No problem. I was just pointing out Weygant's version of the will is edited. Best wishes, Roy

Roy: I thank you for your input. I trust you didn't take my response in the wrong way. As you may have gathered those of us on the SACKETT-L and members of The Sackett Family Association are working together and sharing research information in an effort to update and document the information in Weygant's book. We have been aware of the fact that Weygant did not always give the full text of the documents he quotes so we are looking for sources for those documents. It is our desire to find and correct errors and ommissions in his work. Chris Sackett and I have been compiling the information. Chris lives in the Island of Geurnsey and I live in the Columbia River Basin in the State of Washington. For that reason we do not have access to many of the source documents and depend upon others to freely share their research information with us. This matter of the family of Richard Sackett and his family is just one of several problems I am currently working on. Thurmon "Roy Crego" <rcrego@nac.net> wrote: >Thurman, > >I can't answer all your questions, but two popped out. > >There is an administration of Stephen Crego, which I cited in the Admon >Book in England. However, there is only a mention of his relict Margery >Crego of New York City. > >The will of Richard Sackett consistently refers to his sons Richard >Sackett and John Sackett three times with their surname "Sacket" (See >New York County Wills, Liber 15, page 580). The transcription that >appears in Weygant is not to be trusted. Weygant made many edits. > >Roy > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

Thurman, I can't answer all your questions, but two popped out. There is an administration of Stephen Crego, which I cited in the Admon Book in England. However, there is only a mention of his relict Margery Crego of New York City. The will of Richard Sackett consistently refers to his sons Richard Sackett and John Sackett three times with their surname "Sacket" (See New York County Wills, Liber 15, page 580). The transcription that appears in Weygant is not to be trusted. Weygant made many edits. Roy -----Original Message----- From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:41 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Josias Crego Chris and all: I have been turning all of this over in my mind every since we started the exchanges relating to the family of Richard Sackett and Margery L. Sleade. So far the results have been that we are presented with about four mysteries rather than one. 1. Concerning the matter of the presumed four marriages of Margery and her being the mother of Josias Crego: Roy states this in two ways; "Josias Crego was a son of Margery and I have found no evidence earlier than Weygant for Josiah Crego Sackett." and "Margery (surname unknown) of New York City was married to Stephen Crego, who died in 1690 aboard the frigate Archangel (Admon Book, 1692; Log of the Archangel) . They are presumed to be parents of Josias Crego." The first statement says that "Josias Crego was a son of Margery" while the second one says that Stephen Crego and Margery are "presumed to be parents of Josias Crego." If there are probate records for the estate of Stephen Crego who died in 1690 there should be an account of his children. And considering the legal requirements of that time there should be guardianship records for the presumed son, Josias Crego who would have been about 7 years old at the time. Checking the information we have I find that Richard's father, #18-Jonathan Sackett was born 6 Jun 1655. If Jonathan married at 21, then he would have been married about 1676 and if we assume that Richard was his first child (born after 9 months) then Richard would have been born about 1677-78. This would have made him age 21 when he married Margery L. Sleade in 1699. And, if Margery Sleade was the same woman who was married to Stephen Crego and bore a son Josias Crego (b. about 1683), then she would have been at least 33 years old and had a son about 16-17 years old; assuming he was 21 years old when he married Ann Ellsworth in 1704 If the same Margery married (bef. 1683) Stephen Crego, (28 April 1692) Edward Wislake, (26 December 1694) Peter Slade, and (11 May 1699) Richard Sackett; one would believe that, in addition to records of the death of Stephen Crego, there should be records relating to the deaths of Wislake and Slade, or her divorce from them, which would provide more precise data than the three marriage records. In a post on the 3rd Blanche indicates that Roy's book says that Peter Slade is shown on the tax lists from Dec. 1695-Mar. 1699. And then Marjory L. Sleade marries Richard Sackett 11 May 1699. I will add here that I encountered a situation in another family line where "two individuals were turned into four" and it required not only the marriage records, but a couple of probate records to determine that one brother had married his brother's widow. So I am not saying that Margery was not married four times, I am saying that we need more than three marriage records to prove that she did. 2. Concerning Richard Sackett's will; we still do not have the precise wording of the complete will. But from what we do have Richard did use the full names for John Sackett and Richard Sackett the first time their names were used. However, they are mentioned two more times using just their first names. And, as Chris pointed out the married name of his deceased daughter Mary Dean but he did not give the married name of his widowed daughter Catherine. And there is a question as to whether or not Josias Crego would signed as a witness to a document where his name was spelled as Josiah Crego. I found one website which offers a possible source of some documents that will help in this matter and it points to another possible error in Weygant's account of the family of Richard Sackett. Weygant gives the husband of Richard's daughter Catherine as Thomas Wolcot. However, the website of John B. Wolcott indicates that this is an error and that Catherine's married name is found in a court action relating to Richard's will: "Thomas m. Catherine Sackett, sometimes said to be daughter of Richard Sackett. This is in error as she was b. 1702, 24 years before Thomas, and her youngest child would have been born at age 60. Richard Sackett's will dated 1744 and proved 1746 leaves a bequest to his daughter, Catherine, "during her widowhood". In a court case regarding her father's will she is called Catherine Margeson, which was apparently her married name. Thomas' wife was probably Catherine, b. c.1720, daughter of Catherine's brother, John Sackett." [John B. Wolcott <johnwolcott@wolcottfamily.com> http://www.wolcottfamily.com/index.html] I have sent a note to John asking if he has copies of this court action, or where we might find the court action. If we could get these, or any other court records pertaining to the estate of Richard, we might find some of the answers we are looking for. 3. If we conclude that Josiah Crego and Josias Crego are the same individual and that Josiah Crego Sackett did not exist, then where do we find the parents of Nelly Sackett (b. 1732) who married Simeon Kelsey in 1754 in Kent, CT where they are listed as being "of Dover"? We have Elanor (wife of Simeon Kelsey) who is listed as having died in 1793 at age 61 who is buried in the cemetery at Spencers Corners, Dutchess Co., NY. Elanor's birth year matches that of Nelly Sackett. Nelly does not fit as a family member of either Richard, jr or John Sackett and although she was born before Richard, Sr made his will, she is not listed in his family. So, who were the parents of Nelly, Prince, Prime, and the unnamed child. 4. Concerning Skene Douglas Sackett, he becomes more of a mystery with each bit of informaion I receive. We know that he received a pension for his service in the Rev. War under the name Skene Douglas Sackett and is listed in records in Geauga and Ashtabula counties, Ohio and from the federal census records 1790-1850 that he existed. But I find it interesting that he is listed under several options in the index of pensioners: Douglass, Skene; Douglass, Skeen; Douglass, Sackett; Sackett, Skene; Sackett, Skene Douglass; Sackett, Skeen Douglass. This confusion would appear to arise from him serving under the name Skene Douglass to escape detection by his guardian, Mr. Bull. If this is the situation, then there should be some sort of document in his military pension file to indicate that Skene Douglass Sackett and Skene Douglass are the same individual. Another part of the mystery is that Weygant gives his birth place as probably New Milfore, Litchfield Co., CT. The 1790 census indicates that he was living in Waterbury, New Haven Co., CT and the "Ohio County and Family Histories, 1780-1970; Geauga County, Thompson Township; History of Geauga County, Ohio"; p 795 has two interesting statements: a.) "Skene Douglass Sackett was born in Milford, New Haven county, Connecticut..." b.) "He married Hannah Saxton, a native of that portion of the ancient town of Waterbury, now called Middlebury, the same county." I know that some of the "facts" in some of these county histories are hearsay at best. But the one writing this particular account indicates that he had an interest in Mr Palmer's companion, Skene Douglass Sackett, because he had "some acquaintance with" him. So, are we to conclude that the one writing the account misunderstood Skene D. Sackett when he said he was born in NEW Milford and concluded that he said Milford? Or did Skene D. Sackett actually say that he was born in Milford, New Haven Co., CT? This could open an entirely different possibility for his ancestry. I know ... I have more questions than I do answers, Best Regards, Thurmon On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:41:54 -0000 "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> writes: > Dear Roy, > > Many thanks for your message to the Sackett List. This is of great > help. The evidence of Margery's four marriages is compelling and your > interpretation of Richard Sackett's will is also persuasive. BTW, we had not > intended to indicate that the will referred to Josiah Crego Sackett; we were > just using this name to distinguish this individual from Josiah Crego. This > distinction becomes meaningless of course if we accept that Josiah Crego Sackett > did not exist. > > Accepting that Josiah Crego Sackett did not exist does however raise > further questions, most obviously with the family which Weygant attaches to > this man. You mention Weygant in your post so I assume you have a copy of > his book but, briefly, he has Josiah Crego Sackett marrying a Miss > Douglass in about 1650 (we have taken this as a typo for 1750) and having five > children: > Nelly who m. Simeon Kelsey; Prime; Prince; [unnamed]; and Skene Douglas > Sackett 1765-1832 who m. Hannah Sexton. The only one of these children for > whom there is subsequent data, (incl. much Rev. War data), is Skene Douglas. > The attachment of this man to "Miss Douglass" has the further attraction > that, according to Weygant, her mother was a "Skeene", having as a brother > Col. Philip Skeene. Weygant describes Josiah Crego Sackett as youngest son > of Capt Richard and Margery L Sleade Sackett, b. at Dover, Dutchess County, > and having lived at New Milford, Conn., for several years before his death. > There is a plausible suggestion, based on researches detailed in Andrew P > Sackett's book on Frederick Plummer Sackett, that the unnamed child in this > family was Aaron Sackett (Weygant # 714 on p491). > > We can guess why Weygant reached his conclusion about Josiah Crego Sackett > being the son of Richard Sackett (i.e. he assumed this from Richard's will) > but there do not appear to be any clues why he then attached a wife and > children to this man. The 'elimination' of Josiah Crego Sackett raises the > obvious question about who was/were the father(s) of these children. However > we should check first the remote possibility that Josiah Crego could have > taken his stepfather Richard Sackett's name and been the father of these > children. > > Blanche McKay found a website ref. to Josiah Crego's date of birth being > 1683. This would fit with his being born bef. c1690 when his father Stephen > Crego died and also with his being of age in 1703-1704 when he was a > co-purchaser with Richard Sackett of lands at Wassaic. But it would make it > nearly impossible that he was the father (aged 82) of Skene Douglas Sackett > b. 1765. I note also from Blanche McKay's report of your book that Josiah > Crego was last mentioned in Dutchess County in June 1747 and is believed to > have died at about that time. All of this seems to rule out any notion that > Josiah Crego "became" Josiah Crego Sackett. > > We are then left with the questions of the parentage of Nelly, Prime, > Prince, [Aaron], and Skene Douglas, and who married Miss Douglas, the > possible mother of these children. (Roy: This is really a question for the > Sackett List but, as you have obviously already had to work on this > material, any suggestions would be gratefully received.) Blanche found > unsourced website data giving birth dates of: Eleanor (Nelly) c1734/35; > Prime c1736; Prince c1738; and Skeene Douglas c1740. We have evidence that > Skene was b. 1765 and Aaron who may also be attached to this family would > have been b. in the early 1760s. It seems to me that what we are looking for > here are the parents of two families - the first three b. in the 1730s and > the last two b. in the 1760s. > > Turning to the much married Margery, the birth span of her children is > long - from Josiah Crego in 1683 to four children by Richard Sackett from > 1701 onwards. A 20+ year span is perfectly possible of course but I wonder > whether the daughters were children of Richard or of one (or two) of > Margery's previous husbands. If the latter, this would reduce the overall > birth span. We have concluded that Richard junior and John were Richard's > natural sons, being referred to in his will by their surname Sackett, and we > have concluded that Richard used the word "son" loosely for "stepson" when > referring to Josiah Crego. I wonder by the same token whether, when he > refers to "my daughter Mary Dean deceased" and "my daughter Catherine during > her widowhood", he means daughter or stepdaughter. Do you have any other > information on this? I wonder why he did not use Catherine's married name. > > Kind regards, and thanks again, > Chris Sackett > Sackett One-Name Study > www.sackett.org.uk > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roy Crego [mailto:rcrego@nac.net] > > Sent: 07 November 2003 00:43 > > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SACKETT-L] Josias Crego > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I stumbled across the flurry of emails concerning Josias Crego and > > thought I should let you know what I found when writing my book A > > Selective History of the Crego Family (1993). I believe Weygant > and > > subsequent researchers created four people when there were two, > all in > > an effort to explain Richard Sackett's will. Margery Crego and > Margery > > L. Sleade are the same person, and she was married 4 times. > Josias > > Crego was a son of Margery and I have found no evidence earlier > than > > Weygant for Josiah Crego Sackett. > > > > Margery (surname unknown) of New York City was married to Stephen > Crego, > > who died in 1690 aboard the frigate Archangel (Admon Book, 1692; > Log of > > the Archangel) . They are presumed to be parents of Josias Crego. > > > > Margery "Crege" married Edward Wislake by license dated 28 April > 1692 > > (NY County Will Book 3-4:333) > > > > Margery Wislake married Peter Slade by license dated 26 December > 1694 > > (NY County Will Book 5:92) > > > > Margery L. "Sleade" married Richard Sackett by license dated 11 > May 1699 > > (NY County Will Book 5:340). This is how a Margery Crego became > Margery > > Sackett. > > > > In the will of Richard Sackett (NY County Will Book 15:580), I > found no > > mention of a Josiah Crego Sackett, just the reference within the > will to > > "my wellbeloved son Josiah Crego". Sackett's other sons are > identified > > as Richard Sackett and John Sackett (with the surname). I do not > see > > any reason to assume the Sackett surname was dropped when the will > > referred to "Josiah Crego." Josiah is likely a spelling variant > for > > Josias. Josias Crego was also a witness to the deed and the > witness > > signature is recorded as "Josias Crego." I've seen Josias' actual > > signature on another document and he spelled his name Josias > Crego. > > > > I hope this helps clear things up and I invite the other list > members to > > look up the original documents and verify my findings. > > > > More details can be found in my book. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Roy Crego > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set > your > email software to text only before posting a message to the list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== RootsWeb blocks attachments. So sharing photos is not possible through the list; send off-list individually. 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Chris, Thank you for your reply. To answer your questions: Age of Josias Crego. I do not know of a document that gives his birthdate or even an age at a specific date. He was issued a license to marry on 4 March 1703/04, so I think a birth around 1683 is as good a guess as any. I do not think it likely that a man married in 1704 as Josias Crego and who signed Sackett's will in 1746 as Josias Crego would subsequently change his name to Sackett. Richard's daughter Catherine. Richard referred to this daughter at least two times in the will and one instance says her name was Catherine Margeson. Weygant. I am aware that Weygant attached a family to Josiah Crego Sackett. If there are primary documents (wills, deeds, pensions) for some of these descendants, start with the primary sources (not with Weygant) and see what parents or potential parents emerge. It sounds like an interesting project, but I will leave it to the Sackett list. Hope this helps! Roy Crego

Hi: As is so often the situation I send off a message with a question that would have been answered if I had read ALL of a message sent by someone else. (:>) Wendy included the transciption of Skene Douglas Sackett's pension application in which he states that he served under the name Skene Douglass. So that answers that question. Regards, Thurmon

Chris and all: I have been turning all of this over in my mind every since we started the exchanges relating to the family of Richard Sackett and Margery L. Sleade. So far the results have been that we are presented with about four mysteries rather than one. 1. Concerning the matter of the presumed four marriages of Margery and her being the mother of Josias Crego: Roy states this in two ways; "Josias Crego was a son of Margery and I have found no evidence earlier than Weygant for Josiah Crego Sackett." and "Margery (surname unknown) of New York City was married to Stephen Crego, who died in 1690 aboard the frigate Archangel (Admon Book, 1692; Log of the Archangel) . They are presumed to be parents of Josias Crego." The first statement says that "Josias Crego was a son of Margery" while the second one says that Stephen Crego and Margery are "presumed to be parents of Josias Crego." If there are probate records for the estate of Stephen Crego who died in 1690 there should be an account of his children. And considering the legal requirements of that time there should be guardianship records for the presumed son, Josias Crego who would have been about 7 years old at the time. Checking the information we have I find that Richard's father, #18-Jonathan Sackett was born 6 Jun 1655. If Jonathan married at 21, then he would have been married about 1676 and if we assume that Richard was his first child (born after 9 months) then Richard would have been born about 1677-78. This would have made him age 21 when he married Margery L. Sleade in 1699. And, if Margery Sleade was the same woman who was married to Stephen Crego and bore a son Josias Crego (b. about 1683), then she would have been at least 33 years old and had a son about 16-17 years old; assuming he was 21 years old when he married Ann Ellsworth in 1704 If the same Margery married (bef. 1683) Stephen Crego, (28 April 1692) Edward Wislake, (26 December 1694) Peter Slade, and (11 May 1699) Richard Sackett; one would believe that, in addition to records of the death of Stephen Crego, there should be records relating to the deaths of Wislake and Slade, or her divorce from them, which would provide more precise data than the three marriage records. In a post on the 3rd Blanche indicates that Roy's book says that Peter Slade is shown on the tax lists from Dec. 1695-Mar. 1699. And then Marjory L. Sleade marries Richard Sackett 11 May 1699. I will add here that I encountered a situation in another family line where "two individuals were turned into four" and it required not only the marriage records, but a couple of probate records to determine that one brother had married his brother's widow. So I am not saying that Margery was not married four times, I am saying that we need more than three marriage records to prove that she did. 2. Concerning Richard Sackett's will; we still do not have the precise wording of the complete will. But from what we do have Richard did use the full names for John Sackett and Richard Sackett the first time their names were used. However, they are mentioned two more times using just their first names. And, as Chris pointed out the married name of his deceased daughter Mary Dean but he did not give the married name of his widowed daughter Catherine. And there is a question as to whether or not Josias Crego would signed as a witness to a document where his name was spelled as Josiah Crego. I found one website which offers a possible source of some documents that will help in this matter and it points to another possible error in Weygant's account of the family of Richard Sackett. Weygant gives the husband of Richard's daughter Catherine as Thomas Wolcot. However, the website of John B. Wolcott indicates that this is an error and that Catherine's married name is found in a court action relating to Richard's will: "Thomas m. Catherine Sackett, sometimes said to be daughter of Richard Sackett. This is in error as she was b. 1702, 24 years before Thomas, and her youngest child would have been born at age 60. Richard Sackett's will dated 1744 and proved 1746 leaves a bequest to his daughter, Catherine, "during her widowhood". In a court case regarding her father's will she is called Catherine Margeson, which was apparently her married name. Thomas' wife was probably Catherine, b. c.1720, daughter of Catherine's brother, John Sackett." [John B. Wolcott <johnwolcott@wolcottfamily.com> http://www.wolcottfamily.com/index.html] I have sent a note to John asking if he has copies of this court action, or where we might find the court action. If we could get these, or any other court records pertaining to the estate of Richard, we might find some of the answers we are looking for. 3. If we conclude that Josiah Crego and Josias Crego are the same individual and that Josiah Crego Sackett did not exist, then where do we find the parents of Nelly Sackett (b. 1732) who married Simeon Kelsey in 1754 in Kent, CT where they are listed as being "of Dover"? We have Elanor (wife of Simeon Kelsey) who is listed as having died in 1793 at age 61 who is buried in the cemetery at Spencers Corners, Dutchess Co., NY. Elanor's birth year matches that of Nelly Sackett. Nelly does not fit as a family member of either Richard, jr or John Sackett and although she was born before Richard, Sr made his will, she is not listed in his family. So, who were the parents of Nelly, Prince, Prime, and the unnamed child. 4. Concerning Skene Douglas Sackett, he becomes more of a mystery with each bit of informaion I receive. We know that he received a pension for his service in the Rev. War under the name Skene Douglas Sackett and is listed in records in Geauga and Ashtabula counties, Ohio and from the federal census records 1790-1850 that he existed. But I find it interesting that he is listed under several options in the index of pensioners: Douglass, Skene; Douglass, Skeen; Douglass, Sackett; Sackett, Skene; Sackett, Skene Douglass; Sackett, Skeen Douglass. This confusion would appear to arise from him serving under the name Skene Douglass to escape detection by his guardian, Mr. Bull. If this is the situation, then there should be some sort of document in his military pension file to indicate that Skene Douglass Sackett and Skene Douglass are the same individual. Another part of the mystery is that Weygant gives his birth place as probably New Milfore, Litchfield Co., CT. The 1790 census indicates that he was living in Waterbury, New Haven Co., CT and the "Ohio County and Family Histories, 1780-1970; Geauga County, Thompson Township; History of Geauga County, Ohio"; p 795 has two interesting statements: a.) "Skene Douglass Sackett was born in Milford, New Haven county, Connecticut..." b.) "He married Hannah Saxton, a native of that portion of the ancient town of Waterbury, now called Middlebury, the same county." I know that some of the "facts" in some of these county histories are hearsay at best. But the one writing this particular account indicates that he had an interest in Mr Palmer's companion, Skene Douglass Sackett, because he had "some acquaintance with" him. So, are we to conclude that the one writing the account misunderstood Skene D. Sackett when he said he was born in NEW Milford and concluded that he said Milford? Or did Skene D. Sackett actually say that he was born in Milford, New Haven Co., CT? This could open an entirely different possibility for his ancestry. I know ... I have more questions than I do answers, Best Regards, Thurmon On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:41:54 -0000 "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> writes: > Dear Roy, > > Many thanks for your message to the Sackett List. This is of great > help. The evidence of Margery's four marriages is compelling and your > interpretation of Richard Sackett's will is also persuasive. BTW, we had not > intended to indicate that the will referred to Josiah Crego Sackett; we were > just using this name to distinguish this individual from Josiah Crego. This > distinction becomes meaningless of course if we accept that Josiah Crego Sackett > did not exist. > > Accepting that Josiah Crego Sackett did not exist does however raise > further questions, most obviously with the family which Weygant attaches to > this man. You mention Weygant in your post so I assume you have a copy of > his book but, briefly, he has Josiah Crego Sackett marrying a Miss > Douglass in about 1650 (we have taken this as a typo for 1750) and having five > children: > Nelly who m. Simeon Kelsey; Prime; Prince; [unnamed]; and Skene Douglas > Sackett 1765-1832 who m. Hannah Sexton. The only one of these children for > whom there is subsequent data, (incl. much Rev. War data), is Skene Douglas. > The attachment of this man to "Miss Douglass" has the further attraction > that, according to Weygant, her mother was a "Skeene", having as a brother > Col. Philip Skeene. Weygant describes Josiah Crego Sackett as youngest son > of Capt Richard and Margery L Sleade Sackett, b. at Dover, Dutchess County, > and having lived at New Milford, Conn., for several years before his death. > There is a plausible suggestion, based on researches detailed in Andrew P > Sackett's book on Frederick Plummer Sackett, that the unnamed child in this > family was Aaron Sackett (Weygant # 714 on p491). > > We can guess why Weygant reached his conclusion about Josiah Crego Sackett > being the son of Richard Sackett (i.e. he assumed this from Richard's will) > but there do not appear to be any clues why he then attached a wife and > children to this man. The 'elimination' of Josiah Crego Sackett raises the > obvious question about who was/were the father(s) of these children. However > we should check first the remote possibility that Josiah Crego could have > taken his stepfather Richard Sackett's name and been the father of these > children. > > Blanche McKay found a website ref. to Josiah Crego's date of birth being > 1683. This would fit with his being born bef. c1690 when his father Stephen > Crego died and also with his being of age in 1703-1704 when he was a > co-purchaser with Richard Sackett of lands at Wassaic. But it would make it > nearly impossible that he was the father (aged 82) of Skene Douglas Sackett > b. 1765. I note also from Blanche McKay's report of your book that Josiah > Crego was last mentioned in Dutchess County in June 1747 and is believed to > have died at about that time. All of this seems to rule out any notion that > Josiah Crego "became" Josiah Crego Sackett. > > We are then left with the questions of the parentage of Nelly, Prime, > Prince, [Aaron], and Skene Douglas, and who married Miss Douglas, the > possible mother of these children. (Roy: This is really a question for the > Sackett List but, as you have obviously already had to work on this > material, any suggestions would be gratefully received.) Blanche found > unsourced website data giving birth dates of: Eleanor (Nelly) c1734/35; > Prime c1736; Prince c1738; and Skeene Douglas c1740. We have evidence that > Skene was b. 1765 and Aaron who may also be attached to this family would > have been b. in the early 1760s. It seems to me that what we are looking for > here are the parents of two families - the first three b. in the 1730s and > the last two b. in the 1760s. > > Turning to the much married Margery, the birth span of her children is > long - from Josiah Crego in 1683 to four children by Richard Sackett from > 1701 onwards. A 20+ year span is perfectly possible of course but I wonder > whether the daughters were children of Richard or of one (or two) of > Margery's previous husbands. If the latter, this would reduce the overall > birth span. We have concluded that Richard junior and John were Richard's > natural sons, being referred to in his will by their surname Sackett, and we > have concluded that Richard used the word "son" loosely for "stepson" when > referring to Josiah Crego. I wonder by the same token whether, when he > refers to "my daughter Mary Dean deceased" and "my daughter Catherine during > her widowhood", he means daughter or stepdaughter. Do you have any other > information on this? I wonder why he did not use Catherine's married name. > > Kind regards, and thanks again, > Chris Sackett > Sackett One-Name Study > www.sackett.org.uk > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roy Crego [mailto:rcrego@nac.net] > > Sent: 07 November 2003 00:43 > > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SACKETT-L] Josias Crego > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I stumbled across the flurry of emails concerning Josias Crego and > > thought I should let you know what I found when writing my book A > > Selective History of the Crego Family (1993). I believe Weygant > and > > subsequent researchers created four people when there were two, > all in > > an effort to explain Richard Sackett's will. Margery Crego and > Margery > > L. Sleade are the same person, and she was married 4 times. > Josias > > Crego was a son of Margery and I have found no evidence earlier > than > > Weygant for Josiah Crego Sackett. > > > > Margery (surname unknown) of New York City was married to Stephen > Crego, > > who died in 1690 aboard the frigate Archangel (Admon Book, 1692; > Log of > > the Archangel) . They are presumed to be parents of Josias Crego. > > > > Margery "Crege" married Edward Wislake by license dated 28 April > 1692 > > (NY County Will Book 3-4:333) > > > > Margery Wislake married Peter Slade by license dated 26 December > 1694 > > (NY County Will Book 5:92) > > > > Margery L. "Sleade" married Richard Sackett by license dated 11 > May 1699 > > (NY County Will Book 5:340). This is how a Margery Crego became > Margery > > Sackett. > > > > In the will of Richard Sackett (NY County Will Book 15:580), I > found no > > mention of a Josiah Crego Sackett, just the reference within the > will to > > "my wellbeloved son Josiah Crego". Sackett's other sons are > identified > > as Richard Sackett and John Sackett (with the surname). I do not > see > > any reason to assume the Sackett surname was dropped when the will > > referred to "Josiah Crego." Josiah is likely a spelling variant > for > > Josias. Josias Crego was also a witness to the deed and the > witness > > signature is recorded as "Josias Crego." I've seen Josias' actual > > signature on another document and he spelled his name Josias > Crego. > > > > I hope this helps clear things up and I invite the other list > members to > > look up the original documents and verify my findings. > > > > More details can be found in my book. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Roy Crego > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set > your > email software to text only before posting a message to the list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Roy, Many thanks for your message to the Sackett List. This is of great help. The evidence of Margery's four marriages is compelling and your interpretation of Richard Sackett's will is also persuasive. BTW, we had not intended to indicate that the will referred to Josiah Crego Sackett; we were just using this name to distinguish this individual from Josiah Crego. This distinction becomes meaningless of course if we accept that Josiah Crego Sackett did not exist. Accepting that Josiah Crego Sackett did not exist does however raise further questions, most obviously with the family which Weygant attaches to this man. You mention Weygant in your post so I assume you have a copy of his book but, briefly, he has Josiah Crego Sackett marrying a Miss Douglass in about 1650 (we have taken this as a typo for 1750) and having five children: Nelly who m. Simeon Kelsey; Prime; Prince; [unnamed]; and Skene Douglas Sackett 1765-1832 who m. Hannah Sexton. The only one of these children for whom there is subsequent data, (incl. much Rev. War data), is Skene Douglas. The attachment of this man to "Miss Douglass" has the further attraction that, according to Weygant, her mother was a "Skeene", having as a brother Col. Philip Skeene. Weygant describes Josiah Crego Sackett as youngest son of Capt Richard and Margery L Sleade Sackett, b. at Dover, Dutchess County, and having lived at New Milford, Conn., for several years before his death. There is a plausible suggestion, based on researches detailed in Andrew P Sackett's book on Frederick Plummer Sackett, that the unnamed child in this family was Aaron Sackett (Weygant # 714 on p491). We can guess why Weygant reached his conclusion about Josiah Crego Sackett being the son of Richard Sackett (i.e. he assumed this from Richard's will) but there do not appear to be any clues why he then attached a wife and children to this man. The 'elimination' of Josiah Crego Sackett raises the obvious question about who was/were the father(s) of these children. However we should check first the remote possibility that Josiah Crego could have taken his stepfather Richard Sackett's name and been the father of these children. Blanche McKay found a website ref. to Josiah Crego's date of birth being 1683. This would fit with his being born bef. c1690 when his father Stephen Crego died and also with his being of age in 1703-1704 when he was a co-purchaser with Richard Sackett of lands at Wassaic. But it would make it nearly impossible that he was the father (aged 82) of Skene Douglas Sackett b. 1765. I note also from Blanche McKay's report of your book that Josiah Crego was last mentioned in Dutchess County in June 1747 and is believed to have died at about that time. All of this seems to rule out any notion that Josiah Crego "became" Josiah Crego Sackett. We are then left with the questions of the parentage of Nelly, Prime, Prince, [Aaron], and Skene Douglas, and who married Miss Douglas, the possible mother of these children. (Roy: This is really a question for the Sackett List but, as you have obviously already had to work on this material, any suggestions would be gratefully received.) Blanche found unsourced website data giving birth dates of: Eleanor (Nelly) c1734/35; Prime c1736; Prince c1738; and Skeene Douglas c1740. We have evidence that Skene was b. 1765 and Aaron who may also be attached to this family would have been b. in the early 1760s. It seems to me that what we are looking for here are the parents of two families - the first three b. in the 1730s and the last two b. in the 1760s. Turning to the much married Margery, the birth span of her children is long - from Josiah Crego in 1683 to four children by Richard Sackett from 1701 onwards. A 20+ year span is perfectly possible of course but I wonder whether the daughters were children of Richard or of one (or two) of Margery's previous husbands. If the latter, this would reduce the overall birth span. We have concluded that Richard junior and John were Richard's natural sons, being referred to in his will by their surname Sackett, and we have concluded that Richard used the word "son" loosely for "stepson" when referring to Josiah Crego. I wonder by the same token whether, when he refers to "my daughter Mary Dean deceased" and "my daughter Catherine during her widowhood", he means daughter or stepdaughter. Do you have any other information on this? I wonder why he did not use Catherine's married name. Kind regards, and thanks again, Chris Sackett Sackett One-Name Study www.sackett.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Crego [mailto:rcrego@nac.net] > Sent: 07 November 2003 00:43 > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SACKETT-L] Josias Crego > > > Hello, > > I stumbled across the flurry of emails concerning Josias Crego and > thought I should let you know what I found when writing my book A > Selective History of the Crego Family (1993). I believe Weygant and > subsequent researchers created four people when there were two, all in > an effort to explain Richard Sackett's will. Margery Crego and Margery > L. Sleade are the same person, and she was married 4 times. Josias > Crego was a son of Margery and I have found no evidence earlier than > Weygant for Josiah Crego Sackett. > > Margery (surname unknown) of New York City was married to Stephen Crego, > who died in 1690 aboard the frigate Archangel (Admon Book, 1692; Log of > the Archangel) . They are presumed to be parents of Josias Crego. > > Margery "Crege" married Edward Wislake by license dated 28 April 1692 > (NY County Will Book 3-4:333) > > Margery Wislake married Peter Slade by license dated 26 December 1694 > (NY County Will Book 5:92) > > Margery L. "Sleade" married Richard Sackett by license dated 11 May 1699 > (NY County Will Book 5:340). This is how a Margery Crego became Margery > Sackett. > > In the will of Richard Sackett (NY County Will Book 15:580), I found no > mention of a Josiah Crego Sackett, just the reference within the will to > "my wellbeloved son Josiah Crego". Sackett's other sons are identified > as Richard Sackett and John Sackett (with the surname). I do not see > any reason to assume the Sackett surname was dropped when the will > referred to "Josiah Crego." Josiah is likely a spelling variant for > Josias. Josias Crego was also a witness to the deed and the witness > signature is recorded as "Josias Crego." I've seen Josias' actual > signature on another document and he spelled his name Josias Crego. > > I hope this helps clear things up and I invite the other list members to > look up the original documents and verify my findings. > > More details can be found in my book. > > Sincerely, > > Roy Crego

Hello, I stumbled across the flurry of emails concerning Josias Crego and thought I should let you know what I found when writing my book A Selective History of the Crego Family (1993). I believe Weygant and subsequent researchers created four people when there were two, all in an effort to explain Richard Sackett's will. Margery Crego and Margery L. Sleade are the same person, and she was married 4 times. Josias Crego was a son of Margery and I have found no evidence earlier than Weygant for Josiah Crego Sackett. Margery (surname unknown) of New York City was married to Stephen Crego, who died in 1690 aboard the frigate Archangel (Admon Book, 1692; Log of the Archangel) . They are presumed to be parents of Josias Crego. Margery "Crege" married Edward Wislake by license dated 28 April 1692 (NY County Will Book 3-4:333) Margery Wislake married Peter Slade by license dated 26 December 1694 (NY County Will Book 5:92) Margery L. "Sleade" married Richard Sackett by license dated 11 May 1699 (NY County Will Book 5:340). This is how a Margery Crego became Margery Sackett. In the will of Richard Sackett (NY County Will Book 15:580), I found no mention of a Josiah Crego Sackett, just the reference within the will to "my wellbeloved son Josiah Crego". Sackett's other sons are identified as Richard Sackett and John Sackett (with the surname). I do not see any reason to assume the Sackett surname was dropped when the will referred to "Josiah Crego." Josiah is likely a spelling variant for Josias. Josias Crego was also a witness to the deed and the witness signature is recorded as "Josias Crego." I've seen Josias' actual signature on another document and he spelled his name Josias Crego. I hope this helps clear things up and I invite the other list members to look up the original documents and verify my findings. More details can be found in my book. Sincerely, Roy Crego

I'm loving it too, Blanche! Reading and printing out messages galore and hope someday to be able to enter a bunch of this information in my database!! This list is truly privileged!! Thanks everyone! Later...Nancy Nancy Cluff Siders TSFA President and List Admin for: CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L To forget one's ancestor is to be a brook without a source, A tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb -----Original Message----- From: Harry McKay [mailto:bhmckay5743@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:02 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SACKETT-L] Crego/Sackett I can't believe that I stirred up so much correspondence on the above subjects. But, I love it!! I haven't had time to go over all the messages yet, but I noted one from Thurmon in which he had the 1850 census in Ohio for Skene D. Sackett. This certainly bears out the date of 1765 for his birth. And, the Lovilla (or Lorilla) with Skene on the 1850 census has to be his second wife whom he married 27 June 1832. Thurmon, you have it as Dorathy, Lorilla. Is that the way it is in the record? Thank all of you for participating in this. My main goal is accuracy. Maybe we will not find all the answers but come a little closer. Blanche McKay ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== To Subscribe to the digest, SACKETT-D, address your email to: sackett-d-request@rootsweb.com and type: SUBSCRIBE. Remember to unsubscribe yourself from sackett-l or you will get multiple copies! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Blanche: The record for Skene D. Sackett's marriage is just as it appeared in the search results of genealogy.com's Genealogy Library. I do not have access to the record cited. I noticed that in Wendy's message that she put [sic] following the spelling. So, maybe she has seen the record. Thurmon Harry McKay <bhmckay5743@juno.com> wrote: >I can't believe that I stirred up so much correspondence on the above >subjects. But, I love it!! > >I haven't had time to go over all the messages yet, but I noted one from >Thurmon in which he had the 1850 census in Ohio for Skene D. Sackett. >This certainly bears out the date of 1765 for his birth. And, the >Lovilla (or Lorilla) with Skene on the 1850 census has to be his second >wife whom he married 27 June 1832. Thurmon, you have it as Dorathy, >Lorilla. Is that the way it is in the record? > >Thank all of you for participating in this. My main goal is accuracy. >Maybe we will not find all the answers but come a little closer. > >Blanche McKay > > > >==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >To Subscribe to the digest, SACKETT-D, address your email to: >sackett-d-request@rootsweb.com and type: SUBSCRIBE. Remember to >unsubscribe yourself from sackett-l or you will get multiple copies! > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- Thurmon Accurate Information Is Our Goal. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

I can't believe that I stirred up so much correspondence on the above subjects. But, I love it!! I haven't had time to go over all the messages yet, but I noted one from Thurmon in which he had the 1850 census in Ohio for Skene D. Sackett. This certainly bears out the date of 1765 for his birth. And, the Lovilla (or Lorilla) with Skene on the 1850 census has to be his second wife whom he married 27 June 1832. Thurmon, you have it as Dorathy, Lorilla. Is that the way it is in the record? Thank all of you for participating in this. My main goal is accuracy. Maybe we will not find all the answers but come a little closer. Blanche McKay

Sackett Searchers; I recently had a contact from John Pepper who did a search for his father, John Henry Pepper, and found him listed on the website. The interesting thing about this is that he would not have found his father if Eugene Venne had not submitted the information for the descendants of 1203-Nathan Sackett and Martha Daukin which contained one little bit of information that assisted John Pepper: " Buddy legally changed name to John Henry Pepper" Buddy was the nickname of Henry E. Peppereit, son of Henry Ernest Peppereit who married Mabel Dunn, granddaughter of 1203-Nathan Sackett. John Pepper had known that his father had changed his name but his father had never told anyone what his name had been before he changed it. Once again I was reminded of the value of one little bit of information. Thurmon

Chris and all: I found another bit of information I downloaded some time ago from GenForum for Nelly Sackett, dau of Josiah Crego Sackett: Re: Searching for Sackett-Frisbie Connection Posted by: Cynthia Simmons (ID *****2401) Date: January 18, 2003 at 09:10:29 In Reply to: Searching for Sackett-Frisbie Connection by R.J. Message: 549 of 549 I have just found (thanks to the Dutchess County Historical Society) that Nelly Sackett (b. 1832) is most likely the Eleanor Kelsey, wife of Simeon Kelsey (b.1830). In the Spencer's Corners burial grounds, there is a Mrs. Eleanor, wife of Mr. Simeon 'Kellsy'(Kelsey); died 1793, age 61. Simeon Kelsey (d. 25 Nov 1811) is also buried there, as is his second wife (called 'consort'), Rhumah (?)Kelsey. Any thoughts that is Eleanor is Nelly? ====== end ====== This gives the death date and age at death for Nelly (Sackett) Kelsey. Using this and the marriage date would seem to establish that this is the same individual. ----- Of Dover, Dutchess Co., NY: Kent CT Marriages as found in Early Connecticut Marriages by Frederick Bailey 1741 to 1757 Simeon Kelsey & Nelly Sackett of Dover, N. Y., Aug. 22, 1754 ----- Observations: 1. The marriage record seems to say that Simeon and Nelly were both from Dover, NY in 1754. Would this indicate that Josiah Crego Sackett was still a resident of Dover at that time? 2. Nelly Sackett seems to have lived all her life in Dutchess Co., NY Now, if we assume that Josiah Crego Sackett was married twice and that possibly 714-Aaron Sackett (m. 1786) and Skene Douglas Sackett (b. 1765) were children of the 2nd marriage [and considering the claim that Skene Douglas Sackett was born 1765 in New Milford, Litchfield Co., CT (or Milford, New Haven Co., CT)] could we assume that Josiah moved to CT followiing the death of his first wife? Drifting on a foggy river, Thurmon

Chris, Thurmon, and other listers: When postings about the saga of Margery (nee Unknown) CREGO WISLAKE SLADE/SLEADE SACKETT began, my Internet connection at work had gone haywire. Both Ancestry.com and another site (http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Marriage/AZ/Pub.html) have entries regarding Margery's marriages transcribed from _New York Marriages Previous to 1784_ [Names of Persons for Whom Marriage Licenses Were Issued By the Secretary of the Province of New York, Previous to 1784] and _Marriage Registers, Extracts from Manhattan (1869-1880) and Brooklyn (1895-1897)_ Then you all moved on to Josiah Crego Sackett. From the correspondence that passed between Fred Sacket and Frank Sacket (sons of Chauncey and grandsons of Skene D. Sackett) and Charles Weygant before the publication of THE SACKETTS OF AMERICA, it seems clear that Weygant was the one who advanced the idea of Skene being the son of Josiah Crego Sackett. (Someday I have got to get around to transcribing this correspondence to share with the list). There does appear to be a whole line descended from Nelly Sackett of Dover, New York, who married Simeon Kelsey 22 AUG 1754 in Kent, Litchfield County, Connecticut (found in _Early Connecticut Marriages: Fifth Book Kent Milford_ posted on Ancestry.com). Since Nelly's purported sons Heth (b. 1756) and Elijah (b.1759) are older than Skene himself, it seems unlikely that she could be Skene's sister. Her connection to Dover, however, does suggest a likely link to Captain Richard's line. From messages I have exchanged with a descendent of Col. Phillip Skene (founder of Skenesborough/Whitehall, New York, and a colonial governor), there is no evidence of him having a sister who married and came to America, making the "Miss Douglass" connection to the Skene family rather unlikely. In the family lore, Fred Sacket recalled his grandfather Skene telling about the physical abuse he had suffered as the ward of his Uncle Bull. (I need to do more sleuthing to put a first name to this man; perhaps from New Milford, Connecticut.) The rest of the details about Skene's wartime service, his move to Oneida County in New York, and his subsequent move to Trumbull County and Ashtabula County in Ohio are accurate and can be confirmed with primary records (tax lists, census lists, and pension lists). Here is what I have compiled (mostly from documents that are available online at Ancestry.com, those with double asterisk are posted on Ashtabula Co. OHGENWEB page on RootsWeb): * Skeen Douglass paid from 23 JAN 1781 to 31 DEC 1781 for service as private in Col. Heman Swift's Second Regiment of the "Connecticut Line"; time expired in JAN 1784. * 1790 federal census for Waterbury Twp., New Haven Co., Connecticut (listed as Siam D. Sackett on page 110) * 1800 federal census for Paris Twp., Oneida Co., New York (listed as Skeen D. Sacket on p. 184) ** 1804 tax list for Mesopotamia Twp., Trumbull Co., Ohio (appears as Kene D. Sacket) {According to _Historical Sketches of Ashtabula County, Ohio_ [written by Catherine Trapp Ellsworth, originally published in _The Star-Beacon_ between 1975-1976 and 1986-1988], p. 229: ³Sacket¹s blacksmith shop served as the site of Windsor¹s first school during the winter of 1804-1805. There, Miss Keziah Griswold taught nine pupils. A log school was built for the next year, one-half mile south of Windsor corners, taught by Harvey Cook.² p. 230: ³The third quarry was a grindstone quarry at Warner¹s Hollow, which is where the name Grindstone Creek was chosen. Not far away, a huge rock, known to be a stalagtite formation of limestone, was found. Here, Skene Sacket set up a lime kilm, and baked the lime rock to be used for plaster.²} ** 1806 tax list for Trumbull Co., Ohio (in 6th collection district as Sheen D. Sacket) ** 1807 tax list for Trumbull Co., Ohio (appears as Skean D. Sacket) * 1810 federal census for Troy Twp., Trumbull Co., Ohio (listed as Skene Sackett on p. 38) * Act of 1818 Connecticut Pensioners Residing in Ohio (listed as Skeen Douglas Sacket, Private) {NOTE: Skene's first wife, Hannah Saxton Sackett, died at age 62 on 17 FEB 1826 in Windsor, Ohio, and was buried in the "Judge Griswold" burial ground before being moved to a plot beside her husband in the Windsor Corners cemetery.} * 1830 federal census for Windsor Twp., Ashtabula Co., Ohio (appears on p. 178 as S. D. Sacket, along with sons G[ery or erry] Sacket and C[hauncey] Sacket) ** 1835 pension roll of Revolutionary War Veterans (age 69, living in Windsor Twp., Ashtabula Co., Ohio) ** 1840 census of pensioners (age 76, living in household of Jonathan Wilder in Windsor Twp., Ashtabula Co., Ohio) * 1840 federal census for Windsor Twp., Ashtabula Co., Ohio (listed as Skene D. Sackett; only two people in household) And the following are transcriptions of just three of the photocopied documents obtained from NARA in 1961 by my great-aunt May Belle Sacket Humphreys (daughter of Frederick Gleason Sacket): ++++++++++++++++++ The State of Ohio Ashtabula County, SS Court of Common Pleas April Term 1829 On this fifteenth day of April AD 1829, personally appeared in Open Court, being a Court of Record for said County, Skene Douglass Sackett, aged sixty-four years resident in Windsor in said County, who being first duly sworn according to Law, doth on his said Oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the provisions made by the Acts of Congress of the 18th March 1818 and the first of May AD 1820. That he the said Skene D. Sackett Enlisted by the name of Skene Douglass for the term of three years on or about the first day of January AD 1781 in the state of Connecticut in the Company commanded by Captain Wright in the Regiment commanded by Colonel Swift in second Regiment of the Connecticut line on the Continental Establishment‹That he continued to serve in said corps until on or about the 29th October AD 1783 when he was discharged from the said service at West Point in the State of New York‹That he has no other evidence of his service than his discharge, which was forwarded to the Office of the Secretary of War of the United States in 1818‹ And in pursuance of the Act of the first of May AD 1820, I do solemnly swear that I was a resident citizen of the United States on the 18th day of March 1818 and that I have not since that time, by gift, sale, or in any manner disposed of my property or any part thereof, with intent so to diminish it as to bring myself within the provisions of an Act of Congress Entitled ³An Act to provide for certain persons engaged in the Land and naval service of the United States in the Revolutionary War² passed on the 18th day of March AD 1818, and that I have not, nor has any person in trust for me any property or securities contracts or debts due to me, nor have I any income other than what is contained in the schedule hereto annexed and by me subscribed‹ Seventy-five Acres of Land 2 Horses 50 bls pork 2 Cows 50 Rye flour 5 Sheep 3 Hogs‹ And the said Skene D. Sacket on his said Oath further saith that he is a labourer‹That by reason of age and bodily infirmities he is able to labour but little and that he has no family‹ And the said Skene D. on his said Oath further saith that he is indebted To Traverse, Miller $20.00 To the Estate Levi Dickenson 21.00 To G. W. St. John & Company 6.50 To Jonas Stafford 4.00 To Solomon Griswold 48.00 To James Norris 8.00 To West Winslow 15.00 To Hapgood & Crowell 14.00 To John Glading[*] 8.00 Sworn to and Declared in Open Court the 15th day Skene D. Sacket‹ of April AD 1829‹ Attest Saml. Hendry, Clerk I Saml. Hendry, Clerk of the Court of Common Please for the County of Ashtabula do hereby certify that the foregone Oath and Schedule thereto annexed are truly copied from the Record of said Court, and I do further certify that it is the Opinion of the said Court that the total Amount in value of the said property exhibited in the aforesaid Schedule is five hundred and ninety-seven Dollars, deducting debts due from him‹ In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of our said Court at Jefferson the fifteenth day of April AD 1829 Saml. Hendry, Clerk [* NOTE: should read ³John Gladding,² who likely was the father-in-law of Skene¹s son Chauncey Sackett] +++++++++++++++ State of Ohio Ashtabula County, SS On this 4th day of May AD 1853, personally appeared before the Probate Court in and for Ashtabula County and State of Ohio, Lorilla Sackett a resident of the township of Windsor, county and state aforesaid, aged sixty-six years, who being first duly sworn in said court according to law doth on her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of an act of Congress passed on the third day of February 1853 granting pensions to widows of revolutionary soldiers. That she is the widow of Skeen Duglas [sic] Sackett, a Revolutionary pensioner who died in said Windsor on the ninth day of June 1852. That she was married to said Sackett in the township of Windsor, county and state aforesaid, she thinks in the year 1832 in the month of June. That her name before marriage was Lorilla Dorathy [sic]. That in further proof in support of her claim she refers to her husband¹s papers on file in the pension office and papers hereunto annexed. her Lorrilla X Sackett mark Sworn to and subscribed in said court the day and year above written before me. J. A. Giddings Probate Judge ++++++++ The State of Ohio Ashtabula County, SS. On this 7 day of April in the year one thousand eight hundred and fifty-five personally appeared before me Owen Stoughton a justice of the Piece [sic] duly authorized by law to administer oaths within the county and State aforesaid Lorilla Sackett aged 68 years, a resident of Windsor in the State of Ohio who being duly sworn according to law, declares that he [sic] is the widow of Skean D. Sackett the deceased who was a Revolutionary Soldier in the service of the United States at on or about the day of [blank] in the year [blank] for the term of [blank] and was honorably discharged at [blank] on the [blank] day of [blank] in the year [blank] as will appear. She further states that she was married to the said Skean D. Sackett June the 19 AD 1832 by one Timothy Alderman, a Justice of the Piece [sic] and that her name before her said marriage was L. Daughety [sic], that her said husband died at Windsor June the 9 AD 1852 and that she is still a widow. She further states that she receives a yearly pension which is payable on the forth [sic] of March and the forth [sic] of September for eighty dollars per annum. That she was pensioned under the Act of February 3d 1853. Certificate dated December 9th 1853. Recorded on pension rolls, under Act of February 3d 1853, in vol. A, page 168. For Eighty Dollars per annum. She makes this declaration for the purpose of obtaining the Bounty Land to which she may be entitled under the Act of Congress passed March 3d, 1855, granting Bounty Land to certain Officers and Soldiers who have performed Military Service in the Wars of the United States, and she states that she has never made application for or obtained Bounty Land. her Lorilla X Sacket mark Sworn to and subscribed before me, the undersigned, duly authorized by law to administer oaths, on the day and year above written. And I do hereby certify that I believe the said Lorilla Sackett to be the widow entitled to the Bound Land as claimed, and to be of the age above stated, and that I have no interest whatever in the result of said Bounty Land Claim, nor am I concerned in the prosecution thereof. In Testimony Whereof I have hereunto set my hand, official, and affixed my seal of office at Windsor in the county aforesaid, the day and year first above written. Owen Stoughton, Justice of the Peace [NOTE: This was a preprinted form with blanks to be filled in.]

Tom, Great! The particular entry quoted by Mr Goodsell was the Transcript for 5 July 1922, item 9926, which, according to Goodsell, states that, "Captain Richard settled in Dover, New York, just across the line from Litchfield County, that he married second, Mary Crego, and that their only child was Josiah Crego." Hopefully the Transcript will contain details of sources. Kind regards, Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsmith26@comcast.net] > > Chris& All, I have access to "The Boston Transcripts" at The > Godfrey Library > in Middletown, CT. If I remember, it is a collection of genealogical > gleanings from New England in the Victorian Era that were published on a > regular bases. I'll get a more accurate description on my next visit. > Tom

Thurmon, I think I wouldn't go looking for other parents for Skene Douglas, at least not yet! What this is beginning to look like is that Josiah Crego Sackett married twice & had two families. The first family, wife's name not known, would have had children Nelly, Prime, & Prince, born in the 1730s/1740s. The second family, wife ___ Douglas, would have been Aaron and Skene, born in the 1760s. This works as well for the marriage date of "about 1750". It would have been the second family that was farmed out to the Douglases. But I'd keep Skene Douglas as a son of Josiah Crego Sackett on the grounds that the unusual name fits not only with his mother's maiden name of Douglas but also with his maternal grandmother's maiden name of Skeene. I've put Aaron in with the second family above on the basis of his marriage to Phebe Hart in 1786 indicating a birth date of say early 1760s (surely somebody in this family had to do something at the right time!). Pleased you're having fun! Ditto! Guess we're just waiting on Liesa to come up with the will? Best.. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Thurmon King [mailto:thurmonking@netscape.net] > > Chris: > > How about a little bit more confusion? > > I found a marriage record: > Of Dover, Dutchess Co., NY: > Kent CT Marriages as found in Early Connecticut Marriages by > Frederick Bailey > 1741 to 1757 > Simeon Kelsey & Nelly Sackett of Dover, N. Y., Aug. 22, 1754 > > I have this marriage as that of 275-Nelly, daughter of Josiah > Crego Sackett. Nelly would have need to have been born near that > ca 1734/35 date to have been old enough to marry in 1754. > > Weygant says that Skene Douglas Sackett was an oversized under > aged boy who ran away and joined to fight in the Rev. War as > Skene Douglas to escape detection by his uncle. The 1850 census > indicates that he was born in 1765. So it is beginning to look > as though Skene Douglas Sackett may be assigned to the wrong parents. > > Isn't this fun ??? > > Thurmon

Thurmon, Blanche, & any other sleuths out there, Thanks for the Andrew P Sackett material. As it happens I had also copied some of this while in SLC, but had not yet got around to studying it. Looking at p.12 where APS gives a Summary from the Colonists to Frederick Plummer Sackett, he has the following: "Captain Richard Sackett, born 16__; died 1746; married first Margery L. Sleade on May 11, 1699; second Margery Crego." He repeats the reference to "Margery Crego" on p13, so it would appear not to be a typo. He does not give a source for "Margery Crego", but if this is right it would solve the problem with the wife's name in Richard's will. Unfortunately, it goes against Mr Goodsell's research finding that the Boston Transcript has Richard marrying second, Mary Crego. Either way it looks as if Richard did marry twice. And I have come across English records where Margery and Mary have been inter-changed. Do we know anything of the Boston Transcript? What is it? Can we look it up? We would really need the date of Richard's second marriage & the date of birth of Josiah Crego Sackett to button this up. Regards, Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > Blanche, Chris and All: > > This discussion concerning the children and wife/wives of Capt. Richard > Sackett has brought me back to some of the material I have concerning the > parentage of 714-Aaron Sackett and the different opinions as to which > Aaron Sacket(t) married Phebe Hart in Litchfield, CT. > > Some time back Mary Lou Sackett sent me photocopies of most of the pages > from the booklet; "Frederick Plummer Sackett" by Andrew P. Sackett. > Among the pages are three letters; one from A. P. Sackett to a researcher > named Percy Hamilto Goodsel, JR in Connecticut, and two from Mr. Goodsell > to A. P. Sackett. Of special interest in the letters is the > claim/suggestion that Richard Sackett was married to Margery Sleade and > to a Mary Crego who was the mother of Josiah Crego Sackett. Of course > this is complicated by Richard's will which mentions his wife Margery and > his son Josiah Crego:

Well; I did some searching in the Genealogy.com genealogy library and found some interesting information about Skene Douglas Sackett. One bit of information form the history of Geauga Co., OH conflicts with what we have for his birth place. It gives Milford, New Haven Co., CT while our other sources indicate that it was New Milford, Litchfield Co., CT. Ohio County and Family Histories, 1780-1970Geauga County, Thompson TownshipHistory of Geauga County, Ohio; p 795 First Settlement The first settler of this township ws Dr. Isaac Palmer, who was born in Plainfield, Windham county, Connecticut, in `770, and studied for, and commmmenced the practice of medicine, before he was twenty-five years old. His practice was confined to the region where he was born, as he did not practice much after he came to Ohio. He married Lois Maltby, of Goshen, Conn., -- some two years younger than himself -- the exact date of which event we are not possessed of, but a daughter they called Anna, was born to them, in 1796, who died at Concord, Ohio, in 1875, a widow with several children. In 1799 they were at Buffalo, New York, and lost a child, nine days old. In 1800 we find them in Thompson, on lot eleven, decoyed thither by the agency of all lands in his name. He chopped, and cleared some sixteen acres, but, being dissatisfied with his treatment at the hands of King, "pulled up stakes," and moved to Concord, Ohio, to what was known as "Perkin's Camp," near the south line of the township, where he remained a year or so, and then moved within two miles of Painesville, on the north line of Concord township, where he lived til 1840, when he died, possessed of some four hundred acres of land, and two, or more, thousand dollars worth of personal property, the accumulation of his forty years of toil. While in Thompson, in 1802, a son was born to them, which was, of course, the first child born in the township. He was named Isaac, and now (1876) is living in the northwest corner of Concord, with a family of two sons and four daughters living in the vicinity. The doctor sailed his own boat from Buffalo to Fairport, and up Grand river opposite Thompson, having for comapny, his wife, child, and a man named Sackett. In those days Grand river was at full banks, and, as they were going up the stream, having some fruit trees that he brought with him from the east, stopped and planted them on what is known as the General Paine farm, in Painesville, where they are still growing. In two years, say in 1802, Dr. Palmer returned to Connecticut, settled up Sackett's affairs, and brought on his family. Sackett afterwards went to Windsor, Ashtabula county. I was interested in the sketch of Palmer, the first settler of Thompson; his companion in his journey, Mr. Sackett. Mr. Sackett, I had some acquaintance with. Skene Douglass Sackett was born in Milford, New Haven county, Connecticut; was a soldier of the Revolution, in the Connecticut line. He married Hannah Saxton, a native of that portion of the ancient town of Waterbury, now called Middlebury, the same county. They removed from Connecticut to the Whitestown country, as it was then called, in 1798 or 1799, where he rented a farm, on the Page 196 reservation of the Brothtown Indians in Oneida county, New York. In 1803, as Mr. Leonard says, Mr. Sackett's family came to Painesville, where they lived for two or three years. They lived in Windsor for many years, but they have passed away with those who were comtemporary with them. The hardshops and privations endured by the pioneers of that day seem almost incredible, but still in the mouth of many witnesses the truth is fixed. Mrs. Sackett was one of twenty children, whose remains are resting in Connecticut, in New York, and Ohio. Mr. Sackett was pensioneer, and lived to an advanced age. Mr. and Mrs. Sackett had four children, viz: Polly, who married A. Crendall, her second husband, Luman Frisbie; Garry, Chauncey, and Horace. I have known but little of the family for the last forty years. I have been recently informed that Chauncey Sackett is dead. [End of the Sackett account]...--------Ohio County and Family Histories, 1780-1970Trumbull, Mahoning Counties, V! olume I, General History; page 84A general military election was held May 7, 1804, at which the following officers were chosen for the first and second regiments of the fourth dividion of Trumbull county, whaich at that time included the whole Western Reserve.First RegimentCommissioned OfficersCaptain Nathaniel King.Captain George W. Hawley.Captain Martin Smith.Captain Solomon Griswold.Captain James A. Harper.Captain Charles Parker.Captain Josiah Cleveland.Captain Lorenco Carter.Lieutenant Seth Harrington.Lieutenant Stephen Brown.Lieutenant David Randall.Lieutenant Thomas Martin.Lieutenant Ebenexer Hewens.Lieutenant Joel Paine.Lieutenant Jedediah Baird.Lieutenant Nathaniel Drane.Ensign Daniel Sawtell.Ensign John Henderson.Ensign Zopher CAse.Ensign Skene Sackett.Ensign George Caldwell.Ensign Ela S. Clapp.Ensign Lyman Trenton.Ensign Samuel Jones.----Roll of Pensioners in Ashtabula Co., OH; 1840WindsorSkene D. Sackett, age 76; in household of Jonathan Wilder.----Skene D. Sacket! t:Marriage Index: Selected Counties of Ohio, 1789-1850Married: June 27, 1832 in: Ashtabula Co., OH Spouse: Dorathy, LorillaGender: M More: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT, Film # 0890264.========= end ========= I also have an abstraction of his pension file which indicates that his widow, Lorilla filed for a Bounty Land Warrant in April, 1855 from Ashtabula Co., OH.-- ThurmonAccurate Information Is Our Goal. __________________________________________________________________McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network.Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today!http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now!http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

I've come up with a source for Richard Sackett's marriage to Margery Sleade: From The New York Historical Society Collections, this 1892 volume features abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogates Office, City of New York, from 1665 to 1707. Bibliographic Information: Abstracts of Wills Vol I 1665-1707, The New York Historical Society, 1892. Page 294.--Marriage license granted to RICHARD SACKETT and MARGERY SLEADE, May 11, 1699. [NOTE.--Richard Sackett owned a tract of land on the north side of Cherry street, east of Pearl street, and from him the street derived its original name of "Sackett's street."--W. S. P.] -------------- I also found something for Stephen Crego, ships master: From The New York Historical Society Collections, this 1892 volume features abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogates Office, City of New York, from 1665 to 1707. Bibliographic Information: Abstracts of Wills Vol I 1665-1707, The New York Historical Society, 1892. Page 317.-- Court of Admiralty held on Thursday, October 11, 1683, to determine the case between Jacob and Isaac Melyn and Stephen Crego. The complaint is for 22 pounds, 5 ounces of plate, their share on board the sloop Pemaquid, of which said Crego was master, in a late voyage to the Spannish wreck lying near the Bahama Islands. The answer is that they came on board for a passage to New York and never were a part of his company, and denies that he is the detainer of the said plate. Judgment of this Court, is that the defendant pay to the plaintiffs four pounds of plate, and costs of Court. ----------- Keep digging, Thurmon

Sent the jpeg of the page to Thurmon but Ancestry.com has "Index to New York Wills 1626-1836" which lists John Sackett, Josiah Crego Sackett, Marjery Sackett and Richard Sackett all with number 1501. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Sackett [mailto:chris@sackett.org.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:38 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SACKETT-L] Josiah Crego Sackett/Josias Crego Thurmon, Blanche, I had previously assumed that Weygant's "1650" for the marriage of Josiah Crego Sackett to Miss Douglass was a typo for "1750" in which case the birthdate of 1765 for fifth child Skene Douglas Sackett made sense. Now if we are saying that Eleanor was born c1734/35 closely followed by Prime c1736 and Prince c1738, then we have mor than a 30-year gap between marriage and birth of the last child. Possible but unlikely? This would certainly put paid to the theory that Josiah Crego Sackett was the same as the Josiah Crego b. 1683 as he would then have been 82 at the birth of son Skene Douglas Sackett. This whole Josiah Crego saga is beginning to look very dodgy! :-) Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Thurmon King [mailto:thurmonking@netscape.net] > > Blanche: > > On the birth year for Skene D. Sackett; I believe Weygant is right: > Year: 1850; State: OH; County: Ashtabula; Township: Windsor > Roll: M432_659 Page: 486 > 1632/1686 > Sackett, Skene D. 85 m farmer CT [W #729] > [Sackett], Lovilla 64 f CT > Griffin, Rensalaer C. 23 m laborer OH > > ----- > Thurmon > > Harry McKay <bhmckay5743@juno.com> wrote: > > >Chris and Thurman, > > > <CLIPPED> > > > >By the way, some of the websites I pulled up on Josiah Crego Sackett have > >that he married Eleanor (Nelly) Douglas. But, I have not come up with > >any that had solid proof on that. Their children, according to the > >websites, were (1) Eleanor (Nelly) Sackett b. ca 1734/35; Prime Sackett, > >b. ca 1736; Prince Sackett b. ca 1738 and Skeene Douglas Sackett b. ca > >1740. Weygant's book has Josiah Crego Sackett marrying in 1650 which is > >obviously a mistake. Then, he has Skeene's birth as 1765. I don't have > >a clue who is correct on that one. > > > <CLIPPED > > > >Thanks for the input! > > > >Blanche McKay ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set your email software to text only before posting a message to the list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237