Chris, I'll look that up. As you can see from subsequent emails to the list, there may or may not be sources cited. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: RE: [SACKETT-L] Boston Transcripts > Tom, > > Great! The particular entry quoted by Mr Goodsell was the Transcript for 5 > July 1922, item 9926, which, according to Goodsell, states that, "Captain > Richard settled in Dover, New York, just across the line from Litchfield > County, that he married second, Mary Crego, and that their only child was > Josiah Crego." Hopefully the Transcript will contain details of sources. > > Kind regards, > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsmith26@comcast.net] > > > > Chris& All, I have access to "The Boston Transcripts" at The > > Godfrey Library > > in Middletown, CT. If I remember, it is a collection of genealogical > > gleanings from New England in the Victorian Era that were published on a > > regular bases. I'll get a more accurate description on my next visit. > > Tom > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To post a message, address it to:sackett-l@rootsweb.com > To subscribe or unsubscribe, address it to: > sackett-l-request@rootsweb.com (SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE in the body) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Louella, After I sent the "Boston Transcript" note, I checked some copies I had made of an Ancestry Database. When I looked at the films that were indexed, I saw, as you stated, that they were not referenced, at least not in any professional way. Some did refer to specific documents, but nothing you would cite. From what I have, they are queries and information sent to the newspaper column from 1906-1941 on a voluntary basis. It has some use as an avenue to explore. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <louellas@endor.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: RE: [SACKETT-L] Boston Transcripts > Boston Transcripts were genealogy columns of queries and answers > from about 1896 to I believe 1941 in the Boston Transcript paper, > I have 2 rolls of microfilm with these columns. > Most of the information I have looked at is not referenced so ... > Louella > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsmith26@comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:29 PM > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SACKETT-L] Boston Transcripts > > > > Chris& All, I have access to "The Boston Transcripts" at The Godfrey Library > in Middletown, CT. If I remember, it is a collection of genealogical > gleanings from New England in the Victorian Era that were published on a > regular bases. I'll get a more accurate description on my next visit. > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> > To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:10 PM > Subject: RE: [SACKETT-L] Josiah Crego Sackett/Josias Crego > > > > Thurmon, Blanche, & any other sleuths out there, > > > > Thanks for the Andrew P Sackett material. As it happens I had also copied > > some of this while in SLC, but had not yet got around to studying it. > > > > Looking at p.12 where APS gives a Summary from the Colonists to Frederick > > Plummer Sackett, he has the following: "Captain Richard Sackett, born > 16__; > > died 1746; married first Margery L. Sleade on May 11, 1699; second Margery > > Crego." He repeats the reference to "Margery Crego" on p13, so it would > > appear not to be a typo. He does not give a source for "Margery Crego", > but > > if this is right it would solve the problem with the wife's name in > > Richard's will. Unfortunately, it goes against Mr Goodsell's research > > finding that the Boston Transcript has Richard marrying second, Mary > Crego. > > Either way it looks as if Richard did marry twice. And I have come across > > English records where Margery and Mary have been inter-changed. Do we know > > anything of the Boston Transcript? What is it? Can we look it up? We would > > really need the date of Richard's second marriage & the date of birth of > > Josiah Crego Sackett to button this up. > > > > Regards, > > Chris > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > > > Blanche, Chris and All: > > > > > > This discussion concerning the children and wife/wives of Capt. Richard > > > Sackett has brought me back to some of the material I have concerning > the > > > parentage of 714-Aaron Sackett and the different opinions as to which > > > Aaron Sacket(t) married Phebe Hart in Litchfield, CT. > > > > > > Some time back Mary Lou Sackett sent me photocopies of most of the pages > > > from the booklet; "Frederick Plummer Sackett" by Andrew P. Sackett. > > > Among the pages are three letters; one from A. P. Sackett to a > researcher > > > named Percy Hamilto Goodsel, JR in Connecticut, and two from Mr. > Goodsell > > > to A. P. Sackett. Of special interest in the letters is the > > > claim/suggestion that Richard Sackett was married to Margery Sleade and > > > to a Mary Crego who was the mother of Josiah Crego Sackett. Of course > > > this is complicated by Richard's will which mentions his wife Margery > and > > > his son Josiah Crego: > > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > > Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web yet...? > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. 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Blanche, Thurmon, Another very odd remark in Weygant's entry for Josiah Crego Sackett on page 113. Weygant says, "Mr. Sackett and his wife died several years previous to the commencement of the war of the Revolution, and their orphan children were distributed among their mother's people." According to the birth dates for Eleanor, Prime, and Prince, these children would have been in their late thirties by the outbreak of war in 1775. They would hardly need to have been farmed out among their mother's kin! Admittedly, Skene Douglas would have been only 10 in 1775, but were their other "orphan" children of about this age? Chris

Blanche, Thurmon, I thought I would look back through the Dutchess County material which Blanche very kindly sent me a few years ago to see if there were any clues regarding the Josiah Crego Sackett saga. The History of Duchess County by James Smith, pub. 1882, gives a list of the 235 freeholders in the county in 1740. This list includes Josias Crego, Richard Sackett, and Stephen Crego. COMMENT: None of Richard's sons is listed as a freeholder at this date, all the Sackett lands presumably being in the name of (Capt) Richard Sackett. Therefore, nothing significant in this record. In the Records of Crum Elbow Precinct, Dutchess County, 1738-1761, there are references to Richard Sackett, Richard Sackett Junior, and John Sackett, but apparently not to Josiah Crego Sackett. COMMENT: Interestingly, there are descriptions of ear marks for cattle of John Sackett (27 Dec 1739), Richard Sackett (3 Jan 1740), and Richard Sackett Junior (also 3 Jan 1740). It would seem odd that Josiah Crego Sackett did not also have an ear mark for his cattle. NOTE: In the same records is an Indenture dated 30 Jan 1741/42 recording the sale of land for £140 from Richard Sackett to Josiah Crego. In The Early History of Amenia by Newton Reed, pub. 1875, there is reference to Josiah Crego Sackett in a footnote to page 15 where the author states, "The children of Mr. Sackett were Richard, John, Josiah Crego, Mary and Catherine." COMMENT: Clearly this author believed there was a Josias Crego Sackett, son of Richard Sackett. The author mentions the will and had sight of it but does not quote the item about Josiah Crego Sackett. In The History of Little Nine Partners by Isaac Huntting, pub. 1897, there are frequent references to Richard Sackett, Richard Sackett junior, and John Sackett, but not to Josiah Crego Sackett. In particular there is a conveyance of 20 Oct 1741 which states, "Capt. Richard Sackett and his two sons Richard Sackett, Jun., and John Sackett all of Crom Elbow Precinct in Dutchess County" convey to "Johan Tise Smith of the Northern Precinct of said county yeoman." COMMENT: I suppose it would be wrong to read too much into the fact that this conveyance refers to Richard Sackett and his two sons. Does this mean that he had only two sons? Not necessarily! But - next question - why were Richard junior and John joined with their father as owners of this land when Josiah Crego Sackett was not also a co-owner? Best.. Chris

Boston Transcripts were genealogy columns of queries and answers from about 1896 to I believe 1941 in the Boston Transcript paper, I have 2 rolls of microfilm with these columns. Most of the information I have looked at is not referenced so ... Louella -----Original Message----- From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsmith26@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:29 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SACKETT-L] Boston Transcripts Chris& All, I have access to "The Boston Transcripts" at The Godfrey Library in Middletown, CT. If I remember, it is a collection of genealogical gleanings from New England in the Victorian Era that were published on a regular bases. I'll get a more accurate description on my next visit. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [SACKETT-L] Josiah Crego Sackett/Josias Crego > Thurmon, Blanche, & any other sleuths out there, > > Thanks for the Andrew P Sackett material. As it happens I had also copied > some of this while in SLC, but had not yet got around to studying it. > > Looking at p.12 where APS gives a Summary from the Colonists to Frederick > Plummer Sackett, he has the following: "Captain Richard Sackett, born 16__; > died 1746; married first Margery L. Sleade on May 11, 1699; second Margery > Crego." He repeats the reference to "Margery Crego" on p13, so it would > appear not to be a typo. He does not give a source for "Margery Crego", but > if this is right it would solve the problem with the wife's name in > Richard's will. Unfortunately, it goes against Mr Goodsell's research > finding that the Boston Transcript has Richard marrying second, Mary Crego. > Either way it looks as if Richard did marry twice. And I have come across > English records where Margery and Mary have been inter-changed. Do we know > anything of the Boston Transcript? What is it? Can we look it up? We would > really need the date of Richard's second marriage & the date of birth of > Josiah Crego Sackett to button this up. > > Regards, > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > > Blanche, Chris and All: > > > > This discussion concerning the children and wife/wives of Capt. Richard > > Sackett has brought me back to some of the material I have concerning the > > parentage of 714-Aaron Sackett and the different opinions as to which > > Aaron Sacket(t) married Phebe Hart in Litchfield, CT. > > > > Some time back Mary Lou Sackett sent me photocopies of most of the pages > > from the booklet; "Frederick Plummer Sackett" by Andrew P. Sackett. > > Among the pages are three letters; one from A. P. Sackett to a researcher > > named Percy Hamilto Goodsel, JR in Connecticut, and two from Mr. Goodsell > > to A. P. Sackett. Of special interest in the letters is the > > claim/suggestion that Richard Sackett was married to Margery Sleade and > > to a Mary Crego who was the mother of Josiah Crego Sackett. Of course > > this is complicated by Richard's will which mentions his wife Margery and > > his son Josiah Crego: > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web yet...? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set your email software to text only before posting a message to the list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thurmon, Blanche, I had previously assumed that Weygant's "1650" for the marriage of Josiah Crego Sackett to Miss Douglass was a typo for "1750" in which case the birthdate of 1765 for fifth child Skene Douglas Sackett made sense. Now if we are saying that Eleanor was born c1734/35 closely followed by Prime c1736 and Prince c1738, then we have mor than a 30-year gap between marriage and birth of the last child. Possible but unlikely? This would certainly put paid to the theory that Josiah Crego Sackett was the same as the Josiah Crego b. 1683 as he would then have been 82 at the birth of son Skene Douglas Sackett. This whole Josiah Crego saga is beginning to look very dodgy! :-) Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Thurmon King [mailto:thurmonking@netscape.net] > > Blanche: > > On the birth year for Skene D. Sackett; I believe Weygant is right: > Year: 1850; State: OH; County: Ashtabula; Township: Windsor > Roll: M432_659 Page: 486 > 1632/1686 > Sackett, Skene D. 85 m farmer CT [W #729] > [Sackett], Lovilla 64 f CT > Griffin, Rensalaer C. 23 m laborer OH > > ----- > Thurmon > > Harry McKay <bhmckay5743@juno.com> wrote: > > >Chris and Thurman, > > > <CLIPPED> > > > >By the way, some of the websites I pulled up on Josiah Crego Sackett have > >that he married Eleanor (Nelly) Douglas. But, I have not come up with > >any that had solid proof on that. Their children, according to the > >websites, were (1) Eleanor (Nelly) Sackett b. ca 1734/35; Prime Sackett, > >b. ca 1736; Prince Sackett b. ca 1738 and Skeene Douglas Sackett b. ca > >1740. Weygant's book has Josiah Crego Sackett marrying in 1650 which is > >obviously a mistake. Then, he has Skeene's birth as 1765. I don't have > >a clue who is correct on that one. > > > <CLIPPED > > > >Thanks for the input! > > > >Blanche McKay

Chris& All, I have access to "The Boston Transcripts" at The Godfrey Library in Middletown, CT. If I remember, it is a collection of genealogical gleanings from New England in the Victorian Era that were published on a regular bases. I'll get a more accurate description on my next visit. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [SACKETT-L] Josiah Crego Sackett/Josias Crego > Thurmon, Blanche, & any other sleuths out there, > > Thanks for the Andrew P Sackett material. As it happens I had also copied > some of this while in SLC, but had not yet got around to studying it. > > Looking at p.12 where APS gives a Summary from the Colonists to Frederick > Plummer Sackett, he has the following: "Captain Richard Sackett, born 16__; > died 1746; married first Margery L. Sleade on May 11, 1699; second Margery > Crego." He repeats the reference to "Margery Crego" on p13, so it would > appear not to be a typo. He does not give a source for "Margery Crego", but > if this is right it would solve the problem with the wife's name in > Richard's will. Unfortunately, it goes against Mr Goodsell's research > finding that the Boston Transcript has Richard marrying second, Mary Crego. > Either way it looks as if Richard did marry twice. And I have come across > English records where Margery and Mary have been inter-changed. Do we know > anything of the Boston Transcript? What is it? Can we look it up? We would > really need the date of Richard's second marriage & the date of birth of > Josiah Crego Sackett to button this up. > > Regards, > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > > Blanche, Chris and All: > > > > This discussion concerning the children and wife/wives of Capt. Richard > > Sackett has brought me back to some of the material I have concerning the > > parentage of 714-Aaron Sackett and the different opinions as to which > > Aaron Sacket(t) married Phebe Hart in Litchfield, CT. > > > > Some time back Mary Lou Sackett sent me photocopies of most of the pages > > from the booklet; "Frederick Plummer Sackett" by Andrew P. Sackett. > > Among the pages are three letters; one from A. P. Sackett to a researcher > > named Percy Hamilto Goodsel, JR in Connecticut, and two from Mr. Goodsell > > to A. P. Sackett. Of special interest in the letters is the > > claim/suggestion that Richard Sackett was married to Margery Sleade and > > to a Mary Crego who was the mother of Josiah Crego Sackett. Of course > > this is complicated by Richard's will which mentions his wife Margery and > > his son Josiah Crego: > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web yet...? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Chris: How about a little bit more confusion? I found a marriage record: Of Dover, Dutchess Co., NY: Kent CT Marriages as found in Early Connecticut Marriages by Frederick Bailey 1741 to 1757 Simeon Kelsey & Nelly Sackett of Dover, N. Y., Aug. 22, 1754 I have this marriage as that of 275-Nelly, daughter of Josiah Crego Sackett. Nelly would have need to have been born near that ca 1734/35 date to have been old enough to marry in 1754. Weygant says that Skene Douglas Sackett was an oversized under aged boy who ran away and joined to fight in the Rev. War as Skene Douglas to escape detection by his uncle. The 1850 census indicates that he was born in 1765. So it is beginning to look as though Skene Douglas Sackett may be assigned to the wrong parents. Isn't this fun ??? Thurmon "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> wrote: >Blanche, Thurmon, > >Another very odd remark in Weygant's entry for Josiah Crego Sackett on page >113. Weygant says, "Mr. Sackett and his wife died several years previous to >the commencement of the war of the Revolution, and their orphan children >were distributed among their mother's people." > >According to the birth dates for Eleanor, Prime, and Prince, these children >would have been in their late thirties by the outbreak of war in 1775. They >would hardly need to have been farmed out among their mother's kin! >Admittedly, Skene Douglas would have been only 10 in 1775, but were their >other "orphan" children of about this age? > >Chris > > > >==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web yet...? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- Thurmon Accurate Information Is Our Goal. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

Blanche, Chris and All: This discussion concerning the children and wife/wives of Capt. Richard Sackett has brought me back to some of the material I have concerning the parentage of 714-Aaron Sackett and the different opinions as to which Aaron Sacket(t) married Phebe Hart in Litchfield, CT. Some time back Mary Lou Sackett sent me photocopies of most of the pages from the booklet; "Frederick Plummer Sackett" by Andrew P. Sackett. Among the pages are three letters; one from A. P. Sackett to a researcher named Percy Hamilto Goodsel, JR in Connecticut, and two from Mr. Goodsell to A. P. Sackett. Of special interest in the letters is the claim/suggestion that Richard Sackett was married to Margery Sleade and to a Mary Crego who was the mother of Josiah Crego Sackett. Of course this is complicated by Richard's will which mentions his wife Margery and his son Josiah Crego: ANDREW P. SACKETT Star Route 1-6 Keaau, Hawaii 96749 November 2, 1978 Mr. Percy Hamilton Goodsell, Jr. Post Office Box 192 Cheshire, Connecticut 06410 Dear Mr. Goodsell: Thank you for your offer to do some genealogical research for me. I'll describe the problem on which I would like your help. my lineage on my father's side is clear back to Aaron Sackett who married Phebe Hart on July 6, 1786, in Litchfield, Connecticut (Vol.1 page 201 Litchfield Vital Records). Charles Sackett, b. May 23, 1793, (Litchfield Vital Records Vol. 1, p. 201) is my great great Grandfather. The problem is to identify the ancestry of Aaron Sackett who was his father. A Mrs. Mamie Phillips used to function as family recorder and historian. She was active about the time that Weygant's book, "Sacketts of America" was published in 1907. She was a granddaughter of Chales Sackett, son of Aaron Sackett, Her account of family history is word for word the same as Weygant's book so obviously she had access to his data. There are several Aaron Sacketts in the index to that book so it has been a popular family name. Four of those listed were contemporaries. Mamie Phillips' account listed her great grandfather Aaron's parentage as being Benjamin Sacket and his wife, Deborah Buell Sacket. There were several things that make we want to check this out. First, Benjamin spelled his name with one 't'. Second, a distant cousin, Asher Sackett, whom I interviewed in the 1940 s when he was in his eighties, was very insistent about one point in the family history; namely that of the two colonist brothers, Simon and John Sackett, we are descended from John. Benjamin Sacket traces back to Simon. Third, at the time of his marriage to Phebe Hart July 6, 1786, Aaron, son of Benjamin Sacket would have been 19 to her 23 years of age. Again, this does not rule him out but in those days, as now, it would have been an unlikely happening. Fourth, the other contemporary Aaron Sacketts were a more appropriate age to have married Phebe Hart and also two of them lived only ten miles away from Litchfield where the marriage took place. Fifth, the other Aaron Sackett whom Weygant lists and who must be considered was number 714 in his system of listing. He was a grandson of Captain Richard Sackett of Long Island who had, among other children not listed by Weygant, two sons, a Charles Sackett and and William Sackett. The latter's birth date is cited as September 2, 1800, the same date on which our ancestor Charles Sackett's brother William was born. Furthermore, Weygant states that this William settled in Indiana as Charles' brother is known to have done and lists Schuyler Sackett of Ligonier as among his descendents. Schuyler was a distant cousin. Frank Sackett, my father's brother, and I visited him in 1951, when he was still alive at about eighty-five years of age. He knew my great grandfather, Joel Bascom Sackett, and my grandfather, Frederick Plummer Sackett, and many of his children, so there is no doubt that Schuyler Sackett was descended from the same Aaron Sackett as my branch of the family. Schuyler said, as does Weygant, that his grandfather,William, married a distant cousin named Mercy Sleade Earle. Captain Richard Sackett's wife was a Sleade. Captain Richard Sackett had three sons. Aaron Sackett is not listed by Weygant as a son of either of the first two although the youngest, Josiah Crego Sackett, born at Dover, N.Y. Dutchess County, N.Y. resided for several years prior to his death at New Milford, Connecticut. He married about 1750, a Miss Douglass. This Mr. Sackett died, and so did his wife, several years prior to the War of the Revolution and their orphan children were distributed among their mother's people. Also enclosed is a series of reports I got from the Latter Day Saints Genealogic Society. As you will note some twenty-f ive years have elapsed since I did anything on the family history. I want to get something written up now. Why don't you work on this for a few days to see what can be found to fill out what I have related and see what further leads might be explored and advise me? Thanks for your help. Andrew P. Sackett ---------------------- POST OFFICE BOX 192 CHESHIRE. CONNECTICUT 06410 March 2, 1979 Mr. Andrew P. 5ackett, Star Route 1-6, Keasau, Hawaii 96749 Dear Mr. 5ackett: At long last I am able to give you a report on work done on your genealogical problem. Illness in the household all winter seriously curtailed my capacity for research. Things are now improved, however, and I am trying to make up for lost time. While I have found nothing to prove the parentage of your Aaron Sackett, I believe that by the process of elimination it is fairly well indicated. As it is known that your Aaron moved to Rutland, Vermont, in 1803, it seems certain that he was not the son of Reuben. The latter's son Aaron is recorded as still living in Litchfield County, Connecticut, in the eighteen twenties. Aaron, the son of Benjamin, appears to be ruled out by evidence in Winifred Lovering Holman's work on the Sackett-Stanton families. This leaves Weygant's belief that your Aaron was a grandson of Captain Richard. SACKETTS IN AMERICA states that the latter's youngest son, Josiah Crego Sackett and his wife died early leaving several children one of whom is unnamed. In the Boston Transcript for 5 July, 1922, item 9926, it is stated that Captain Richard settled in Dover, New York, just across the line from Litchfield County, that he married second, Mary Crego, and that their only child was Josiah Crego. It seems probable to me that the latter's unnamed child was your Aaron. As you may know, five of the brothers of Phebe (Hart) Sackett moved to Rutland, Vermont, and this may have had to do with your ancestor's move there. I feel that the possibilities have been pretty well exhausted both at the Connecticut state Library and the Connecticut Historical society. The manuscript collections at the latter have been carefully studied, as have the estate papers and land and church records in the Library. Since Weygant states that the children of Josiah Crego Sackett were raised by unnamed relatives, a search for them does not appear to hold much promise of success. Regretting that more conclusive results were not forthcoming, Sincerely, Percy Hamilton Goodsell, Jr. P. S. Since writing the above I have re-read the reports from the Utah Genealogical Society, and was interested to note that the same conclusions were reached by that group. I had purposely not studied this material too closely before, prefering to approach a problem of this sort relying on known facts and without clouding my thought with the theories of others. ------------------ POST OFFICE BOX 192 CHESHIRE, CONNECTICUT 06410 March 25, 1979 Mr. Andrew P. Sackett Star Route 1-6 Keaau, Hawaii 96749 Dear Mr. Andrews:[Sic] Many thanks for your letter of March 7th with check enclosed. I am glad my brief report proved satisfactory. THE HISTORY OF MY GRANDMOTHER SACKET-STANTON; by Winifred Lovering Holman, published 1954-56, devotes nineteen pages to records concerning Benjamin (1) Sacket (b. 1698) and his son, Benjamin (2) (b. 1731). The only mention of the latter's children consists of a direct quote form SACKETTS IN[sic] AMERICA, and no other Aaron is mentioned in the book. Since Weygant indicated in another place his belief that your Aaron was a grandson of Captain Richard, and since the proximity of the latter's family to Litchfield County bears out the known connection with that area, I feel there is very little to substantiate the theory of a descent form Benjamin (2). Mrs Holman apparently made no effort to trace the latter's children beyond the quotatio above mentioned. With all good wishes, Sincerely, Percy Hamilton Goodsell, Jr. ================ Regards, Thurmon

Blanche: On the birth year for Skene D. Sackett; I believe Weygant is right: Year: 1850; State: OH; County: Ashtabula; Township: Windsor Roll: M432_659 Page: 486 1632/1686 Sackett, Skene D. 85 m farmer CT [W #729] [Sackett], Lovilla 64 f CT Griffin, Rensalaer C. 23 m laborer OH ----- Thurmon Harry McKay <bhmckay5743@juno.com> wrote: >Chris and Thurman, > <CLIPPED> > >By the way, some of the websites I pulled up on Josiah Crego Sackett have >that he married Eleanor (Nelly) Douglas. But, I have not come up with >any that had solid proof on that. Their children, according to the >websites, were (1) Eleanor (Nelly) Sackett b. ca 1734/35; Prime Sackett, >b. ca 1736; Prince Sackett b. ca 1738 and Skeene Douglas Sackett b. ca >1740. Weygant's book has Josiah Crego Sackett marrying in 1650 which is >obviously a mistake. Then, he has Skeene's birth as 1765. I don't have >a clue who is correct on that one. > <CLIPPED > >Thanks for the input! > >Blanche McKay > > >==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >Visit the SACKETT-L Web Page at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- Thurmon Accurate Information Is Our Goal. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

Blanche, Thurmon, "Curiouser and curiouser!" cried Alice. ..... It looks to me that we have THREE versions of Capt Richard's will. Weygant says (p59) that the will was recorded both at Albany and New York City which might account for TWO versions. But THREE!!? Thurmon, I don't think you said where your version came from. This might help. On the face of it, it would appear that Weygant's version would be the later version as it contains additional wording. As far as I can see your version and Weygant's are the same with the exception of Weygant's containing the additional words "... my house, homestead, orchards and meadows and all my books. I leave to my son Josiah Crego, and to the heirs of my daughter Mary Dean deceased, ..." between the words "I leave to my son John after my wife's decease ..." and "... and to my daughter Catherine ...". There are two additional bits of wording in Thurmon's version. In line 3 the wording is "the use of my home lot" - Weygant's version does not have the word "home". Thurmon's version also names the witnesses which, interestingly, include none other than Richard's old friend Josiah Crego. The version quoted by Roy Crego has further variations. His version has "..the use and improvement of my homelot..." - the other versions do not mention "and improvement". His version also has slipped into it the word "wellbeloved" to describe his son Josias Crego. Roy Crego has Josias; Weygant has Josiah. These differences are probably not significant. Roy Crego also names the witnesses, - as in Thurmon's version except that Henry omse appears as Henry Nase. Thurmon's version is described as an abstract of the will, meaning, I assume, that it is not to be taken as a literal copy but rather as a summary of the wording. Crego's version is obviously a summary apart from a couple of short quoted extracts. Weygant's version states "It reads as follows:" which I would take to mean it was a literal copy. It seems to me there were either two versions of the will or there has been an error in transcription. If there were two wills then Thurmon has the earlier one, the additional bequests to son Josiah Crego and to the heirs of deceased daughter Mary Dean being added as an afterthought. If there was only one will then the error appears to be in Thurmon's version in that a whole line might have been left out in the transcription. The possibility of the will being altered at the last minute is explainable. It would not be unusual for a testator to forget the heirs of a deceased daughter until maybe being reminded by another family member. It would also be perfectly understandable if Richard had left Josiah Crego out of the first version of his will if Josiah Crego were in fact only a stepson and not his natural son. Thurmon, I'm afraid you are well and truly side tracked now! Over to you. Where did your other version come from? Best.. Chris

Liesa: The information I have says that will was dated December 14, 1744 and was probated/proved April 28, 1746 Thurmon "Liesa Robarge" <lrobarge@charter.net> wrote: >All has anyone gotten a copy of the will? If not I can >check tomorrow and see if there is an LDS microfilm/fishe >with the information on it. I would just need the year to >see what is avaiable. > >Liesa > > >On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:39:23 -0000 > "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> wrote: >>Blanche, Thurmon, >> >>"Curiouser and curiouser!" cried Alice. ..... >> >>It looks to me that we have THREE versions of Capt >>Richard's will. Weygant >>says (p59) that the will was recorded both at Albany and >>New York City which >>might account for TWO versions. But THREE!!? >> >>Thurmon, I don't think you said where your version came >>from. This might >>help. On the face of it, it would appear that Weygant's >>version would be the >>later version as it contains additional wording. As far >>as I can see your >>version and Weygant's are the same with the exception of >>Weygant's >>containing the additional words "... my house, homestead, >>orchards and >>meadows and all my books. I leave to my son Josiah Crego, >>and to the heirs >>of my daughter Mary Dean deceased, ..." between the words >>"I leave to my son >>John after my wife's decease ..." and "... and to my >>daughter Catherine >>...". There are two additional bits of wording in >>Thurmon's version. In line >>3 the wording is "the use of my home lot" - Weygant's >>version does not have >>the word "home". Thurmon's version also names the >>witnesses which, >>interestingly, include none other than Richard's old >>friend Josiah Crego. >> >>The version quoted by Roy Crego has further variations. >>His version has >>"..the use and improvement of my homelot..." - the other >>versions do not >>mention "and improvement". His version also has slipped >>into it the word >>"wellbeloved" to describe his son Josias Crego. Roy Crego >>has Josias; >>Weygant has Josiah. These differences are probably not >>significant. Roy >>Crego also names the witnesses, - as in Thurmon's version >>except that Henry >>omse appears as Henry Nase. >> >>Thurmon's version is described as an abstract of the >>will, meaning, I >>assume, that it is not to be taken as a literal copy but >>rather as a summary >>of the wording. Crego's version is obviously a summary >>apart from a couple >>of short quoted extracts. Weygant's version states "It >>reads as follows:" >>which I would take to mean it was a literal copy. >> >>It seems to me there were either two versions of the will >>or there has been >>an error in transcription. If there were two wills then >>Thurmon has the >>earlier one, the additional bequests to son Josiah Crego >>and to the heirs of >>deceased daughter Mary Dean being added as an >>afterthought. If there was >>only one will then the error appears to be in Thurmon's >>version in that a >>whole line might have been left out in the transcription. >> >>The possibility of the will being altered at the last >>minute is explainable. >>It would not be unusual for a testator to forget the >>heirs of a deceased >>daughter until maybe being reminded by another family >>member. It would also >>be perfectly understandable if Richard had left Josiah >>Crego out of the >>first version of his will if Josiah Crego were in fact >>only a stepson and >>not his natural son. >> >>Thurmon, I'm afraid you are well and truly side tracked >>now! Over to you. >>Where did your other version come from? >> >>Best.. >>Chris >> >> >>==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >>Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web >>yet...? >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >>genealogy records, go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >Liesa Robarge >List admin for >SMITH-NEW-ENGLAND, Coffinger, Christian, and Tarbox >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sackettmckayhistory/LiesasLineage/index.htm > > >==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >RootsWeb WorldConnect Project and is located at: ><http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/press/worldconnect.html>. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- Thurmon Accurate Information Is Our Goal. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

All has anyone gotten a copy of the will? If not I can check tomorrow and see if there is an LDS microfilm/fishe with the information on it. I would just need the year to see what is avaiable. Liesa On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:39:23 -0000 "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> wrote: >Blanche, Thurmon, > >"Curiouser and curiouser!" cried Alice. ..... > >It looks to me that we have THREE versions of Capt >Richard's will. Weygant >says (p59) that the will was recorded both at Albany and >New York City which >might account for TWO versions. But THREE!!? > >Thurmon, I don't think you said where your version came >from. This might >help. On the face of it, it would appear that Weygant's >version would be the >later version as it contains additional wording. As far >as I can see your >version and Weygant's are the same with the exception of >Weygant's >containing the additional words "... my house, homestead, >orchards and >meadows and all my books. I leave to my son Josiah Crego, >and to the heirs >of my daughter Mary Dean deceased, ..." between the words >"I leave to my son >John after my wife's decease ..." and "... and to my >daughter Catherine >...". There are two additional bits of wording in >Thurmon's version. In line >3 the wording is "the use of my home lot" - Weygant's >version does not have >the word "home". Thurmon's version also names the >witnesses which, >interestingly, include none other than Richard's old >friend Josiah Crego. > >The version quoted by Roy Crego has further variations. >His version has >"..the use and improvement of my homelot..." - the other >versions do not >mention "and improvement". His version also has slipped >into it the word >"wellbeloved" to describe his son Josias Crego. Roy Crego >has Josias; >Weygant has Josiah. These differences are probably not >significant. Roy >Crego also names the witnesses, - as in Thurmon's version >except that Henry >omse appears as Henry Nase. > >Thurmon's version is described as an abstract of the >will, meaning, I >assume, that it is not to be taken as a literal copy but >rather as a summary >of the wording. Crego's version is obviously a summary >apart from a couple >of short quoted extracts. Weygant's version states "It >reads as follows:" >which I would take to mean it was a literal copy. > >It seems to me there were either two versions of the will >or there has been >an error in transcription. If there were two wills then >Thurmon has the >earlier one, the additional bequests to son Josiah Crego >and to the heirs of >deceased daughter Mary Dean being added as an >afterthought. If there was >only one will then the error appears to be in Thurmon's >version in that a >whole line might have been left out in the transcription. > >The possibility of the will being altered at the last >minute is explainable. >It would not be unusual for a testator to forget the >heirs of a deceased >daughter until maybe being reminded by another family >member. It would also >be perfectly understandable if Richard had left Josiah >Crego out of the >first version of his will if Josiah Crego were in fact >only a stepson and >not his natural son. > >Thurmon, I'm afraid you are well and truly side tracked >now! Over to you. >Where did your other version come from? > >Best.. >Chris > > >==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web >yet...? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > Liesa Robarge List admin for SMITH-NEW-ENGLAND, Coffinger, Christian, and Tarbox http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sackettmckayhistory/LiesasLineage/index.htm

Chris: Yes, an abstraction is a summary of what the one doing the abstraction considers to be the pertinent details of a document. In the abstraction I found [http://members.aol.com/hugahusky/index/sackwill.htm] the one doing the abstraction appears to have believed that the Josiah Crego mentioned was not a member of the Sackett family and, therefore, left him out of the abstraction. This is an example of the problem we face in using abstractions as the main source for our information. [Remember how you objected when I presented the lawyer's abstraction of the title search of the Louisiana Purchase?] (:>D Concerning the wording of Richard's will found in Weygant; we have found that Weygant did not always give a word for word transcription of the documents he included in his book so it appears that he may have left out the phrase "my beloved son" before Josiah Crego. For example: On 13 Oct 2001Ted Mudge posted a transcription of the will of #4-John Sackett of Westfield in which Ted points out that Weygant changed the wording some to modernize the text. Therefore, we could assume that Weygant did the same with the will of Richard Sackett. If Liesa is able to find a microfilm of the will it will help greatly. Regards, Thurmon On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:39:23 -0000 "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> writes: > Blanche, Thurmon, > > "Curiouser and curiouser!" cried Alice. ..... > > It looks to me that we have THREE versions of Capt Richard's will. > Weygant > says (p59) that the will was recorded both at Albany and New York > City which > might account for TWO versions. But THREE!!? > > Thurmon, I don't think you said where your version came from. This > might > help. On the face of it, it would appear that Weygant's version > would be the > later version as it contains additional wording. As far as I can see > your > version and Weygant's are the same with the exception of Weygant's > containing the additional words "... my house, homestead, orchards > and > meadows and all my books. I leave to my son Josiah Crego, and to the > heirs > of my daughter Mary Dean deceased, ..." between the words "I leave > to my son > John after my wife's decease ..." and "... and to my daughter > Catherine > ...". There are two additional bits of wording in Thurmon's version. > In line > 3 the wording is "the use of my home lot" - Weygant's version does > not have > the word "home". Thurmon's version also names the witnesses which, > interestingly, include none other than Richard's old friend Josiah > Crego. > > The version quoted by Roy Crego has further variations. His version > has > "..the use and improvement of my homelot..." - the other versions do > not > mention "and improvement". His version also has slipped into it the > word > "wellbeloved" to describe his son Josias Crego. Roy Crego has > Josias; > Weygant has Josiah. These differences are probably not significant. > Roy > Crego also names the witnesses, - as in Thurmon's version except > that Henry > omse appears as Henry Nase. > > Thurmon's version is described as an abstract of the will, meaning, > I > assume, that it is not to be taken as a literal copy but rather as a > summary > of the wording. Crego's version is obviously a summary apart from a > couple > of short quoted extracts. Weygant's version states "It reads as > follows:" > which I would take to mean it was a literal copy. > > It seems to me there were either two versions of the will or there > has been > an error in transcription. If there were two wills then Thurmon has > the > earlier one, the additional bequests to son Josiah Crego and to the > heirs of > deceased daughter Mary Dean being added as an afterthought. If there > was > only one will then the error appears to be in Thurmon's version in > that a > whole line might have been left out in the transcription. > > The possibility of the will being altered at the last minute is > explainable. > It would not be unusual for a testator to forget the heirs of a > deceased > daughter until maybe being reminded by another family member. It > would also > be perfectly understandable if Richard had left Josiah Crego out of > the > first version of his will if Josiah Crego were in fact only a > stepson and > not his natural son. > > Thurmon, I'm afraid you are well and truly side tracked now! Over to > you. > Where did your other version come from? > > Best.. > Chris > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web yet...? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Blanche: You really know how to get me side tracked; don't you? (:>) I have an abstraction of the will of Richard Sackett which is interesting: RICHARD SACKETT In the name of God, Amen, December 14, 1744. I RICHARD SACKETT, of Dover, in Duchess County, yeoman, being sick. I leave to my wife margery all household goods, and the use of my home lot, house, and orchards during her widowhood, and then to my son John Sackett. I leave to my eldest son, Richard Sackett, 200 acres of land above his equal share as eldest son. I leave to my wife 50 acres to be at her disposal. I leave to my son John, after my wife's decease, and to my daughter Catharine, during her widowhood, and to my sons Richard and John, the whole of my remaining estate, to each an equal part, and they are to pay equally in defending the title. I make my wife Margery, and my sons Richard and John executors. Witnesses, Henry omse, William Hunt, Josiah Crego. Proved April 28, 1746 Liber 15 --------------- The reason it is interesting is that the abstraction names only four heirs, his wife Margery, sons Richard and John and daughter Catherine. There is no mention of a Josiah Crego/Josiah Crego Sackett sharing in the estate. So if Josias/Josiah Crego is mentioned in the will as "my wellbeloved son Josias Crego" it would not appear that he was a natural son because he had no share in the estate. Although Richard, Jr; John and Catherine were to have the remainder of the estate and share equally ... Weygant says that Richard, jr chose not to serve as one of the executors because of the legal questions concerning title to the land. Therefore, John became the sole executor. All of this raises a question about the existance of a son named Josiah Crego Sackett. Thurmon Harry McKay <bhmckay5743@juno.com> wrote: >After I sent the message off yesterday, I realized that I did have some >land records of Richard Sackett going back to 1716. Of interest is that >he is called a Husbandman, a Gent. and Capt. > >In Oct. 1741, there are two Indentures made between Capt. Richard Sackett >and his two sons, Richard Sackett, Jr. and John Sackett when they sold >some property to a Johann Tise Smith. All three signed the document. On >3 Mar. 1744, Richard Sackett sold some land to his son, John Sackett. >Witnesses were Josias Crego and Richard Sackett, Jr. > >The most interesting is a transaction on 17 Oct.1749 when John Sackett >sold some property to a Moses Harris (part of the Lower Nine Partners >tract). This states that John Sackett, Gent., youngest son and sole >Executor of the Last Will and Testament of Capt. Richard Sackett late of >Dover, deceased. This certainly raises some questions about Josiah Crego >Sackett since this has that John was the youngest son. I found no >reference to Josiah Crego Sackett in any of the copies of documents I >have. Granted, he could have left for Connecticut at an early age and >lived there until death. There are records of Josias Crego in Dutchess >County, N.Y. which prove he lived there. > >It all raises more question which is what genealogy is all about. > >Blanche McKay > > >==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >RootsWeb blocks attachments. So sharing photos is not possible through >the list; send off-list individually. If you have a text file you wish to share, save it as text and insert the text into your message. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- Thurmon Accurate Information Is Our Goal. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

After I sent the message off yesterday, I realized that I did have some land records of Richard Sackett going back to 1716. Of interest is that he is called a Husbandman, a Gent. and Capt. In Oct. 1741, there are two Indentures made between Capt. Richard Sackett and his two sons, Richard Sackett, Jr. and John Sackett when they sold some property to a Johann Tise Smith. All three signed the document. On 3 Mar. 1744, Richard Sackett sold some land to his son, John Sackett. Witnesses were Josias Crego and Richard Sackett, Jr. The most interesting is a transaction on 17 Oct.1749 when John Sackett sold some property to a Moses Harris (part of the Lower Nine Partners tract). This states that John Sackett, Gent., youngest son and sole Executor of the Last Will and Testament of Capt. Richard Sackett late of Dover, deceased. This certainly raises some questions about Josiah Crego Sackett since this has that John was the youngest son. I found no reference to Josiah Crego Sackett in any of the copies of documents I have. Granted, he could have left for Connecticut at an early age and lived there until death. There are records of Josias Crego in Dutchess County, N.Y. which prove he lived there. It all raises more question which is what genealogy is all about. Blanche McKay

Once again I clicked on the "Send" button before I double checked what I had written ... I notice that Weygant, p. 59-60 includes the part of the will of Richard which includes the reference to his son Josiah Crego sharing in the remainder of the estate. Thurmon On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:55:03 -0500 Harry McKay <bhmckay5743@juno.com> writes: > After I sent the message off yesterday, I realized that I did have > some > land records of Richard Sackett going back to 1716. Of interest is > that > he is called a Husbandman, a Gent. and Capt. > > In Oct. 1741, there are two Indentures made between Capt. Richard > Sackett > and his two sons, Richard Sackett, Jr. and John Sackett when they > sold > some property to a Johann Tise Smith. All three signed the > document. On > 3 Mar. 1744, Richard Sackett sold some land to his son, John > Sackett. > Witnesses were Josias Crego and Richard Sackett, Jr. > > The most interesting is a transaction on 17 Oct.1749 when John > Sackett > sold some property to a Moses Harris (part of the Lower Nine > Partners > tract). This states that John Sackett, Gent., youngest son and sole > Executor of the Last Will and Testament of Capt. Richard Sackett > late of > Dover, deceased. This certainly raises some questions about Josiah > Crego > Sackett since this has that John was the youngest son. I found no > reference to Josiah Crego Sackett in any of the copies of documents > I > have. Granted, he could have left for Connecticut at an early age > and > lived there until death. There are records of Josias Crego in > Dutchess > County, N.Y. which prove he lived there. > > It all raises more question which is what genealogy is all about. > > Blanche McKay > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks attachments. So sharing photos is not possible > through > the list; send off-list individually. If you have a text file you > wish to share, save it as text and insert the text into your > message. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Chris and Thurman, According to the book, "A Selective History of the Crego Family", by Roy Crego, Margery Sackett had been married 3 times before marrying Richard Sackett in 1699. This is what Roy brings out in his book. Stephen Crego, ship's master of several vessels, died ca 1690. On 13 May 1692 a John Corbett was given the administration of Stephen's estate for his widow, Margery. The entry taken from, "New York Gleanings in England", 1903, says that Stephen had also left a son, Josias Crego. Taken from New York Wills, 3-4:333 (per Roy), a license to marry was issued for Edward Wislake and Margery Crege on 28 Apr.1692. He presumes Edward died, as on 26 Dec.1694, Margery Wislake was given a license to marry Peter Slade. Peter Slade is shown in the East Ward of New York on the tax lists from Dec.1695 to Mar.1699. He is thought to be a Mariner, also. On 11 May 1699, Margery L. Sleade and Richard Sackett were given a license to wed. A Capt. Richard Sackett apears on the 15 July 1699 tax lists in the same position as Peter Slade on earlier lists. The 1703 census lists the Sacketts in the East Ward of New York City and composed of 1 male 16-60 yrs., 1 female, 2 male children, 2 female children, 3 male negroes and possibly 1 female negro (Roy had a question mark by this one). The male would be Richard and the female Margery. Since Josias Crego was probably 20 years old or more by this time, he would have been included in the first category if he was still in the household. It could be that the four children in this census are Richard, Jr., John, Catherine and Maria, but it would mean Margery had a child each year after marriage. I believe Josiah Crego Sackett was born after this census. Or, another scenario is that Margery had more children by other husbands who were living in the household at that time. The Weygant book places Richard, Jr.'s birth as 1701. By the way, some of the websites I pulled up on Josiah Crego Sackett have that he married Eleanor (Nelly) Douglas. But, I have not come up with any that had solid proof on that. Their children, according to the websites, were (1) Eleanor (Nelly) Sackett b. ca 1734/35; Prime Sackett, b. ca 1736; Prince Sackett b. ca 1738 and Skeene Douglas Sackett b. ca 1740. Weygant's book has Josiah Crego Sackett marrying in 1650 which is obviously a mistake. Then, he has Skeene's birth as 1765. I don't have a clue who is correct on that one. This is what Roy Crego says about the will of Richard Sackett: "In 1744, Richard Sackett made his last will and testament. He left his wife "Margery Sacket the use and improvement of my homelot house and orchard" and 50 acres. His son, Richard Sackett, received 200 extra acres for being the eldest son, and his son, John Sackett, received his father's books and was to be given the homelot after Margery's death. Sackett goes on to mention "my wellbeloved son Josias Crego" and divides the remaining estate between Josias, the heirs of Mary Dean (a deceased daughter), his daughter, Catherine Margeson, and his sons Richard and John Sackett. Josias Crego, Henry Nase and William Hunt were witnesses to the signing of the will on December 14, 1744; Margery, Richard and John Sackett were named Executors. The will was probated on April 28, 1746. The wording of the will indicates that the sons Richard and John were natural sons of Richard Sackett, Sr., perhaps sons by Margery and thus half brothers to Josias. The younger Richard Sackett later moved to New Milford, CT. The two daughters Mary and Catherine had married and their maiden names could be that of any of Margery's four husbands (i.e., Crego, Wislake, Slade or Sackett." If Margery did have the four marriages mentioned here, she probably was older than Richard by some years. She outlived him, but that is not unusual. We have no record of her death. I guess it would take following the land records of Dutchess County, N.Y. to see how Richard's land was divided and whether his son, Josiah Crego Sackett, got a portion or whether it went to Josias Crego. Thanks for the input! Blanche McKay

Nancy and All: I have put together some information for Asa and Richard Sackett from material gleaned from the Yates Co. website at USGenWeb; from the links in Nancy's note below, and census information provided by Louella. Now, if someone can provide possible parents for Thomas J. Sackett ... ONE NOTE: Today I tried to access some of the links for the Yates Co. site which are given in the notes for the family of Thomas J. Sackett and got an error message. Descendants of Thomas J. Sackett First Generation 1. Thomas J. Sackett-[1] was born about 1800 in MA and died about 1859 in Potter, Yates Co., NY, about age 59. General Notes: http://www.linkny.com/~history/potrdm_s.htm Record of Roads 1833 - 1888 Thomas J, 1819 T J, 1829; Thomas G, 1835 Thomas, 1839, 1843; Sackett: T J, 1843; ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/1835.htm 1835 CENSUS: YATES COUNTY NY SACKETT THOMAS J 2 MID ------- Sacket, Thomas Year: 1840; State: NY;County: Yates; Township: Middlesex Roll: M704_351Page: 350 Census: 100 101 000 000 0 - 121 001 000 000 0 ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/1845.htm INDEX 1845 YATES COUNTY Towns of Barrington, Italy and Potter only SACKETT THOMAS J 49 POT ------- Sackett, Thomas J. Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618Page: 5 82/84 Sackett, Thomas J.50 mFarmer MA [Sackett], Lina 45 f NY Sackett, Lucina 23 f NY Sackett, Minerva 18 f NY Sackett, Mary Ann14 f NY Sackett, Asa 11 m NY Sackett, Else 8 f NY Sackett, Charles 4 m NY ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/1855pot.htm 1855 CENSUS TOWN OF POTTER INDEX Sackett Thos J 144 Sackett Lina 144 Sackett Minerva 144 Sackett Mary Ann 144 Sackett Asa 144 Sackett Elna 144 Sackett Charles 144 Sackett Hannah 144 ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/estate_s.htm Name / Date filed / Locator / Persons mentioned in petition Sackett Thomas J / 1859 / 128C / Jeremiah Barber; Sina, Minerva, Mary A, Asa, Elcy, Charles & Richard Sackett Sackett Asa & Elsie 1859 122C / GDN; William W Tyler Sackett Charles / 1860 / 49C / GDN; Sina, Minerva & Mary A Sackett; William W Tyler Sackett Richard / 1863 / 50D / Lydia, Asel J, Anna M, Mahala A & Richard J Sackett Sackett Charles / 1865 / 49C / Asa, Sina, Minerva, Mary, Elcy, Anna, Minnie, Tyler, ---- & Richard Sackett Thomas married Mrs. Lina Sackett-[2] [MRIN:1]. Children from this marriage were: + 2 M i. Richard Sackett-[3] was born about 1824 in Yates Co., NY and died about 1863, about age 39. 3 F ii. Lucina Sackett-[8] was born about 1827 in Yates Co., NY. General Notes: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618Page: 5 82/84 Sackett, Lucina 23 f NY 4 F iii. Minerva Sackett-[9] was born about 1832 in Yates Co., NY and died after 1880. General Notes: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618; Page: 5 82/84 Sackett, Minerva 18 f NY ----- Aug 1860 Potter, Yates NY., page 911, family 432 Minerva Sackett, age 27, born New York, Seamstress ----- June 1870, Potter, Yates, New York page 566b, family 11 Sackett, Sina(Sally?)(F), age 68, born New York, House keeping Sackett, Minerva M., age 38, born New York ----- 1880 census; Potter, Yates, New York FHL Film 1254949 National Archives Film T9-0949 Page 491A Loyd SUTFIN Self M M W 46 NY Raising Fruit MA NY Mary SUTFIN Wife F M W 43 NY Keeping House MA NY Minerva SACKETT SisterL F W 47 NY At Home ----- It appears that Minerva did not marry. + 5 F iv. Mary Ann Sackett-[10] was born about 1837 in Yates Co., NY and died after 1880. + 6 M v. Asa Sackett-[11] was born about 1839 in Yates Co., NY and died after Jun 1900. 7 F vi. Elsie Sackett-[12] was born about 1842 in Yates Co., NY and died after 1865. General Notes: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618Page: 5 82/84 Sackett, Else 8 f NY ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/1855pot.htm 1855 CENSUS; TOWN OF POTTER INDEX Sackett Thos J 144 Sackett Lina 144 Sackett Minerva 144 Sackett Mary Ann 144 Sackett Asa 144 Sackett Elna 144 Sackett Charles 144 Sackett Hannah 144 ------- Aug 1860 Potter, Yates NY., page 911, family 432 Eley Sackett, (FE), age 16, born New York, Servant ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/1865pot.htm 1865 New York State Census Town of Potter; Index Sackett Sinai 1/44 Sackett Minerva 1/44 Sackett Mary Ann 1/44 Sackett Asa 1/44 Sackett Eddie A 1/44 Sackett Elsie 1/44 -------- Not listed in a Sackett household in 1870. 8 M vii. Charles Sackett-[13] was born about 1846 in Yates Co., NY. General Notes: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618Page: 5 82/84 Sackett, Charles 4 m NY ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/1855pot.htm 1855 CENSUS; TOWN OF POTTER; INDEX Sackett Thos J 144 Sackett Lina 144 Sackett Minerva 144 Sackett Mary Ann 144 Sackett Asa 144 Sackett Elna 144 Sackett Charles 144 Sackett Hannah 144 -------- Aug 1860 Potter, Yates NY., page 911, family 432 Charles Sackett, age 14, born New York ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/estate_s.htm Name / Date filed / Locator / Persons mentioned in petition Sackett Thomas J / 1859 / 128C / Jeremiah Barber; Sina, Minerva, Mary A, Asa, Elcy, Charles & Richard Sackett Sackett Charles / 1860 / 49C / GDN; Sina, Minerva & Mary A Sackett; William W Tyler Sackett Charles / 1865 / 49C / Asa, Sina, Minerva, Mary, Elcy, Anna, Minnie, Tyler, ---- & Richard Sackett ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/exparte2.htm Yates County NY; County Court Records Ex Parte Cases 1853 - 1871 S 26-1 / Charles and Elsa Sackett / 1863-1864 / Petition, Reports, Order, Bond,Confirmation and Conveyance ------- I found no records for Charles Sackett in Yates Co., NY after 1865. 9 F viii. Hannah Sackett-[14] was born in 1850-1855 in Yates Co., NY. General Notes: Placing Hannah as a daughter of Thomas J. Sackett and Lina is uncertain because of the age of Lina [45 yrs] in the 1850 census. However, the 1855 census below is the only place I found her listed in connection with the household of Thomas J. Sackett: http://www.linkny.com/~history/1855pot.htm 1855 CENSUS; TOWN OF POTTER; INDEX Sackett Thos J 144 Sackett Lina 144 Sackett Minerva 144 Sackett Mary Ann 144 Sackett Asa 144 Sackett Elna 144 Sackett Charles 144 Sackett Hannah 144 Second Generation (Children) 2. Richard Sackett-[3] (Thomas J. 1) was born about 1824 in Yates Co., NY and died about 1863, about age 39. General Notes: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618Page: 26 397/403 Sackett, Richard 26 mFarmer NY Sackett, Lydia 29 f NY Sackett, Charles 2 m NY Sackett, Wilbur 7/12 m NY Sackett, Malinda 20 f NY ------- Aug 1860 Potter, Yates NY., page 911, family 433 Richard Sackett, age 36, born New York, Farming Lydia Sackett, age 38, born New York Asel T. Sackett, (M) , age 11, " Anna M. Sackett, age 8, " Maliala A. Sackett, age 1, born Michigan ------ http://www.linkny.com/~history/1865pot.htm 1865 New York State Census Town of Potter Index Sackett Richard J 1/73 Sackett Lydia 1/73 Sackett Mary A 1/73 Sackett Asher T 1/73 Sackett Annie M 1/73 ------ It appears that Richard died about 1863: http://www.linkny.com/~history/estate_s.htm Name / Date filed / Locator / Persons mentioned in petition Sackett Richard / 1863 / 50D / Lydia, Asel J, Anna M, Mahala A & Richard J Sackett http://www.linkny.com/~history/exparte2.htm Yates County NY; County Court Records Ex Parte Cases 1853 - 1871 S 23-4 / Lydia Sackett / 1866 / Bond, Sale of R.E.,, Guardian Appt., Reports, Contract,Conveyance In the 1870 census his children [and probably his widow] are listed in the household of Cephas Isham: 1870; Potter, Yates Co., NY; page 219; 24 Jun 1870 219/226 Isham, Cephas 55 mstone masonVT Isham, Lydia 45 fkeeping houseNY Sackett, Anna M. 18 fhs service NY Sackett, Minnie 11 f NY Sackett, Richard 6 m NY -------- Some of the court records in Yates Co. seem to indicate that Lydia Isham (age 45) is the same as Lydia Sackett (age 38) in the 1860 census above: http://www.linkny.com/~history/estate_s.htm Name / Date filed / Locator / Persons mentioned in petition Sackett Richard J / 1874 / 50D / GDN; Lydia Isham Sackett Mahala A / 1874 / 95D / GDN; Culver S Barber ------ http://www.linkny.com/~history/YATES-S.htm Stafford Canning Cleveland History & Directory of Yates County NY (1873) Sackett, Richard 818 Richard married Lydia Barber-[4] [MRIN:2], daughter of Jeremiah Barber-[23] and Anna Van Zandt-[24]. Children from this marriage were: 10 M i. Charles Sackett-[5] was born about 1848 in Yates Co., NY. General Notes: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618Page: 26 397/403 Sackett, Charles 2 m NY ------ 11 M ii. Wilbur Sackett-[6] was born about 1850 in Yates Co., NY. General Notes: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618Page: 26 397/403 Sackett, Wilbur 7/12 m NY [Wilbur is not listed in the household in the 1860 census but there is an Asel T. Sackett, male age 11. The age would fit] Aug 1860 Potter, Yates NY., page 911, family 433 Asel T. Sackett, (M) , age 11, b. NY ------ http://www.linkny.com/~history/1865pot.htm 1865 New York State Census Town of Potter Index Sackett Richard J 1/73 Sackett Lydia 1/73 Sackett Mary A 1/73 Sackett Asher T 1/73 Sackett Annie M 1/73 [Asher T. would have been 21and is not listed in the household of Richard in 1870.] 12 F iii. Anna M. Sackett-[7] was born about 1852 in Potter, Yates Co., NY. General Notes: Aug 1860 Potter, Yates NY., page 911, family 433 Anna M. Sackett, age 8, b. New York ------ Listed in Richard's household in 1865 and 1870 censuses 13 F iv. Mahala A. Sackett-[15] was born in 1859 in MI and died after 1874. General Notes: Aug 1860 Potter, Yates NY., page 911, family 433 Richard Sackett, age 36, born New York, Farming Lydia Sackett, age 38, born New York Asel T. Sackett, (M) , age 11, " Anna M. Sackett, age 8, " Maliala A. Sackett, age 1, born Michigan Mahala is not listed in the household with her siblings in the 1870 census: 1870; Potter, Yates Co., NY; page 219; 24 Jun 1870 219/226 Isham, Cephas 55 mstone masonVT Isham, Lydia 45 fkeeping houseNY Sackett, Anna M. 18 fhs service NY Sackett, Minnie 11 f NY Sackett, Richard 6 m NY ------ But her uncle is assigned as guardian for her in 1874: http://www.linkny.com/~history/estate_s.htm Name / Date filed / Locator / Persons mentioned in petition Sackett Mahala A / 1874 / 95D / GDN; Culver S Barber 5. Mary Ann Sackett-[10] (Thomas J. 1) was born about 1837 in Yates Co., NY and died after 1880. General Notes: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618Page: 5 82/84 Sackett, Mary Ann14 f NY ------ Aug 1860 Potter, Yates NY., page 911, family 432 Mary Ann Sackett, age 23, born New York, Servant ------- By 1870 Mary Ann Sackett had married Loyd Sutfin and appears in the Sutfin household: 1870; Potter, Yates Co., NY; 21 Jun 1870; page 190; 190/196 Sutfin, John 67 m farmer NY Sutfin, Elina 57 f keeping house NY Sutfin, Loyd E. 37 m farm laborer NY [married Apr] Sutfin, Mary Ann (Sackett)33 f house keeper NY [married Apr] Sutfin Juliette 26 f at home NY Sutfin, Mary E. 18 f at school NY Sutfin, Elliott 24 m carpentering NY ------ http://www.linkny.com/~history/1875pot.htm 1875 New York State Census, Yates County NY Town of Potter; Index Sutfin Loyd E 1/37 Sutfin Mary E 1/37 ------- 1880 census; Potter, Yates, New York FHL Film 1254949 National Archives Film T9-0949 Page 491A Loyd SUTFIN Self M M W 46 NY Raising Fruit MA NY Mary SUTFIN Wife F M W 43 NYKeeping House MA NY Addie SUTFIN Dau F S W 3 NY ----- NY NY Asa SACKETT BroL M S W 41 NY Livery Man MA NY Minerva SACKETT SisterL F -- W 47 NY At Home MA NY Mary married Loyd Sutfin-[16] [MRIN:3], son of John Sutfin-[21] and Mrs. Elina Sutfin-[22], in Apr 1872 in Potter, Yates Co., NY. Marriage Notes: 1870 Census gives he month of their marriage as April 1870. Children from this marriage were: 14 F i. Addie Sutfin-[17] was born about 1877 in NY. General Notes: 1880, Potter, Yates, New York FHL Film 1254949 National Archives Film T9-0949 Page 491A Addie SUTFIN Dau F S W 3 NY --- NY NY 6. Asa Sackett-[11] (Thomas J. 1) was born about 1839 in Yates Co., NY and died after Jun 1900. General Notes: Year: 1850; State: NY; County: Yates; Township: Potter Roll: M432_618Page: 5 82/84 Sackett, Asa 11 m NY ------- Aug 1860 Potter, Yates NY., page 911, family 432 Asa Sackett, age 21, born New York, Farming [In the household of his mother] ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/63drpot.htm Enrollment List of Persons Subject to Military Duty: Classes I & II Yates County NY: July 1, 1863 Town of Potter Sackett Asa 358 ------- June 1870, Potter, Yates, New York page 566b, family 11 Sackett, Sina(Sally?)(F), age 68, born New York, House keeping Sackett, Minerva M., age 38, born New York, Sackett, Eddie A., age 7, born New York, Sackett, Ellie I., age 7, born New York, there is a note that they are twins Sackett, Asa, age 31, born New York, Farm Laborer [Minerva appears to have never married therefore Asa appears to be the father of Eddie and Ellie. Asa was listed in his mother's household in 1860 and by 1865 the children Eddie A an Elsie/Ellie are listed in the household. So it would appear that Asa was married after 1860 and that his wife probably died as a result of giving birth to the twins. In the 1900 census Asa is listed as widowed.] ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/YATES-S.htm Stafford Canning Cleveland History & Directory of Yates County NY (1873) Sackett, Asa 794 ------- http://www.linkny.com/~history/1875pot.htm 1875 New York State Census, Yates County NY Town of Potter; Index Sackett Asa 1/4 Sackett Eddie 1/4 Sackett Ella 1/4 Sackett Minerva 1/4 ------ 1880 census; Potter, Yates, New York FHL Film 1254949 National Archives Film T9-0949 Page 491A Loyd SUTFIN Self M M W 46 NY Raising Fruit MA NY Mary SUTFIN Wife F M W 43 NYKeeping House MA NY Addie SUTFIN Dau F S W 3 NY ----- NY NY Asa SACKETT BroL M S W 41 NY Livery Man MA NY Minerva SACKETT SisterL F -- W 47 NY At Home MA NY ------- Jun 1900 Potter, Yates, New York ED #1145, page 164a Sackett, Asa, head, age 61, born Apr 1739, widower, born New York, father born Massachusetts, mother born New York; Occupation..Liveriea man? Asa married Lydia A. Bassett-[18] [MRIN:4], daughter of Alexander Bassett-[34] and Cynthia D. Parkman-[35], in 1860-1862 in Yates Co., NY. Children from this marriage were: 15 M i. Eddie A. Sackett-[19] was born about 1863 in Potter, Yates Co., NY and died after 1870. General Notes: June 1870, Potter, Yates, New York page 566b, family 11 Sackett, Sina(Sally?)(F), age 68, born New York, House keeping Sackett, Minerva M., age 38, born New York, Sackett, Eddie A., age 7, born New York, Sackett, Ellie I., age 7, born New York, there is a note that they are twins Sackett, Asa, age 31, born New York, Farm Laborer 16 F ii. Ellie I. Sackett-[20] was born about 1863 in Potter, Yates Co., NY and died after 1870. General Notes: June 1870, Potter, Yates, New York page 566b, family 11 Sackett, Sina(Sally?)(F), age 68, born New York, House keeping Sackett, Minerva M., age 38, born New York, Sackett, Eddie A., age 7, born New York, Sackett, Ellie I., age 7, born New York, there is a note that they are twins ====== End T. J. Sackett Family ===== Thurmon On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:53:10 -0600 "Nancy Cluff Siders" <siders@cableone.net> writes: > Thurmon and all, > > I believe these three SACKETT individuals are new to our family but > of > course my scan was done rapidly. Someone will probably find me in > error > but I thought I'd share them with the list in case they might help > someone now or in the future. > > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bbunce77/ > > All Surnames in Family Trees > from the county history: > History & Directory of Yates County, New York, > by Stafford C. Cleveland > published 1873, Penn Yan, New York > with supplemental information from a few other sources > > Sackett, > <http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bbunce77/fam/fam09019.html> > Asa > Sackett, > <http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bbunce77/fam/fam09445.html> > Richard > Sackett, > <http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bbunce77/fam/fam02305.html> > Sally > > Yates County is not too far from the counties of our MCKAY, HOWE or > WALLER families but I did not find of these surnames. A wonderful > map > of the state of New York is at: http://www.nysegov.com/map-ny.cfm

It looks as though one of my old problems surfaced again ... I transposed some numbers. It should be 3631-William not 3136-William Thurmon E King <thurmonking@juno.com> wrote: >Chris: > >One observation concerning Weygant's claim of the marriage licence for >Richard Sackett and Margery L. Sleade and your question as to whether it >would have been Margery L. Crego if she had been married to Stephen >Crego. > >In the account that Weygant (p. 339-340) gives for 3136-Col. William >Sackett's marriage it is stated that he married Anna Sisselberger in >Washington, D.C. in 1862. However, the marriage record her name is given >as Anna Modio and in her "Widow's Pension Declaration" her name is given >as Mrs. Anna Amodier. Although we have not found the Sisselberger >connection it would appear that Weygant had information the the maiden >name of Mrs. Amodier was Sisselberger and used her maiden name rather >than her married name. > >This COULD be the situation here. > >On the other hand, in other instances Weygant made it clear that spouses >had been previously married. > >How is that for creating muddy water ? > >Thurmon > >On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:48:29 -0000 "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> >writes: >> Blanche, >> ><CLIPPED> >> >> According to Weygant, Richard Sackett & Margery L Sleade obtained a >marriage >> licence on 11 May 1699 in NY City. We have not had sight of this >licence, >> but if Margery had been previously married to a Stephen Crego then >surely >> the licence would have been in the name of Crego rather than Sleade? >> ><CLIPPED> >> I do not know the answer to the problem you pose. On the face of it, >> it >> would appear to me that Josiah Crego and Josiah Crego Sackett were >> distinct >> individuals, the latter being named in honour of the former. >> >> Chris > > >==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web yet...? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- Thurmon Accurate Information Is Our Goal. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455