After I sent the note asking about the family in the 1850 census (below) I discovered that the household of Phil? Sackett in 1850 is probably the same as Orville Sackett in 1860: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Dutchess; Township: Stanford Roll: M432_497 Page: 206 137/137 Sackett, Phil? 52 m farmer NY Sackett, Emmy 44 f NY Sackett, Ann 20 f NY Sackett, Catherine B. 19 f NY Sackett, Elisa B. 17 f NY Sackett, Samuel O. 15 m NY Sackett, Stephen W. 13 m NY Sackett, William B. 12 m NY Sackett, George W. 10 m NY Sackett, Lucinda J. 9 f NY Sackett, Silas W. 6 m NY Sackett, Ada M. 4 f NY Sackett, Sara E. 2 f NY Sackett, Mary E. 2 f NY 1860 census Stanford, Dutchess, New York page 1113, family 2940 Sackett, Orville, age 62, b. NY, Farmer Sackett, A. (Fe), age 54, b. NY Sackett, C.B. (Fe), age 29, b. NY Sackett, E.B. (M), age 27, b. NY Sackett, S.W. (M), age 25, b. NY Sackett, W.B. (M), age 23, b. NY Sackett, L(?).J. (Fe), age 18, b. NY Sackett, S.W. (M), age 16, b. NY Sackett, M.E. (Fe), age 12, b. NY The daughter Ann, age 20 in the 1850 census is probably the Anna H. Sackett who married David Crego about 1853. Thurmon Accurate Information is our goal.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:08:50 -0400 <louellas@endor.com> writes: <SNIP> > Looks like the last one in Stanford, there are other > Sacketts in Dutchess Co. not in Stanford. Do you want > those Thurmon? Louella: I always welcome any Sackett related census information I can get. So, as long as you are willing to do the census lookups ... I really appreciate it. At the same time, I know what it is like to decipher some of the hand writing on some of those census images. I transcribed most of the 1790-1850 Sackett data while I had a subscription to Ancestry's census images online. And before the LDS put the 1880 census online at their website there were others who had the 50 CDs of the 1880 census, published by the LDS, and sent the Sackett information to me. And as you have noticed, I made some errors in my transcriptions and there are probably some errors in the transcriptions in the LDS index of the 1880 census. So it is nice to have another opinion of the data from the images. I believe it is still true that Ancestry.com does not have the 1860 and 1870 censuses indexed yet and looking for an individual without an index was very tedious to say the least. In one of your notes you said: "page 239a supposed to have a Phineas Sacket, age 64, born New York but can't read this page" Could you send me a copy of that image? There have been times I have been able to use my graphics programs to manipulate some of the images to make some of the data readable. I'm interested in a family I found in the 1850 census: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Dutchess; Township: Stanford Roll: M432_497 Page: 206 137/137 Sackett, Phil? 52 m farmer NY Sackett, Emmy 44 f NY Sackett, Ann 20 f NY Sackett, Catherine B. 19 f NY Sackett, Elisa B. 17 f NY Sackett, Samuel O. 15 m NY Sackett, Stephen W. 13 m NY Sackett, William B. 12 m NY Sackett, George W. 10 m NY Sackett, Lucinda J. 9 f NY Sackett, Silas W. 6 m NY Sackett, Ada M. 4 f NY Sackett, Sara E. 2 f NY Sackett, Mary E. 2 f NY I don't remember what the problem was that I couldn't read the name of the head of household. But in my search of the Columbia Co., NY web pages I found a David Crego who married a Miss Anna H. Sackett of Dutchess Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycolumb/crego.htm David Crego "Along with the history of the Van Burens, Hogebooms, Vanderpoels, and hosts of other statesmen, judges, and professional celebrities of Columbia county, it is fitting that some of the real representatives of the people should be noticed, -- that the men upon whose shoulders the burdens and responsibilities of this great republic chiefly rest should be assigned their proper place in these annals. And of these we may mention David Crego, of Claverack. He was the son of David Crego, who was born in Columbia county, and was married to Miss Susannah Poultney. They reared a family of nine children, named as follows: Polly, William, Fanny, Betsey, Thankful, Zubah, Clarissa, Emeline, and David. David Crego, Sr., lived to the advanced age of ninety-five years. Mrs. Susannah Crego died in 1848, at the age of seventy-one. After her death, Mr. Crego, Sr., was married to Mrs. Landrus; there were no children by this marriage. She also died several years before his decease. David Crego, Jr., was born in the town of Lebanon, on the 19th day of January, 1813; soon after his birth the family removed to Hillsdale, where they remained seventeen hears; they then sold out, and removed to Chatham Four Corners. David attended the common schools, and assisted in the labors of the farm until several years after he became of age. At the age of twenty-two, in 1834, he was united in marriage to Miss Sarah Briggs, of Dutchess county. In 1834 he sold out in Chatham, and purchased a farm of two hundred and twenty-five acres in the town of Claverack, -- beautifully situated about one mile south of Claverack village, which has ever since been his home. Mrs. Crego died in 1851, at the age of thirty-six years, and two years later Mr. Crego filled the vacancy in his household by choosing another companion, -- Miss Anna H. Sackett, of Dutchess county. By his first wife he has two sons, Walton O. and George W., who are both married; and by his second wife he has two children, Charles S. and Sarah B., both at home with the parents." I found David Crego listed in the 1880 census: Census Place Claverack, Columbia, New York Family History Library Film 1254820 NA Film Number T9-0820 Page Number 119A David CREGO Self M Male W 65 NY Farmer NY NY Anna CREGO Wife M Female W 50 NY Keeping House NY NY Charles CREGO Son S Male W 22 NY NY NY Sarah CREGO Dau S Female W 18 NY NY NY From this census data Anna would have been 20 years old in the 1850 census and there is an Ann Sackett in the household of Phil? Sackett above. I haven't found another Ann/Anne/Anna in the data I have for Sacketts in Dutchess Co. in the 1850 census. Thurmon ----- Accurate information is our goal.

Sept 1860 census Stanford, Dutchess Co. New York page 1090, family 2759 Sackett, Saml J., age 54, born New York, Farmer Gordon, A., age 44, " " Looks like the last one in Stanford, there are other Sacketts in Dutchess Co. not in Stanford. Do you want those Thurmon?

1860 census Stanford, Dutchess, New York page 1102, family 2854 Sacket, John S., age 51, born New York, , M. (Fe), age 46, " " Bartlett, Rich^d, age 19, " " Snyder, Dolly, age 9, " " page 1099a, family 2829 Sackett, Asa A., age 48, born New York, Farmer , R. (Fe), age 40, " " , B. ( M), age 18, " " , J.R. (M), age 13, " " , S.S. (M), age 9, " " , A.A. (M), age 6, " " , R. (Fe), age 4, " " same page, family 2832 Sackett, Samuel H., age 46, born New York, Farmer , A.(Fe), age 49, born New York , N.C. (M), age 25, " " , J. (Fe), age 22, " " , S.E. (FE), age 18, " " , A.A. (Fe), age 17, " " , Md. (Fe), age 11, " " , J. C. (Fe), age 8, " " page 1112, family 2930 (Henry on same page, family 2928) Sackett, William, age 27, born New York, Farmer , G.S (Fe), age 25, " " , H.M.(M), age 9/12, " " Wood, Henry, age 19, born New York, Farm Laborer same page, family 2933 Family of Benjamin & M. Donelly Sackett, Sarah E., age 12, born New York , E.B. (Fe), age 8, " " page 1094, family 2794 Sackett, Leonard, age 62, born New York, Farmer , Ruth, age 58, " " , E. (Fe), age 26, " " , H. (M), age 23, " " , E. (Fe), age 20, " " , S. (Fe), age 18, " " , S. (M), age 16, " " , H, (M), age 13, " " The H could be an N. page 1113, family 2940 Sackett, Orville, age 62, born New York, Farmer , A. (Fe), age 54, " " , C.B. (Fe), age 29, " " , E.B. (M), age 27, " " , S.W. (M), age 25, " " , W.B. (M), age 23, " " , L(?).J. (Fe), age 18, " " , S.W. (M), age 16, " " , M.E. (Fe), age 12, " " page 1116, family 2961 Sackett, Phenix, age 56, born New York, Farmer , E.M. (Fe), age 53, " " , T. (Fe), age 22, " " , M. (Fe), age 17, " " , E. (M), age 14, " " then a farm laborer & domestic, then Gurnsey, Carrie A., age 14, born New York page 1095, family 2800 Sackett, Hunting, age 39, born New York, Farmer laborer , Bridgett, age 35, born Ireland , J. (M), age 7, born New York , S. (Fe), age 5, " " , E. (Fe), age 4/12, " " At least one more but I have to quit, getting late -----Original Message----- From: Thurmon E. King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:08 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] 1764-Harry Sackett and Catherine Pulver 'owdy again' After I sent this message I discovered that I goofed. It appears that Catherine A. Sackett in the 1850 census and Alida C. Sackett in the 1880 census are the same person. Thurmon On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:05:27 -0700 "Thurmon E. King" <thurmonking@juno.com> writes: > Hello Sackett Searchers; > > While entering information from the Federal censuses into the > Sackett > database I have run across a "little problem" concerning the family > of > 1764-Harry Sackett and Catherine Pulver. > > Weygant has: > 1764. Harry Sackett, 1800-1874, farmer, of Hull's Mills, Dutchess > County, N. Y., son of (731) Samuel W. and Anna Hammond Sackett, was > married, first to Catherine Pulver, 1808-1839, and several years > after > her death to Mariah Pulver. They were the daughters of William W. > Pulver, 1773-1861, and his wife Christean > > Page 269 > > Mullins, 1780-1826, and the granddaughter of Wandell Pulver, > 1735-1826, > and his wife Susanna, and the great-granddaughter of Peter Pulver, > 1708-1794, and his wife Catherine, and the > great-great-granddaughters of > Johannis Pulver of Livingston Manor. > <SNIP> > Children. > > 4403. Jason Sackett. > 4404. Edward B. Sackett. > 4405. Alida Sackett. > ----------- > When I entered this information into the database I had shown > Catherine > Pulver as their mother. Census information indicates that this was > an > error on my part. > > Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Dutchess; Township: Stanford > Roll: M432_497 Page: 206 > 147/147 > Sackett, Henry 49 m farmer > NY > Sackett, Polly 38 f > NY > Sackett, William P. 17 m NY > Sackett, Edwin B. 6 m > NY > Sackett, Catherine A. 4 f > NY > Sackett, Jason M. 1 m > NY > > >From this census we have two additional children for Harry/Henry > Sackett: > William P. Sackett (b. c1833) which would make him a son from > Henry's 1st > marriage to Catherine Pulver who died in 1839. And Catherine A. > Sackett > (b. c 1846) with Edwin/Edward B., Alida, and Jason M. who were > probably > all the children of Henry by his 2nd wife, Mariah "Polly" Pulver. > > I do not have the census information for this family for 1860 and > 1870. > But the 1880 census has something interesting: > 1880 census; Stanford, Dutchess, New York > FHL Film 1254825 National Archives Film T9-0825 Page 371A > Polly SACKETT Self > F W W 70 NY Keeping > House NY NY > Edward B. SACKETT Son > M S W 37 NY Farmer NY NY > Alida C. SACKETT Dau > F S W 35 NY Teaching > School NY NY > Jason M. SACKETT Son > M S W 32 NY Farmer > NY NY > James SACKETT Son > M S W 11 NY At > School NY NY > Clara SELLECK Other > F S W 13 NY At > School NY NY > Daisie SELLECK Other > F S W 11 NY At > School NY NY > Jonathan SELLECK Other > M S W 7 NY At > School NY NY > > Polly's sons; Edward and Jason are listed as single. But the > household > has James Sackett, son, age 11. Now I believe that at age 70 Polly > would > not be the mother of James. The most likely father of James would > be > Edward, or possibly, Jason. Perhaps the 1860 and 1870 censuses > would > help clear this up. > > Another question would be; are the SELLECK children related? > > Thurmon > ------ > Accurate information is our goal. > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks attachments. So sharing photos is not possible > through > the list; send off-list individually. If you have a text file you > wish to share, save it as text and insert the text into your > message. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. 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Louella: Thank you for the census information. For the family of 1776-Leonard Sackett; I'm beginning to think that Weygant, and others, have made a mistake concerning the children; Eunice, Henry, and J. Smith/Smith J. Their ages in the 1870 and 1880 census do not fit with the family of Leonard and his wife Ruth in the 1850 census. And the 1870 census has the three listed with a 68 year old Cath. Sackett who would appear to be their mother. I did not find any of the three in the 1850 census pages I transcribed. Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Dutchess; Township: Stanford Roll: M432_497 Page: 211 237/237 Sackett, Leonard B. 52 m farmer NY Sackett, Ruth 48 f NY Sackett, Cordeulia 20 f NY Sackett, Jane E. 16 f NY Sackett, Hiram L. 13 m NY Sackett, Emily 10 f NY 1870 census, Stanford, Dutchess Co., New York, page 238a, family 213 Sacket, Smith J., age 25, born New York, Farmer Sacket, Cath , age 68, " " , Keeps house Sacket, Henry, age 23, " " , Laborer Sacket, Unice, age 35, " " 1880; Stanford, Dutchess, New York FHL Film 1254825 National Archives Film T9-0825 Page 354C Smith J. SACKETT Self M S W 36 NY Farmer NY NY Henry G. SACKETT Brother M S W 33 NY Farmer NY NY Eunice SACKETT Sister F S W 45 NY Keeping House ----------------- For the family of Henry Sackett; I think it is rather interesting that in the 1860 census William P. and Edwin/Edward B. are not listed in the household and in the 1870 census Catherine A is not enumerated in the household and that in the 1880 census Catherine A. (Alida C.) and Edward are back home with their widowed mother. I guess that for now all we can do is speculate about 11 year old James in the 1880 census. Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Dutchess; Township: Stanford Roll: M432_497 Page: 206 147/147 Sackett, Henry 49 m farmer NY [W #1764] Sackett, Polly 38 f NY Sackett, William P. 17 m NY Sackett, Edwin B. 6 m NY [W #4404] Sackett, Catherine A. 4 f NY [W #4405] Sackett, Jason M. 1 m NY [W #4403] 1860 census Stanford, Dutchess Co., New York, page 1112 Sackett, Henry, age 54, born New York, Farmer Sackett, P. (Fe), age 48, " " Sackett, J. (M), age 12, " " Sackett, C.E.(Fe), age 14, " " July 1870 census, Stanford, Dutchess Co., New York, page 248a, family 380 Sacket, Henry, age 68, born New York, Farmer Sacket, Polly, age 50, " " , Keeps house Sacket, Jason, age 21, " " , Laborer 1880 census; Stanford, Dutchess, New York FHL Film 1254825 National Archives Film T9-0825 Page 371A Polly SACKETT Self F W W 70 NY Keeping House NY NY Edward B. SACKETT Son M S W 37 NY Farmer NY NY Alida C. SACKETT Dau F S W 35 NY Teaching School NY NY Jason M. SACKETT Son M S W 32 NY Farmer NY NY James SACKETT Son M S W 11 NY At School NY NY Thurmon

1860 census Stanford, Dutchess Co., New York, page 1112 Sackett, Henry, age 54, born New York, Farmer , P. (Fe), age 48, " " , J. (M), age 12, " " , C.E.(Fe), age 14, " " Conly, Kate, age 24, born Ireland, Domestic July 1870 census, Stanford, Dutchess Co., New York, page 248a, family 380 Sacket, Henry, age 68, born New York, Farmer , Polly, age 50, " " , Keeps house , Jason, age 21, " " , Laborer Dingey, Hannah?, age 25, born Connecticut, Sirvant (sic) page 249b, family 404 Sacket, Samuel, age 58, born New York, Farmer , Amy, age 59, " " " , Keeps house , Amy A., age 25, " " " page 249b, family 406 Sacket, Johiel, age 24, born New York, Farmer , Rhoda, age 50, " " , Keeps house , Rhoda, age 14, " " , Asa, age 17, " " , Laborer page 249b, family 409 Sacket, Nathan, age 35, born New York, Farmer , Libbie, age 41, " " , Keeps house Bertus, Fannie, age 8, " " 2 laborers page 249b, family 410 Sacket, Byron, age 28, born New York, Farmer , Carrie, age 24, " " , Keeps house Greene, Hall (M), age 13, " " page 232a, family 100 Sackett, Hirum, age 32, born New York, Laborer , Mary, age 22, " " , Keeps house page 238a, family 213 Sacket, Smith J., age 25, born New York, Farmer , Cath , age 68, " " , Keeps house , Henry, age 23, " " , Laborer , Unice, age 35, " " Lasher, Franklin, age 18, " " page 239a supposed to have a Phineas Sacket, age 64, born New York but can't read this page page 244a, family 309 Sacket, Samuel, age 64, born New York, Farmer Gordon, Almira, age 54, " " , Housekeeper No 1 year old James in any of these households there are other Sacket/t in Dutchess County & Columbia County that didn't look at. No Edward in Dutchess County in 1870..there is an Edward Sacket, age 25, born New York, Clerk in Store in a Boarding House in 15th Ward, New York city. page 561b, -----Original Message----- From: Thurmon E. King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:05 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SACKETT-L] 1764-Harry Sackett and Catherine Pulver Hello Sackett Searchers; While entering information from the Federal censuses into the Sackett database I have run across a "little problem" concerning the family of 1764-Harry Sackett and Catherine Pulver. Weygant has: 1764. Harry Sackett, 1800-1874, farmer, of Hull's Mills, Dutchess County, N. Y., son of (731) Samuel W. and Anna Hammond Sackett, was married, first to Catherine Pulver, 1808-1839, and several years after her death to Mariah Pulver. They were the daughters of William W. Pulver, 1773-1861, and his wife Christean Page 269 Mullins, 1780-1826, and the granddaughter of Wandell Pulver, 1735-1826, and his wife Susanna, and the great-granddaughter of Peter Pulver, 1708-1794, and his wife Catherine, and the great-great-granddaughters of Johannis Pulver of Livingston Manor. <SNIP> Children. 4403. Jason Sackett. 4404. Edward B. Sackett. 4405. Alida Sackett. ----------- When I entered this information into the database I had shown Catherine Pulver as their mother. Census information indicates that this was an error on my part. Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Dutchess; Township: Stanford Roll: M432_497 Page: 206 147/147 Sackett, Henry 49 m farmer NY Sackett, Polly 38 f NY Sackett, William P. 17 m NY Sackett, Edwin B. 6 m NY Sackett, Catherine A. 4 f NY Sackett, Jason M. 1 m NY >From this census we have two additional children for Harry/Henry Sackett: William P. Sackett (b. c1833) which would make him a son from Henry's 1st marriage to Catherine Pulver who died in 1839. And Catherine A. Sackett (b. c 1846) with Edwin/Edward B., Alida, and Jason M. who were probably all the children of Henry by his 2nd wife, Mariah "Polly" Pulver. I do not have the census information for this family for 1860 and 1870. But the 1880 census has something interesting: 1880 census; Stanford, Dutchess, New York FHL Film 1254825 National Archives Film T9-0825 Page 371A Polly SACKETT Self F W W 70 NY Keeping House NY NY Edward B. SACKETT Son M S W 37 NY Farmer NY NY Alida C. SACKETT Dau F S W 35 NY Teaching School NY NY Jason M. SACKETT Son M S W 32 NY Farmer NY NY James SACKETT Son M S W 11 NY At School NY NY Clara SELLECK Other F S W 13 NY At School NY NY Daisie SELLECK Other F S W 11 NY At School NY NY Jonathan SELLECK Other M S W 7 NY At School NY NY Polly's sons; Edward and Jason are listed as single. But the household has James Sackett, son, age 11. Now I believe that at age 70 Polly would not be the mother of James. The most likely father of James would be Edward, or possibly, Jason. Perhaps the 1860 and 1870 censuses would help clear this up. Another question would be; are the SELLECK children related? Thurmon ------ Accurate information is our goal. ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== RootsWeb blocks attachments. So sharing photos is not possible through the list; send off-list individually. If you have a text file you wish to share, save it as text and insert the text into your message. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I didn't think much of it at that time. This morning the local TV stations were giving "wall to wall" coverage of the arrival of President Bush at the airport in Pasco, WA and the motorcade leaving for a visit to the Ice Harbor Dam on the Snake River near here. This event brings to mind an event from my childhood. In 1940 we were living in a house located in a pasture about 1/2 mile SE of the Marietta Cemetery, Marietta, OK and about a mile from Marietta. Those of us in school would catch a bus south of our home which took us to school in Marietta. As a result of me spending two years in Primary class and having missed the 1938/1939 school year, I was a 10 year old 3rd grader. One day everyone in the school, primary through high school, were taken out of class, marched three blocks over to the Railroad Station where we stood and watched a train come in from the south and stopped with the last car of the train near us. Then a man came out of the last car and gave a speech from the platform on the back of the car. Although it didn't make that much of an impression on me at that time ... I had just heard one of the "whistle stop" speeches given by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Thurmon

Thurmon, We new you weren't sleeping with the rest of us. We know how Nancy is just lazing around as school starts back up and some bazillion cadets show up with laptops and viruses. I am taking an HTML class for degree for about the next 10 weeks and I have already found some of the problems with my page. Hopefully it will be back up and running soon, with all those Sackett War Records. It is so nice when school and hobby's collide to make things work. :-D If I don't have it up and running after these two class I am really in trouble. I was beginning to think I would have to start over to fix it and I was NOT looking forward to that. I am also trying to get ready for a major life adjustment as my only son will be leaving home to go into the Navy. I wonder if this is as bad as a spouse retiring, since we will have so much more time for each other. OK with us both working full time, me going to school full time, and my addiction (genealogy) maybe it won't be a problem. Liesa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thurmon E. King" <thurmonking@juno.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: [SACKETT-L] Sackett research activity > Hello Sackett Searchers: > > As Nancy indicated earlier; it appears that everyone has gotten busy with > "back to school" activities and/or vacations. What ever the cause, the > activity on the SACKETT-L sort of "died" and I even recieved notes asking > me if there was a problem with RootsWeb's servers. > > But there has been plenty of activity coming my way from visitors to the > Sacketts of America website and in connection with the search for > information about the family of Orlin Sackett of NY and MN. > I hope to have the updated information for Orlin and his descendants > uploaded in a week or so; even though I believe that there will be more > information coming in before long. > > And, as has been the case for quite some time now, Mary Lou Sackett and I > have exchanged a "wad" of emails as we compare notes on the information > we have on the different Sackett lines. And especially on the Sacketts > who have had a connection with MIchigan. > > This past week I was contacted by a descendant of 583-Rolin Sackett and > Lovina Edson through their son Harvey Sackett and Mary Straw, and their > daughter Elizabeth Sackett and Rev. Robert Jackson Gifford [we have > GRIFFIN]. There is the promise of supplying information on this line as > soon as documentation is completed. > > Also received this past week was information for 1227-David Hammond > Sackett which corrects some incorrect information for him and extends his > line some. > > So, this is part of the research activity that is taking place off the > mailing list. > > Thurmon > ----- > Accurate information is our goal. > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set your > email software to text only before posting a message to the list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Sackett Researchers: I've run across another problem relating to what Weygant has for a family and what I am able to find in the census data as well as internet searches. This problem concerns the family of 1776-Leonard Sackett (b. 1798) and Ruth Gildersleeve: Weygant, page 270: 1776. Leonard Sackett, 1798-1868, of Dutchess County, N. Y., son of (737) Joel and Betsey Husted Sackett, was married to Ruth Gildersleeve. Children. 4436. Eunice Sackett. 4437. J. Smith Sackett, b. in 1844. 4438. Henry Sackett. ---------------------- The only Leonard Sackett with a wife named Ruth that I am able to find in the 1850 census is: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Dutchess; Township: Stanford Roll: M432_497 Page: 211 237/237 Sackett, Leonard B. 52 m farmer NY [W #1776] Sackett, Ruth 48 f NY Sackett, Cordeulia 20 f NY [Cornelia?] Sackett, Jane E. 16 f NY Sackett, Hiram L. 13 m NY Sackett, Emily 10 f NY This family does not have any of the children listed by Weygant on page 270. However, an internet search produced a hit at: http://members.aol.com/hugahusky/index/sackett.htm which lists the children from Weygant AND the children in the 1850 census: Children of Joel and Betsey (HUSTED) SACKETT: <SNIP> Leonard SACKETT; Born: Sep 7, 1797 Married: 1st: 10 Jan 1827 to Ruth GILDERSLEEVE by Isaac Sutherland Died: 1 or 17 May 1866 Children of Leonard and Ruth (GILDERSLEEVE) SACKETT: 1. Cornelia SACKETT; Born: 28 Apr 1830; Married: Elias THOMPSON; Died: 2. Eunice SACKETT; Born: 8 Mar 1832; Married: Died: 3. Jane Elizabeth SACKETT; Born: 10 Aug 1834; Married: Died: 4. Hiram L. SACKETT; Born: 15 Aug 1837; Married: Died: 5. Emma SACKETT; Born: 13 Aug 1839 in Stanford, Columbia; Married: Theron KNICKERBOCKER; Died: 6. Sarah M. SACKETT; Born: 17 Feb 1842; Married: Died: 7. Smith J. SACKETT; Born: 19 Mar 1844 in Stanford, Dutchess; Married: Died: 8. Henry SACKETT; Born: Dec 1847; Married: 7 July 1814 to Polly PULVER (dau. of William W. of Pine Plains); Died: [NOTE: This would be "a medical marvel" insofar as he was married 33 years before he was born!] 9. Joel SACKETT; Born: 29 Jun 1828; Married: Died: This listing presents a problem because the birth dates given for Smith J. Sackett (1844), Henry Sackett (1847) and Eunice Sackett (1832) indicate that at least the two boys should have been listed in Leonard's household in the 1850 census. And the 1880 census shows that the birth years for the three is close to the dates given on the "hugahusky" website above: 1880; Stanford, Dutchess, NY FHL Film 1254825 National Archives Film T9-0825 Page 354C Smith J. SACKETT Self M S W 36 NY Farmer NY NY Henry G. SACKETT Brother M S W 33 NY Farmer NY NY Eunice SACKETT Sister F S W 45 NY Keeping House NY NY It appears that I missed the family which included these three children as I searched the 1850 census. So, then, my question is: Does anyone on the SACKETT-L have anything, or have access to resources that will help clear this up? Thurmon ------- Accurate information is our goal.

FYI... http://valleyforgemusterroll.org/QueryMSAccess.asp This site was shared on my COUNTRYMAN-L list. You are able to search the muster role for people who served at Valley Forge during the Revolution. When you search for sacket, the following appears: ID Number Last First State Rank Regiment Please Select NY22674 SACKET SAMUEL NY CAPTAIN 4 NY NY22674 CT15271 SACKET THOMAS CT PRIVATE 7 CT CT15271 VA02330 Sackett James VA Surgeons Mate 14 VA VA02330 NY22575 SACKETT PETER NY ADJUTANT 4 NY NY22575 CT29646 SACKETT THOMAS CT Private 7 CT CT29646 Each one of the listings has a link but there isn't all that much information except for James from VA. At one place it states: April 1778: Court Martial/Resigned And at the bottom, it states: Tried for being Absent Without Leave and convicted. He was also charged with neglect of procurement and acquitted. Date of resignation 24 April 1778. I hope this isn't a repeat. I don't remember it, if it is but that wouldn't be unusual. Better a repeat than not at all!! Later...Nancy Later...Nancy Nancy Cluff Siders Acting TSFA President and List Admin for: CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb

'owdy again' After I sent this message I discovered that I goofed. It appears that Catherine A. Sackett in the 1850 census and Alida C. Sackett in the 1880 census are the same person. Thurmon On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:05:27 -0700 "Thurmon E. King" <thurmonking@juno.com> writes: > Hello Sackett Searchers; > > While entering information from the Federal censuses into the > Sackett > database I have run across a "little problem" concerning the family > of > 1764-Harry Sackett and Catherine Pulver. > > Weygant has: > 1764. Harry Sackett, 1800-1874, farmer, of Hull's Mills, Dutchess > County, N. Y., son of (731) Samuel W. and Anna Hammond Sackett, was > married, first to Catherine Pulver, 1808-1839, and several years > after > her death to Mariah Pulver. They were the daughters of William W. > Pulver, 1773-1861, and his wife Christean > > Page 269 > > Mullins, 1780-1826, and the granddaughter of Wandell Pulver, > 1735-1826, > and his wife Susanna, and the great-granddaughter of Peter Pulver, > 1708-1794, and his wife Catherine, and the > great-great-granddaughters of > Johannis Pulver of Livingston Manor. > <SNIP> > Children. > > 4403. Jason Sackett. > 4404. Edward B. Sackett. > 4405. Alida Sackett. > ----------- > When I entered this information into the database I had shown > Catherine > Pulver as their mother. Census information indicates that this was > an > error on my part. > > Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Dutchess; Township: Stanford > Roll: M432_497 Page: 206 > 147/147 > Sackett, Henry 49 m farmer > NY > Sackett, Polly 38 f > NY > Sackett, William P. 17 m NY > Sackett, Edwin B. 6 m > NY > Sackett, Catherine A. 4 f > NY > Sackett, Jason M. 1 m > NY > > >From this census we have two additional children for Harry/Henry > Sackett: > William P. Sackett (b. c1833) which would make him a son from > Henry's 1st > marriage to Catherine Pulver who died in 1839. And Catherine A. > Sackett > (b. c 1846) with Edwin/Edward B., Alida, and Jason M. who were > probably > all the children of Henry by his 2nd wife, Mariah "Polly" Pulver. > > I do not have the census information for this family for 1860 and > 1870. > But the 1880 census has something interesting: > 1880 census; Stanford, Dutchess, New York > FHL Film 1254825 National Archives Film T9-0825 Page 371A > Polly SACKETT Self > F W W 70 NY Keeping > House NY NY > Edward B. SACKETT Son > M S W 37 NY Farmer NY NY > Alida C. SACKETT Dau > F S W 35 NY Teaching > School NY NY > Jason M. SACKETT Son > M S W 32 NY Farmer > NY NY > James SACKETT Son > M S W 11 NY At > School NY NY > Clara SELLECK Other > F S W 13 NY At > School NY NY > Daisie SELLECK Other > F S W 11 NY At > School NY NY > Jonathan SELLECK Other > M S W 7 NY At > School NY NY > > Polly's sons; Edward and Jason are listed as single. But the > household > has James Sackett, son, age 11. Now I believe that at age 70 Polly > would > not be the mother of James. The most likely father of James would > be > Edward, or possibly, Jason. Perhaps the 1860 and 1870 censuses > would > help clear this up. > > Another question would be; are the SELLECK children related? > > Thurmon > ------ > Accurate information is our goal. > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks attachments. So sharing photos is not possible > through > the list; send off-list individually. If you have a text file you > wish to share, save it as text and insert the text into your > message. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Sackett Searchers; While entering information from the Federal censuses into the Sackett database I have run across a "little problem" concerning the family of 1764-Harry Sackett and Catherine Pulver. Weygant has: 1764. Harry Sackett, 1800-1874, farmer, of Hull's Mills, Dutchess County, N. Y., son of (731) Samuel W. and Anna Hammond Sackett, was married, first to Catherine Pulver, 1808-1839, and several years after her death to Mariah Pulver. They were the daughters of William W. Pulver, 1773-1861, and his wife Christean Page 269 Mullins, 1780-1826, and the granddaughter of Wandell Pulver, 1735-1826, and his wife Susanna, and the great-granddaughter of Peter Pulver, 1708-1794, and his wife Catherine, and the great-great-granddaughters of Johannis Pulver of Livingston Manor. <SNIP> Children. 4403. Jason Sackett. 4404. Edward B. Sackett. 4405. Alida Sackett. ----------- When I entered this information into the database I had shown Catherine Pulver as their mother. Census information indicates that this was an error on my part. Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Dutchess; Township: Stanford Roll: M432_497 Page: 206 147/147 Sackett, Henry 49 m farmer NY Sackett, Polly 38 f NY Sackett, William P. 17 m NY Sackett, Edwin B. 6 m NY Sackett, Catherine A. 4 f NY Sackett, Jason M. 1 m NY >From this census we have two additional children for Harry/Henry Sackett: William P. Sackett (b. c1833) which would make him a son from Henry's 1st marriage to Catherine Pulver who died in 1839. And Catherine A. Sackett (b. c 1846) with Edwin/Edward B., Alida, and Jason M. who were probably all the children of Henry by his 2nd wife, Mariah "Polly" Pulver. I do not have the census information for this family for 1860 and 1870. But the 1880 census has something interesting: 1880 census; Stanford, Dutchess, New York FHL Film 1254825 National Archives Film T9-0825 Page 371A Polly SACKETT Self F W W 70 NY Keeping House NY NY Edward B. SACKETT Son M S W 37 NY Farmer NY NY Alida C. SACKETT Dau F S W 35 NY Teaching School NY NY Jason M. SACKETT Son M S W 32 NY Farmer NY NY James SACKETT Son M S W 11 NY At School NY NY Clara SELLECK Other F S W 13 NY At School NY NY Daisie SELLECK Other F S W 11 NY At School NY NY Jonathan SELLECK Other M S W 7 NY At School NY NY Polly's sons; Edward and Jason are listed as single. But the household has James Sackett, son, age 11. Now I believe that at age 70 Polly would not be the mother of James. The most likely father of James would be Edward, or possibly, Jason. Perhaps the 1860 and 1870 censuses would help clear this up. Another question would be; are the SELLECK children related? Thurmon ------ Accurate information is our goal.

I just wanted to those know who may have found out recetly they can make it to SLC in Sep (24-30 Sep) for the first Sackett Association Meeting but did not sign up because they were unsure that there are still a couple of rooms availble. If you are one of these people send me an email right away so we can still get you the discounted rate. Liesa Robarge List admin for SMITH-NEW-ENGLAND, Coffinger, Christian, and Tarbox http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sackettmckayhistory/LiesasLineage/index.htm

Hello Sackett Searchers: As Nancy indicated earlier; it appears that everyone has gotten busy with "back to school" activities and/or vacations. What ever the cause, the activity on the SACKETT-L sort of "died" and I even recieved notes asking me if there was a problem with RootsWeb's servers. But there has been plenty of activity coming my way from visitors to the Sacketts of America website and in connection with the search for information about the family of Orlin Sackett of NY and MN. I hope to have the updated information for Orlin and his descendants uploaded in a week or so; even though I believe that there will be more information coming in before long. And, as has been the case for quite some time now, Mary Lou Sackett and I have exchanged a "wad" of emails as we compare notes on the information we have on the different Sackett lines. And especially on the Sacketts who have had a connection with MIchigan. This past week I was contacted by a descendant of 583-Rolin Sackett and Lovina Edson through their son Harvey Sackett and Mary Straw, and their daughter Elizabeth Sackett and Rev. Robert Jackson Gifford [we have GRIFFIN]. There is the promise of supplying information on this line as soon as documentation is completed. Also received this past week was information for 1227-David Hammond Sackett which corrects some incorrect information for him and extends his line some. So, this is part of the research activity that is taking place off the mailing list. Thurmon ----- Accurate information is our goal.

NEHGS Library Catalog Title Index Search Results for "Sackett": 0001 Author: Ross, Margaret Haskell, 1949-1989. Author: Jones, Hope Haskell, 1934- Author: Polakoff, Eileen. Ancestors of the children of Amory and Annette Haskell : Amory, Beekman, Brent, BurtonBurnell, Coffin, De Boogh, Dodge, Edwards, Gedney, Grosch, Harmensen, Hart, Haskell, Hooper, Hunt, Jackson, Jessup, Lovett, Marsters, McSweney, Moore, O'Sullivan, Patch, Riker, Rycken, Sackett, Schmal, Stevens, Thistle, Tilford, Weir, Williams, Winborne, Winthrop, Woodberry, Woodbury and other surnames. 0002 Author: Weygant, Charles H., 1839-1909. The Colonists Simon and John Sackett and Their Descendants. 0003 The Family Record : devoted for 1897 to the Sackett, the Weygant and the Mapes Families, and to Ancestors of their Intersecting Lines. 0004 Author: Weygant, Charles H., 1839-1909. Family Record : Consisting of Genealogical Table and Biographical Notes Relating to Ancestors of Adam Tredwell Sackett, Their Children, and Children's Children. 0005 Author: McCormick, Ruth Wonser Our family heritage of Sackett, Tunison, French and Wonser families with appendix of Beekman's and Brasier's 0006 Author: Frost, Josephine C., 1864-1942. The Strang genealogy : descendants of Daniel Streing, of New Rochelle, New York, with special records of the Purdy, Ganung, Kissam, Sackett, Bloomfield, Keeler, Belcher, Morgan, Whitney and Thorne families. ============================================================== NEHGS Library Catalog Title Index Search Results for "Sacket": 0001 Author: Holman, Winifred Lovering, 1899-1989. The History of my grandmother Sacket - Stanton. ============================================================== Traffic had come to a halt on SACKETT-L for the first time in a long time. To prove to potential doubters that they are subbed, I'm sending this bit of information. I thought I ought to get a little something out of my subscription to NEHGS! ;) Chris, I'm wondering if we have all of these in the "Books" section of SACKETT-L's web page...? I'll check someday but not tonight! ;) It's still a ZOO at work! G'Evenin'!! Later...Nancy Nancy Cluff Siders Acting TSFA President and List Admin for: CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb

Hi Sackett Searchers: For those researching the descendants of 184-Zavan Sacktt and Abigail Bills; yesterday I received some information that was new to me. This past week Dianne Cobb sent me a copy of an article concerning Jacob T. Sackett, blacksmith, gunsmith and violin maker from the 2003 Summer Edition of the Crawford County Historical Society Newsletter. I sent a note to the editor of the newsletter asking for permission to use the article and for contact info for the arthor of the article. I have been given permission to use the article by the newsletter editor and by the arthor of the article. From: Thurmon E. King <thurmonking@juno.com> To: wbmoore@gremlan.org Cc: byllesby@alltel.net Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 11:18:56 -0700 Subject: Jacob T. Sackett violin William Moore: A am a Sackett family historian working with the members of the SACKETT-L@roorsweb.com and the newly formed The Sackett Family Association in an effort to update and extend the information found in Charles Weygant's book "The Sacketts of America." Two years ago we recieved a query from a Ben Lee, a violinist, who had purchased a J. T. Sackett violin and was seeking informatioin concerning the maker of the violin. From: "Bin Lee" <blee@sgi.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:28:36 -0400 To: <wsacket@mail.ccc.cccd.edu> Subject: J. T. Sackett Violin Hello! I am a violinist and I recently bought a violin made by a J. T. Sackett in Saegertown, Pennsylvania and I've been searching the internet looking for information about him ... If you are related or know of a violin maker named J.T. Sackett, could you please reply with information about him, his background, and his professional history? Thank you and sorry for bothering you! At that time none of us had any information concerning J. T. Sackett and after several researchers combined their efforts we were able to make a connection for him and sent that information to Mr. Lee. This week I received a copy of your article about Jacob T. Sackett from one of our researchers, Dianne Cobb, and contacted the Crawford County Historical Society for permission to use the information in our Sackett Family History. Ann Stewart responded and supplied me with your email address. I also attempted to send a note to Ben Lee and his email address is no longer valid. One of the things I am interested in is whether or not the violin purchased by Ben Lee is one of the known Sackett violins. Ben sent me a transcription of the label inside the violin which, with his comments, is as follows: "J. T. Sackett, Maker No. 431 Saegertown, PA 8 1888 <<<(8 1888 posssibly being August 1888) Old Cremonia wood (would 431 be the number of violins produced up to that point?)" Ben Lee also found the following in his searches: Subject: J. T. Sackett Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:05:36 -0400 From: blee@sgi.net To: thurmonking@netscape.net "... The only lead I got was at Red Barn Auction: http://www.oldbarn.com/newpage63.htm 163. Half Stock Penn. Percussion Rifle - 36 cal., 33" barrel, brass hardware, set trigger, walnut stock, pewter end cap - "J. Sackett" maker of fine violins" One other question I have concerning Jacob T. Sackett relates to something I found while searching http://www.alltel.net/~yoset/CCo/history/1885/Woodcock.html ABBOTT: "History of Crawford County, PA, 1885." 1885 History: Woodcock Township CHAPTER XXXIV. " French Creek Lodge, No. 2371, K. of H., was instituted February 15, 1881, with thirty-two members and the following officers: J. T. Sackett, Dictator; John Flaugh, V. D.; A. B. Floyd, Asst. D; W. F. Moyer, Reporter; W. E. Yost, Fin. Rep.; E. L. Russell, Treas.; A. M. McGill, Guide; J. R. Mosier, Chaplain; C. W. Yost, Guardian; Jacob Fleisher, Sentinel; C. W. Robinson, P. D. Meetings are held every Tuesday evening, and the membership is forty-one." Do you have any information that would indicate what the affiliation and purpose of this lodge was? regards, Thurmon King -------------------- From: "Bill Moore" <wbmoore@gremlan.org> To: "Thurmon E. King" <thurmonking@juno.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:22:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Jacob T. Sackett violin Mr. King: What a pleasant surprise to hear from you about Jacob T. Sackett! You have my permission to reprint my article about him. The printed portion of the label on Ben King's [sic Lee] violin seems to match the one on mine, and I had also guessed that the number was the number of violins Sackett had made up until that time. I do not know anything about Sackett's lodge. It may have been a "Knights of Honor" group, and many, if not most, 19th century lodges were social and provided a death or burial benefit for members and their families. Twenty-five years ago, Tom Yoset and I put together an article about the descendants of Jonathan & Lovina (Leonard) Weller--my interest coming from the fact that Lovina, when widowed, married my g-g-g-g-grandfather, James McKnight as his 2nd wife. The eldest Weller daughter, however, married Zavan Sackett, and I was hoping to find that Zavan and Jacob were closely related, but they're not--at least according to the internet Sackett histories. Bill Moore -------- I responded asking for the name of the Weller daughter who married Zavan Sackett and received the following: Emily Weller, daughter of Jonathan & Lovina (Leonard) Weller, b. ca. 1802, Mass., d. May 15, 1852, aged 52 yrs. 18 ds., prob. Meadville, Crawford Co., Pa., bur. Greendale Cemetery, Meadville. m. Mar. 18, 1819, Zavan Sackett, son of Zavan & Abigail Sackett, b. ca. 1781, d. Dec. 6, 1857, aged 76 yrs. 3 mos. 26 ds., prob. Meadville, bur. Greendale Cem. No surviving children, as Zavan's siblings were listed as his heirs. Crawford Co. DB Q-2, p. 200 [Zavan Sackett's heirs] Crawford Weekly Messenger, Apr. 2, 1819 [marriage of Emily to Zavan] tombstones of Zavan, Sr. & Jr., Abigail & Emily Sackett in Greendale Cem. Manning Leonard, Leonard Genealogy, 1901, p. 88. Bill Moore ====================== I hope this information helps some. Thurmon

Hi Folks! Several of you have sent me special emails to which I should have responded but this is the time of year when "work, work" consumes all of our time. The new cadets at school were oriented Friday and trained Saturday on how to connect to our computer network. Sunday was spent preparing to return on Monday (laundry, grocery shopping, ironing, etc,. etc.) Hence, I have only taken care of actual List Admin necessities. The first chance I may get to answer messages I'd really LOVE to answer will probably be next week end. Please pardon our "work, work" for a bit longer. Thanks! :} Later...Nancy Nancy Cluff Siders Acting TSFA President and List Admin for: CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb

Karen, Mystery solved as to why your message didn't come through to SACKETT-L. You are subscribed with the address of: HK2016@netscape.net I have added this address <karenharlan@attglobal.net> to the SACKETT-L Accept List so the next time you might post a message with this email address, it will go through. If you wish for me to change your subscription to this newer address, just let me know. Later...Nancy Later...Nancy Nancy Cluff Siders Acting TSFA President and List Admin for: CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb -----Original Message----- From: Harlan Gerke [mailto:karenharlan@attglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 1:10 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Ann Hanscom Sackett Sorry about the last mail. I don't really know what I'm doing. I'll try again. Gail just sent me copies of Elton and Edward Sackett's death certificates which comfirm that Orlin's second wife was Ann Elizabeth Hanscom. Karen STATE OF MINNESOTA Certificate of Death #7339 Place of Death Martin County Nashville Twsp. Elton Sackett sex: male race: W divorced born: June 8, 1868 Minn died: July 23, 1913 age: 45 yrs ... 1 mos...15 ds occupation; laborer father: Orlin Sackett, New York mother maiden name: Elizabeth Hanscomb, Ohio burial: July 25, 1913 Nashville cemetery informant: hard to read Mrs. O.O. or Q.Q. something Fairmont MN undertaker: C.A. Baken filed: July 31, 1913, Nellie E. Adams register, Winnebago, Minn ___________________________________________________ STATE OF MINNESOTA certificate of Death #07989 Place of Death Marshall County Warren Hospital Residence:Minn, Marshall Co. Twsp. Viking, 30yrs in community Edward L. Sackett sex: male race: w Widower wife: Mary Sackett deceased born: Oct 28,1861 Goodhue Co., Minn died: Oct 2, 1942 age; 80yrs 11mos 4ds Retired farmer father: Orland Sackett, born New York State mother maiden name: unknown, born Ohio Informant: Alton Sackett; Viking Minn buried at or removed: Martin ? Co., Winnebago, Minn Funeral Director: R.H. Gusnrud? Warren, Minn ===============================================================

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Thurmon the Tree Topper In 1941 Dad quit his job with the Batsons near Marietta and he built a log cabin that was about 16' X 24' for us to live in. The cabin was located in the woods behind the peach orchard on the 80 acres Grandpa King leased. Our water was transported from the well at Grandpa's house, about an eigth of a mile away. There was one door in center of the east end of the cabin. Inside, the wood cook stove was in the NE corner with the kitchen table in the SE corner. In the west end there were two double beds end to end. Mom and Dad slept in one and the two girls slept in the other. Above the beds was a loft where us three boys had two matresses on the floor of the loft. One of the chores assigned to me was gathering the wood for the cook stove. And as one might guess I gathered the wood closest to the cabin and as the supply was depleted; the circle in which I could find wood got larger and larger. In my quest for dried wood that was near the cabin I noticed a large oak tree that had a dead top on the west side of the dry creek bed that ran just behind the cabin. Each time I passed that tree carrying wood from farther out; I would dream of how much wood I could get from that top, and it was there close to the house! But the tree was too big for me to cut down with an axe; and the dead part was too far up for me to be able to chop the top out of it. One Saturday when we went to town, my buddy Gene Clifton and I went to to see a double feature movie. One of the movies was about logging in the great northwest. I don't remember the plot ... But there were scenes of loggers trimming the branches off a tall tree to use as a "spar tree" and then a man climbed up that tree, thethered himself to it and cut the top off. And, of course, as the top fell to one side it caused the bare trunk to lash back and forth. and then I could see why he had tethered himself to it. Well, the idea had been planted. The way I calculated it, the top would fall into the creek bed near the house and I wouldn't have so far to carry wood. So one day I got a couple of leather belts and my axe and climbed up that old tree. I put one belt around the tree and then looped the other through it and around me. I then proceeded to chop the top out of the tree. As the top of the tree began to creak and lean ... Like a good lumberjack, I yelled; "TIMBERRrrr" The tree top made some loud popping noises as the uncut wood broke and the whole thing crashed into the creek bottom with a loud noise. Just as I had planned it. (:>) Mother came running out of the house and around to the back to see what had fallen so close to the house to be greeted by her 11 year old "lumberjack" from about 20 feet up in a tree saying; "It's okay Mom, I just chopped the top out of this tree." But she wasn't as proud of me as I was. And, I won't go into what all she said to me, I'll just say that she could use some pretty "salty" language when she was upset. (:>( Thurmon