Chris; From the sources I have read to date I am not sure that there was a close relationship between Thomas Hooker and his associates and John Davenport and his associates. As stated in the post by Tom it appears that Thomas Hooker was from the vicinity of Cambridge while Davenport was located in London. Thomas Hooker had arrived in Massachusetts and had been installed as minister in Newtown, MA in 1633. He had departed with his group in 1636. This was a year before Davenport arrived in Boston. There are many things I have not gotten straight in my mind. But I'm still working on them as I study the history of the devlopment of New England before the Revolutionary War. One point which relates to John Sackett of New Haven has to do with the form of government which was set up by the Massachusetts Bay Company and was followed to varying degrees by those who founded the new towns. The Massachussets Bay Company and those involved in the settlement of New England under their jurisdiction were Puritan reformers who considered themselves to be setting up a purified Church of England in New England. Those who became "freemen" in the colony were required to take an oath of fidelity to the church. The only voting members of the colony were the church members of voting age. Now, as this relates to John Sackett of New Haven; he took the oath of fidelity on 1 Jul 1644. During that time the age of maturity was 21. This would indicate that John was at least 21 years old in 1644. This would place his birth as 1623 or before. The 4 Aug 1641 court case stating that John Sackett was a servant to Mrs. Stolyon indicates that on that date he was an indentured servant. Using 1623 as the birth year for John, he would have been about 17, or older, at this time. Therefore, it would appear that between 1641 and 1644 our John Sackett reached maturity and then took the oath of fidelity. The main questions would be where Mrs. Stolyon came from when she arrived in New Haven and where was she located when John Sackett became her indentured servant? Concerning Weygant's account of 2-John Sackett, Sr. travelling to Rhode Island with Roger Williams in 1636 and later being in New Haven there is a problem of theology involved. Roger Williams was advocating the separation of church and state and teaching that the civil magistrates had no power over man's religion. This view was more repugnant to the Puritan leadership than Roger's contention that that the British had no right to confiscate the Indian lands as their own. When Roger Williams was banished in 1635, he negotiated with the natives for the land where he founded Provicence, RI. There was not a church founded in Providence until about 1639 when twelve members were rebaptized, including Willaims. This is considered by some to be the beginning of churches following Baptist principles in America; among which are separation of church and state and believer's baptism. Back to 2-John Sackett of Weygant's account; IF he was in America and had gone from Massachusetts to RI with Roger Williams it would be assumed that he agreed with the teaching of Williams. Then why would he have migrated to the new colony at New Haven where church and state were united? How is that for asking more questions than I answer? Thurmon TSFA Historian "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> wrote: >Thurmon (& Tom & All), > >Many thanks for your post about Thomas Hooker and other early settlers in >Massachusetts and Connecticut. An aspect I am unclear about is the >relationship between the Hooker migrants who went from Newtown to Hartford >and the other settlers who founded New Haven. My interest here relates, of >course, to John Sackett of New Haven (and perhaps an elder John) who Weygant >believed emigrated with Simon the colonist. I believe the earliest record we >have of John of New Haven is that of the court case of 4 August 1641 when >"John Seckett servant to Mrs. Stolyon for goeing about to slaunder and >reproach his said Mrs, was admonished to tender to his Mrs such satisfaction >as she might accept, wch was referred to Mr. Goodyeare to determine." > >The family tradition as recorded by Weygant has the alleged John Sr and his >three-year-old son John Jr travelling to Boston with Simon on the February >1631 Lyon and then eventually finding his way to New Haven after a period in >the company of Roger Williams at Plymouth and Rhode Island. However, we have >no other research evidence to support this tradition and it would seem >equally possible that John Sackett of New Haven arrived with the Davenport >company of 1638. > >Regards, >Chris > > >==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >To Subscribe to the digest, SACKETT-D, address your email to: >sackett-d-request@rootsweb.com and type: SUBSCRIBE. Remember to >unsubscribe yourself from sackett-l or you will get multiple copies! > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > -- Thurmon Accurate Information Is Our Goal. __________________________________________________________________ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! 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