You found them .. as i did.. thank you for the reminder of where this was ... YES the brothers HOWE and WALLER are the same. John HOWE and Rhoda WALLER are Ira Waller HOWE's parents and in-laws to Eliza SACKETT. Do ya think that there are nay records in " Capouse " PA .. isn't that the last car in a train ? Ha! AND to make thing even more confusing ....... Byron D. Sturdevant is the son of Rev Samuel STURDEVANT born Fairfield CT 1741 .. and possibly the twin or relation to Justus STURDEVANT who lived down the lane from Joseph SACKETT in Weybridge, Addison Co., VT .......1800. http://www.braintrimbaptistchurch.org/history.htm And the TAYLOR's are the family of Rhoda WALLER's mother... ahahah Go Figure ?? !!! Thank you for the great analysis .. you ahve really helped me.. And this line was NOT in Wyoming Co NY it was as you determined Genesee Co. This is the Ira HOWE and Elisabeth family 1. IRA Waller8 HOWE (JOHN Norton7, JOHN Gaylord6, JEREMIAH Cook5, JEREMIAH Peck4, JEREMIAH How3, JEREMIAH2, EDWARD1) was born 03 April 1793 in Scranton, Lackawanna Co., Pennsylvania, and died 09 April 1867 in Elba, Genesee County, New York. He married (1) ELIZABETH SACKETT Bef. 1811 in Elba, Genesee Co., or Scranton, Pennsylvania OR ??????????. She was born 25 November 1792 in Scranton,Lackawanna Co., Pennsylvania or Elba,Genesee Co., NY, and died 09 November 1833 in Elba, Genesee Co., New York. He married (2) RHODA Upham Howe HINMAN Abt. 1833, daughter of George HINSMAN ?. She was born 1792 in Conneticut ? Census NY of 1860, 1870 NY, and died 04 November 1878 in Charlotte, Eaton County, Michigan. Children of IRA HOWE and ELIZABETH SACKETT are: 2 i. Rosilla Sackett9 HOWE, born 15 January 1811 in Elba, Genesee County, New York. She married Barr. 3 ii. Aurelia Sackett HOWE, born 11 February 1813 in Elba, Genesee County, New York; died 21 March 1845. She married Turner. 4 iii. Cynthia Sackett HOWE, born 19 April 1815 in Elba, Genesee County, New York. She married Dingman. + 5 iv. CAROLINE Sackett HOWE, born 15 April 1818 in Elba, Genesee County, New York; died 05 November 1905 in Hamlin, Eaton County, Michigan. + 6 v. Asenath Sackett HOWE, born 16 October 1819 in Elba, Genesee County, New York; died 16 November 1855 in Elba, Genesee County, New York. Married Joel M. Barber + 7 vi. Olive Sackett HOWE, born 10 April 1821 in Elba, Genesee County, New York; died in Illinois. She married Freeman Fisher UPHAM 8 vii. Mary A. Sackett HOWE, born 22 February 1823 in Elba, Genesee County, New York; died 21 June 1840 in Elba, Genesee County, New York. 9 viii. Solomon HOWE, born 31 January 1825 in Elba, Genesee County, New York. He married Anna Cowles. 10 ix. David Sackett HOWE, born 26 December 1827 in Elba, Genesee County, New York. 11 x. Alfron W. Sackett HOWE, born 03 July 1829 in Elba, Genesee County, New York. He married Sarah E. Newkirk. 12 xi. Edward F. Sackett HOWE, born 13 July 1831 in Elba, Genesee County, New York; died 02 January 1858 in Elba, Genesee County, New York. Child of IRA HOWE and RHODA HINMAN Upham is: + 13 i. Elizabeth Hinman Upham9 HOWE, born 28 December 1834 in Elba, Genesee County, New York.