Genealogical and historical research continues to yield new information to synthesize, expand and develop new knowledge.. Ontario Co NY and Crawford Co PA were empty areas of wilderness in the latter part of the 18th and early 19th century. Various Alden men, among others, obtained very large tracts of land in Ontario Co and Crawford Co. I mention Alden here because Rowland was married to an Edson whose line derived from an Alden line. Rowland Sacket and his Edson in-laws first moved to Ontario Co NY. Rowland then moved to Crawford Co PA 1816 at the same time his dad moved from MA. Both taking advantage of Timothy Alden's and a Sackett's land sale opportunities. Censuses - I wonder if Harvey and Ursula lived with relatives in MA and moved to PA when Zavan did? Just as I wonder if Laura B. the infant stayed in NY when her father/mother moved to PA. There is a pattern of Rowland not being available for his children as reflected in the Crawford Co 1830 census where Ursula (Sacket) Chase household had children too old for Ursula to be their mother. It is suggested that these children were Ursula's brother Edson and sister Harriet. Rollin/Hollin appears in the 1830 Cattaraugus Co census without the younger children. ----Original Message----- From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] Sent: Mon 10/20/2003 10:58 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Roland/Rowland/Rolin/Rollin Sacket/Sackett Dianne: Not having my data from the exchanges last February, I retrieved all the exchanges concerning the Sacketts in Ontario Co.,NY; Crawford Co., PA ; and Ashtabula Co., OH to determine what you were referring to. I regret that you felt that I criticized your theory concerning the Rowland Sacket found in the 1810 census for Ontario Co., NY. My only intention was to indicate that there are some puzzling inconsistences in the information we have for the family of 583-Rolin Sackett and what we have found in the 1810 census. Rowland Sacket found in the 1810 census for Ontario Co., NY was listed as the only infividual in the household and I assumed that he was a single person: Sacket, Rowland Year: 1810; State: NY; County: Ontario; Township: Honeoye Roll: M252_33 Page: 203 Census: 000 10 - 000 00 The information I have in my database indicates that #583-Rolin Sackett was married (on, or before), 11 Mar 1807, to Lovina Edson at Montgomery, Hampden Co. MA and had a son, Harvey (b. 1807), and a daughter, Ursula (b. 1809); both born in MA. The family of the Roland Sacket found in the 1810 Norwick census fits that description: Sacket, Roland Year: 1810; State: MA; County: Hampshire; Township: Norwick Roll: M252_19 Page: 110 Census: 100 10 - 101 00 In the following post you presented some information that raises a question: From: "Cobb, Dianne" <Dianne.Cobb@FairfaxCounty.gov> Subject: RE: [SACKETT-L] Sacketts in Naples, Ontario Co., NY Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:32:21 -0500 I am curious about the Rowland Sacket 1810 census male 26 - 45, he and David Tiffany moved to Ontario Co in 1808. Rowland was not in the 1820 Ontario Co census. Pd taxes for a time through about 1813/14. Where did he go? James Edson, male 26 - 45, showed up in 1810 Ontario Co., census in township adjacent to Rowland Sackett's. Was this James Edson related to Lovina Edson who married a Rowland Sackett in 1807 in Norwich, MA (now, Huntington)? James Edson, and James Edson, jr were in Ontario Co 1820 census. Did Rowland Sacket move back to MA, Russell township, or did he move to Crawford Co, PA? ---------- end --------- My question would be; If 583-Rolin was married in MA in or before 1807; and if his first two children were born in MA before 1810 ... Then, was he travelling back and forth between the two locations, or could it be that some of the records we hare are dealing with two different Roland Sacketts? And if there were two different Roland Sacketts who lived in Ontario Co. then when did the first one leave and the second one arrive? The information you presented in the present message could be consistant with 583-Rolin being the one in the 1810 census in MA. He and his family could have been in MA in 1810 and moved to Ontario Co., NY between the birth of Orlinda in MA in 1811 and the birth of the next two children, Julia and Laura. Ten years between the censuses leaves us with a long period of time in which a family can make more than one move and other records are necessary to fill the gaps. And ... As usual, I have more questions than I have answers. Thurmon On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:06:23 -0400 "Cobb, Dianne" <Dianne.Cobb@fairfaxcounty.gov> writes: > Good morning, > > Ted Mudge wrote me this weekend that one of the death certificates > for Laura B. (Sacket) Chase's sons, Harvey E. Chase, indicates that > Laura B. Sacket was born in Ontario Co NY as well as her husband, > Martin L. Chase. > > Laura was born either March 1815 or March 1816. > > Last February I wrote to the Sackett-L my theory of Zavan's son, > Rolin, living in Ontario from 1808 - 1816 based on Wayne Co NY > (earlier part of Ontario Co., NY) history book, Ontario Co NY 1810 > census record and Ontario Co. tax records that I had obtained on my > visit there. > > My theory was criticized by someone pointing to the 1810 Norwich, MA > census which has a Roland Sackett next to Zavan Sacket. They > indicated that because Roland lived next to Zavan the Ontario Co > Rolin was someone else. > > Since then, I found: > > 1810 Norwich census was alphabetical, e.g. one found no T's or A's > living in the S's census section > > Rollin was the eldest of Zavan's children. Based on his death date > from his son John's Civil War pension file (Feb, 1863) and on the > listing of ages of the Sacket brothers when they died as found in > Joseph Sacket's obituary - Rollin was 83 yrs old, he then was born > in 1780, placing him as the eldest. > > Zavan Sacket moved to Crawford Co PA in 1816 (correspondingly, > Rollin did not appear in the 1817 tax records for Ontario Co NY) > about the time rollin moved out of the County. > > The Roland Sacket in the 1810 census continued in the MA County area > for yrs as well as his son (Roland was the son of Abner - have his > 1787 birth record) > > Further evidence of Rollin being the Zavan son are the Edson's > (brother and father of Lovina, Rollin's 1st wife)living in Ontario > Co from 1810 - 1826. > > I am forwarding under separate cover copies of the above cited > records. > > > Dianne Cobb ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== RootsWeb blocks attachments. 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