Donna, I believe the following film is permanently housed at the Los Angeles LDS Family History Center (FHC). Film number: 877465 Item 1, Court Records 1648-1681, Massachusetts. County Court (Norfolk County): Microfilm of original records in the Essex County Courthouse, Salem, Massachusetts. Court records, v. 1-2, 1648-1681, have special title: Records of the County Court of the County of Norfolk, Salisbury and Hampton Court. Old Norfolk County (1643-1680) contained the towns of Haverhill, Salisbury, Hampton, Exeter, Dover and Portsmouth. Haverhill and Salisbury became part of Essex County in 1680. The other towns became part of New Hampshire. Item 2, Witchcraft papers 1655-1750, Massachusetts. Court of Assistants: Microfilm of original records in the Essex County courthouse, Salem, Massachusetts. Contains cases of persons accused of witchcraft. Contains also records of the Court of Assistants, 1673-1692, and the Superior Court of Judicature, 1692-1695. Item 3, Court records 1638-1692, Massachusetts. County Court (Essex County): Microfilm of original records in the Essex County courthouse, Salem, Massachusetts. Additional indexes are found at the beginning of some volumes. Item 4, Massachusetts. County Court (Essex County): Records of births, marriages, and deaths, 1636-1795. Microfilm of original records in the Essex County Courthouse, Salem, Massachusetts. Births, marriages, and deaths were recorded by the County Court until 1692, and by the Court of General Sessions of the Peace thereafter. Indexes are included at the beginning of some volumes Items 5-6, Court records 1686-1726, Massachusetts. Inferior Court of Common Pleas (Essex County): Microfilm of original records in the Essex County Courthouse, Salem, Massachusetts Hope this helps, Kathy Smith Ventura, CA Descended from Susanna Martin, Mary Bradbury, and John Proctor In a message dated 06/30/99 7:05:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Would someone please let me know what records regarding the Salem Witch Trials would be available at the LDS library? I will be heading out to our LA branch and would like to have some definite information to look up as time is of a premium the day I go. Thanks very much. Donna Naismith >>

Would someone please let me know what records regarding the Salem Witch Trials would be available at the LDS library? I will be heading out to our LA branch and would like to have some definite information to look up as time is of a premium the day I go. Thanks very much. Donna Naismith

Dear Listers, I have a question to throw out to the group regarding what may or may not have been a "common custom" during the 1670s. Q: Was it a common occurance -- or was it a custom of the times, 1670s -- for elderly land owners who were weak/ill to "give" their land and house to unrelated persons such as neighbors in exchange for care for themselves and their spouse? Using Salem deeds, I have researched the history of a particular piece of ppty in Salem which was seized and taken from my ancestor in 1692 when she was arrested for witchcraft. In deeds I found out where this land came from ... in 1672 an agreement was made between the elderly owner of the ppty (over 70) and his young neighbor (29). The neighbor had been in Salem only 6 years, arriving about the age of 23. In 1668, the old man had sold a small town lot to the young man who was a blacksmith. Four years later, October1672, an agreement between the two was filed in deeds, viz. if the young neighbor cared for the ill and weak old man and his wife until their deaths, the young neighbor would get the ppty. Apparently the old man did not live more than a few months. I don't know what happened to his wife. Have found no mention of her after the agreement. But 6 months later, per April 1673 court, the young neighbor was listed as "successor" to the old man who was referred to in court as being "late deceased". No mention in court records of his elderly wife. Should we assume "dead" since she was not listed as a "successor"? A relationship? I have not found any relationship between the old man nor his wife and the young neighbor, and none is mentioned in the agreement, i.e. no "for love" as seen in other arrangements of this kind. It seemed to be a straight forward business deal. However, it is possible that the young neighbor's wife was a relative of the elderly couple, but I have found nothing so far to link her to them. The young neighbor's wife didn't live much longer either. She died 4 years later in 1676. So, that's why I ask: Was it customary for elderly people without relatives around to help them to prepare an agreement with a neighbor or non-relative to have them agree to care for them until death in exchange for their land and house? I need to mention that this elderly couple were not destitute. They had money to live on until death. They could have hired someone to care for them in their own home and to care for their land. In fact, a month before the agreement, they had sold 10 acres for 10 pounds sterling. So, why the agreement? Anybody have any ideas or suggestions? Discussion, please. This agreement may have a bearing on why 20 years later my ancestor was accused of witchcraft, the ppty was seized by Sheriff Corwin, she was hung, and one of the judges (Sheriff Corwin's father in law) ended up with it. -- Helen Greenslit Graves

After years of researching, I just found out that Rebecca Nurse is my great grandmother times 7. I am excited and want to share. Our ancestry comes down through the Porter line. Jodie Goebel

--part1_167d05d3.24ac19a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_167d05d3.24ac19a8_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v59.54) with SMTP; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:01:35 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:01:20 -0400 Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04102; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:57:41 EDT Subject: Re: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Drake etc. Old-To: [email protected] Old-CC: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/615 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Helen, As you probably know, the Salem Witchcraft Papers are out of print, but until the Cambridge edition comes out there is always the very valuable online and searchable Salem Witchcraft Papers. And if you really want hard copy, you can print off it. Go to Yahoo and type in Salem Witchcraft. That will bring you to the Danvers archival site and the link to the Salem Witchcraft Papers. It is all there. If you have problems accessing it or using it let me know, and if I can't help, I'm sure Ben Ray can--he's the one who set it up. It is reasonable enough for you to have assumed that Boyer and Nissenbaum would have gone to the original documents and checked the transcriptions, but that is a very large project and they might not have brought the WPA papers into print if they had felt compelled to check the transcriptions. The only criticism I have of them is that they didn't make as clear as I would have liked to have seen that the task was simply beyond the scope of what they were doing. But they did perform a valuable service by bringing that typescript into print. Regarding your home library, I share your skepticism about the frequent explanation of women being caught up in the episode because of their medical work. It is a theory that does not really hold up under careful scrutiny when applied to Salem. Perhaps it is useful in some other contexts. My own analysis of the episode appears in Salem Story:Reading the Witch Trials of 1692 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1993). It is in paperback and has most recently been reprinted in 1998. Pages 171-173 have some commentary on Ann Pudeator that might interest you. It is hard to be objective about one's own work, but if you like studies that empasize information over theory, you might like this one. As with all books, it has its errors. The most interesting one to me is that I developed an early interpretation of Tituba's treatment by the judicial system that I subsequently discovered to be wrong. The problem originated in that Boyer and Nissenbaum incorrectly had her appearance in court in May 1692. Subsequently, I discovered from the manuscript that this was a mistranscription and the date was 1693. I pointed out my error--and that of B and N--in an essay entitled Tituba's Story that appeared last June in The New England Quarterly. I mention this error, because it highlights the importance of accuracy in textual transcription. One number mistranscribed dramatically alters an historical interpretation. By the way, in my other message I forgot to mantion that Mary Beth Norton is a descendant of Mary Bradbury. I suspect I am one of the few--perhaps the only--members of this list who has no family history connection with the trials. My interest in the subject, though, remains deep. Best wishes, Bernie --part1_167d05d3.24ac19a8_boundary--

Helen, As you probably know, the Salem Witchcraft Papers are out of print, but until the Cambridge edition comes out there is always the very valuable online and searchable Salem Witchcraft Papers. And if you really want hard copy, you can print off it. Go to Yahoo and type in Salem Witchcraft. That will bring you to the Danvers archival site and the link to the Salem Witchcraft Papers. It is all there. If you have problems accessing it or using it let me know, and if I can't help, I'm sure Ben Ray can--he's the one who set it up. It is reasonable enough for you to have assumed that Boyer and Nissenbaum would have gone to the original documents and checked the transcriptions, but that is a very large project and they might not have brought the WPA papers into print if they had felt compelled to check the transcriptions. The only criticism I have of them is that they didn't make as clear as I would have liked to have seen that the task was simply beyond the scope of what they were doing. But they did perform a valuable service by bringing that typescript into print. Regarding your home library, I share your skepticism about the frequent explanation of women being caught up in the episode because of their medical work. It is a theory that does not really hold up under careful scrutiny when applied to Salem. Perhaps it is useful in some other contexts. My own analysis of the episode appears in Salem Story:Reading the Witch Trials of 1692 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1993). It is in paperback and has most recently been reprinted in 1998. Pages 171-173 have some commentary on Ann Pudeator that might interest you. It is hard to be objective about one's own work, but if you like studies that empasize information over theory, you might like this one. As with all books, it has its errors. The most interesting one to me is that I developed an early interpretation of Tituba's treatment by the judicial system that I subsequently discovered to be wrong. The problem originated in that Boyer and Nissenbaum incorrectly had her appearance in court in May 1692. Subsequently, I discovered from the manuscript that this was a mistranscription and the date was 1693. I pointed out my error--and that of B and N--in an essay entitled Tituba's Story that appeared last June in The New England Quarterly. I mention this error, because it highlights the importance of accuracy in textual transcription. One number mistranscribed dramatically alters an historical interpretation. By the way, in my other message I forgot to mantion that Mary Beth Norton is a descendant of Mary Bradbury. I suspect I am one of the few--perhaps the only--members of this list who has no family history connection with the trials. My interest in the subject, though, remains deep. Best wishes, Bernie

Dear Helen, The WPA (Works Progress Administration) did the transcribing from the original manuscripts. The sources they used were the surviving original documents available to them, and they did it from scratch without reprinting previous transcriptions. My best guess, however, is that they probably used printed texts as copy texts, a standard way of transcribing manuscripts. That is, one compares the manuscript to a printed edition and finds discrepanicies and makes the corrections for the new edition. Richard Trask used this method in his excellent transcription of the March events (The Devil Hath Been Raised)--if you get this, be sure to get the updated 1997 edition. The original manuscripts are housed in more than one place, but the biggest single collection by far is at the Peabody Essex in Salem. The holdings there are available on microfilm for about $100, but one has to order them--takes at least a few weeks. If you are interested in that, contact William LaMoy there. I'm not used to the term "LDS," so you might want to send me a translation. But if it refers to the microfilm holdings there, then I think I have answered you on that point. If not, let me know. Other documents are scattered in other libraries. Regarding new material since Boyer and Nissenbaum published the WPA transcriptions along with some additional documents, the largest selection appears in Trask's book (1997). At the end of my book, "Salem Story: Reading the Witch Trials of 1692," there is a letter from Governor Phips that had been previously unpublished. Mary Beth Norton, a history professor at Cornell, who is writing a book on the trials, has found some previously unpublished manuscripts at the Mass. Hist. Soc. I don't yet know whether she will cite these in her book, but she has given me copies and they will appear in the new edition I am editing with a group of others to be published by Cambridge. Because of the complexity of the project, it will be four to five years before this edition comes into print. If you can't wait, you can go to the Mass. Hist. Soc. to look at their collection, although I would write first to be sure that they will make them available. If I have missed picking up anything you were asking about, please let me know. Best wishes, Bernie

On 6/30/99, Helen Grave <[email protected]> wrote: >I have been unable to locate copies of Nissenbaum and Boyer's out of >print SALEM WITCHCRAFT PAPERS. If anyone on the list has a copy, would >you please look in the index and see if they have Ann PUDEATOR (page >numbers, pls). The SWP index listing on page 1064 Ann PUDEATOR is as follows: Pudeator, Ann: M. Warren v., 173; mittimus, 474; CASE RECORD, 701-710. Cheers, Margo

I have been unable to locate copies of Nissenbaum and Boyer's out of print SALEM WITCHCRAFT PAPERS. If anyone on the list has a copy, would you please look in the index and see if they have Ann PUDEATOR (page numbers, pls). Many thanks. -- Helen Greenslit Graves, direct ancestor of Ann (maiden name unknown) Greenslade Pudeator who was hung Sept 1692.

Bernie, Do you have more info on the WPA transcriptions of the 1930s? What were the WPA sources? Did they transcribe from original documents? Did they also repeat previously published transcriptions? Where were their sources in the 1930s? And, if you know it, are these original trial documents archived in numerous places? It sounds like it, if Nissenbaum and Boyer are "finding" documents no one has previously transcribed before. Or did I misinterpret what you said? Last question: for those of us who live far from Mass and have relied on LDS filming done at the Essex Institute years ago, are you saying that what the LDS filmed is only a small portion of what is now available (never been filmed) and perhaps located in other archives? If you could explain the above questions and update us on where this new found material is located, I think it would be helpful for many of us on the Salem-Witch list -- especially if the previously published transcriptions were in error. -- Helen [email protected] wrote: > Dear Helen Graves, > Drake is worth checking if you have not looked at his work. See Samuel G. > Drake, THE WITCHCRAFT DELISION IN NEW ENGLAND, 3. vols. (1866); reprinted > (New York: Burt Franklin, 1970). See also Samuel G. Drake, ANNALS OF > WITCHCRAFT IN NEW ENGLAND AND ELSEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES (1869); > reprinted (New York: Benjamin Blom, 1967)--incidentally, in this work on page > 198 he says Ann Pudeator was "about 70." > On Woodward, I simply slipped in not mentioning him as I listed names of > sources. Prior to the WPA transcriptions in the 30's, Woodward was the > standard scholarly text for legal documents pertaining to the witch trials. > New documents were added to what Woodward had, and the WPA typescript became > the standard scholarly source. Boyer and Nissenbaum added new found documents > to the WPA typescript and put the WPA typescript into publication--THE SALEM > WITCHCRAFT PAPERS. Boyer and Nissenbaum did not retranscribe the WPA work, so > they carry the errors in that transcription. There are errors in Woodward, > and there are errors in Boyer and Nissenbaum (WPA transcription). The main > difference between Boyer and Nissenbaum and Woodward then is not so much in > the matter of accuracy, but in the greater quantity of material that they > make available. But the Boyer and Nissenbaum text continues to have errors, > such as the real confusion there between Alice and Mary Parker, to give one > of various errors known at this stage. However, I agree that in light of what > is now available, Boyer and Nissenbaum offer the best source. Some of the > errors in their work will be identified at the Virginia web site as soon as > that can be arranged. Hope this is helpful. Bernie Rosenthal

Dear Helen Graves, Drake is worth checking if you have not looked at his work. See Samuel G. Drake, THE WITCHCRAFT DELISION IN NEW ENGLAND, 3. vols. (1866); reprinted (New York: Burt Franklin, 1970). See also Samuel G. Drake, ANNALS OF WITCHCRAFT IN NEW ENGLAND AND ELSEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES (1869); reprinted (New York: Benjamin Blom, 1967)--incidentally, in this work on page 198 he says Ann Pudeator was "about 70." On Woodward, I simply slipped in not mentioning him as I listed names of sources. Prior to the WPA transcriptions in the 30's, Woodward was the standard scholarly text for legal documents pertaining to the witch trials. New documents were added to what Woodward had, and the WPA typescript became the standard scholarly source. Boyer and Nissenbaum added new found documents to the WPA typescript and put the WPA typescript into publication--THE SALEM WITCHCRAFT PAPERS. Boyer and Nissenbaum did not retranscribe the WPA work, so they carry the errors in that transcription. There are errors in Woodward, and there are errors in Boyer and Nissenbaum (WPA transcription). The main difference between Boyer and Nissenbaum and Woodward then is not so much in the matter of accuracy, but in the greater quantity of material that they make available. But the Boyer and Nissenbaum text continues to have errors, such as the real confusion there between Alice and Mary Parker, to give one of various errors known at this stage. However, I agree that in light of what is now available, Boyer and Nissenbaum offer the best source. Some of the errors in their work will be identified at the Virginia web site as soon as that can be arranged. Hope this is helpful. Bernie Rosenthal

Donna You might want to subscribe to the Carrier mailing list on rootsweb. I and several others are descendants of Martha and you should be able to get some helpful info there. Neal Carrier 6x great-grandson of Thomas & Martha Carrier > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Carrier > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:54:52 -0500 > From: "Donna M. Clarke" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I am interested in finding information on one of my husbands GGGGGG > Grandmother, Martha Allen Carrier wife of Thomas Carrier, that was put > to death as a witch by mistake. (They paid each one of the children 7 > lbs when they decided she wasn't a witch.) He is a descendent through > her daughter Hannah Carrier Wood. Not really sure what Great she was to > him. I don't have the info with me at this time. But at one time we had > a book on the Salem Witch's and she was listed in it. > If there is anyone that is researching the family we would love to hear > from them. Thanking you in advance. > Tom & Donna Clarke > > ______________________________ > > -- Neal F. Carrier Holland Patent, NY WAGS #776 Listowner CARRIER-L Mail List Rootsweb.com Contributor

I am general editor of a project to reedit legal documents pertaining to the Salem witch trials. A number of newly discovered documents, some of them in printed versions from the nineteenth century have appeared since Boyer and Nissenbaum's Salem Witchcraft Papers. Some of these new ones appear in Richard Trask's 1997 edition of The Devil Hath Been Raised. I am sure there are more out there, some in printed texts, that have simply not surfaced. So this is a general appeal to everybody on the list to please let me know if you run across any such documents in print other than what is found in Boyer and Nissenbaum, Trask, Upham, or Drake. Obviously, if you find it in manuscript--very unlikely--that would even be better. Thanks for any help you can give. Bernard Rosenthal

I am interested in finding information on one of my husbands GGGGGG Grandmother, Martha Allen Carrier wife of Thomas Carrier, that was put to death as a witch by mistake. (They paid each one of the children 7 lbs when they decided she wasn't a witch.) He is a descendent through her daughter Hannah Carrier Wood. Not really sure what Great she was to him. I don't have the info with me at this time. But at one time we had a book on the Salem Witch's and she was listed in it. If there is anyone that is researching the family we would love to hear from them. Thanking you in advance. Tom & Donna Clarke

Dawn and Marc, I found an account of the incident that Dawn spoke of in the book, _The Devil Discovered: Salem Witchcraft 1692_ by Enders A. Robinson. Here is what it says: "Martha Corey, previously arrested and examined was the third wife of Giles Corey. In 1692, Giles Corey was 80 years old. Civil and criminal charges had followed him most of his life. In 1660 Corey had bought fifty acres from Robert Goodale, who owned over 500 acres in Salem Village. 1n 1675, one of Robert Goodale's sons, Jacob Goodale, age 33, was living and working on Corey's farm. Corey was extremely strong, and in a fit of temper "unreasonably beat Jacob with a stick of about one inch diameter nearly 100 blows in the presence of Elisha Kebee, who told Corey that he would knock him down if he did not forbear." About ten days later, Corey went to the house of Jacob's brother Zachariah Goodale and told him that Jacob had taken a fall. Corey said that he was afraid that Jacob had broken his arm, and desired him to take Jacob to Mrs. Mole's in town. Zachariah went to Corey's house and found Jacob confused, pale, stooping, and unable to walk properly. Zachariah asked Corey if Jacob had any other injury besides to his arm, but Corey would not answer. Corey, a stubborn man, refused to help. Instead his second wife, Mary, helped Zachariah take Jacob to town, where Jacob died a few days later. An inquest was held. The coroner's jury, headed by Dr. Zerubabel Endicott, son of the late governor, said, "The man had been bruised to death, having great bruises with the skin broken, and having clodders of blood about his heart." Corey was brought before the court and fined, "upon suspicion of having abused the body of Jacob Goodale." Legend has it that the ghost of Jacob Goodale appeared from time to time, crying out about his foul murder. Look! Look! It is the ghost of Jacob Goodale Whom fifteen years ago this man did murder, By stomping on his body! In his shroud He comes here to bear witness to this crime. (Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, "New England Tragedies.") Jacob Goodale's mother, Katherine, had died in 1645, when he was only three. Two years later, in 1647, Jacob's father, Robert Goodale, married Margaret Lazenby who, as Jacob's stepmother, raised the little boy with loving care. On March 21, 1692, seventeen years after Jacob's death at the hands of Corey, Margaret Goodale, characterized by the Rev. Lawson in his popular book as "an ancient woman, named Goodale," appeared among the afflicted at the examination of Corey's third wife, Martha. Now, on April 18, 1692, on the complaint of Ezekiel Cheever and Sergeant Thomas Putnam, Giles Corey himself was in custody and under examination. Jacob's brother Zachariah Goodale, some years earlier, had placed his son, Joseph Goodale under the guardianship of his good friend Ezekiel Cheever." Regards, Kathy Smith

Jody Roberts, The reason Rebecca Nurse is showing up so much is that she is revered. She was definitely a matyr, and her story is a tradegy of injustice. Marc

It was "Sir William Twisden, Knight" who signed the Virginia Charter... Sir Roger was Sheriff of Kent for a while..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jody Roberts <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday June 27, 1999 3:30 PM Subject: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Question about ancesters of one of Rebecca Towne's Descendents (Twisden) > This is a long shot... but I have a one or two generation gap I can't seem > to fill in one of my ancestors. > > Rebecca Towne's great-grandson Samuel Bowden (Rebecca -> Sarah --> > Samuel -->Samuel, who married a Sarah Twisden. I can trace her back to her > father Samuel Twisden born in 1676, probably Isle of Shoals, NH, and died > October 5, 1743 in Marblehead. I then have a gap, where the next Twisden I > find is another Samuel born May 13, 1627, Kent, England and died August 21, > 1693, in New England (location uncertain, I believe he died in Maine or the > Isle of Shoals). > > I'm almost certain that the two Samuels are either father-son or > father-grandson, but I have yet to find a shred of evidence supporting this > (other than the fact that there only seems to have been one or two Twisden > families in New England at the time). Any help would be appreciated, as my > next step will then be to trace the elder line back to England, and > (hopefully) start making the connections there. > > The reason I'm so intrigued by the Twisdens, is it seems to be a surname on > the verge of extinction (though I have found references as far back as the > 13th century to it in various snippets of information). Perhaps the most > notable Twisden I found seems to be a Sir Roger who was a signer of the > Virginia Charter. (I think it was Sir Roger... I don't actually have all > the data open in front of me) > > And it was actually my research into the Twisdens and my Bowden lines that > led me to Rebecca Nurse ("Why on EARTH is this Nurse woman showing up so > often? OK, I've gotta look into this in more detail...." ) > > I realize this borders as being off topic, but as the two lines DO intermix > a generation or two down the road I figured it was worth the risk of > asking.... > > - Jody Roberts > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~jroberts ICQ UIN 1362302 > >

This is a long shot... but I have a one or two generation gap I can't seem to fill in one of my ancestors. Rebecca Towne's great-grandson Samuel Bowden (Rebecca -> Sarah --> Samuel -->Samuel, who married a Sarah Twisden. I can trace her back to her father Samuel Twisden born in 1676, probably Isle of Shoals, NH, and died October 5, 1743 in Marblehead. I then have a gap, where the next Twisden I find is another Samuel born May 13, 1627, Kent, England and died August 21, 1693, in New England (location uncertain, I believe he died in Maine or the Isle of Shoals). I'm almost certain that the two Samuels are either father-son or father-grandson, but I have yet to find a shred of evidence supporting this (other than the fact that there only seems to have been one or two Twisden families in New England at the time). Any help would be appreciated, as my next step will then be to trace the elder line back to England, and (hopefully) start making the connections there. The reason I'm so intrigued by the Twisdens, is it seems to be a surname on the verge of extinction (though I have found references as far back as the 13th century to it in various snippets of information). Perhaps the most notable Twisden I found seems to be a Sir Roger who was a signer of the Virginia Charter. (I think it was Sir Roger... I don't actually have all the data open in front of me) And it was actually my research into the Twisdens and my Bowden lines that led me to Rebecca Nurse ("Why on EARTH is this Nurse woman showing up so often? OK, I've gotta look into this in more detail...." ) I realize this borders as being off topic, but as the two lines DO intermix a generation or two down the road I figured it was worth the risk of asking.... - Jody Roberts - -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~jroberts ICQ UIN 1362302

-----Original Message----- From: Amy Bond Simpson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 12:42 PM Subject: Fw Giles Corey/ Jacob GOODELL > > >>According to the book A GENEALOGY OF THE DESCENDANTS OF ROBERT GOODALE/ >>GOODELL OF SALEM, MASS: >> >>Jacob GOODELL, son of Robert and Catherine(KILHAM) GOODELL was born at >>Salem, Mass,. November 9, 1641, and died unmarried November 1675 >> >>" About the last of November 1675, Mrs. Mary COREY testified that >Elizabeth, >>wife of Zechariah GOODELL, told her that the latter's brother, Jacob, had >>been to Zechariah's house and got into the cellar, and took some apples. >>Zechariah was then coming in with a log of wood, and laying it down, he >took >>a stick and 'pade him to som purpos'. About ten days later, Giles Corey >>unreasonably beat Jacob with a stick about an inch in diameter, nearly an >>hundred blows in the presence of Elisha KEBEE, who told Corey that he would >>knock him down if 'he did not forbear'. About ten days earlier Corey went >>to the house of Zechariah and told him that his brother Jacob had had a >>fall. He was afraid that he had broken his arm, and desired him to take >>Jacob to Mrs. MOLE's in the town. Jacob was then about thirty-four years of >>age and up to then he had been lusty. Now, Jacob went 'very Ravel' and >>stooping, and he was very pale and his eyes very sunken. Thereupon >>Zechariah went to Corey's house and saw Jacob who was there, The roads >were >>very slippery and Corey said that his horse was not caulked, and so he >could >>not go with him. Jacob went so badly, Zechariah asked him if he had any >>other hurt than his arm, but he would not tell. Zechariah then requested >>that some one might go with them, for he would not go alone with him. >>Whereupon Goody Corey went with them. Jacob died a few days later and an >>inquest was held. The jury reported, 'We find several wrongs that he hath >>had on his body as upon his left arm and upon reins of his back in color >>differing from the other parts of his body we caused an incision to be >made, >>much bruished and run with a jelly and the skin broke upon the outside of >>each buttock.' For this offence Corey was fined." >> >> >>The above is typed exactly as given in the book. In re-reading I have come >>to the conclusion that the phrase "About ten days earlier" is in >>relationship to the timing of the inquest. >> >>Zechariah is my direct ancestor, also. >>I'd be glad to exchange data with others. >> >>Amy >>[email protected] >> >> >> > >

To Don Mellen: Hi Don, You should contact John C. Hatt (notice the "r" is missing) who resides at 120 Fulton Ave., Fredericton, NB, E3A 2B6, Canada. John has the most complete database that I know of for the descendants of Richard Esty who migrated to New Brunswick before the revolution and is the father of the Estey line in Canada. I will send a prinout of what I have on teh Estey line to your personal e-mail id. George Estey