I'm following these lines with great interest as I have not yet quite "proven" this line, having fairly recently discovered it. Any help from list members would be much appreciated. George Martin m. Susannah North Jane Martin m Samuel Hadley Esther Hadley m Richard Goodwin Susannah Goodwin m Deac. Nathaniel Jewett Jacob Jewett m Mehitable Mitchell Hannah Jewett m James Foster [THIS IS WHERE THE LINK IS WEAK and I need further information/proof to go back to James Foster and Hannah Jewett, etc. above] Jacob Foster m Hannah Kendall Amelia Foster m Benjamin Smith Isaac Foster Smith m Nancy Jane Pease Nellie Jane Smith m Frederick Carleton Jones Frederick William Jones m Lena Helen Baker/Belanger Wallace Frederick Jones m Mary Dale Dearth (my parents) Thanks, Wendy http://www.my-ged.com/geofroy

Here's one of two of my connections to Susanna North Martin 1. George Martin & Susanna North Martin 2. Esther Martin & John Jameson 3. Hannah Jameson & Jonathan Blaisdell 4. Samuel Blaisdell & Dorothy Barnard 5. Oliver Blaisdell & Miriam Bagley 6. Levi Blaisdell & Mary Johnstone 7. Wesley Blaisdell & Margaret Collins (Great Great Grandparents)

Hi, I am another Susanna North Martin descendant, through her daughter Esther and through daughter Jane. My descent follows: 1)Susanna North & George Martin 2)Esther Martin & John Jameson 3)Hannah Jameson & Jonathan Blaisdell 4)Elizabeth Blaisdell & Abraham Colby 5)Willaby Colby & Sarah Sargent 6)Judith Colby & James Green 7)Simeon Chase Green & Sarah Ann Hadley 8)Silas Stillman Green & Marie Lucena Sargent Silas was my maternal great grandfather 1)Susanna North & George Martin 2)Jane Martin & Samuel Hadley 3)Samuel Hadley & Dorothy Colby 4)Martha Hadley & Philip Sargent 5)Sarah Sargent & Willaby Colby see 6, 7, & 8 above. For those of you who haven't yet seen it, here is the URL for Susanna's web page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nwa/witch.html Bonnie Johnson

Hi Mary Beth, My ancient Grandmother is also Susannah North Martin, and I, too, descend through her daughter Jane. Also I have many lines that also connect to the other family names that you mention. Gould, Sargent, Eastman, Kitteredge, Quimby, Page,Varney, and Lord. They do not connect to those names directly but have marriages into those lines. In reference to the Hadley's being Quaker, I also have articles that refer to the possibility that part of the reason that Susannah was so hounded and then accused, was because she too was a Quaker, as was her family. So the it is entirely possible that the Hadley's were also. I think that Enders Robinson, "The Devil Discovered" also makes this Quaker deduction. I also show some of the Varney's in Maine, and also listed as being Quaker, in the last 1700's and early 1800's. Most of the above are connected to my MAGOON line, as well as my GILE, and CLEMENT lines. If you would like to exchange information I would be more than happy to. Thanks Joanne Roth.

> Jane Martin & Samuel Hadley Mary Beth, There is a prominent Quaker family named Hadley. Were your Hadleys connected with the Quaker Hadleys by any chance? Leslie

---------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SALEM-WITCH-L] Encephalitis theory Date: Sat, Sep 18, 1999, 5:15 PM I too am a decendant of Susannah North Martin through her daughter, Esther. I'd like to know how many other's there are out there on the list. My line is: Susannah North m George Martin Esther Martin m John Jameson Jane Jameson m Thomas Nichols Jr Jonathan Nichols Sr m Mary Challis Jonathan Nichols Jr m Mary McElwain Francis Nichols b 1765 m Lucy Bishop (Lucy is decended from Edward Bishops I, II, and III) My family stayed in the Salem area until this generation, so I have several ties to the area. I also have Putnam (Capt John ), Prince (Rebecca), Wilds (Sarah, wife of Edward Bishop II ), Sargent (Mary, dau of William ), Gould (Wife of Edward I ) and others.

> I too am a decendant of Susannah North Martin through her daughter, Esther. > I'd like to know how many other's there are out there on the list. I am descended from George Martin and his first wife Hannah Green, so I am also descended fromSusannah Martin's step daughter Hannah Martin, "The Witch's Daughter" of the Greenleaf Whittier poem. Here is my line: George Martin m. Hannah Green Hannah Martin m. Ezekiel Worthen Hannah Worthen m Samuel Fowler Susannah Fowler m John Jones (Joseph Jones/Mary Gould possible descent from Susannah North's sister Mary m Thomas Jones but not yet proved or disproved) Lydia Jones m Benjamin Hoag JR Jacob Hoag m Elizabeth Palmer etc. I also have a cousin on the list with whom I share this line and who has kindly shared her research. Hannah Green is our stone wall. She was probably b 1620-25 and possibly died giving birth to Hannah Martin February 1, 1642/43. George Martin m Susannah North in 1646. Leslie

Hi, I am a descendent of Susanna Martin but through her daughter Jane. My line goes: George Martin & Susanna North Jane Martin & Samuel Hadley Joseph Hadley & Anna/Hannah Flanders Esther Hadley & Moses Quimby David Quimby & Elizabeth Kittredge James Moody Quimby & Mary Jane Page Eliza Kittredge Quimby & Davis Varney Lord (my g-g-grandparents) and so on Are there any out there on the list who might be part of this line? There are quite a lot of other families intermarried into this line as well, Sargent, Eastman, Gould,etc. Yours, Mary Beth Ortzman

> Illness? Infection? Poison? I, for one, doubt it. Very well put Stephanie. Thanks for articulating it so well. I hope u don't mind that I fwded to my sisters and an old friend. I feel certain that Susannah Martin's hanging was the result of a land dispute that George Martin was involved in earlier as well as her own outspoken nature. As far as I can tell my families were only nominally Puritans and became Quakers after the witch persecutions. They were also fairly prosperous judging from their wills and occupations. I put no creedence in the disease theory unless we are talking about the diseases of power control and greed. Leslie (a Martin descendant, Gould descendant, etc)

I confess I have not read the encephalitis or moldy rye theories, but as a nurse I find the idea of the Salem accusers having a neurologic or infectious illness highly unlikely. First of all, if this was the case, why would it mainly affect only a specific population group - adolescent girls? Further, brain infections/diseases whether acute or chronic, do not present at all the way these 'hysterical' girls presented. People with Encephalitis or similar diseases or disorders would not be capable of the antics that these girls performed, especially the well timed reponses and behaviors to court proceedings. Generally people with those forms of illness would be so ill and debilitated they would not be out of bed, and in the 1600's more than likely would not have survived. Also, the 'seizures' these girls had were not at all typical of 'real' seizure activity which is uncontrollable by outside or inner forces. Nearly all seizure victims are unaware of the seizure activity as it is occuring, and are unable to respond in any way to verbal or tactile stimulation. Someone having a seizure is unable to respond to questions or call out accusations. Although it is true that some brain illnesses can cause hallucinations, those hallucinations are not of the same sort that these girls were said to be having. They would not be well-ordered and well-timed but chaotic and unconnected to outside stimuli. The hallucinations of someone with a brain injury or disease would not repeatedly focus on one specific event or occurence in other words, but would be multifaceted, disorganized and incoherent. Affected persons cannot have hallucinations on demand and then carry on with everyday life. I feel that there were many things going on at that time that caused this event. Mosts importantly I think it relates to a long standing belief in divine intervention, current events (including general ill will amongst property owners who were disputing boundaries and control of their town), and the position of children in society. Remember - although it is said that our ancestors came to this country for religous freedom, first and foremost they came for LAND(WEALTH). By 1692 the old ways were beginning to be questioned by young adults (the 2nd and 3rd generation from the immigrants). There were some rebellions against the church rule, land owners were feeling the crunch of not enough land to divide among their growing families, town governments were trying to take more control and allow less for the church - even paying and selecting town ministers became an issue. Neighbors were expected to spy on neighbors and report misdeeds to church and town fathers. Their was a tight control on EVERYTHING. The church and the town meeting controlled all aspects of behavior, and those with the most land and highest standing got the best seats in church and the highest position in government and the military. There was a heirarchy of control that was well prescribed. The tythingman controlled behaviors in church, town governments controlled behaviors in the town while parents and all others controlled the behaviors of children. AND all adults were more important, had more voice, and were more recognized than the children ('children should be seen and not heard' attitude). It must have been very tiring for children - especially those who were active, imaginative or curious. So, with all of this in mind and by 1692, after Indian massacres, small pox and other epidemics, church and town discord, neighbors fighting neighbors over land and civil disputes - is it any wonder that someone (especially the children) wanted to SCREAM? To sum it up, I feel that a bunch of bored (rebellious?), impressionable, pubescent girls were looking for something exciting and different in their lives and got in over their heads. Perhaps some of the stronger girls had a malicious intent from the start but I think it unlikely. I think they just couldn't find their way out once the adults were involved - and it was easy to fall back on long standing superstitions and blame others who may have been 'different', said a cross word to them, or irritated their parents with a court case. Once started they could not go back for fear of retribution or being accused themselves, and perhaps there was an element of mass hysteria in some or all as the trials began to get into full swing. But think how important these girls became! How exciting each day was in comparison to what they had known in their well ordered lives in which they had been barely recognized. Their lives were no longer a dull monotony that would last until old age and death. They were the center of attention - everything and everyone was focusing on them and their 'afflictions'. Even they could not have envisioned how exciting their lives would become or how long they would be remembered! As for the adults involved, could they have at first believed the girls were truly afflicted - but later seen how it benefitted them when their neighbors were executed or removed, how easy it was to eliminate their 'problems'? Divine intervention was the belief that God rewarded those who did good deeds, and punished those who did not. Every event bad or good that occurred to an individual was 'ordained by God'. It was good vs. evil, paying for misdeeds etc. So, if a cow falls dead today when he was well yesterday, the owner must have done something that displeased God. Now if the owner could not identify that he had done anything displeasing, then what other cause could there be? AH-HA! Perhaps a neighbor who he was having a land dispute with was a WITCH and therefore she killed the cow in revenge. It easily took the blame and fear off the owner to be able to use someone else as a scapegoat. Old fears and superstitions served them well when grudges, law suits and land disputes were settled by the accusals. Perhaps greed made it easy for them to sit back and allow it to occur, and even prod on their children, their neighbors, their friends - the accusers. Illness? Infection? Poison? I, for one, doubt it. Stephanie Shenandoah Valley, VA [email protected] http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/w/a/l/Stephanie-J-Walker/index.html Currently collecting/sharing these surnames BARTHOLOMEW (<1800, NY), CLAYES/CLOYES, CUPPERNALL, CURTIS (CT), FAIRBANKS, GENT/JENT, PARKHILL, PEPPER, PHIPPS, THOMPSON (VT, CT), WALKER (MA,NY), WATSON (MA) **************************************************************** "Listen to the footsteps that echo behind when you walk alone." *****************************************************************

Was William Fiske married to Sarah Kilham a member of the Salam jury? Steve [email protected]

I recently found a new branch on my family line, and was more then a little surprised that this one led back to the Marblehead/Lynn area of Massachusetts. Here are some snippets of the Ahnentafel for that line.... <SNIPPET ONE> 44. John Collins, born January 14, 1632/33 in London, Middlesex, England; died December 22, 1679 in Lynn, Essex, MA. He married 45. Abigail Johnson Abt. 1656 in Lynn, Essex, MA. 45. Abigail Johnson, born in Lynn, Essex, MA. Child of John Collins and Abigail Johnson is: 22 i. John Collins, born June 28, 1679 in Lynn, Essex, MA; died May 29, 1775 in Charleston, Washington, RI; married Susanna Daggett January 13, 1703/04 in Lynn, Essex, MA. <SNIPPET TWO> 46. William Daggett, born 1661 in Marblehead, Kent, MA; died 1706. He married 47. Rebecca Wormstall. 47. Rebecca Wormstall, born 1663 in Winter Harbor, Hancock, ME; died Aft. 1727 in Sutton, Worcester, MA. Child of William Daggett and Rebecca Wormstall is: 23 i. Susanna Daggett, born 1685 in Saco, ME; died January 14, 1753 in Charleston, Washington, RI; married John Collins January 13, 1703/04 in Lynn, Essex, MA. <SNIPPET THREE> 22. John Collins, born June 28, 1679 in Lynn, Essex, MA; died May 29, 1775 in Charleston, Washington, RI. He was the son of 44. John Collins and 45. Abigail Johnson. He married 23. Susanna Daggett January 13, 1703/04 in Lynn, Essex, MA. 23. Susanna Daggett, born 1685 in Saco, ME; died January 14, 1753 in Charleston, Washington, RI. She was the daughter of 46. William Daggett and 47. Rebecca Wormstall. Child of John Collins and Susanna Daggett is: 11 i. Lydia Collins, born 1714 in Westerly, Washngton, RI; died November 20, 1809 in Waterford, New London, CT; married William Gorton, Sr 1736 in RI. Now, the only reason I'm asking is because the Daggett name seems familiar, as does the Collins name. The fact that the family migrated away from the area also raises a mild suspician. Anyone have any information on whether they were involved at all with the Trials? Jody Roberts ICQ# 1362302 http://home.netcarrier.net/~jroberts <--- NOTE! New URL!

WOW! Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry about Job Tyler. He is my 8th ggrandfather. From some of the info I have gathered on him I was a little reluctant to inquire about him, as I was sure he must have been one of the accusers :). Wondered if I would get hate mail (joke). Did not know about Mary. Will have to read more. I appreciate the guidance you all contributed. Thanks much. If I can reciprocate in any way, I'd be happy to do so. Bonnie

a decendant of Job Tyler, b 1619 somewhere in England, wife, Mary. They were early settlers in Andover, and I am certain were involved in some of the witch trials taking place there Hi. Their daughter Mary was convicted but then reprieved. Abby More details: Job Tyler was born in 1619 perhaps in Cranbrook, Kent. He married Mary whose last name may have been Horton. He was in Rhode Island about 1638 and in 1639 was in Andover as a solitary squatter. He went to Roxbury and then returned to Andover and in 1642 went back to Roxbury where he bought land in 1646, and his wife joined the church in 1665, then he went to Mendon and clashed with the church authorities in 1669. He was involved in a long legal controversy with Thomas Chandler, to whom his son Hopestill Tyler was apprenticed as a blacksmith at Andover in 1658, that is detailed in the History of Andover. He died in 1699. There is a memorial stone erected beside that of his son Moses as the first settler of Andover.  Their children were: 1.  Hannah Tyler   +James Lovett 2.   Moses Tyler Abt 1641 - 1727   +Sarah Hasey - 1718   *2nd Wife of Moses Tyler:   +Widow Martha Fisk Abt 1649 - 1734/35   *3rd Wife of Moses Tyler:   +Prudence Blake 1647 - 1688/89 3.  Mary Tyler Abt 1644 - 1706/07 (tried for witchcraft at Salem, sentenced, then reprieved)   +Richard Post Abt 1627 - 1675   *2nd Husband of Mary Tyler:   +John Bridges Abt 1647 - 4.  Hopestill Tyler Abt 1646 - 1733/34   +Mary Lovett 1652/53 - 5.  John Tyler 1650 - 1742   +Hannah Parker 6.  John Tyler 1653 - 7.  Samuel Tyler 1655 - 1695   +Hannah ?

Hi, list, I am new to this list, but am a decendant of Job Tyler, b 1619 somewhere in England, wife, Mary. They were early settlers in Andover, and I am certain were involved in some of the witch trials taking place there. Would appreciate any help or information I can get in doing my research. TIA Bonnie

A Fever in Salem: A New Interpretation of the New England Witch Trials, by Laurie Winn Carlson . Ivan R. Dee, Chicago. 1999. Margo Burns reviewed this book here a few weeks ago. I got a copy from my local public library Friday night and read it in one sitting. I will try to hit on some points that Margo didn't cover. Carlson's theory is that an outbreak of encephalitis lethargica was the main cause of the Salem witchcraft outbreak in 1692. I am very interested in the current outbreak in New York City and how it measures up against the outbreak in Salem where Carlson compared the symptoms and reaction in Salem to a similar outbreak in the U.S. that was also concurrent with the world-wide outbreak of Spanish influenza. Carlson's book is the first I've read that emphasizes disease(smallpox, influenza, and encephalities lethargica)and outbreaks of witchcraft prosecution. She gives one chapter just to all the testimony in the trials of human and cattle illness and death. You might have read it before, but Carlson's condensing it down into a single chapter or so gives the testimony a real emphasis of the illness and death stalking Salem and other towns that suffered witchcraft crisis. The climate conditions, especially in the western portion of Salem Village ,where most of the afflicted lived, were ideal for an outbreak of this form of encephalitis, carried mainly by mosquitos. Both humans and cattle appeared to suffer from a strange disease in Salem at this time and Carlson is the first author to really credit the cattle sickness and human witchcraft possession and explain that the cattle owners really knew their cattle, could recognize some disease after autopsy, but not what was ailing their cattle in 1691-2. Carlson also chronicled other outbreaks of encephalitis and depending on the background conditions, the afflicted could be literally miracles(some victims lived, but didn't eat or drink for weeks), see visions(apparitions)that led to events like the "Little Awakening," a religious revival in New England in the early-mid 18th century or witchcraft accusations. Carlson also pervasively explored other possible causes or contributors to the Salem outbreak, wood ticks and bird migratory patterns. It is a convincing theory, but although the symptoms of encephalitis lethergia, which can vary between victim to victim and even within the same victim over time, the death rate for the afflicted seems very low compared to the 1916-23 outbreak in the U.S. and the current outbreak in New York City. None of the afflicted in Salem(at least in surviving records)suffered long bouts of not eating or coma. It did cross my mind that since this form of encephalitis can come and go and reaccur years later to even kill, it might have been the cause of death of Ann Putnam Jr.'s parents within a short time of each other. Ann Jr also suffered life-long ill-health and died at a young age. We do know from John Hale that one of the afflicted girls that died by or before 1698 when he wrote his account, but he did not name her. It was possibly Abigail Williams. And could the afflicted girls history is silent on after 1692 have also died? If only all the records written on this event survived we might know. For pure historians on the Salem trials, Carlson gives Cotton Mather and Samuel Parris the most balanced treatment I've yet read, which strongly echoes my own thoughts on the two. Mather was both scientist-physician and a minister, but first and foremost a best-selling author, using outstanding examples of religious conversion/non-conversion(witchcraft)with catchy titles and (then)scientific observation to bring readers to the Puritain fold. Samuel Parris Carlson sees as both former farmer and businessman, not greedily demanding a huge salary and parsonage ownership, but wisely asking for same in a time when even the beloved Rev. Higginson of Salem Town had problems getting his salary paid and Puritain ministers all over New England were facing the same. Carlson also emphasized that Parris was too inexperienced a minister to handle the witchcraft outbreak, but also that he cribbed from other ministers sermons(not unusual in a time where imitation was the sincerest form of flattery and copyright law was not the force it is today. Carlson also explores the other theories of why Salem happened, including Linnada Caporael's ergot in the rye(LSD) theory, all the pros and cons of them all. Barring a time machine for any of us to go back and find out why, Carlson's encephalitis theory is just as if not more convincing than most.

Question about the Healers: >I was always assured that the Raggio's kept a good witch on >their Ranch, who did healing, and they didn't mind witches at all. A lot of >familiar names from Salem show up around Jackson in the 1800s. Carol in Reno So maybe now is a good time to ask if anyone had information on these healing or good witches? It would be interesting to hear about this. Or was it really all religious? And thanks Dora, for the explanation. Lou Ann

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Leslie: Canaries? And I thought my Rice group ancestors were strangely feathered birds! (ROFL) How are you related to the Raymonds? I am descended from Paul Raymond married Tabitha Balch, their son William married Mercy Davis. Yours, Dora > My ancestors were among them. Mine were too. Susannah Martin married my ancestor George Martin and raised his daughter Hannah Martin ("the witch's daughter") from a toddler after his first wife died so my ancestors were most certainly affected. In addition, the Gould family were cousins to my ancestors. (John Gould was accused as a traitor by his bro-in-law John Wildes and hung; later Wildes' second wife Sarah was hung along w/ Susannah Martin probably as revenge). There is also Amesbury/Salisbury/Newbury continuing to intermarry with other Salem area descendants ( much later in the migration including apparently the Raymonds who unfortunately sang like canaries at the trials) until my ggrandfather's generation finally ending in Whittier CA (Greenleaf Whittier whom the town was named after is a cousin also descended from "the witch's daughter" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

> Also, not long after the trials there was a > large-scale exodus from the Salem environs by people who decided they had > simply had enough of having their lives dictated by the Puritan authorities. > My ancestors were among them. Mine were too. Susannah Martin married my ancestor George Martin and raised his daughter Hannah Martin ("the witch's daughter") from a toddler after his first wife died so my ancestors were most certainly affected. In addition, the Gould family were cousins to my ancestors. (John Gould was accused as a traitor by his bro-in-law John Wildes and hung; later Wildes' second wife Sarah was hung along w/ Susannah Martin probably as revenge). There is also a persistent family legend as yet unproven that another ancestor John Hoag lost his position as an assize court judge because of his oppositon to the trials. I haven't completed my research by any means but so far it appears that descendants of these ancestors who were close to the action converted to the Society of Friends and emigrated together from Amesbury/Salisbury/Newbury continuing to intermarry with other Salem area descendants ( much later in the migration including apparently the Raymonds who unfortunately sang like canaries at the trials) until my ggrandfather's generation finally ending in Whittier CA (Greenleaf Whittier whom the town was named after is a cousin also descended from "the witch's daughter" Hannah Martin and Ezekial Worthen). Discovering how close my families were to the witch persecutions really has helped me understand my immediate family at the end of this migration even tho the witch trial involvement was buried in the closet long ago. Leslie