Thurmon, Thank you so much for your input, I appreciate your thorough approach! Don and I look forward to seeing you again in Westfield. Glenna On Sep 1, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Thurmon wrote: > Glenna, > > I agree that the Jonathan Sackett who married Lucinda/Lucinday Plumb was the > father of sons, Daniel, Gad/James, and Isaac. However, I believe that > Jonathan died, or divorced/deserted, Lucinda after Isaac was born. There are > three reasons for this belief. > > 1) According to Weygant, a Rev. Baldwin was a guardian for Gad and renamed > him James. There would have been no reason for Rev. Baldwin to have been his > guardian if Jonathan Sackett was still involved with the family. > > 2) In her 1839 letter to James, his mother, Lucinda, says; "Isaac is Married > and has a large family he is poor and has to work very hard for a living. I > dont feel as though I could make it my home with him to be one more on his > hands I have always lived out in some family until I am worn out with hard > work. I am now with my Sister your Aunt Susan. I presume you do not remember > any of your relations, this Sister I am with is all I have living now." This > indicates that Lucinda had been living in other households, working as a > servant for years. She was now living with her sister, Susan. This indicates > that Jonathan was not involved with her, probably dead. Lucinda's sister > Susan presents a little problem. The records I have found for the family of > John Still Plumb, has Joel and Lucinda listed, but no daughter named Susan. > There was Elizabeth, b. 1775, Frances, b. 1782 and Sarah, b. 1790. It is > possible that Sarah was known as Susan. > > Thus far, I have found nothing to indicate who the parents of Jonathan > Sackett, husband of Lucinda Plumb, might have been. > > 3) When Lucinda wrote the 1839 letter, she was living in New Haven, not > Milford where "old" Mrs. Jonathan Sackett died. > > Now, concerning the Jonathan Sackett who died in Milford in 1849; I have > seen his age at death given as 85, 87, 88, and 89. He is listed in the > census as a resident of Milford in 1820 and 1830. I haven't been able to > find him listed in the 1840 census. In 1820, he and his wife are listed as > age 45+ [born before 1775]. In the 1830 census they are both listed as age > 60-70 [born 1760-1770]. The age of his wife does not match that of Lucinda > (Plumb) Sackett. > > So, who was the Jonathan Sackett in Milford, CT? See: > http://www.sackettfamily.info/g6/p6563.htm > http://sackettfamily.info/tekdatabase/g7/p7068.htm > See also: The abstract of William Sackett's will at: > http://sackettfamily.info/tekdatabase/g7/p7045.htm > > Chris has a bit more information for him than I had in the database. > However, I have added some census information for Jonathan and his brother > Daniel who was in Milford, CT before Jonathan arrived. In 1800 and 1810, > Jonathan was living in Newtown, Queens, NY: > > 1800 > NEW YORK > QUEENS > NEWTOWN > Series: M32 Roll: 25 Page: 62 > SACKET, JONATHAN > Census: 210 10 - 110 11 > > Sackett, Jonathan > 1810 > NEW YORK > QUEENS > NEWTOWN > Series: M252 Roll: 34 Page: 150 > Census: 302 01 - 111 10 > > Sackett, Jonathan > 1820 > CONNECTICUT > NEW HAVEN > MILFORD > Series: M33 Roll: 3 Page: 119 > Census: 000 001 - 000 01 > > Sackett, Daniel > 1820 > CONNECTICUT > NEW HAVEN > MILFORD > Series: M33 Roll: 3 Page: 121 > Census: 110 001 - 000 01 > Daniel and his wife, Martha Green had no children so it is not clear who the > two young males are. > > Jonathan's brother, Daniel, died in 1822 in Milford so his widow Martha is > listed in 1830 and 1840: > > 1830 > Sackett, Martha > Year: 1830; State: CT; County: New Haven; Township: Milford > Roll: M19_9 Page: 287 > Census: 000 000 000 000 0 - 000 000 100 100 0 > > Sackett, Jonathan > Year: 1830; State: CT; County: New Haven; Township: Milford > Roll: M19_9 Page: 293 > Census: 000 000 001 000 0 - 000 000 001 000 0 > > 1840 > Sacket, Martha > Year: 1840; State: CT; County: New Haven; Township: Milford > Roll: M704_28 Page: 289 > Census: 000 000 000 000 0 - 000 000 000 010 0 > > As stated above, I was not able to find Jonathan in the 1840 census. > However, it appears that it was his wife, Sarah (Banks) Sackett who died in > 1842 and Jonathan died in 1849. Both in Milford, New Haven, CT. > ------ > May 25, 1849 Boston Evening Transcript, Massachusetts > Deaths > At Milford, Mr. Jonathan Sackett, a revolutionary soldier, 89 [possibly a > transcription error]. > ------ > http://www.sackettfamily.info/g6/p6563.htm > > "Historical Newspapers, Birth, Marriage, & Death Announcements, 1851–2003", > digital image, Ancestry.com (http://search.ancestry.co.uk), Hartford Daily > Courant, Hartford, Ct, 23 May 1849, "Deaths—At Milford, Mr. Jonathan > Sackett, aged 88—a revolutionary soldier." > > Jonathan Sackett was born 22 Sep 1761. Subtracting 1761 from 1849 gives 88 > years. However, I saw one record that gives his date of death as 18 May 1849 > with the 23 and 25 May being the publication date of the newspapers named. > That calculates to him being age 87 years, 7 months, 26-31 days, at the time > of his death. He had lived 87 years and could have been considered as being > in his 88th year. > > Thurmon > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Glenna Hertzler" <ghertzl@sbcglobal.net> > To: <sackett@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:16 AM > Subject: [SACKETT] Jonathan Sackett died 1798 > > > Jonathan Sackett ( -1798), s of John and Hannah (Smith)Sackett; > > m______________, 7 children > > (Jacobus, v7, p 1584) > > > > WHAT IF, > > We know that John and Hannah Smith married 29 November 1721. (TK database) > > So, they may have had a child born sometime in 1722? They do have a first > child named Jonathan. > > We know that Jonathan Sackett ( -1798) had a natural (illegitimate) > child born in 1766. He also had seven other children, the oldest birthdate > of the seven listed is 1767. > > We know that the name of the natural child’s mother was Mary Ford. (Families > of Ancient New Haven, vol 1, page 243, 247, War Service Records) > > Jonathan ( -1798) died when his natural child was 32 years old. > > I am going to give the natural child (born 1766), who to this point has no > assigned name, the name Jonathan after his father. > > I believe that it is possible that Jonathan, natural child, age 36 is the > same Jonathan Sackett who married Lucinda Plumb in 1802 when she was almost > 17 years old. (There is also a Jonathan Sackett in this area who died young > who could be a possible father of three children who died? but I believe he > was only 17 when he died.) > > Sometime soon after the 1802 marriage Jonathan and Lucinda had a male child > (Daniel) and 10 months later in 1804 another male child whom they named Gad. > And by 1806 a third male child named Isaac. For whatever reason the father > Jonathan seems to not have supported the mother and three young boys. So, > the middle child Gad was bound out to a Baldwin family to raise. Lucinda was > still living but must have been deserted/divorced from her husband if he was > still living? > > The Baldwins changed Gad’s name to James. There are no official records for > this but we do have a handwritten family note stating this fact. (See TK’s > database, M 205, James Sacket) > > After some time with the Baldwins it appears that (Gad) James ended up > living with perhaps a Sackett relative (named Joel?) in New York State. The > handed down family story is that in the year 1819 some sea captains came by > the home where he was and offered him the job of helping them go west to > Illinois. (Gad) James was 15 years old at the time and it was said that his > “Dad” didn’t like letting him go but felt that there was more opportunity in > going west. > > Lucinda Sackett had no contact with (Gad) James until 35 years later in > 1839. According to her letter of that date both her other sons, Daniel and > Isaac, lived near her in New Haven. > > James began to look back East for his family. He wrote a letter to Daniel > who never answered. (Later James found out that Daniel could not write.) > > James also wrote to his Uncle Joel who did write? Or Joel was in touch with > Lucinda, and Lucinda saw the letter and was confused and upset about what > Joel had said about her?In 1839 James received a letter from his mother, > Lucinda Sackett, in which she introduced herself, talked about his brothers > and asked for a response. > > Then what happened? > > Connecticut Private Records, New Haven Co, Deaths & Marriages, 1826-1883; > “old” Mrs. Jonathan Sackett, d Dec 1, 1842. > > Daniel and Isaac and their families moved to Illinois about 1842. > > Our Lucinda would have been; 57 years old, if? > > b July 22, 1785 d Dec 1, 1842 > > Jonathan Sackett was born ca 1764 and died Milford 18 May 1849 ae 85, “New > Haven Daily Register” says he was a Revolutionary War soldier and died in > Milford. He married 25 June 1802 (MC1) Lucinda Plumb dau of John Still > Plumb. > > With this information I am proposing that the grandfather of James Sacket, > born 1804 ( Sackett Family DNA Project; New Haven Chart 2), is previously > identified as Jonathan Sackett (M33160) who died 1798 for our Sackett Family > records, and that his “natural” child, born 1766, (mother Mary Ford) is the > Jonathan Sacket who married Lucinda Plumb, 25 June, 1802 and were parents of > Daniel Sacket born 1803, James born 1804, and Isaac born 1806. > > Looks like; > > 1. John & Hannah Smith Sackett > > 2. Jonathan d 1798 m Miss________ > > 3. Jonathan, b 1766 > > 4. Gad renamed James b 1804 > > 5. James b 1837 > > 6. Will b 1868 and brother Josiah b 1880 > > 7. Claude b 1900 and cousin Viola b 1915 > > > > Will this “fly” with any Sackett researchers? > > Glenna Hertzler > > ------------------------------- > The Sackett Family Association website is at http://www.sackettfamily.info/. > > To contact the Sackett List Admin, send a message to SACKETT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > See list information and search the archives at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/s/sackett.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SACKETT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message