Jonathan Sackett ( -1798), s of John and Hannah (Smith)Sackett; m______________, 7 children (Jacobus, v7, p 1584) WHAT IF, We know that John and Hannah Smith married 29 November 1721. (TK database) So, they may have had a child born sometime in 1722? They do have a first child named Jonathan. We know that Jonathan Sackett ( -1798) had a natural (illegitimate) child born in 1766. He also had seven other children, the oldest birthdate of the seven listed is 1767. We know that the name of the natural child’s mother was Mary Ford. (Families of Ancient New Haven, vol 1, page 243, 247, War Service Records) Jonathan ( -1798) died when his natural child was 32 years old. I am going to give the natural child (born 1766), who to this point has no assigned name, the name Jonathan after his father. I believe that it is possible that Jonathan, natural child, age 36 is the same Jonathan Sackett who married Lucinda Plumb in 1802 when she was almost 17 years old. (There is also a Jonathan Sackett in this area who died young who could be a possible father of three children who died? but I believe he was only 17 when he died.) Sometime soon after the 1802 marriage Jonathan and Lucinda had a male child (Daniel) and 10 months later in 1804 another male child whom they named Gad. And by 1806 a third male child named Isaac. For whatever reason the father Jonathan seems to not have supported the mother and three young boys. So, the middle child Gad was bound out to a Baldwin family to raise. Lucinda was still living but must have been deserted/divorced from her husband if he was still living? The Baldwins changed Gad’s name to James. There are no official records for this but we do have a handwritten family note stating this fact. (See TK’s database, M 205, James Sacket) After some time with the Baldwins it appears that (Gad) James ended up living with perhaps a Sackett relative (named Joel?) in New York State. The handed down family story is that in the year 1819 some sea captains came by the home where he was and offered him the job of helping them go west to Illinois. (Gad) James was 15 years old at the time and it was said that his “Dad” didn’t like letting him go but felt that there was more opportunity in going west. Lucinda Sackett had no contact with (Gad) James until 35 years later in 1839. According to her letter of that date both her other sons, Daniel and Isaac, lived near her in New Haven. James began to look back East for his family. He wrote a letter to Daniel who never answered. (Later James found out that Daniel could not write.) James also wrote to his Uncle Joel who did write? Or Joel was in touch with Lucinda, and Lucinda saw the letter and was confused and upset about what Joel had said about her?In 1839 James received a letter from his mother, Lucinda Sackett, in which she introduced herself, talked about his brothers and asked for a response. Then what happened? Connecticut Private Records, New Haven Co, Deaths & Marriages, 1826-1883; “old” Mrs. Jonathan Sackett, d Dec 1, 1842. Daniel and Isaac and their families moved to Illinois about 1842. Our Lucinda would have been; 57 years old, if? b July 22, 1785 d Dec 1, 1842 Jonathan Sackett was born ca 1764 and died Milford 18 May 1849 ae 85, “New Haven Daily Register” says he was a Revolutionary War soldier and died in Milford. He married 25 June 1802 (MC1) Lucinda Plumb dau of John Still Plumb. With this information I am proposing that the grandfather of James Sacket, born 1804 ( Sackett Family DNA Project; New Haven Chart 2), is previously identified as Jonathan Sackett (M33160) who died 1798 for our Sackett Family records, and that his “natural” child, born 1766, (mother Mary Ford) is the Jonathan Sacket who married Lucinda Plumb, 25 June, 1802 and were parents of Daniel Sacket born 1803, James born 1804, and Isaac born 1806. Looks like; 1. John & Hannah Smith Sackett 2. Jonathan d 1798 m Miss________ 3. Jonathan, b 1766 4. Gad renamed James b 1804 5. James b 1837 6. Will b 1868 and brother Josiah b 1880 7. Claude b 1900 and cousin Viola b 1915 Will this “fly” with any Sackett researchers? Glenna Hertzler

Glenna, It sounds plausible enough to me to be recorded in our research, as long as it is flagged as a tentative conclusion. I think it's always valuable to have carefully thought-out scenarios available for further research. Who knows--someday we may find enough evidence for a full proof. Jean On Aug 28, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Glenna Hertzler wrote: > Jonathan Sackett ( -1798), s of John and Hannah (Smith)Sackett; > > m______________, 7 children > > (Jacobus, v7, p 1584) > > > > WHAT IF, > > We know that John and Hannah Smith married 29 November 1721. (TK database) > > So, they may have had a child born sometime in 1722? They do have a first child named Jonathan. > > We know that Jonathan Sackett ( -1798) had a natural (illegitimate) child born in 1766. He also had seven other children, the oldest birthdate of the seven listed is 1767. > > We know that the name of the natural child’s mother was Mary Ford. (Families of Ancient New Haven, vol 1, page 243, 247, War Service Records) > > Jonathan ( -1798) died when his natural child was 32 years old. > > I am going to give the natural child (born 1766), who to this point has no assigned name, the name Jonathan after his father. > > I believe that it is possible that Jonathan, natural child, age 36 is the same Jonathan Sackett who married Lucinda Plumb in 1802 when she was almost 17 years old. (There is also a Jonathan Sackett in this area who died young who could be a possible father of three children who died? but I believe he was only 17 when he died.) > > Sometime soon after the 1802 marriage Jonathan and Lucinda had a male child (Daniel) and 10 months later in 1804 another male child whom they named Gad. And by 1806 a third male child named Isaac. For whatever reason the father Jonathan seems to not have supported the mother and three young boys. So, the middle child Gad was bound out to a Baldwin family to raise. Lucinda was still living but must have been deserted/divorced from her husband if he was still living? > > The Baldwins changed Gad’s name to James. There are no official records for this but we do have a handwritten family note stating this fact. (See TK’s database, M 205, James Sacket) > > After some time with the Baldwins it appears that (Gad) James ended up living with perhaps a Sackett relative (named Joel?) in New York State. The handed down family story is that in the year 1819 some sea captains came by the home where he was and offered him the job of helping them go west to Illinois. (Gad) James was 15 years old at the time and it was said that his “Dad” didn’t like letting him go but felt that there was more opportunity in going west. > > Lucinda Sackett had no contact with (Gad) James until 35 years later in 1839. According to her letter of that date both her other sons, Daniel and Isaac, lived near her in New Haven. > > James began to look back East for his family. He wrote a letter to Daniel who never answered. (Later James found out that Daniel could not write.) > > James also wrote to his Uncle Joel who did write? Or Joel was in touch with Lucinda, and Lucinda saw the letter and was confused and upset about what Joel had said about her?In 1839 James received a letter from his mother, Lucinda Sackett, in which she introduced herself, talked about his brothers and asked for a response. > > Then what happened? > > Connecticut Private Records, New Haven Co, Deaths & Marriages, 1826-1883; “old” Mrs. Jonathan Sackett, d Dec 1, 1842. > > Daniel and Isaac and their families moved to Illinois about 1842. > > Our Lucinda would have been; 57 years old, if? > > b July 22, 1785 d Dec 1, 1842 > > Jonathan Sackett was born ca 1764 and died Milford 18 May 1849 ae 85, “New Haven Daily Register” says he was a Revolutionary War soldier and died in Milford. He married 25 June 1802 (MC1) Lucinda Plumb dau of John Still Plumb. > > With this information I am proposing that the grandfather of James Sacket, born 1804 ( Sackett Family DNA Project; New Haven Chart 2), is previously identified as Jonathan Sackett (M33160) who died 1798 for our Sackett Family records, and that his “natural” child, born 1766, (mother Mary Ford) is the Jonathan Sacket who married Lucinda Plumb, 25 June, 1802 and were parents of Daniel Sacket born 1803, James born 1804, and Isaac born 1806. > > Looks like; > > 1. John & Hannah Smith Sackett > > 2. Jonathan d 1798 m Miss________ > > 3. Jonathan, b 1766 > > 4. Gad renamed James b 1804 > > 5. James b 1837 > > 6. Will b 1868 and brother Josiah b 1880 > > 7. Claude b 1900 and cousin Viola b 1915 > > > > Will this “fly” with any Sackett researchers? > > Glenna Hertzler > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > The Sackett Family Association website is at http://www.sackettfamily.info/. > > To contact the Sackett List Admin, send a message to SACKETT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > See list information and search the archives at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/s/sackett.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SACKETT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean, My intent was to raise awareness of this Jonathan to others who may have possible connections. I do accept that it is a tentative conclusion. Perhaps someone reading will know of my elusive Jonathan who married Lucinda Plumb in 1802. See you at the Reunion. Glenna On Aug 29, 2012, at 9:37 PM, J CARPENTER wrote: > Glenna, > It sounds plausible enough to me to be recorded in our research, as long as it is flagged as a tentative conclusion. I think it's always valuable to have carefully thought-out scenarios available for further research. Who knows--someday we may find enough evidence for a full proof. > Jean > > On Aug 28, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Glenna Hertzler wrote: > >> Jonathan Sackett ( -1798), s of John and Hannah (Smith)Sackett; >> >> m______________, 7 children >> >> (Jacobus, v7, p 1584) >> >> >> >> WHAT IF, >> >> We know that John and Hannah Smith married 29 November 1721. (TK database) >> >> So, they may have had a child born sometime in 1722? They do have a first child named Jonathan. >> >> We know that Jonathan Sackett ( -1798) had a natural (illegitimate) child born in 1766. He also had seven other children, the oldest birthdate of the seven listed is 1767. >> >> We know that the name of the natural child’s mother was Mary Ford. (Families of Ancient New Haven, vol 1, page 243, 247, War Service Records) >> >> Jonathan ( -1798) died when his natural child was 32 years old. >> >> I am going to give the natural child (born 1766), who to this point has no assigned name, the name Jonathan after his father. >> >> I believe that it is possible that Jonathan, natural child, age 36 is the same Jonathan Sackett who married Lucinda Plumb in 1802 when she was almost 17 years old. (There is also a Jonathan Sackett in this area who died young who could be a possible father of three children who died? but I believe he was only 17 when he died.) >> >> Sometime soon after the 1802 marriage Jonathan and Lucinda had a male child (Daniel) and 10 months later in 1804 another male child whom they named Gad. And by 1806 a third male child named Isaac. For whatever reason the father Jonathan seems to not have supported the mother and three young boys. So, the middle child Gad was bound out to a Baldwin family to raise. Lucinda was still living but must have been deserted/divorced from her husband if he was still living? >> >> The Baldwins changed Gad’s name to James. There are no official records for this but we do have a handwritten family note stating this fact. (See TK’s database, M 205, James Sacket) >> >> After some time with the Baldwins it appears that (Gad) James ended up living with perhaps a Sackett relative (named Joel?) in New York State. The handed down family story is that in the year 1819 some sea captains came by the home where he was and offered him the job of helping them go west to Illinois. (Gad) James was 15 years old at the time and it was said that his “Dad” didn’t like letting him go but felt that there was more opportunity in going west. >> >> Lucinda Sackett had no contact with (Gad) James until 35 years later in 1839. According to her letter of that date both her other sons, Daniel and Isaac, lived near her in New Haven. >> >> James began to look back East for his family. He wrote a letter to Daniel who never answered. (Later James found out that Daniel could not write.) >> >> James also wrote to his Uncle Joel who did write? Or Joel was in touch with Lucinda, and Lucinda saw the letter and was confused and upset about what Joel had said about her?In 1839 James received a letter from his mother, Lucinda Sackett, in which she introduced herself, talked about his brothers and asked for a response. >> >> Then what happened? >> >> Connecticut Private Records, New Haven Co, Deaths & Marriages, 1826-1883; “old” Mrs. Jonathan Sackett, d Dec 1, 1842. >> >> Daniel and Isaac and their families moved to Illinois about 1842. >> >> Our Lucinda would have been; 57 years old, if? >> >> b July 22, 1785 d Dec 1, 1842 >> >> Jonathan Sackett was born ca 1764 and died Milford 18 May 1849 ae 85, “New Haven Daily Register” says he was a Revolutionary War soldier and died in Milford. He married 25 June 1802 (MC1) Lucinda Plumb dau of John Still Plumb. >> >> With this information I am proposing that the grandfather of James Sacket, born 1804 ( Sackett Family DNA Project; New Haven Chart 2), is previously identified as Jonathan Sackett (M33160) who died 1798 for our Sackett Family records, and that his “natural” child, born 1766, (mother Mary Ford) is the Jonathan Sacket who married Lucinda Plumb, 25 June, 1802 and were parents of Daniel Sacket born 1803, James born 1804, and Isaac born 1806. >> >> Looks like; >> >> 1. John & Hannah Smith Sackett >> >> 2. Jonathan d 1798 m Miss________ >> >> 3. Jonathan, b 1766 >> >> 4. Gad renamed James b 1804 >> >> 5. James b 1837 >> >> 6. Will b 1868 and brother Josiah b 1880 >> >> 7. Claude b 1900 and cousin Viola b 1915 >> >> >> >> Will this “fly” with any Sackett researchers? >> >> Glenna Hertzler >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> The Sackett Family Association website is at http://www.sackettfamily.info/. >> >> To contact the Sackett List Admin, send a message to SACKETT-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> See list information and search the archives at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/s/sackett.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SACKETT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > The Sackett Family Association website is at http://www.sackettfamily.info/. > > To contact the Sackett List Admin, send a message to SACKETT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > See list information and search the archives at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/s/sackett.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SACKETT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glenna, I agree that the Jonathan Sackett who married Lucinda/Lucinday Plumb was the father of sons, Daniel, Gad/James, and Isaac. However, I believe that Jonathan died, or divorced/deserted, Lucinda after Isaac was born. There are three reasons for this belief. 1) According to Weygant, a Rev. Baldwin was a guardian for Gad and renamed him James. There would have been no reason for Rev. Baldwin to have been his guardian if Jonathan Sackett was still involved with the family. 2) In her 1839 letter to James, his mother, Lucinda, says; "Isaac is Married and has a large family he is poor and has to work very hard for a living. I dont feel as though I could make it my home with him to be one more on his hands I have always lived out in some family until I am worn out with hard work. I am now with my Sister your Aunt Susan. I presume you do not remember any of your relations, this Sister I am with is all I have living now." This indicates that Lucinda had been living in other households, working as a servant for years. She was now living with her sister, Susan. This indicates that Jonathan was not involved with her, probably dead. Lucinda's sister Susan presents a little problem. The records I have found for the family of John Still Plumb, has Joel and Lucinda listed, but no daughter named Susan. There was Elizabeth, b. 1775, Frances, b. 1782 and Sarah, b. 1790. It is possible that Sarah was known as Susan. Thus far, I have found nothing to indicate who the parents of Jonathan Sackett, husband of Lucinda Plumb, might have been. 3) When Lucinda wrote the 1839 letter, she was living in New Haven, not Milford where "old" Mrs. Jonathan Sackett died. Now, concerning the Jonathan Sackett who died in Milford in 1849; I have seen his age at death given as 85, 87, 88, and 89. He is listed in the census as a resident of Milford in 1820 and 1830. I haven't been able to find him listed in the 1840 census. In 1820, he and his wife are listed as age 45+ [born before 1775]. In the 1830 census they are both listed as age 60-70 [born 1760-1770]. The age of his wife does not match that of Lucinda (Plumb) Sackett. So, who was the Jonathan Sackett in Milford, CT? See: http://www.sackettfamily.info/g6/p6563.htm http://sackettfamily.info/tekdatabase/g7/p7068.htm See also: The abstract of William Sackett's will at: http://sackettfamily.info/tekdatabase/g7/p7045.htm Chris has a bit more information for him than I had in the database. However, I have added some census information for Jonathan and his brother Daniel who was in Milford, CT before Jonathan arrived. In 1800 and 1810, Jonathan was living in Newtown, Queens, NY: 1800 > NEW YORK > QUEENS > NEWTOWN Series: M32 Roll: 25 Page: 62 SACKET, JONATHAN Census: 210 10 - 110 11 Sackett, Jonathan 1810 > NEW YORK > QUEENS > NEWTOWN Series: M252 Roll: 34 Page: 150 Census: 302 01 - 111 10 Sackett, Jonathan 1820 > CONNECTICUT > NEW HAVEN > MILFORD Series: M33 Roll: 3 Page: 119 Census: 000 001 - 000 01 Sackett, Daniel 1820 > CONNECTICUT > NEW HAVEN > MILFORD Series: M33 Roll: 3 Page: 121 Census: 110 001 - 000 01 Daniel and his wife, Martha Green had no children so it is not clear who the two young males are. Jonathan's brother, Daniel, died in 1822 in Milford so his widow Martha is listed in 1830 and 1840: 1830 Sackett, Martha Year: 1830; State: CT; County: New Haven; Township: Milford Roll: M19_9 Page: 287 Census: 000 000 000 000 0 - 000 000 100 100 0 Sackett, Jonathan Year: 1830; State: CT; County: New Haven; Township: Milford Roll: M19_9 Page: 293 Census: 000 000 001 000 0 - 000 000 001 000 0 1840 Sacket, Martha Year: 1840; State: CT; County: New Haven; Township: Milford Roll: M704_28 Page: 289 Census: 000 000 000 000 0 - 000 000 000 010 0 As stated above, I was not able to find Jonathan in the 1840 census. However, it appears that it was his wife, Sarah (Banks) Sackett who died in 1842 and Jonathan died in 1849. Both in Milford, New Haven, CT. ------ May 25, 1849 Boston Evening Transcript, Massachusetts Deaths At Milford, Mr. Jonathan Sackett, a revolutionary soldier, 89 [possibly a transcription error]. ------ http://www.sackettfamily.info/g6/p6563.htm "Historical Newspapers, Birth, Marriage, & Death Announcements, 1851–2003", digital image, Ancestry.com (http://search.ancestry.co.uk), Hartford Daily Courant, Hartford, Ct, 23 May 1849, "Deaths—At Milford, Mr. Jonathan Sackett, aged 88—a revolutionary soldier." Jonathan Sackett was born 22 Sep 1761. Subtracting 1761 from 1849 gives 88 years. However, I saw one record that gives his date of death as 18 May 1849 with the 23 and 25 May being the publication date of the newspapers named. That calculates to him being age 87 years, 7 months, 26-31 days, at the time of his death. He had lived 87 years and could have been considered as being in his 88th year. Thurmon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenna Hertzler" <ghertzl@sbcglobal.net> To: <sackett@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: [SACKETT] Jonathan Sackett died 1798 Jonathan Sackett ( -1798), s of John and Hannah (Smith)Sackett; m______________, 7 children (Jacobus, v7, p 1584) WHAT IF, We know that John and Hannah Smith married 29 November 1721. (TK database) So, they may have had a child born sometime in 1722? They do have a first child named Jonathan. We know that Jonathan Sackett ( -1798) had a natural (illegitimate) child born in 1766. He also had seven other children, the oldest birthdate of the seven listed is 1767. We know that the name of the natural child’s mother was Mary Ford. (Families of Ancient New Haven, vol 1, page 243, 247, War Service Records) Jonathan ( -1798) died when his natural child was 32 years old. I am going to give the natural child (born 1766), who to this point has no assigned name, the name Jonathan after his father. I believe that it is possible that Jonathan, natural child, age 36 is the same Jonathan Sackett who married Lucinda Plumb in 1802 when she was almost 17 years old. (There is also a Jonathan Sackett in this area who died young who could be a possible father of three children who died? but I believe he was only 17 when he died.) Sometime soon after the 1802 marriage Jonathan and Lucinda had a male child (Daniel) and 10 months later in 1804 another male child whom they named Gad. And by 1806 a third male child named Isaac. For whatever reason the father Jonathan seems to not have supported the mother and three young boys. So, the middle child Gad was bound out to a Baldwin family to raise. Lucinda was still living but must have been deserted/divorced from her husband if he was still living? The Baldwins changed Gad’s name to James. There are no official records for this but we do have a handwritten family note stating this fact. (See TK’s database, M 205, James Sacket) After some time with the Baldwins it appears that (Gad) James ended up living with perhaps a Sackett relative (named Joel?) in New York State. The handed down family story is that in the year 1819 some sea captains came by the home where he was and offered him the job of helping them go west to Illinois. (Gad) James was 15 years old at the time and it was said that his “Dad” didn’t like letting him go but felt that there was more opportunity in going west. Lucinda Sackett had no contact with (Gad) James until 35 years later in 1839. According to her letter of that date both her other sons, Daniel and Isaac, lived near her in New Haven. James began to look back East for his family. He wrote a letter to Daniel who never answered. (Later James found out that Daniel could not write.) James also wrote to his Uncle Joel who did write? Or Joel was in touch with Lucinda, and Lucinda saw the letter and was confused and upset about what Joel had said about her?In 1839 James received a letter from his mother, Lucinda Sackett, in which she introduced herself, talked about his brothers and asked for a response. Then what happened? Connecticut Private Records, New Haven Co, Deaths & Marriages, 1826-1883; “old” Mrs. Jonathan Sackett, d Dec 1, 1842. Daniel and Isaac and their families moved to Illinois about 1842. Our Lucinda would have been; 57 years old, if? b July 22, 1785 d Dec 1, 1842 Jonathan Sackett was born ca 1764 and died Milford 18 May 1849 ae 85, “New Haven Daily Register” says he was a Revolutionary War soldier and died in Milford. He married 25 June 1802 (MC1) Lucinda Plumb dau of John Still Plumb. With this information I am proposing that the grandfather of James Sacket, born 1804 ( Sackett Family DNA Project; New Haven Chart 2), is previously identified as Jonathan Sackett (M33160) who died 1798 for our Sackett Family records, and that his “natural” child, born 1766, (mother Mary Ford) is the Jonathan Sacket who married Lucinda Plumb, 25 June, 1802 and were parents of Daniel Sacket born 1803, James born 1804, and Isaac born 1806. Looks like; 1. John & Hannah Smith Sackett 2. Jonathan d 1798 m Miss________ 3. Jonathan, b 1766 4. Gad renamed James b 1804 5. James b 1837 6. Will b 1868 and brother Josiah b 1880 7. Claude b 1900 and cousin Viola b 1915 Will this “fly” with any Sackett researchers? Glenna Hertzler