles 1970s being unlike Salem 1690s, that is).. That's the part that bothered me about what I read of Rosenthal. Too little appreciation for the fact that the Puritans really, really, really did believe in witchcraft. Rosenthal seems to relegate such beliefs to the fringe of that society, leaving the way clear for seeing fraud in the trials, and I have trouble with that. Lester Powers ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com