Hi Sackett Searchers: I've run across a good example of how the spelling of a person's name can really get messed up when it is recorded the way it sounded when spoken to the one writing it down. For the wife of 3078-Samuel W. Sackett; Weygant has her name as Cizubah Vaughn on pg 224 and as Elisabeth Vaughn on pg. 321 I recently found the transcription of her headstone which has her name spelled AZUBAL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyschuyl/Glenwd4.html GLENWOOD CEMETERY, Town of Dix, Schuyler Co., NY Azubal (VAUGHN) his [Samuel W. Sackett] wife b. 7-2-1826 d. 8-21-1874 Then there is a transcription of a 1855 census which has her name spelled as AZUBATH http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyschuyl/1855ca6.htm 1855 Census--Town of CATHARINE (incl. MONTOUR) Schuyler co., NY Format: Name; Age in years; Relationship to head; Birthplace. SACKET S.W. 34 head b. Rensalier Azubath 27 wife b. Schuyler Philo 5 son b. Schuyler So we have ELIZABETH spelled as CIZUBAH, AZUBAL and AZUBATH Now, just try to imagine that you are listening to to them SAYING the name !! Thurmon

Thurmon, That bit of information was very helpful. I'm sure all of the Mn Sackett relatives are busy at their computers, etc. right now !! My brother contacted the Naples Library to see if they had anymore information on Zelotus and Sabrina, but the only thing new they had was Sabrina's maiden name which was Stone. Maybe that will help someone. Pam

Pam: Just a thought ... Isn't amazing how one simple bit of information can help so much? Thurmon On 24 Jul 2003 14:29:44 -0600 jofferdahl@aol.com writes: > > Gail, > Thank you for the information on Orlin. Also, thanks for setting us > straight on Ann's last name. It's been frustrating. > Could you give us a little history on the family? Where they came > from, siblings, parents, dates. > Thanks again ! > Pam Schuster Offerdahl

A while back we had a query concerning Alton Sackett of MN. In the discussion which followed there was speculation that he was the same person as Elihu Elton Sackett. The person posting the query insisted that they were not the same. In the MN Deaths Index we have: SACKETT, ALTON CertID# 1972-MN-001413 Date of Birth: 10/12/1892 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: SKINNER Date of Death: 01/06/1972 County of Death: PENNINGTON SACKETT, ELIHU ELTON CertID# 1967-MN-006377 Date of Birth: 12/27/1892 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: BIRCH Date of Death: 03/13/1967 County of Death: MARTIN So both of them were born in the same year which led to the confusion. Thurmon

Louella: I received some information from Gail today concerning Ann Elizabeth Hanscam who appears to have been the 2nd wife of Orlin. Would you look up the Hanscam/Hanscom entries given by Gail below? She says that; July 21 1860 census of Roscoe on this same page you will find family #56 next door to Aldon Sackett believe is the sister to Anne [Wallace BEDLL is his wife Nancy (Anne's sister have not confirmed their marriage) with 2 children and ANN Hascom age 22 born N York ? the page before this you will find Anne with her parents. Charles Henry Hanscam, Feb 29th 1813, Bangor Maine Charlottie Parsons, Feb 9th 1817, Newhampshire =================== For those following the research into the family and ancestry of Orlin; I am including the transcription of the Bible information Gail sent. The question would be; if Orlin was not married to Ann Elizabeth Hanscam, then why was he listed on the "DEATHS:" page of the Hanscam Family Bible?? Gail included a comment: "...we have found a few discrepancies. You will notice some dates of births are not possible. The birth date for Anne provided in the first e-mail is correct. [Anne Elizabeth HANSCUM b. December 29, 1838 Levant, Maine (Levant, Maine vital records) date of death January 23, 1890 (per. Bible) ] July 16, 2003 Gail A. Rehling NOTE: THESE ARE THE ENTRIES FOR CHARLES HANSCAM & CHARLOTTE PARSONS FAMILY Provided By: Frances Alicia Ward Ellingson (granddaughter of Sarah U. Hanscam Ward) BIBLE NEW YORK AMERICAN BIBLE SOCITEY 1881 FAMILY RECORD PAGES (2 loose pages both sides not dated or numbered) As Written BIRTHS: Charles Henry Hanscam, Feb 29th 1813, Bangor Maine Charlottie Parsons, Feb 9th 1817, Newhampshire Joseph Sidney, 1836, Maine Ann Elizabeth, Dec 28, 1837 Nancy Jane, May 19th 1838 Martha M. Dec 25, 1840, Frederick Town Ohio Charles, 1842 Sarah U. July 19th 1843 Matilda B. Aug 8th 1846 Robert A. Oct 15th 1849 Rose E. June 26 1857 (can’t read, Wisconsin) Note: Wayne there is no entry for the birth or death of twin Seymour Rose is the last entry bottom of page here is where a continued page could be missing. MARRIAGES: Charles Hanscam Charlotte Parsons 1836 Maine Lyman T. Ward Sarah U. Hanscam Feb 27 1864 Milton Dodge Co., Minn DEATHS: Charles Henry Hanscam, May 3rd 1884 Charlotte Parsons Hanscam, Mar 22nd 1879 Joseph Sidney Ann Elizabeth, Jan 23rd 1890 Charles H. Rose E. Oct 18th 1862 Nancy J. Hanscam Larence, May 2nd 1898 Martha M. Reighlin Hanscam March 2nd 1903 Joseph Reighlin, Dec 26th 1905 Orlin Sackett Sarah Hanscam Ward, June 10th 1907, Zumbrota, Minn Lyman Tylor Ward, September 16, 1906, Zumbrota, Minn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sackett, Hanscam Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/219.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Gail, Thank you for the information on Orlin. Also, thanks for setting us straight on Ann's last name. It's been frustrating. Could you give us a little history on the family? Where they came from, siblings, parents, dates. Thanks again ! Pam Schuster Offerdahl

In a message dated 7/24/03 3:12:21 AM Central Daylight Time, thurmonking@juno.com writes: > What do you Orlin descendants think? > Thurmon, This is great !! It sounds right to me. thank you, thank you, thank you.......... Pam

Louella, Bless you!! I think you may have come up with an answer to part of our puzzle !!! In the note to me you asked if I thought Zelotas Sackett was the father of Orlin. That has been the theory I have been working on for some time. And I believe that the census info you provided along with some that I have indicates that he was. to make my case I'll start with the 1820 Census: State: NY; County: Ontario County; Township: Naples; Roll: M33_62; Page: 078 Sackett, Zelotus [indexed as Telotus] Census: 100 010 - 101 00 1 male under 10 (b. 1810-1820) 1 male 26-45 (b. 1775-1794) Zelotus (b. c1788) 1 female under 10 (b. 1810-1820) 1 female 16-26 (b. 1794-1804) Wife [Sabrina] 1830 Census: State: NY; County: Ontario; Township: Bristol; Roll: M19_101; Page: 246 Sackett, Zelotus Census: 111 000 010 000 0 - 000 011 010 000 0 1 male under 5 (b. 1825-1830) 1 male 5-10 (b. 1820-1825) [could be Orlen (b. c1824)] 1male 10-15 (b. 1815-1820) 1 male 50-60 (b. 1770-1780) Zelotus (b c1788) 1 female 20-30 (b. 1800-1810) 1 female 30-40 (b. 1790-1800) 1 female 50-60 (b. 1770-1780) [The age of Zelotus given here is the same as his age given in 1840. When compared with the 1820 census, it would appear that his age here should be 40-50. The ages of the boys is consistant from 1820 through 1840.] 1840 Census: State: NY; County: Ontario; Township: Naples; Roll: M704_320; Page: 282 Sackett, Simeon Z. [Zelotus] Census: 001 110 010 000 0 - 011 000 100 000 0 1 male 10-15; (b. 1825-1830) 1 male 15-20; (b. 1820-1825)[could be Orlen (b. c1824)] 1 male 20-25; (b. 1815-1820) 1 male 50-60 (b 1790-1800) Simon Z. (b. c1788) 1 female 5-10 (b. 1830-1835) 1 female 10-15 (b. 1825-1830) 1 female 40-50 (b. 1790-1800) Then in 1850 I believe Zelotas is listed as Lotas in the household of Sarah Johnson 4 dewllings away from Orlen Sackett and his family. We now know that the death certificate for Orlin's son, George says that the surname of George's mother was Johnson, not Stevens/Stpehens. Now, to jump to the census info you provided: July 1860, Roscoe, Goodhue, Minnesota, page 684 family #53 William Sackett, age 44, born N.York, Farmer Elizabeth " , age 42, born Arkansas Francis " (M), age 16, born Ill., Farmer Ellen " , age 13, born Ill. Mary " , age 11, born Ill. Florence " , age 6/12, born Minn. family #54 Simon Sackett, age 30, born New York Elizabeth " , age 26, born Ind. Eugene " , age 3, born Minn. Albert " , age 1, born N.York family #55 Alden Sackett, age 33, born " , Farmer George " , age 11, born " Sarah " , age 8, born " When one compares the ages of William, age 44 (9b. abt 1816), Simon age 30 (b. abt 1830), and Alden/Orlin age 33-36 (b. abt 1824) with the ages to the three sons in the household of Zelotas given in the censuses above ... These three fit.!! And I agree with you that the William Sackett in Warren Co., NY in the 1850 census is the same one as is found in Goodhue Co., MN in 1860. What do you Orlin descendants think? Thurmon NOTE: This would kill my theory about Nathaniel B. Sackett of Olmsted Co., MN being a son of Zelotas. ------------------------------- On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:26:12 -0400 "louella@endor.com" <louellas@endor.com> writes: > Have been reading all the notes on Orlin, might have sent this information before, so will > just mention that the 1860 census of Roscoe, Goodhue, Minnesota has > Alden, age 33 with George age 11 and Sarah age 8 who I assume is Orlin but also has a > William age 44 and family and Simon, pretty sure age 30, and family. William, Simon and > Alden born New York. > Will send complete information if anyone wants it. > Also might have already sent the 1870 information..this one has > Orlin as Orlin > Roscoe, Goodhue, Minnesota > Sackett, Orlin, age 46, born New York, Farmer > , Ann E., age 32, born Maine > , George S., age 20, born New York, at home > , Edward, age 8, born Minnesota > , Emina B., age 6, born Minnesota > , Elin, age 1, born Minnesota > , Elton, age 1, born Minnesota > I believe the Sarah Sackett age 17, enumerated as Domestic Servant > in > another > household is probably the Sarah age 8 in the 1860 census. > If this is repetition..excuse the faulty memory.

I am pretty sure the William Sackett in Roscoe, Minn in 1860 is in the 1850 census of Warren Co., Illinois, page 60 William Sacket, age 36, born New York, Carpenter Elizabeth " , age 31, born Illinois Nancy " , age 11, " Francis (M)" , age 6, " Sarah E. " , age 4, " Mary " , age 1, " Thurmon, Do you have the July 1850 census of Naples, Ontario, New York, page 22 if not here tis. family 247 Sarah Johnson, age 57, born NY Jeremiah " , age 26, born NY, Laborer Huldah " , age 15, " (and darned if the following doesn't look like a corruption of Zelatus in Johnson household) Lotas Sackett, age 62, " , Carpenter same page family 251 Orlen Sackett, age 26, born NY, Laborer Lucinda " , age 23(pretty sure), " Lucy " , age 4, " family 251 continued next page George Sackett, age 1, born NY Betsy Leg/zon, age 16, " Was Zelatus the father of Orlin, William and Simon? Louella

OK, just sent the 1870 - page 477 There is another Sackett in the Aug 1870 in Goodhue county, in Cherry Grove, page 81. Sackett, Lyman, age 50, born New York, Farmer , Lucinda, age 43, born New York , Edwin, age 11, born Minnesota cont. next page Sackett, Mary A., age 7, born Minnesota , Sarah, age 3, born Minnesota This family also in Cherry Grove in 1860 census Sackett, Lyman, age 35, born New York, Farmer , Lucinda, age 32, born New York , Irwin, age 11, born New York , Maurice, age 1, born Minnesota There are some Johnsons born New York on this page also. The 1880 for Cherry Grove has a George Sackett, age 29, born NY, parents born NY with wife Phebia, age 18, born WI, parents born NY and son Alfred, age 1, born Minnesota July 1860, Roscoe, Goodhue, Minnesota, page 684 family #53 William Sackett, age 44, born N.York, Farmer Elizabeth " , age 42, born Arkansas Francis " (M), age 16, born Ill., Farmer Ellen " , age 13, born Ill. Mary " , age 11, born Ill. Florence " , age 6/12, born Minn. family #54 Simon Sackett, age 30, born New York Elizabeth " , age 26, born Ind. Eugene " , age 3, born Minn. Albert " , age 1, born N.York family #55 Alden Sackett, age 33, born " , Farmer George " , age 11, born " Sarah " , age 8, born " --

Have been reading all the notes on Orlin, might have sent this information before, so will just mention that the 1860 census of Roscoe, Goodhue, Minnesota has Alden, age 33 with George age 11 and Sarah age 8 who I assume is Orlin but also has a William age 44 and family and Simon, pretty sure age 30, and family. William, Simon and Alden born New York. Will send complete information if anyone wants it. Also might have already sent the 1870 information..this one has Orlin as Orlin Roscoe, Goodhue, Minnesota Sackett, Orlin, age 46, born New York, Farmer , Ann E., age 32, born Maine , George S., age 20, born New York, at home , Edward, age 8, born Minnesota , Emina B., age 6, born Minnesota , Elin, age 1, born Minnesota , Elton, age 1, born Minnesota I believe the Sarah Sackett age 17, enumerated as Domestic Servant in another household is probably the Sarah age 8 in the 1860 census. If this is repetition..excuse the faulty memory. -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of HK2016@netscape.net Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:42 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SACKETT-L] Re: Orlin SACKETT, Roscoe Minnesota This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/219.3 Message Board Post: Gail, Sorry, dumb question. Your not descended from Orlin and Ann, but from her sister. Right? Would still love to see the Bible. Does it have family information in it? Like names, birthdates, deaths, and marriages? Karen ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== RootsWeb blocks attachments. So sharing photos is not possible through the list; send off-list individually. If you have a text file you wish to share, save it as text and insert the text into your message. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/219.1.1 Message Board Post: Liesa: Orlin is the only Sackett mentioned no date of death. Yes, the Hanscom family came to Minnesota about 1859 made their home in Roscoe MN. Thank you, Gail

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SACKETT Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/219.4 Message Board Post: Gail: Earlier today I thought I posted a response to your query. But for some reason it soesn't show up on the message board. So I'll try again. I am the one who maintains the Sacketts of America website. We are still in the process of researching this family and trying to determine the ancestry of Orlin. At present we are not certain what the surname of Orlin's 2nd wife was. Her name has been presented as: 1. Mandy Dans [by Brad Sackett] but the 1880 census gives the name of Orlin's wife as Ann, 2. Mina Schofield; although this appears to be Orlin's daughter Nina/Mina who is said to have married a Schofield and I haven't gotten the change made on the website. 3. Ann Birch was a name which came from a WorldConnect database of Denise Matson. [database: dmatson] Denise has now changed the information in her database to show Orlin's 2nd wife simply as Ann E. ____. The Birch marriage appears to have been Orlin's son, Elton, who married Nellie Birch. It appears that you may have provided us with the answer to that puzzle. One of the researchers of this family recently obtained a copy of the death certificate of George, [Orlin's son with his first wife]. The death certificate indicates that the surname of Orlin's first wife was Johnson, not Stephens. So her name was Lucinda Johnson. She died in October 1856 and is buried in Fairview Cemetery, Naples, Ontario Co. NY. You indicated that you have a death date for Orlin. We would love to have that information to include in our SACKETT database. And any other information you might have that relates to this family. Thurmon King Sackett Family Historian thurmonking@juno.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/219.3 Message Board Post: Gail, Sorry, dumb question. Your not descended from Orlin and Ann, but from her sister. Right? Would still love to see the Bible. Does it have family information in it? Like names, birthdates, deaths, and marriages? Karen

In a message dated 7/23/03 9:20:14 AM Central Daylight Time, thurmonking@juno.com writes: > I hate to be a "know it all" [yeah ... really} but Gail's message is on > the SACKETT message board at Ancestry.com and for Gail to get your > response you will need to post it there. > > Thurmon, It was about 6:30 in the morning when I wrote that. Who can read then? Thanks. Pam

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/219.2 Message Board Post: Gail, Would love to see that Bible. I live in Rochester, Minnesota, are you anywhere near here? Which of Orlin and Ann's children are you descended from? I am a descendant of George, Orlin's son from his first marriage. Karen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sackett, McKay, Tarbox, etc... Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/219.1 Message Board Post: Can't tell which message was first but to make it faster, when you see a link like follwoing Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/219 Message Board Post: You have to click on the link to reply. I did that with this message so that you could see that there is also a new link for mine. Liesa Gail, Orlin's second wife was Ann. The mention of Mina as being his wife was an error. She was actually the daughter of Orlin and Ann. However, we thought Ann's maiden name was Birch. Seems to escape me right now as to how we came up with that. Was your ggrandmother's sister living in Minnesota before she married Orlin? Also, are there any other mentions of Sacketts in the family bible? Pam Schuster Offerdahl

Gail, Orlin's second wife was Ann. The mention of Mina as being his wife was an error. She was actually the daughter of Orlin and Ann. However, we thought Ann's maiden name was Birch. Seems to escape me right now as to how we came up with that. Was your ggrandmother's sister living in Minnesota before she married Orlin? Also, are there any other mentions of Sacketts in the family bible? Pam Schuster Offerdahl

Pam: I hate to be a "know it all" [yeah ... really} but Gail's message is on the SACKETT message board at Ancestry.com and for Gail to get your response you will need to post it there. Thurmon On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:42:08 EDT JOfferdahl@aol.com writes: > Gail, > Orlin's second wife was Ann. The mention of Mina as being his wife > was an > error. She was actually the daughter of Orlin and Ann. However, we > thought Ann's > maiden name was Birch. Seems to escape me right now as to how we > came up with > that. Was your ggrandmother's sister living in Minnesota before she > married > Orlin? Also, are there any other mentions of Sacketts in the family > bible? > Pam Schuster Offerdahl > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > If you haven't already, please send in your introduction to the > list. > For examples, visit > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/219 Message Board Post: Looking for the family of Orlin Sackett Roscoe Minnesota. Have a Family Bible Orlin Sackett is listed under deaths. Believe Orlin married Ann Elizabeth HANSCAM ~ HANSCOM born 1839 Maine. Sister to my g-grandmother Martha Melvina Hanscam Rehling. Recently visited the SACKETT website. Here found Orlin married twice would like to know if what type of information to support Mina was is second wife. SURNAME~KRAMER Sharon KRAMER listed married to Gerald DRAZO is incorrect should be DRAZEN~DRAZAN- Gerald would be related to Ann Elizabeth Hanscam. Possible connection to WITT also. Thank you. Gail Rehling (Minnesota) g4j3s@msn.com