Ted, Your message has led to some VERY interesting research and raises some interesting questions. 1. I notice that the 1900 census for the household of Lewellyn Sackett lists his 16 year old daughter, b. Sep., 1883, as Married: 1900 Census; Battle Creek City, Calhoun County, Michigan SD No. 3; ED No. 36; Sheet No. 5B; 4 June 1900 36 S. Union St 109/114 Sackett, Lewellyn, Head, W, M, May 1860, 40, M, 20, Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, Painter Sackett, Mary, Wife, W, F, Feb. 1865, 35, M, 20, 2-2, Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, --- Sackett, Harry R., Son, W, M, Sept. 1881, 18, S, Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, Painter Sackett Fannie I., Daughter, W, F, Sep. 1883, 16, M[?], Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, Student (I see that I had put a [?] after that information.) 2. In the 1910 census Fannie is listed in the household of Albert Griswold: 1910 > MICHIGAN > CALHOUN > 5-WD BATTLE CRK Series: T624 Roll: 640 Page: 212 Fannie Sackett, Boarder, age 26, Clerk, Carton Co. [Also: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MLPK-TYM] 3. I downloaded the image of the marriage of Fannie to Alton A Hupp. As in the information supplied by FamilySearch, Frances had had not aged any of the 7 years since the 1910 census. FamilySearch does not include the notation that Alton had "one" previous marriage while Frances had "no" previous marriage. 4. The image of her 1920 marriage to John Almas, she reported that she was age as 30 on the 1st day of September, 1920. Therefore, by 1920 she had still lost 7 years in her age. It also appears that John Almas misrepresented his place of birth. He states that he was 31 years of age on 29 January, 1920 and reported his birthplace as Boonsville, Ky. However, I have found the following which indicates that he was actually born in Ontario, Canada: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMJG-X3R Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927 Name: Albert Almas Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 05 Aug 1885 Event Place: Caistor, Lincoln, Ontario, Canada Age: 24 Birth Year (Estimated): 1861 Father's Name: Adam Almas Mother's Name: Mary Alma? Spouse's Name: Margaret Robinson Spouse's Age: 24 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1861 Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Robinson Spouse's Mother's Name: Ann J Robinson Registration Number: 437 GS Film number: 1869803 Digital Folder Number: 004529145 Image Number: 00917 ------ https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMWV-3ZS Ontario Births, 1869-1912 Name: John Edmund Herald Almas Event Type: Birth Event Date: 29 Jan 1890 Event Place: Hamilton, Wentworth, Ontario, Canada Gender: Male Father's Name: Albt. Edwd. Almas Mother's Name: Maggie Robinson Registration Year: Registration Number: 37237 GS Film number: 1846440 Digital Folder Number: 004656897 Image Number: 00325 ------ 1906 Census; Canada, Onterio, Hamilton City, Ward/Quarter No. 5 E-2 Page 4 Line/House/Name/Sex/Relationship/m.status/Birth/Age 21/30/Almas Albert E./M/Head/M/Dec 28, 1862/38 22/30/Almas Margret M./F/Wife/M/Oct 13, 1862/38 23/30/Almas Neytle? R./F/Daughter/S/Dec 3, 1887/13 24/30/Almas Gladys A./F/Daughter/S/Jun 22, 1894/6 25/30/Almas John E. H./M/Son/S/Jan 29, 1890/11 ------ https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KSZJ-FWD Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927 Name: John Ed Almas Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 29 Sep 1908 Event Place: Hamilton, Wentworth, Ontario, Canada Age: 21 Birth Year (Estimated): 1887 Father's Name: Albert Almas Mother's Name: Maggie A Robinson Spouse's Name: Sadie Gilbert Spouse's Age: 19 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1889 Spouse's Father's Name: David Gilbert Spouse's Mother's Name: Sadie Crow Registration Number: 021290 GS Film number: 1871870 Digital Folder Number: 4529572 Image Number: 00368 ------ 1911 Census; Canada, Ontario, Hamilton West, Ward 4 Page 23 Line/Family;Name/Sex/Relationship/M.status/Birth/Age 14/248;Almas John/M/Head/M/Jan, 1890/21 15/248;Almas Sadie/F/Wife/M/Sep, 1890/20 16/248;Almas Leita E./F/Daughter/S, Jun, 1910, 1 17/248;Roy Susan/F/Roomer/W/Aug, 1867/43 18/248;Roy Lillian/F/Roomer/S/Jun, 1891, 19 In his 1920 marriage to Jennie, he reported that he was "widowed" Like you I was unable to find them in the census following their marriage. However, I did find his death record: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VPFD-1WL California, Death Index, 1940-1997 Name: John Edmond Almas Event Type: Death Event Date: 10 Oct 1951 Event Place: Los Angeles, California, United States Birth Date: 29 Jan 1890 Birthplace: Canada Gender: Male Father's Name: Almas Mother's Name: Robinson ------ https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VPJS-9L9 California, Death Index, 1940-1997 Name: Edmond Haroldjohn Almas Event Type: Death Event Date: 10 Oct 1951 Event Place: Los Angeles, California, United States Birth Date: 29 Jan 1890 Birthplace: Canada Gender: Male Father's Name: Almas Mother's Name: Robinson That is all that I have found, but it is interesting. Thurmon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Smith" <tcsmith@surewest.net> To: <sackett@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: [SACKETT] Fannie Irene Sackett > Name: John Almas > Birth Date: 1889 > Birthplace: Boonsville, Ky > Age: 31 > Spouse's Name: Fannie Sackett > Spouse's Birth Date: 1890 > Spouse's Birthplace: S. Haven, Mich. > Spouse's Age: 30 > Event Date: 17 Mar 1920 > Event Place: Lucas Co., Ohio > Father's Name: Albert Almas > Mother's Name: Marie Robinson > Spouse's Father's Name: Llewellyn Sackett > Spouse's Mother's Name: Mae Ornsby > Race: > Marital Status: Divorced > Previous Wife's Name: > Spouse's Race: > Spouse's Marital Status: Divorced > Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Alton Hupp > Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01363-8 > System Origin: Ohio-EASy > GS Film number: 2134491 > Reference ID: P82-35902 > > Citing this Record > "Ohio, Marriages, 1800-1958," index, FamilySearch > (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XDWM-8YB : accessed 19 Mar 2013), > Llewellyn Sackett in entry for John Almas and Fannie Sackett, 17 Mar 1920. > > > > Name: Alton A. Hupp > Race (Original): > Age (Expanded): 27 years > Birth Year: 1890 > Birthplace: Ohio > Spouse's Name: Frances Sackett > Spouse's Race (Original): > Spouse's Age (Expanded): 26 years > Spouse's Birth Year: 1891 > Spouse's Birthplace: Michigan > Event Date: 06 Apr 1917 > Event Place: Monroe, Monroe, Michigan > Father's Name: Elias Hupp > Mother's Name: Maude Adams > Spouse's Father's Name: Llewellyn Sackett > Spouse's Mother's Name: Mae Ornsley > Marital Status: > Previous Wife's Name: > Spouse's Marital Status: > Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: > GS Film number: 2342722 > Frame Number: > Digital Folder Number: 4209964 > Image Number: 214 > Reference ID: v 4 p 89 rn 247 > > > Citing this Record > "Michigan, Marriages, 1868-1925," index and images, FamilySearch > (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N3R6-7HN : accessed 19 Mar 2013), > Llewellyn Sackett in entry for Alton A. Hupp and Frances Sackett, 06 Apr > 1917. > > > > Name: Fannie Irene Sackett > Gender: Female > Christening Date: > Christening Place: > Birth Date: 01 Sep 1883 > Birthplace: Caseo, Allegan, Michigan > Death Date: > Name Note: > Race: > Father's Name: Llewellyn Sackett > Father's Birthplace: > Father's Age: > Mother's Name: Mary G. Armsby > Mother's Birthplace: > Mother's Age: > Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C73299-9 > System Origin: Michigan-ODM > GS Film number: 1017868 > Reference ID: > > Citing this Record > "Michigan, Births and Christenings, 1775-1995," index, FamilySearch > (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F4P6-B19 : accessed 19 Mar 2013), > Llewellyn Sackett in entry for Fannie Irene Sackett, 01 Sep 1883. > > > I could not locate Fannie of John Almas in any census after their > marriage. > I also came up empty searching for birth, marriage, militay, or census > records for Fannie's brother. > --------------------------------- > Ted Smith > tcsmith@surewest.net

I am reminded that my grandmother married at age 14 and told the clerk she was 18. Of course, in later life people sometimes subtract or add years to their age depending on the circumstances. --------------------------------- Ted Smith tcsmith@surewest.net -----Original Message----- From: Thurmon Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:42 AM To: sackett@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SACKETT] Fannie Irene Sackett Ted, Your message has led to some VERY interesting research and raises some interesting questions. 1. I notice that the 1900 census for the household of Lewellyn Sackett lists his 16 year old daughter, b. Sep., 1883, as Married: 1900 Census; Battle Creek City, Calhoun County, Michigan SD No. 3; ED No. 36; Sheet No. 5B; 4 June 1900 36 S. Union St 109/114 Sackett, Lewellyn, Head, W, M, May 1860, 40, M, 20, Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, Painter Sackett, Mary, Wife, W, F, Feb. 1865, 35, M, 20, 2-2, Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, --- Sackett, Harry R., Son, W, M, Sept. 1881, 18, S, Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, Painter Sackett Fannie I., Daughter, W, F, Sep. 1883, 16, M[?], Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, Student (I see that I had put a [?] after that information.) 2. In the 1910 census Fannie is listed in the household of Albert Griswold: 1910 > MICHIGAN > CALHOUN > 5-WD BATTLE CRK Series: T624 Roll: 640 Page: 212 Fannie Sackett, Boarder, age 26, Clerk, Carton Co. [Also: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MLPK-TYM] 3. I downloaded the image of the marriage of Fannie to Alton A Hupp. As in the information supplied by FamilySearch, Frances had had not aged any of the 7 years since the 1910 census. FamilySearch does not include the notation that Alton had "one" previous marriage while Frances had "no" previous marriage. 4. The image of her 1920 marriage to John Almas, she reported that she was age as 30 on the 1st day of September, 1920. Therefore, by 1920 she had still lost 7 years in her age. It also appears that John Almas misrepresented his place of birth. He states that he was 31 years of age on 29 January, 1920 and reported his birthplace as Boonsville, Ky. However, I have found the following which indicates that he was actually born in Ontario, Canada: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMJG-X3R Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927 Name: Albert Almas Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 05 Aug 1885 Event Place: Caistor, Lincoln, Ontario, Canada Age: 24 Birth Year (Estimated): 1861 Father's Name: Adam Almas Mother's Name: Mary Alma? Spouse's Name: Margaret Robinson Spouse's Age: 24 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1861 Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Robinson Spouse's Mother's Name: Ann J Robinson Registration Number: 437 GS Film number: 1869803 Digital Folder Number: 004529145 Image Number: 00917 ------ https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMWV-3ZS Ontario Births, 1869-1912 Name: John Edmund Herald Almas Event Type: Birth Event Date: 29 Jan 1890 Event Place: Hamilton, Wentworth, Ontario, Canada Gender: Male Father's Name: Albt. Edwd. Almas Mother's Name: Maggie Robinson Registration Year: Registration Number: 37237 GS Film number: 1846440 Digital Folder Number: 004656897 Image Number: 00325 ------ 1906 Census; Canada, Onterio, Hamilton City, Ward/Quarter No. 5 E-2 Page 4 Line/House/Name/Sex/Relationship/m.status/Birth/Age 21/30/Almas Albert E./M/Head/M/Dec 28, 1862/38 22/30/Almas Margret M./F/Wife/M/Oct 13, 1862/38 23/30/Almas Neytle? R./F/Daughter/S/Dec 3, 1887/13 24/30/Almas Gladys A./F/Daughter/S/Jun 22, 1894/6 25/30/Almas John E. H./M/Son/S/Jan 29, 1890/11 ------ https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KSZJ-FWD Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927 Name: John Ed Almas Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 29 Sep 1908 Event Place: Hamilton, Wentworth, Ontario, Canada Age: 21 Birth Year (Estimated): 1887 Father's Name: Albert Almas Mother's Name: Maggie A Robinson Spouse's Name: Sadie Gilbert Spouse's Age: 19 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1889 Spouse's Father's Name: David Gilbert Spouse's Mother's Name: Sadie Crow Registration Number: 021290 GS Film number: 1871870 Digital Folder Number: 4529572 Image Number: 00368 ------ 1911 Census; Canada, Ontario, Hamilton West, Ward 4 Page 23 Line/Family;Name/Sex/Relationship/M.status/Birth/Age 14/248;Almas John/M/Head/M/Jan, 1890/21 15/248;Almas Sadie/F/Wife/M/Sep, 1890/20 16/248;Almas Leita E./F/Daughter/S, Jun, 1910, 1 17/248;Roy Susan/F/Roomer/W/Aug, 1867/43 18/248;Roy Lillian/F/Roomer/S/Jun, 1891, 19 In his 1920 marriage to Jennie, he reported that he was "widowed" Like you I was unable to find them in the census following their marriage. However, I did find his death record: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VPFD-1WL California, Death Index, 1940-1997 Name: John Edmond Almas Event Type: Death Event Date: 10 Oct 1951 Event Place: Los Angeles, California, United States Birth Date: 29 Jan 1890 Birthplace: Canada Gender: Male Father's Name: Almas Mother's Name: Robinson ------ https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VPJS-9L9 California, Death Index, 1940-1997 Name: Edmond Haroldjohn Almas Event Type: Death Event Date: 10 Oct 1951 Event Place: Los Angeles, California, United States Birth Date: 29 Jan 1890 Birthplace: Canada Gender: Male Father's Name: Almas Mother's Name: Robinson That is all that I have found, but it is interesting. Thurmon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Smith" <tcsmith@surewest.net> To: <sackett@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: [SACKETT] Fannie Irene Sackett > Name: John Almas > Birth Date: 1889 > Birthplace: Boonsville, Ky > Age: 31 > Spouse's Name: Fannie Sackett > Spouse's Birth Date: 1890 > Spouse's Birthplace: S. Haven, Mich. > Spouse's Age: 30 > Event Date: 17 Mar 1920 > Event Place: Lucas Co., Ohio > Father's Name: Albert Almas > Mother's Name: Marie Robinson > Spouse's Father's Name: Llewellyn Sackett > Spouse's Mother's Name: Mae Ornsby > Race: > Marital Status: Divorced > Previous Wife's Name: > Spouse's Race: > Spouse's Marital Status: Divorced > Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Alton Hupp > Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01363-8 > System Origin: Ohio-EASy > GS Film number: 2134491 > Reference ID: P82-35902 > > Citing this Record > "Ohio, Marriages, 1800-1958," index, FamilySearch > (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XDWM-8YB : accessed 19 Mar 2013), > Llewellyn Sackett in entry for John Almas and Fannie Sackett, 17 Mar 1920. > > > > Name: Alton A. Hupp > Race (Original): > Age (Expanded): 27 years > Birth Year: 1890 > Birthplace: Ohio > Spouse's Name: Frances Sackett > Spouse's Race (Original): > Spouse's Age (Expanded): 26 years > Spouse's Birth Year: 1891 > Spouse's Birthplace: Michigan > Event Date: 06 Apr 1917 > Event Place: Monroe, Monroe, Michigan > Father's Name: Elias Hupp > Mother's Name: Maude Adams > Spouse's Father's Name: Llewellyn Sackett > Spouse's Mother's Name: Mae Ornsley > Marital Status: > Previous Wife's Name: > Spouse's Marital Status: > Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: > GS Film number: 2342722 > Frame Number: > Digital Folder Number: 4209964 > Image Number: 214 > Reference ID: v 4 p 89 rn 247 > > > Citing this Record > "Michigan, Marriages, 1868-1925," index and images, FamilySearch > (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N3R6-7HN : accessed 19 Mar 2013), > Llewellyn Sackett in entry for Alton A. Hupp and Frances Sackett, 06 Apr > 1917. > > > > Name: Fannie Irene Sackett > Gender: Female > Christening Date: > Christening Place: > Birth Date: 01 Sep 1883 > Birthplace: Caseo, Allegan, Michigan > Death Date: > Name Note: > Race: > Father's Name: Llewellyn Sackett > Father's Birthplace: > Father's Age: > Mother's Name: Mary G. Armsby > Mother's Birthplace: > Mother's Age: > Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C73299-9 > System Origin: Michigan-ODM > GS Film number: 1017868 > Reference ID: > > Citing this Record > "Michigan, Births and Christenings, 1775-1995," index, FamilySearch > (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F4P6-B19 : accessed 19 Mar 2013), > Llewellyn Sackett in entry for Fannie Irene Sackett, 01 Sep 1883. > > > I could not locate Fannie of John Almas in any census after their > marriage. > I also came up empty searching for birth, marriage, militay, or census > records for Fannie's brother. > --------------------------------- > Ted Smith > tcsmith@surewest.net ------------------------------- The Sackett Family Association website is at http://www.sackettfamily.info/. To contact the Sackett List Admin, send a message to SACKETT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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