To Sackett Family Discussion List >From Chris Sackett Transcript from Newtown records: 6 Feb 1695/96. Sale of land. Josias Firman to (Capt.) Joseph Sackett (1656-1719, w7). Source: Town Minutes of Newtown [Long Island] 1653-1734: Transcriptions of Early Town Records of New York. Historical Records Survey, NY 1941. Vol 2, Part 2, p33. Repository: Family History Library, Salt Lake City. (Note: "[Long Island]" is not part of title of book). ------------------ Tis indenture made this sixt day of February in Sevnth yeare of the reign of ... Sovereign Lord William by the Grace of God King of england, Scotland & France & Irla.. Defender of the faith & in the year of our Lord God one thousand six hundred nint. & five six betwene Josias firman jun of newtoune in Queens County on Long island alia. nasaw in the Privince of new york in americo yeoman of the one part & Joseph Sackett of the Town County & province afore sd yeoman on the other part wittnesseth that the sd Josias Firman for ain considertaion of a valuable som of mony to him the sd in hand paid at or before the Incealing & Deleveing hereof hath bargained sold enfofed and Confirmed & by these Presents doth these bargain sell enffofee & Confirm unto ye sd Joseph Sacket both thse Certain Draugh Lots which of right do properly lying within ye bounds of newtowne on ye south side there of in Length breadth & bounded as ye neighbours Lots do to me blonging ye one of which by properly to me belong the othe which I had of my father firman as by deed of gift from him to my seef my heyres & sianes ... appear the bargained Premisces I ye sd Josias firman from me my heyrs Excutors Administratou.. or Asignes do fully freely and absolutely by these prsents bargain sell enfeefee confirm make .... and deliver to ye sd Joseph Sacket to ye only & proper use & behofe of him to him to love ... to hold the sam to him his heyres Excutors Adminitratrors & Asignes for ever without any manner of clame by any person or persons shall and will warrant and for ever by these prsents defend The which I the said Josias firman junier have of my owne accord put in further testimony by setting too my hand and seal the day month and year above writen Scituation of ye Premesis enterlineing before ye Signing Sealing & dlvering hereof Signed Sealed & Delevering the marke of in the presence of us Josias firman Jermiah Burroughes junr (s) Ezekial Lewis his John Roberts marke ------------------------------- Newtown Apprill - ye sixth 1715 - Begining at the Corner By ye Gate Runing South wardly 14 Rods to a stump thence Eastterly 67 Rods & 6 feet to the hill side thence North wardly 60 Rods to ye first station Containing 4 Acres & 154 Rods taken upon my Purchase Right by me Joseph Burroughs -------------------------------

Chris: One observation concerning Weygant's claim of the marriage licence for Richard Sackett and Margery L. Sleade and your question as to whether it would have been Margery L. Crego if she had been married to Stephen Crego. In the account that Weygant (p. 339-340) gives for 3136-Col. William Sackett's marriage it is stated that he married Anna Sisselberger in Washington, D.C. in 1862. However, the marriage record her name is given as Anna Modio and in her "Widow's Pension Declaration" her name is given as Mrs. Anna Amodier. Although we have not found the Sisselberger connection it would appear that Weygant had information the the maiden name of Mrs. Amodier was Sisselberger and used her maiden name rather than her married name. This COULD be the situation here. On the other hand, in other instances Weygant made it clear that spouses had been previously married. How is that for creating muddy water ? Thurmon On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:48:29 -0000 "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> writes: > Blanche, > <CLIPPED> > > According to Weygant, Richard Sackett & Margery L Sleade obtained a marriage > licence on 11 May 1699 in NY City. We have not had sight of this licence, > but if Margery had been previously married to a Stephen Crego then surely > the licence would have been in the name of Crego rather than Sleade? > <CLIPPED> > I do not know the answer to the problem you pose. On the face of it, > it > would appear to me that Josiah Crego and Josiah Crego Sackett were > distinct > individuals, the latter being named in honour of the former. > > Chris

To Sackett Family Discussion List >From Chris Sackett Transcript from Newtown records: 14 Dec 1694. Sale of land. Daniel Whitehead to (Capt.) Joseph Sackett. (Daniel Whitehead = father or brother of Mercy Whitehead, 3rd w. of (Capt.) Joseph Sackett (1656-1719, w7)). Source: Town Minutes of Newtown [Long Island] 1653-1734: Transcriptions of Early Town Records of New York. Historical Records Survey, NY 1941. Vol 2, Part 2, p14. Repository: Family History Library, Salt Lake City. (Note: "[Long Island]" is not part of title of book). ------------------ To All Christin peopel to whome this presents shall.. Come Daniell Whithad sendeth gretien Know yee that I the above sd Daniell Whithead for and in Consedrat... of a valibell some to me in hand paid by Joseph Sackit of Newtown in Quens Countey in the Eyland of Nasa the Resipt wheare of I doe heare of owne and Acknowlidge to be theier with fulley satisfied and paid have given granted Covenanted Alanatid made over and sould and by thease presents doe acknowlidg to have from me my hayers Exsecuters and asines given granted bargin.. and sould unto the above sd Joseph Sackit his hayers Exscuters and asines all my Right titel sertin par sels of frish Madoas setuatid Leyings and being in the bounds of newtown above sd belongin to me the said Daniel Whithead by vartie of money paid by my father Daniel Whithead Deseased for a wright of mada in the frish Madas in the bounds of newtown afoer sd as may further apeere by a wrighten given by franses Doughtie Him and about the sd premises I say that I the sd Danniel Whithead of Jamaca in the Eyland of Nasaw and Countey above sd Have sould all the wrights of the frish Madas to the bove sd Joseph Sacket his hay ers Exsecuters and asines the same To have and to hould ockepie poses and to inioye for Ever and the same to be and Remaien to the ondley proper use and behouef of him the A bove sd Joseph Sacket his hayers and asines for Ever free from aney Intrust propertie or Claiem or Demaiend from me the sd Daniell Whithead my hayers Exsecuters & asines for Ever In consederation wheare of I the above sd daniel Whithead doe seat to my hand and seale this fortenth day of Desember In the fieft yeare of the Raign of thier Magatie William & Marye & in the yeare of ouer Lord Christ one thousand six hundred nintey fouer Sined Sealed and delevered in Daniel Whithad (s) presents of John Harison Samuell Rascue Recorded by me Jeremiah Burroughs Clark --------------------------

Sorry to take so long getting back to everyone with the results (I got sick). The location of choice for the first Sackett Family Gathering was Salt Lake City and the preferred time of year was the September. I am going to work with some of the people who have volunteered to help and we should have some more details for you within the next month so that you can start planning. If you have not yet taken the chance to fill out the survey please do so and email it to me at SackettReunion@charter.net so that I can add you to the list of people interested in attending a Sacket(t) Family Gathering, and help with the planning of the next reunion. Thanks Liesa

Chris, Glad the information was useful. Both sides of my family were living in Newtown in its early days so I like to read about it myself. And sometimes, reading about what life was like for the Sacketts in those days, I also learn something about my Berrian (Berrien) family, which is always kind of nice to find as well. Barbara Bell

To Sackett Family Discussion List >From Chris Sackett Transcript from Newtown records: 4 Oct 1697. (Capt.) Joseph Sackett (1656-1719, w7) chosen to appoint attorney to defend town’s cause. 14 Dec 1697. Lt. Joseph Sackett (1656-1719, w7) elected supervisor. Source: Town Minutes of Newtown [Long Island] 1653-1734: Transcriptions of Early Town Records of New York. Historical Records Survey, NY 1941. Vol 2, Part 2, p7. Repository: Family History Library, Salt Lake City. (Note: "[Long Island]" is not part of title of book). ------------------ october the 4 - 1697 At a purchers metien voted that Joseph Sackit & Thomas beats Shall goe to yoarke & Inploy an aturne.. or two and to carie ouer patien and other papers which may be Conve.... for to defend ouer Caues which doth Depend betwen us and flat Bush Desembr the 14 - 1697 At a publik town metien voted that Lt. Jose.. Sackit Chosen superviser to go to Jamaica to meet the nai... ing towns to ordiat the Countey Charges and to Chues a tresue... acording to an Act of assembley ------------------

To Sackett Family Discussion List >From Chris Sackett Transcript from Newtown records: p1:127. 2 May 1674. 1. Land laid out for (Capt.) Joseph Sackett (1656-1719, w7). 2. (Capt.) Joseph Sackett (1656-1719, w7) mentioned as neighbouring landowner. Source: Town Minutes of Newtown [Long Island] 1653-1734: Transcriptions of Early Town Records of New York. Historical Records Survey, NY 1941. Vol 2, Part 1, p127. Repository: Family History Library, Salt Lake City. (Note: "[Long Island]" is not part of title of book). ------------------ Laid out by us R: Hunt & Jo: Burroughes for Joseph Sacket which Danell Blomfield gave him of his right 12 ackers liing in the east sid of Sameuel Mores land there being a highway betwene them going to traines medo by the way six rod broad northwest his land is 40 rods and northeast 48 rods long may the 2: 1674 Sameuell Wood hath ten ackers the towne gave him at the northeast end of Joseph sackets land 40 rod square northeast 40 rods long from the end of Jo: Sackets land and 40 rod north west as Joseph sackets land lieth --------------------

Barbara, Many thanks for the further Newtown info. The map & the Presbyterian Church site were helpful. Unfortunately I do not have a copy of Riker - just the few pages with Sackett data. If you should find any more data from your researches at the library then do please advise - but don't go out of your way on this on my account. You've been a great help already. Best wishes, Chris

Blanche, I don't have any additional information on this but would make some observations. If Margery had a previous marriage (before marrying Richard Sackett) and had a son in 1683 she must have been considerably older than Richard. We do not have Richard's birth record but can guess the date pretty accurately at between 1675 & 1679. Richard's father Jonathan was born 1655 and Richard was married 1699. If Richard was born when his father was 20+ and was himself married at 20+ then he was born between 1675 and 1679. Further, it appears that Richard had an older brother, Jonathan, and if this is so then that narrows Richard's birth date range to about 1678 or 1679. It would be unusual for a man marrying at age 20, or 24 at most, to marry a woman with a son of 16. According to Weygant, Richard Sackett & Margery L Sleade obtained a marriage licence on 11 May 1699 in NY City. We have not had sight of this licence, but if Margery had been previously married to a Stephen Crego then surely the licence would have been in the name of Crego rather than Sleade? Weygant records (p56) the issuing of a land patent in 1704 to Richard Sackett, Josiah Crego, Joseph Sackett (presumably Richard's brother), and others. This Josiah Crego would presumably be the man b. in 1683. We know therefore that Richard Sackett had a business partner named Josiah Crego. We also know from his will that Richard Sackett had a son named Josiah Crego Sackett. Is Roy Crego saying in his book that he believes these two Josiahs to be the same? If so, it would be interesting to see his argument for this - it looks to me that the two were born at least 20 years apart. I do not know the answer to the problem you pose. On the face of it, it would appear to me that Josiah Crego and Josiah Crego Sackett were distinct individuals, the latter being named in honour of the former. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry McKay [mailto:bhmckay5743@juno.com] > Sent: 20 October 2003 22:27 > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SACKETT-L] Josiah Crego Sackett/Josias Crego > > > Does anyone have a thought on this? > > Richard Sackett, living in New York at the time, married Margery > Sleade/Slade in May 1699. Among their children listed in Charles > Weygant's book is a Josiah Crego Sackett who married a Miss Douglass. > > Margery's first husband was Stephen Crego who was the father of her son, > Josias Crego, born 1683 per a website. Josias married Annetje Elsworth 4 > Mar.1703/04, and they resided in Dutchess County at the same time as > Richard and Margery lived there. The website has Josias Crego dying in > New Milford, CT. > > Weygant has that Josiah Crego Sackett lived in New Milford, CT. prior to > his death. > > I know it is possible, but doesn't it seem odd that Richard and Margery > would name their last son Josiah Crego Sackett when they already had a > Josias Crego? > > In Roy Crego's book, "A Selective History of the Crego Family", the > author believes that the Josiah Crego mentioned in the will made by > Richard Sackett in 1744 was the first son of Margery. This will was > probated in April 1746, and Josias Crego is last mentioned in Dutchess > County in June 1747 and is believed to have died close to that time. His > son, Stephen Crego, made his will in Dutchess County in 1760, and > mentioned his mother, Ann, in this will. > > It looks like to me someone has these two mixed up. Has anyone more > information on this? > > Thanks, > Blanche McKay

Chris, Thurmon, and others, Yes, it sounds as if you have the right area. The village itself would be into the island, rather than along the shoreline. There is a simple map and description that helps sort out the names on a site I found on Google, the address is www.nnp.org/newvtour/regions/Long_Island/mespath.html Also, the website for the First Presbyterian Church of Newtown is interesting and gives history of the earliest congregation and ministers there. The names mentioned are the same as in the transcriptions. Most of what I have learned about Newtown has been gleaned in little bits and pieces. The Riker book is often cited as a good source and Weygant used that himself. I do not have a copy but I seem to recall someone from the list quoting from it a while back. Think I will go to the history room of one of the libraries here and see what else I can learn and will let you know. In one of the most recent transcriptions, Maspeth Kell is mentioned, that would also be a creek or stream, from the Dutch word kil for creek. Hope this helps. Barbara

Barbara, Thurmon, Many thanks for the explanations. I think I have it figured. I've now found what I take to be Newtown Creek - a waterway just south of Queen's Tunnel & at the eastern end of the waterway is Maspeth, mentioned in the land sale from Wandall to Barnsmith to Joseph Sawcut (page 121). Part of my problem is that I am working from a USA road map which is not very detailed. Have also tried the Yahoo Map web site but this does not have Elmhurst or Forest Hills. Anyway I think I know where I am, but would be grateful for confirmation that this is indeed the Creek. I was also wondering where the South Sea might be (see the William Bloomfield hog trespass case. p50). I don't know a lot about hogs but I guess they're not too speedy so the South Sea would not be very far away if William and his pals Daniel Estall and Caleb Leveredge were driving their hogs there. I would be interested in reading more about the Newtown patent. Barbara, do you have information or an article you could post to the List?, or perhaps you could point me in the right direction. Regards, Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Bell [mailto:BellSea@webtv.net] > Sent: 30 October 2003 04:38 > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SACKETT-L] Newtown Boundaries > > > That is what I was trying to say, that the whole of the Newtown patent > was the northern part of Queens, from Newtown Creek up to Long Island > Sound and I have read that that was about 15,000 acres. Newtown, the > village, is what is now called Elmhurst. To the south was the Dutch > village of Brooklyn (Breukelin). With the Newtown patent, it was a > group of English who purchased the land as shareholders, then parcelled > it out amongst themselves as town land, upland, and salt marsh or > meadows, so their holdings might have been far apart and they then had > to buy and sell to come up with something more convenient. > > Just want to say thank you to Chris for posting this information. We > have found it very interesting. > > Barbara > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set your > email software to text only before posting a message to the list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

To Sackett Family Discussion List >From Chris Sackett Transcript from Newtown records: p1:121. 10 May 1682. Sale of land. Hendrick Barnsmith to (Capt.) Joseph Sackett (1656-1719, w7). Source: Town Minutes of Newtown [Long Island] 1653-1734: Transcriptions of Early Town Records of New York. Historical Records Survey, NY 1941. Vol 2, Part 1, p121. Repository: Family History Library, Salt Lake City. (Note: "[Long Island]" is not part of title of book). ------------------ Know all men by these presents that I Thomas Wandall of mashpeth Kell in newtowne on long iland in York shiere do by these presents bargan and sell unto Henery barnsmith of mashpeth Kell a percell of medo land about eight ackers bounded by the south sid of the Kell and the westward by Smiths Island -------------- woods ---------- easterly and I have sould unto the said Henery Barnesmith a parcell of upland that lyeth on the south sid of the said medo as much as any of the planters of newtowne have this foresaid of upland and medo I Thomas Wandall have sould unto the Henery: Barnsmith afforesaid to have and to hold as his proper inheritance to him his heires execotors and assines forever and do bind myself my heires exectors and assines to maintaine the same from any that shall lay any claime thereto in witnesse hereunto I have sett to my hand and seale this fourtenth day of October in the yere of our Lord one thousand six hundred seventy one signed sealed and Thomas Wandall delivered in the presence of us recorded by me John Burroughes John Burroughes Edward Stevenson this 16th day of October anno 1671 -------------------------------------------- May the 10th 1682 this presents testifyeth that I Hendrick barnsmith of newtown doe asing & make over unto Joseph Sawcut of newt his eayers or asings for ever: I say from me my eayres or asings this bove sd bill of sale as witness my hand the day & yere above ment wittnes Theophilas Jonathan Phillips Hazerd * whare as ther was a mistak in the bounding of the medo by order of Mr Wandall & Hendrick Barnsmith rectify The.lis Phillips Clark * NOTE: The following notation is inscribed on the margin. Several lines are drawn across the writing on this page. ----------------------------------- Note by Chris Sackett The above *NOTE: is part of the 1941 transcription.

To Sackett Family Discussion List >From Chris Sackett Transcript from Newtown records: p285. 4 Jul 1688. (Capt.) Joseph Sackett (1656-1719, w7) witness in case between John Woollston Craft & Mr Wandall. Source: Minutes of Town Courts of Newtown [Long Island] 1656-1690: Transcriptions of Early Town Records of New York. Historical Records Survey, NY 1941. Vol 1, p285. Repository: Family History Library, Salt Lake City. (Note: "[Long Island]" is not part of title of book). ------------------ [4 Jul 1688] Joseph sacket sworne In a defirance be tweene John Woollston Craft: & mr Wandall: saith that he heard mr Woollston Crafts say att the house of Jerimiah bourroughs that he had Willed his buf Coate scarfe & belt to mr Wandall & att another time after he heard John Woollston Craft say that he had Given his buf Coate scarfe & belt unto mr Wandall: and saith he: mr Wandall hath them: & further saith not s tinchia: parssell saith In the bove sd def be tweene John Woollston Craft & mr Wandall saith: Concerning a buf Coate saith: that that Morning that he Gave mr Wandall the buf Coate the sd Woollston Craft was drayin: hay Cocks in the Medow: & further saith not Jonath Hazard sworne In Court sith In a defirance betweene John Woollstone Craft & mr Wandall saith that he heard mr Woollst.. Craft say that he had Given to mr Wanda.. his buf Coate & scarfe: & further saith not Hannah hazard: testifieth yt this Morning she heard mr Woollston Craft say that he had Given the . to mr Wandall: that is his Coat belt & scar.. ------------------ .... < following page not copied > ....

To Sackett Family Discussion List >From Chris Sackett Transcript from Newtown records: p218. [6 Apr 1669]. John Holden v Samuel Bloomfield for calling him sonn of a whore. Holden v Daniel Bloomfield. p219. [?Date?]. Daniel Bloomfield fined eighteen shillings & two pence. Holden v Samuel Bloomfield. Samuel Bloomfield acknowledges fault. Testimony that John Holden was employed by Daniel Bloomfield. Source: Minutes of Town Courts of Newtown [Long Island] 1656-1690: Transcriptions of Early Town Records of New York. Historical Records Survey, NY 1941. Vol 1, pp218-219. Repository: Family History Library, Salt Lake City. (Note: "[Long Island]" is not part of title of book). ------------------ - 218 - [6 Apr 1669] an accon ith Case or John Holden enters ^ a complaynt agst Samuell Blomfield for Calling him sonn of a whore & allsoe giving him reproachfull speeches as he is Clarke of the Court John Holden plt enters an accon of the Case against Daniell Blomfield defdt ..... < 4 paragraphs omitted > ..... - 219 - ..... < 1 paragraph omitted > ..... Mr Houlden plaintif Daniel Bloomefield deffend: its ye Judgent of ye Court yt Daniell Bloomfield pay to ye plaintif Jon Houlden Eighteen shillings & twoepenc with ye Costs of Courte Jon Houlden plaintiff Samuell Blomfield Defendent whereas I Sanwell Blomfielde stand Reproched by passe =ornate words vilerfiing ye saide Jon Houlding I doe heer acckn =ouledg my fault & yt I doe not know any such thing by ye said Houlding Bloomefild The courte doe also condemne ye saide samwell ^ to pay ye Costs of this present Courte & to have his acknowledg ment entered Richd smith sworne in Court testyfieth that he had satisfied James Lawresson for a dayes worke which he sued for in Court George Wood testyfieth that John Holden was Imployed by Daniell Blomfield in his bussiness wth Mr Elias Doughty Jo: Lawresson & Thomas Robisson testyfieth the same & further that they heard Dan Blomfield say that he did enterd to procure mr Holden for his attorney & they see holden act in Blomfields Bussiness -------------------

That is what I was trying to say, that the whole of the Newtown patent was the northern part of Queens, from Newtown Creek up to Long Island Sound and I have read that that was about 15,000 acres. Newtown, the village, is what is now called Elmhurst. To the south was the Dutch village of Brooklyn (Breukelin). With the Newtown patent, it was a group of English who purchased the land as shareholders, then parcelled it out amongst themselves as town land, upland, and salt marsh or meadows, so their holdings might have been far apart and they then had to buy and sell to come up with something more convenient. Just want to say thank you to Chris for posting this information. We have found it very interesting. Barbara

To Sackett Family Discussion List >From Chris Sackett Transcript from Newtown records: pp203-204, 206, 214. Midlbourg febry 2d & 3d 1668/9. John Lareson v Samuel Bloomfield for pound breach. Thomas Davis v Daniel Samuel Bloomfield. Thomas Robinson v Daniel Samuel Bloomfield. (Note ‘Daniel’ is crossed out & ‘Samuel’ entered in both these records). Elias Doughty v Daniel Bloomfield. Refs. in testimony to Samuel & Daniel being brothers. Also ref. to Daniel aged 30 years. [2 Feb 1668/69]. Samuel Bloomfield fined five shillings for disorder in Court. [2 Feb 1668/69]. Daniel Bloomfield acknowledges fault. Source: Minutes of Town Courts of Newtown [Long Island] 1656-1690: Transcriptions of Early Town Records of New York. Historical Records Survey, NY 1941. Vol 1, pp203-204, 206, 214. Repository: Family History Library, Salt Lake City. (Note: "[Long Island]" is not part of title of book). ------------------ [p203] ..... Midlbourg febry 2d & 3d 1668/9 ..... < 9 actions omitted > ..... 10 John Lareson jr Enters an action of ye case against Samewell Blomfild defent for pound breach/ samuell 11 Thomas Davis enters An action against daniel Blomsfield deffent [daniel is deleted & samuell written above] 12 Thomas Robinson plaintif Enters an action of ye Case against Samuell Daniel ^ Blomfield deffendt [Daniel is deleted & Samuell written above] 13 Elias Doughty plaintif Enters an Action of debt against Daniel Blom field deffendent. ..... < action 14 omitted > ..... ..... < paragraph omitted > ..... Richard owen testyfieth that Daniell Blom =field tould him his Brother samuell had taken his calves out of the pound & further he sayth that samuell Blomfield told him the same - 204 - The Testimony of Caleb Leveridg aged 31. Testifieth yt Being at ye Pounde with Samewell Bllomfilde Thomas Davise and Thomas Robinson when thos said Men had pounded ye Cattl of Samewell Blo mfield ye said Sam: Blomfield tendered to pay ye dammages yt ye the Calfes had done & thay towlde him if he woulde pay poundege and ye damag he might have ym and goe to Richard Owen for ym upon this did I goe my way He ye said Caleb Leveredg doe further Testifie yt at night coming hoam with Richard Owen & danill Blomfield ye said Owen asked Dannel Blomfi =lde how ye Calfe cam oute. ye said Blomfilde Replied yt his Brother Same =well tooke ym out of ye pounde, but I saw ye Greate cattle still in ye pounde The Testimony of Dannel Bloofield aged 30 years Testifeth yt I heard all ye above written discourse betwixt my Brother but Thomas Davies & Thomas Robinson, only I did not hear them tell him he must goe to Richard Owen for his calfes The Testimony of Jon Reder aged 24 Testif yt he saw Ralph Hunte set open ye Great Gate by his Mothers lott and did leave it open untill he went doune to Jon Smith or that way and I Josiph Reeder aged about 22 year doe Testifie yt I did see Cattle in my mothers lott Close by about ye same time to ye best of my remembran & this was aboute friday last to ye best of my remembrenc Anno 1668 January 29th I do Testifi yt thos cattl was not Samwell nor danel Blomfieldes ..... < 2 paragraphs omitted > ..... - 206 - ..... < 1 paragraph omitted > ..... Thomas Davis testyfieth that samuell Blomfield tould him that he tooke his calves out of the pound. David Thomas & Isaack Greay testyfieth the same John Kotcham John Burrowghs & John Lawresson testyfieth that they being desyered by Thomas Robiss to take a veiwe what damage he had in his corne wch he attributed to samuell Blomfields Cattle/& likewise what damage Thomas davis had the same time Thomas Robisson doth testyfieth that those Cattle which Thomas Davis pounded of samuell Blomfields was upon Thomas Davis his Rye wch is in his lott Samuell Blomfield finde is five shill-s for disorder in the Court ..... < paragraph omitted > ..... - 214 - Daniell Blomfield hath made an acknow =ledgment for ye fault he Comitted last Court & It is the Courts pleasure to remitt It ------------------ Note: pp 206 & 214 not dated but appear to be record of same court as pp203-204 (i.e. 2 & 3 Feb 1668/69). ------------------

Nancy, Chris, Newtown covered a large part of Queens County. If one looks at a present day map, it is now Elmhurst, which is close to Forest Hills, if that helps. It is about 4 or 5 miles east of Manhattan. That may sound close but it seems to me that they would have been quite separate as Newtown was a rural area until the second half of the 1800's. It is now completely built up and paved over, the original town burying grounds are now a playground. The original meeting house which was also the townhall and courthouse was built in 1652. I do not know if it was Congregational or just sort of non-denominational (but not Anglican or Dutch Reform). It became the First Presbyterian Church of Newtown in the early 1700's. In the transcription of the first Session minutes, July 15,1724, there is a record of a discussion on the lack of church attendance of some members of the community and it mentions "And that James Renne discourse with Joseph Sacket Esq. for his rare attending." By the way, this is our line, Capt. Joseph and Judge Joseph, but I have to admit I have not actually been to Elmhurst (Newtown). Hope this is some help. Barbara

Chris, You are correct about their locations. Actually Manhatten is an island surrounded by the Hudson and East Rivers. Tom -- The only really bad day is the one you don't wake up to! > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nancy Cluff Siders [mailto:siders@cableone.net] > > Sent: 29 October 2003 12:04 > > > > So where did Capt Richard SACKETT live in relation to this source...? I > > didn't see him listed in my quick scan. > > Nancy, > > I think Capt Richard Sackett and Capt Joseph Sackett were on opposite sides > of the East River - although I'd be grateful for some local knowledge on > this. > > Patty has an old map showing Newtown, Long Island. >>> Patty, could you > kindly help us pinpoint Newtown in relation to modern maps? This is where > all the action took place in the Joseph Sackett and Daniel Bloomfield > households. Looks like Joseph bought up most of Long Island! > > I believe Capt Richard was in Manhattan when he wasn't at Dutchess County. > Weygant says he had a malthouse or brewery at Cherry Street, previously > named Sackett Street. I had figured this would have been the Cherry Street > which is on the Manhattan shore of East River about a block east of > Manhattan Bridge & a block north of East River Piers. Seems to me a brewery > would need lots of water so it would need to be near the river. > > Now if we could establish a link between Capt Richard & Capt Joseph, then > maybe we wouldn't need to be thinking about DNA tests!! > > Best... > Chris > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To post a message, address it to:sackett-l@rootsweb.com > To subscribe or unsubscribe, address it to: > sackett-l-request@rootsweb.com (SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE in the body) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Chris and all: Concerning the location of Newtown, Long Island; we must remember that the early colonial "towns" were more like the present day township which consists of 36 sections of land (22,440 acres). So, as Barbara said, the property within the original Newtown could have taken up quite a bit of the island. Of course, these early "towns" used irregular boundaries as opposed to the straight boundaries now in use. Thurmon

> -----Original Message----- > From: Nancy Cluff Siders [mailto:siders@cableone.net] > Sent: 29 October 2003 12:04 > > So where did Capt Richard SACKETT live in relation to this source...? I > didn't see him listed in my quick scan. Nancy, I think Capt Richard Sackett and Capt Joseph Sackett were on opposite sides of the East River - although I'd be grateful for some local knowledge on this. Patty has an old map showing Newtown, Long Island. >>> Patty, could you kindly help us pinpoint Newtown in relation to modern maps? This is where all the action took place in the Joseph Sackett and Daniel Bloomfield households. Looks like Joseph bought up most of Long Island! I believe Capt Richard was in Manhattan when he wasn't at Dutchess County. Weygant says he had a malthouse or brewery at Cherry Street, previously named Sackett Street. I had figured this would have been the Cherry Street which is on the Manhattan shore of East River about a block east of Manhattan Bridge & a block north of East River Piers. Seems to me a brewery would need lots of water so it would need to be near the river. Now if we could establish a link between Capt Richard & Capt Joseph, then maybe we wouldn't need to be thinking about DNA tests!! Best... Chris