Liesa sent me copies ot the three pages of the file for Zelotus/Zelotas Sackett. And it doesn't help very much. It is primarily a document settling up his pay for his service in Company commanded by Capt. Leonard Kellogg part of the Manlius Rifle Batalion of Militia commanded by Maj. Charles Mosely. It is dated 26 Sep 1859 and states the Zelotas is 72 years old. He had a Land Warrant #16532 for 80 acres. He signed his name as ZELOTAS SACKETT It is not clear that Zelotas ever claimed his 80 acres and a search of the probate court index in Ontario Co. gives no listing for Zelotas [or Simon/Simon Z.] so I'm not sure that we will find anything concerning his estate at the time of his death. I also searched for Sarah Johnson and found no probate record for her estate. The only Sarah Johnson listed was for 1914. So, unless there was a long delay in settling things, that would not be her ... considering she was listed as age 57 in 1850. The fact that Zelotas served in the Manlius Rifle would indicate that he was in Onondaga Co., NY in 1812. We know that 634-Joseph was in Onondaga Co. for the 1810 census with two sons age 16-25. That his son, Joseph, jr. married Phylinda Cleveland there in 1814 and then all three of them [Joseph, Joseph, jr., and Zelotas] appear in the 1820 census for Ontario Co., NY. The census data with the military file of Zelotas give a strong indication that Zelotas was a son of 634-Joseph. And the 1820 - 1840 censuses give an indication that Orlen/Orlin/Orland could be the son of Zelotas. 1820 the household of Zelotas has: 1 M under 10 = ? 1 M 26-45 = Zelotas (b. abt 1788) 1 F26-45 = Sabrina (b. 1795) 1830 the household of Zelotas has: 1 m under 5 1 M 5-10 = ?Orlin (b. 1824) 1 M 10-15 = ? (b. 1815-1820) 1 M 20-30 [this appears to be an error should be age 40-50] Zelotas 1 F 20-30 1 F 30-40 = Sabrina (b. 1795) 1 F50-60 1840 the household of Zelotas has: 1 M 10-15 = ? 1 M 15-20 = ?Orlen (b. 1824) 1 M 20-30 = ? (b. 1810-1820) according to the 1830 census; b. 1815-1820 1 M 50-60 = Zelotas (b. abt 1788) 1 F 1-10 1 F 10-15 1 F 40-50 = Sabrina (b. 1795) By 1850 Orlen/Orlin is married to Lucinda Johnson and near by, Zelotas is living in the household of Sarah Johnson who is the widow of Daniel Johnson who d. 1841. She is possibly [probably] the mother of Lucinda Johnson. Now, to get off onto another tangent ... I've seen queries posted on GenForum concerning another orphan Sackett, viz., Nathaniel B. Sackett. As is the case with many of the Sacketts who come from NY it has been said that he descended from the family who founded Sackets Harbor in NY but this is very doubtful. Nathaniel B. first appears in the 1850 census: State: WI; County: Dodge; Township: Chester Roll: M432_996 Page: 38 538/559 Sackett, Nathaniel B. 33 m farmer NY [Sackett], Agnes 31 f SCOT Sackett, Henry 7 m NY Sackett, Cyrus 11/12 NY In the 1860 Census; STATE: Wisconsin COUNTY: Fond du Lac DIVISION: Town of Alto REEL NO: M653-1407 PAGE NO: 70 REFERENCE: Enumerated on 23 June, 1860 by A.C. Robbins; Post Office: Black Hawk; SHEET NO: 184 14 532 532 Sackett N.B. 43 M Farmer 2,000 530 New York 15 532 532 Sackett Agnes 42 F Scotland 16 532 532 Sackett Cyrus 11 M New York X 17 532 532 Sackett James 9 M Wisconsin X REMARKS: Idiotic 18 532 532 Sackett Allen 5 M Wisconsin X 19 532 53 Sackett Robert 9/12 M Wisconsin 1880 census; Pleasant Grove, Olmsted, Minnesota Film T9-0628 Page 352B N.B. SACKET Self M M W 63 NY Farmer MA NY Agness SACKET Wife F M W 61 SCOT Keeping House SCOT SCOT Ellen SACKET Dau F S W 25 WI At Home NY SCOT James SACKET Son M S W 29 WI At Home NY SCOT Robt. SACKET Son M S W 20 WI At Home NY SCOT Mary C. LAMBERT GDau F S W 17 WI ----------- NY ENG Winnie LAMBERT GDau F S W 7 MN ----------- ENG NY Now, if one goes back through the census data for the household of Zelotas and Sabrina Sackett ... This Nathaniel B. Sackett COULD be the male under 10 yrs in 1820, age 10-15 in 1830; age 20-30 in 1840. If this male is Nathaniel B. Sackett, he would have been married soon after the 1840 census and according to the 1850 WI census moved to Wisconsin after Cyrus was born in 1849 in NY, 11 months before the census. It is said that Nathaniel B.'s name was Nathaniel Baldwin Sackett. It is interesting to note that 155-Hannah Sackett and her husband, Maj. Isaac Baldwin Jr. died in Pompey, Onondaga Co., NY. So then, IF Nathaniel B.'s middle name was Baldwin he could have been named after Maj. Isaac Baldwin, jr. not becasue they were closely related, but because of the primonance of Maj. Baldwin. It is also interesting to note that Nathaniel B. Sackett and Orlin Sackett both were in Olmsted Co., MN in the 1880 Census. Thurmon On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:54:50 -0400 HK2016@netscape.net writes: > Thurmon, > > Sorry about the extra not. > > The census transcription at the Ontario County sight for 1860 only > gave name and page number. If someone could find an original copy > of the page, we could see if Sarah and Lucy are listed consecutively. > > I remember one of Dad's cousins saying that Lucy had sent George a > paper to sign so she could settle her grandparents estate. How > would I go about finding probate records? > > Karen > "Thurmon E. King" <thurmonking@juno.com> wrote: > > >Karen: > > > >I think you tried to confuse us in your second paragraph by putting > an > >extra "not" into the puzzle. (:>) > > > >The death certificate for Orland/Orlen Sackett's son George does > give the > >maiden name of George's mother as Johnson. Could it be that someone > >along the line assumed that because George's middle name was Steven > that > >it had a connection to his mother's maiden name? > > > >The census and cemetery information from Ontario Co., NY does prove > to be > >quite interesting. And when we consider the possibility that Sarah > >Johnson was Lucinda's mother; and that Zelotus Sackett was in > Sarah's > >household in the 1850 census; it lends a little bit more credence > to my > >theory that Zelotus might be the father of Orland/Orlin. > > > >It would be interesting to see if Lucy Sackett and Sarah Johnson > were in > >the same household in the 1860 census. If they were, that would > come > >close to confirming the connection. > > > >Thurmon > > > >On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:56:52 -0400 HK2016@netscape.net writes: > >> Why I now believe that Orland/Orlin Sackett's wife was Lucinda > >> Johnson: > >> > >> Pam sent for George Sackett's death certificate and gave me a > copy. > >> It lists his mothers maiden name as not Johnson, not Stevens as > we > >> thought. > >> > >> I was looking over old List email about our family and came > across > >> this one from Thurmon; Subject: [SACKETT-L] Revisiting Sacketts > of > >> Ontario Co., NY, Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003, From: > >> thurmonking@netscape.net that included the following, "In 1850 > Orlen > >> Sackett is listed as being 26 years old which indicated that he > was > >> born about 1824 in NY. Two households away in the household of > >> Sarah Johnson age 57, there is a Lotas/Lotus Sackett age 62 (b. > abt > >> 1788) listed." This got me thinking about Sarah Johnson. Then I > >> started looking at census and cemetery records for Ontario County. > >> > >> The 1855 census also lists Orlin's family and Sarah Johnson on > the > >> same page. By 1860, Lucinda would have been deceased and Orlin > had > >> moved to Goodhue County, Minnesota with his younger children. > Lucy, > >> supposedly, stayed in New York with her grandparents. > >> > >> The 1860 census for Ontario County still lists Lucy Sackett and > >> Sarah Johnson. They are on the same page and possibly in the > same > >> household. > >> They are no longer listed together in 1865 because Lucy was > married > >> to Charles Briggs by then. > >> > >> In Fairview Cemetery, Naples, Ontario, New York, we find Lucinda > >> Sackett and her parents, Sarah and Daniel Johnson (and, perhaps, > her > >> inlaws). > >> JOHNSON > >> Sarah, wife of Daniel; died Nov 7 1865; ae 73 yrs; > >> Jeremiah W.; died Dec 30 1852; ae 27-6-8 > >> Daniel; died Apr 27 1841; in his 51st year; > >> SACKETT > >> Sabrina, wife of Zelotus; died Feb 15 1843; ae 48 yrs; > >> Lucinda, wife of Orlin; died Oct 23 1856; ae 29-10-6; > >> Zelotus; War of 1812 > >> > >> Lucy Sackett Briggs was buried in Roseridge Cemetery, Naples, > >> Ontario, New York. > >> Last Name First Maiden b-yr d-yr notes > >> Briggs Carrie 1867 dau of Chas > T. > >> & Lucy > >> Briggs Sarah 1857 1948 2d wife of > >> Charles T. > >> Briggs Lucy Sackett 1846 1885 Wfe of > Charles > >> T. > >> Briggs N. Eugene 1872 son of Chas > T. > >> & Lucy > >> Briggs Charles T. 1840 1912 > >> > >> Well, that's my case. I would love to be able to confirm it, but > it > >> looks reasonable. ---Karen > >> > >> __________________________________________________________________ > >> McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > >> Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free > >> trial today! > >> > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > >> > >> Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. 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Thurmon I am not sure if you are aware of the following but I meant to mention it before. While I was in NY I found out that every township has a town historian (by law). The town historian has more information on different individuals who lived in the area. I did not know where to look of Zelotus/Zelotas but this is the link to the Wayne Co list of historians http://www.waynecountyny.org/resources/local_historians.asp I am sure there is one for each county. We found a lot of good stuff on some our ancestors while we were running around, but others there was nothing on. Liesa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thurmon E. King" <thurmonking@juno.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Orlin Sackett's Wife > Liesa sent me copies ot the three pages of the file for Zelotus/Zelotas > Sackett. And it doesn't help very much. > > It is primarily a document settling up his pay for his service in Company > commanded by Capt. Leonard Kellogg part of the Manlius Rifle Batalion of > Militia commanded by Maj. Charles Mosely. > > It is dated 26 Sep 1859 and states the Zelotas is 72 years old. > He had a Land Warrant #16532 for 80 acres. > He signed his name as ZELOTAS SACKETT > > It is not clear that Zelotas ever claimed his 80 acres and a search of > the probate court index in Ontario Co. gives no listing for Zelotas [or > Simon/Simon Z.] so I'm not sure that we will find anything concerning his > estate at the time of his death. I also searched for Sarah Johnson and > found no probate record for her estate. The only Sarah Johnson listed > was for 1914. So, unless there was a long delay in settling things, that > would not be her ... considering she was listed as age 57 in 1850. > > The fact that Zelotas served in the Manlius Rifle would indicate that he > was in Onondaga Co., NY in 1812. We know that 634-Joseph was in Onondaga > Co. for the 1810 census with two sons age 16-25. That his son, Joseph, > jr. married Phylinda Cleveland there in 1814 and then all three of them > [Joseph, Joseph, jr., and Zelotas] appear in the 1820 census for Ontario > Co., NY. > > The census data with the military file of Zelotas give a strong > indication that Zelotas was a son of 634-Joseph. And the 1820 - 1840 > censuses give an indication that Orlen/Orlin/Orland could be the son of > Zelotas. > 1820 the household of Zelotas has: > 1 M under 10 = ? > 1 M 26-45 = Zelotas (b. abt 1788) > 1 F26-45 = Sabrina (b. 1795) > > 1830 the household of Zelotas has: > 1 m under 5 > 1 M 5-10 = ?Orlin (b. 1824) > 1 M 10-15 = ? (b. 1815-1820) > 1 M 20-30 [this appears to be an error should be age 40-50] Zelotas > 1 F 20-30 > 1 F 30-40 = Sabrina (b. 1795) > 1 F50-60 > > 1840 the household of Zelotas has: > 1 M 10-15 = ? > 1 M 15-20 = ?Orlen (b. 1824) > 1 M 20-30 = ? (b. 1810-1820) according to the 1830 census; b. 1815-1820 > 1 M 50-60 = Zelotas (b. abt 1788) > 1 F 1-10 > 1 F 10-15 > 1 F 40-50 = Sabrina (b. 1795) > > By 1850 Orlen/Orlin is married to Lucinda Johnson and near by, Zelotas is > living in the household of Sarah Johnson who is the widow of Daniel > Johnson who d. 1841. She is possibly [probably] the mother of Lucinda > Johnson. > > Now, to get off onto another tangent ... I've seen queries posted on > GenForum concerning another orphan Sackett, viz., Nathaniel B. Sackett. > As is the case with many of the Sacketts who come from NY it has been > said that he descended from the family who founded Sackets Harbor in NY > but this is very doubtful. > Nathaniel B. first appears in the > 1850 census: State: WI; County: Dodge; Township: Chester > Roll: M432_996 Page: 38 > 538/559 > Sackett, Nathaniel B. 33 m farmer NY > [Sackett], Agnes 31 f SCOT > Sackett, Henry 7 m NY > Sackett, Cyrus 11/12 NY > > In the 1860 Census; STATE: Wisconsin COUNTY: Fond du Lac DIVISION: > Town of Alto REEL NO: M653-1407 PAGE NO: 70 > REFERENCE: Enumerated on 23 June, 1860 by A.C. Robbins; Post Office: > Black Hawk; SHEET NO: 184 > 14 532 532 Sackett N.B. 43 M Farmer > 2,000 530 New York > 15 532 532 Sackett Agnes 42 F > Scotland > 16 532 532 Sackett Cyrus 11 M > New York X > 17 532 532 Sackett James 9 M > Wisconsin X > REMARKS: Idiotic > 18 532 532 Sackett Allen 5 M > Wisconsin X > 19 532 53 Sackett Robert 9/12 M > Wisconsin > > 1880 census; Pleasant Grove, Olmsted, Minnesota Film T9-0628 Page > 352B > N.B. SACKET Self M M W 63 NY Farmer MA NY > Agness SACKET Wife F M W 61 SCOT Keeping House SCOT SCOT > Ellen SACKET Dau F S W 25 WI At Home NY SCOT > James SACKET Son M S W 29 WI At Home NY SCOT > Robt. SACKET Son M S W 20 WI At Home NY SCOT > Mary C. LAMBERT GDau F S W 17 WI ----------- NY ENG > Winnie LAMBERT GDau F S W 7 MN ----------- ENG NY > > Now, if one goes back through the census data for the household of > Zelotas and Sabrina Sackett ... This Nathaniel B. Sackett COULD be the > male under 10 yrs in 1820, age 10-15 in 1830; age 20-30 in 1840. If this > male is Nathaniel B. Sackett, he would have been married soon after the > 1840 census and according to the 1850 WI census moved to Wisconsin after > Cyrus was born in 1849 in NY, 11 months before the census. > > It is said that Nathaniel B.'s name was Nathaniel Baldwin Sackett. It is > interesting to note that 155-Hannah Sackett and her husband, Maj. Isaac > Baldwin Jr. died in Pompey, Onondaga Co., NY. So then, IF Nathaniel B.'s > middle name was Baldwin he could have been named after Maj. Isaac > Baldwin, jr. not becasue they were closely related, but because of the > primonance of Maj. Baldwin. > > It is also interesting to note that Nathaniel B. Sackett and Orlin > Sackett both were in Olmsted Co., MN in the 1880 Census. > > Thurmon > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:54:50 -0400 HK2016@netscape.net writes: > > Thurmon, > > > > Sorry about the extra not. > > > > The census transcription at the Ontario County sight for 1860 only > > gave name and page number. If someone could find an original copy > > of the page, we could see if Sarah and Lucy are listed consecutively. > > > > I remember one of Dad's cousins saying that Lucy had sent George a > > paper to sign so she could settle her grandparents estate. How > > would I go about finding probate records? > > > > Karen > > "Thurmon E. King" <thurmonking@juno.com> wrote: > > > > >Karen: > > > > > >I think you tried to confuse us in your second paragraph by putting > > an > > >extra "not" into the puzzle. (:>) > > > > > >The death certificate for Orland/Orlen Sackett's son George does > > give the > > >maiden name of George's mother as Johnson. Could it be that someone > > >along the line assumed that because George's middle name was Steven > > that > > >it had a connection to his mother's maiden name? > > > > > >The census and cemetery information from Ontario Co., NY does prove > > to be > > >quite interesting. And when we consider the possibility that Sarah > > >Johnson was Lucinda's mother; and that Zelotus Sackett was in > > Sarah's > > >household in the 1850 census; it lends a little bit more credence > > to my > > >theory that Zelotus might be the father of Orland/Orlin. > > > > > >It would be interesting to see if Lucy Sackett and Sarah Johnson > > were in > > >the same household in the 1860 census. If they were, that would > > come > > >close to confirming the connection. > > > > > >Thurmon > > > > > >On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:56:52 -0400 HK2016@netscape.net writes: > > >> Why I now believe that Orland/Orlin Sackett's wife was Lucinda > > >> Johnson: > > >> > > >> Pam sent for George Sackett's death certificate and gave me a > > copy. > > >> It lists his mothers maiden name as not Johnson, not Stevens as > > we > > >> thought. > > >> > > >> I was looking over old List email about our family and came > > across > > >> this one from Thurmon; Subject: [SACKETT-L] Revisiting Sacketts > > of > > >> Ontario Co., NY, Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003, From: > > >> thurmonking@netscape.net that included the following, "In 1850 > > Orlen > > >> Sackett is listed as being 26 years old which indicated that he > > was > > >> born about 1824 in NY. Two households away in the household of > > >> Sarah Johnson age 57, there is a Lotas/Lotus Sackett age 62 (b. > > abt > > >> 1788) listed." This got me thinking about Sarah Johnson. Then I > > >> started looking at census and cemetery records for Ontario County. > > >> > > >> The 1855 census also lists Orlin's family and Sarah Johnson on > > the > > >> same page. By 1860, Lucinda would have been deceased and Orlin > > had > > >> moved to Goodhue County, Minnesota with his younger children. > > Lucy, > > >> supposedly, stayed in New York with her grandparents. > > >> > > >> The 1860 census for Ontario County still lists Lucy Sackett and > > >> Sarah Johnson. They are on the same page and possibly in the > > same > > >> household. > > >> They are no longer listed together in 1865 because Lucy was > > married > > >> to Charles Briggs by then. > > >> > > >> In Fairview Cemetery, Naples, Ontario, New York, we find Lucinda > > >> Sackett and her parents, Sarah and Daniel Johnson (and, perhaps, > > her > > >> inlaws). > > >> JOHNSON > > >> Sarah, wife of Daniel; died Nov 7 1865; ae 73 yrs; > > >> Jeremiah W.; died Dec 30 1852; ae 27-6-8 > > >> Daniel; died Apr 27 1841; in his 51st year; > > >> SACKETT > > >> Sabrina, wife of Zelotus; died Feb 15 1843; ae 48 yrs; > > >> Lucinda, wife of Orlin; died Oct 23 1856; ae 29-10-6; > > >> Zelotus; War of 1812 > > >> > > >> Lucy Sackett Briggs was buried in Roseridge Cemetery, Naples, > > >> Ontario, New York. > > >> Last Name First Maiden b-yr d-yr notes > > >> Briggs Carrie 1867 dau of Chas > > T. > > >> & Lucy > > >> Briggs Sarah 1857 1948 2d wife of > > >> Charles T. > > >> Briggs Lucy Sackett 1846 1885 Wfe of > > Charles > > >> T. > > >> Briggs N. Eugene 1872 son of Chas > > T. > > >> & Lucy > > >> Briggs Charles T. 1840 1912 > > >> > > >> Well, that's my case. I would love to be able to confirm it, but > > it > > >> looks reasonable. ---Karen > > >> > > >> __________________________________________________________________ > > >> McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > > >> Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free > > >> trial today! > > >> > > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > >> > > >> Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. 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For what it is worth..this looks like Zelotus in the 1860 census Cohocton, Steuben Co., NY, page 654, Aug 1860 household #127, family #119 Jas.R. Porter, age 27, born N.York Caroline M. " , age 22, " Eva W. " , age 2, " Viola E. " , age 7/12, " Zellatus Sackett, age 84, born Mass., Carpenter Louella -----Original Message----- From: Thurmon E. King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:52 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Orlin Sackett's Wife Liesa sent me copies ot the three pages of the file for Zelotus/Zelotas Sackett. And it doesn't help very much. It is primarily a document settling up his pay for his service in Company commanded by Capt. Leonard Kellogg part of the Manlius Rifle Batalion of Militia commanded by Maj. Charles Mosely. It is dated 26 Sep 1859 and states the Zelotas is 72 years old. He had a Land Warrant #16532 for 80 acres. He signed his name as ZELOTAS SACKETT It is not clear that Zelotas ever claimed his 80 acres and a search of the probate court index in Ontario Co. gives no listing for Zelotas [or Simon/Simon Z.] so I'm not sure that we will find anything concerning his estate at the time of his death. I also searched for Sarah Johnson and found no probate record for her estate. The only Sarah Johnson listed was for 1914. So, unless there was a long delay in settling things, that would not be her ... considering she was listed as age 57 in 1850. The fact that Zelotas served in the Manlius Rifle would indicate that he was in Onondaga Co., NY in 1812. We know that 634-Joseph was in Onondaga Co. for the 1810 census with two sons age 16-25. That his son, Joseph, jr. married Phylinda Cleveland there in 1814 and then all three of them [Joseph, Joseph, jr., and Zelotas] appear in the 1820 census for Ontario Co., NY. The census data with the military file of Zelotas give a strong indication that Zelotas was a son of 634-Joseph. And the 1820 - 1840 censuses give an indication that Orlen/Orlin/Orland could be the son of Zelotas. 1820 the household of Zelotas has: 1 M under 10 = ? 1 M 26-45 = Zelotas (b. abt 1788) 1 F26-45 = Sabrina (b. 1795) 1830 the household of Zelotas has: 1 m under 5 1 M 5-10 = ?Orlin (b. 1824) 1 M 10-15 = ? (b. 1815-1820) 1 M 20-30 [this appears to be an error should be age 40-50] Zelotas 1 F 20-30 1 F 30-40 = Sabrina (b. 1795) 1 F50-60 1840 the household of Zelotas has: 1 M 10-15 = ? 1 M 15-20 = ?Orlen (b. 1824) 1 M 20-30 = ? (b. 1810-1820) according to the 1830 census; b. 1815-1820 1 M 50-60 = Zelotas (b. abt 1788) 1 F 1-10 1 F 10-15 1 F 40-50 = Sabrina (b. 1795) By 1850 Orlen/Orlin is married to Lucinda Johnson and near by, Zelotas is living in the household of Sarah Johnson who is the widow of Daniel Johnson who d. 1841. She is possibly [probably] the mother of Lucinda Johnson. Now, to get off onto another tangent ... I've seen queries posted on GenForum concerning another orphan Sackett, viz., Nathaniel B. Sackett. As is the case with many of the Sacketts who come from NY it has been said that he descended from the family who founded Sackets Harbor in NY but this is very doubtful. Nathaniel B. first appears in the 1850 census: State: WI; County: Dodge; Township: Chester Roll: M432_996 Page: 38 538/559 Sackett, Nathaniel B. 33 m farmer NY [Sackett], Agnes 31 f SCOT Sackett, Henry 7 m NY Sackett, Cyrus 11/12 NY In the 1860 Census; STATE: Wisconsin COUNTY: Fond du Lac DIVISION: Town of Alto REEL NO: M653-1407 PAGE NO: 70 REFERENCE: Enumerated on 23 June, 1860 by A.C. Robbins; Post Office: Black Hawk; SHEET NO: 184 14 532 532 Sackett N.B. 43 M Farmer 2,000 530 New York 15 532 532 Sackett Agnes 42 F Scotland 16 532 532 Sackett Cyrus 11 M New York X 17 532 532 Sackett James 9 M Wisconsin X REMARKS: Idiotic 18 532 532 Sackett Allen 5 M Wisconsin X 19 532 53 Sackett Robert 9/12 M Wisconsin 1880 census; Pleasant Grove, Olmsted, Minnesota Film T9-0628 Page 352B N.B. SACKET Self M M W 63 NY Farmer MA NY Agness SACKET Wife F M W 61 SCOT Keeping House SCOT SCOT Ellen SACKET Dau F S W 25 WI At Home NY SCOT James SACKET Son M S W 29 WI At Home NY SCOT Robt. SACKET Son M S W 20 WI At Home NY SCOT Mary C. LAMBERT GDau F S W 17 WI ----------- NY ENG Winnie LAMBERT GDau F S W 7 MN ----------- ENG NY Now, if one goes back through the census data for the household of Zelotas and Sabrina Sackett ... This Nathaniel B. Sackett COULD be the male under 10 yrs in 1820, age 10-15 in 1830; age 20-30 in 1840. If this male is Nathaniel B. Sackett, he would have been married soon after the 1840 census and according to the 1850 WI census moved to Wisconsin after Cyrus was born in 1849 in NY, 11 months before the census. It is said that Nathaniel B.'s name was Nathaniel Baldwin Sackett. It is interesting to note that 155-Hannah Sackett and her husband, Maj. Isaac Baldwin Jr. died in Pompey, Onondaga Co., NY. So then, IF Nathaniel B.'s middle name was Baldwin he could have been named after Maj. Isaac Baldwin, jr. not becasue they were closely related, but because of the primonance of Maj. Baldwin. It is also interesting to note that Nathaniel B. Sackett and Orlin Sackett both were in Olmsted Co., MN in the 1880 Census. Thurmon On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:54:50 -0400 HK2016@netscape.net writes: > Thurmon, > > Sorry about the extra not. > > The census transcription at the Ontario County sight for 1860 only > gave name and page number. If someone could find an original copy > of the page, we could see if Sarah and Lucy are listed consecutively. > > I remember one of Dad's cousins saying that Lucy had sent George a > paper to sign so she could settle her grandparents estate. How > would I go about finding probate records? > > Karen > "Thurmon E. King" <thurmonking@juno.com> wrote: > > >Karen: > > > >I think you tried to confuse us in your second paragraph by putting > an > >extra "not" into the puzzle. (:>) > > > >The death certificate for Orland/Orlen Sackett's son George does > give the > >maiden name of George's mother as Johnson. Could it be that someone > >along the line assumed that because George's middle name was Steven > that > >it had a connection to his mother's maiden name? > > > >The census and cemetery information from Ontario Co., NY does prove > to be > >quite interesting. And when we consider the possibility that Sarah > >Johnson was Lucinda's mother; and that Zelotus Sackett was in > Sarah's > >household in the 1850 census; it lends a little bit more credence > to my > >theory that Zelotus might be the father of Orland/Orlin. > > > >It would be interesting to see if Lucy Sackett and Sarah Johnson > were in > >the same household in the 1860 census. If they were, that would > come > >close to confirming the connection. > > > >Thurmon > > > >On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:56:52 -0400 HK2016@netscape.net writes: > >> Why I now believe that Orland/Orlin Sackett's wife was Lucinda > >> Johnson: > >> > >> Pam sent for George Sackett's death certificate and gave me a > copy. > >> It lists his mothers maiden name as not Johnson, not Stevens as > we > >> thought. > >> > >> I was looking over old List email about our family and came > across > >> this one from Thurmon; Subject: [SACKETT-L] Revisiting Sacketts > of > >> Ontario Co., NY, Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003, From: > >> thurmonking@netscape.net that included the following, "In 1850 > Orlen > >> Sackett is listed as being 26 years old which indicated that he > was > >> born about 1824 in NY. Two households away in the household of > >> Sarah Johnson age 57, there is a Lotas/Lotus Sackett age 62 (b. > abt > >> 1788) listed." This got me thinking about Sarah Johnson. Then I > >> started looking at census and cemetery records for Ontario County. > >> > >> The 1855 census also lists Orlin's family and Sarah Johnson on > the > >> same page. By 1860, Lucinda would have been deceased and Orlin > had > >> moved to Goodhue County, Minnesota with his younger children. > Lucy, > >> supposedly, stayed in New York with her grandparents. > >> > >> The 1860 census for Ontario County still lists Lucy Sackett and > >> Sarah Johnson. They are on the same page and possibly in the > same > >> household. > >> They are no longer listed together in 1865 because Lucy was > married > >> to Charles Briggs by then. > >> > >> In Fairview Cemetery, Naples, Ontario, New York, we find Lucinda > >> Sackett and her parents, Sarah and Daniel Johnson (and, perhaps, > her > >> inlaws). > >> JOHNSON > >> Sarah, wife of Daniel; died Nov 7 1865; ae 73 yrs; > >> Jeremiah W.; died Dec 30 1852; ae 27-6-8 > >> Daniel; died Apr 27 1841; in his 51st year; > >> SACKETT > >> Sabrina, wife of Zelotus; died Feb 15 1843; ae 48 yrs; > >> Lucinda, wife of Orlin; died Oct 23 1856; ae 29-10-6; > >> Zelotus; War of 1812 > >> > >> Lucy Sackett Briggs was buried in Roseridge Cemetery, Naples, > >> Ontario, New York. > >> Last Name First Maiden b-yr d-yr notes > >> Briggs Carrie 1867 dau of Chas > T. > >> & Lucy > >> Briggs Sarah 1857 1948 2d wife of > >> Charles T. > >> Briggs Lucy Sackett 1846 1885 Wfe of > Charles > >> T. > >> Briggs N. Eugene 1872 son of Chas > T. > >> & Lucy > >> Briggs Charles T. 1840 1912 > >> > >> Well, that's my case. I would love to be able to confirm it, but > it > >> looks reasonable. ---Karen > >> > >> __________________________________________________________________ > >> McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > >> Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free > >> trial today! > >> > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > >> > >> Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. 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