If only I had this post yesterday! I was at the townhall in Clinton doing some work on vital records for the NGS Genealogy course and was pouring over those very records. I noted that the Kelseys have taken up several pages in the early records. They were early settlers in Killingworth, CT. Clinton seperated from Killingworth but the records are mixed. The Hull Genealogies you mention are held by the Clinton Historical Society, as are several of the early family genealogies. Clinton is located on long Island Sound, appx. 20 miles east of New Haven. Killingworth abuts on the north, while Kent , CT abuts the eastern NY border in what I believe is Dutchess County. Out of habit I did look under "S" for SACKETT but saw none. If they don't throw me from the clerks office, I'll go back today and have a look. Tom Smith > Chris, > > Per your message of 17 Nov., I went back and checked the websites on > Nelly Sackett. None of them seem to give a reliable source for the > dates for Nelly, and it looks like several of them have probably copied > what others had. I have written to a few to see if I can get any more > information. One lady I did hear from said she relied heavily on the > Hull family website, as her great-grandmother who was a Hull married a > Sackett. I have not looked at that site. > > On one I found last night, it does not give Nelly's birth year, but it > says she married Simeon Kelsey, who was baptized 26 Feb.1730 in > Killingworth, CT., on 22 Aug.1754 in Kent, CT. I could not find > Killingworth in my atlas, but Kent is very near the New York line on the > eastern side. So, if Simeon was born in 1730, the 1734/35 date for Nelly > would seem right. She would have been about 20 years old at their > marriage. This site gives the children of Nelly and Simeon as Heth > Kelsey born ca 1754 in Kent, CT., and Elijah Kelsey born ca 1759. No > further information on them. > > On the will of Richard Sackett, when we were in Poughkeepsie some years > ago, we checked at the courthouse thinking we could see Richard's will. > It was listed in the will book but could not be found by the clerk. > Perhaps it had been transferred to Albany or New York, but it should have > so stated in the records. > > To add to the confusion about Josiah Crego Sackett, one website had > Richard and Margery Sackett having a son, Josiah Crego Sackett born ca > 1709, and another Josiah Crego Sackett , born ca 1720. I'm writing to > the site to see how that came about. Hope they answer! > > All for now, > Blanche McKay > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > If you haven't already, please send in your introduction to the list. > For examples, visit http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear All, According to Weygant p57, 75 Capt Richard Sackett settled his family in Dutchess County in 1711. The 1714 Dutchess County Census at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nydutche/1714cen.htm shows no entry for Sackett. Weygant does go on to report the remoteness of Sackett's homestead. Maybe the census taker didn't find him out in the backwoods! :-) Best.. Chris

Tom: Here is what I have for Simeon Kelsey: From LDS site; Husband's Name: Simeon KELSEY (AFN:92S8-WN) Pedigree Born: 26 Feb 1730 Place: Killingworth, Middlesex, Connecticut Married: 22 Aug 1754 Place: Kent, Litchfield, Connecticut Father: Matthias KELSEY (AFN:92S8-4P) Family Mother: Abigail KIRKUM (AFN:92S8-TB) Wife's Name: Nelly SACKETT (AFN:92TB-RC) Pedigree Born: Abt 1753 Place: Dover, Dutchess, New York Married: 22 Aug 1754 Place: Kent, Litchfield, Connecticut Father: ; Mother: Children 1. Sex Name M Heth KELSEY (AFN:92TB-SJ) Pedigree Born: Abt 1756 Place: Kent, Litchfield, Connecticut 2. Sex Name M Elijah KELSEY (AFN:92TB-TP) Pedigree Born: Abt 1759 Place: of Bellona, Yates, New York Died: 1809 Place: -------- From searchs of CT vital records through USGenWeb: Kent CT Marriages as found in Early Connecticut Marriages by Frederick Bailey 1741 to 1757 Reuben Sackctt & Mercy Finney of East Greenwich in Kent, Dec. 21, 1752 Simeon Kelsey & Nelly Sackett of Dover, N. Y., Aug. 22, 1754 --------- From Wendy Sacket: There does appear to be a whole line descended from Nelly Sackett of Dover, New York, who married Simeon Kelsey 22 AUG 1754 in Kent, Litchfield County, Connecticut (found in _Early Connecticut Marriages: Fifth Book Kent Milford_ posted on Ancestry.com). Since Nelly's purported sons Heth (b. 1756) and Elijah (b.1759) are older than Skene himself, it seems unlikely that she could be Skene's sister. Her connection to Dover, however, does suggest a likely link to Captain Richard's line. ---------- Re: Searching for Sackett-Frisbie Connection Posted by: Cynthia Simmons (ID *****2401) Date: January 18, 2003 at 09:10:29 In Reply to: Searching for Sackett-Frisbie Connection by R.J. Message: 549 of 549 I have just found (thanks to the Dutchess County Historical Society) that Nelly Sackett (b. 1832) is most likely the Eleanor Kelsey, wife of Simeon Kelsey (b.1830). In the Spencer's Corners burial grounds, there is a Mrs. Eleanor, wife of Mr. Simeon 'Kellsy'(Kelsey); died 1793, age 61. Simeon Kelsey (d. 25 Nov 1811) is also buried there, as is his second wife (called 'consort'), Rhumah (?)Kelsey. Any thoughts that is Eleanor is Nelly? Re: Searching for Sackett-Frisbie Connection Posted by: Cynthia Simmons (ID *****2401) Date: November 06, 2003 at 16:24:44 In Reply to: Re: Searching for Sackett-Frisbie Connection by Thurmon King 594 of 595 Can I assume this 'Elenor Sackett' buried with Simeon Kelsey in Spencer Burial grounds is 'Nelly'? According to the tombstones, "Kellsy, Mrs. Elenor, wife of Mr. Simeon, d.____1, 1793, ae, 61". My source is "Burying Grounds of Sharon, Connecticut, Amenia and North East, New York", 'being an abstract of inscriptions from thirty places of burial in the above named towns'. Walsh, Griffen & Hoysradt, Printers, Armenia, NY, 1903. My ancestor is from Simeon Kelsey's second marriage to Ruhamah ??? Kelsey; she is buried in the same plot. It seems to me that 'Elenor' is indeed the 'Nelly' cited in various Kelsey literature; what do you think? Thanks... Cynthia ================= Searches of WorldConnect databases gives conflicting information for the birthplaces of the presumed children of Simeon Kelsey and Nelly Sackett. Thurmon On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:29:13 +0000 tsmith26@comcast.net writes: > > If only I had this post yesterday! I was at the townhall in Clinton > doing some work on vital records for the NGS Genealogy course and > was pouring over those very records. I noted that the Kelseys have > taken up several pages in the early records. They were early > settlers in Killingworth, CT. Clinton seperated from Killingworth > but the records are mixed. The Hull Genealogies you mention are held > by the Clinton Historical Society, as are several of the early > family genealogies. > Clinton is located on long Island Sound, appx. 20 miles east of New > Haven. Killingworth abuts on the north, while Kent , CT abuts the > eastern NY border in what I believe is Dutchess County. > Out of habit I did look under "S" for SACKETT but saw none. If they > don't throw me from the clerks office, I'll go back today and have a > look. > Tom Smith > > > Chris, > > > > Per your message of 17 Nov., I went back and checked the websites > on > > Nelly Sackett. None of them seem to give a reliable source for > the > > dates for Nelly, and it looks like several of them have probably > copied > > what others had. I have written to a few to see if I can get any > more > > information. One lady I did hear from said she relied heavily on > the > > Hull family website, as her great-grandmother who was a Hull > married a > > Sackett. I have not looked at that site. > > > > On one I found last night, it does not give Nelly's birth year, > but it > > says she married Simeon Kelsey, who was baptized 26 Feb.1730 in > > Killingworth, CT., on 22 Aug.1754 in Kent, CT. I could not find > > Killingworth in my atlas, but Kent is very near the New York line > on the > > eastern side. So, if Simeon was born in 1730, the 1734/35 date > for Nelly > > would seem right. She would have been about 20 years old at their > > marriage. This site gives the children of Nelly and Simeon as > Heth > > Kelsey born ca 1754 in Kent, CT., and Elijah Kelsey born ca 1759. > No > > further information on them. > > > > On the will of Richard Sackett, when we were in Poughkeepsie some > years > > ago, we checked at the courthouse thinking we could see Richard's > will. > > It was listed in the will book but could not be found by the > clerk. > > Perhaps it had been transferred to Albany or New York, but it > should have > > so stated in the records. > > > > To add to the confusion about Josiah Crego Sackett, one website > had > > Richard and Margery Sackett having a son, Josiah Crego Sackett > born ca > > 1709, and another Josiah Crego Sackett , born ca 1720. I'm > writing to > > the site to see how that came about. Hope they answer! > > > > All for now, > > Blanche McKay

Thurmon, There is still a lot to learn about the movements of these folks. We know generally know there whereabouts but they did do some bouncing around. When is the drinking season? I would have thought in the fall when hard cider would have been available but then Sept. was when they were in court so there goes that idea. Could be the meaning of unseasonable was something different then we understand now. Tom Tom: > > This account seems to support a suspicion I've had concerning Simon, jr > and John Sackett. They migrated from Hartford to Springfield which was > founded as a trading post rather than being founded based upon religious > convictions. And from the Pynchon Papers I got the impression that John > had a tendency to "skirt the law" a wee bit ... Like illegal trading with > the Indians and selling liquor to them. > > But it does appear that Simon was the only one of the four who took care > of his own fine. > > BTW: My wife wonders what was considered as a "seasonable" time for > drinking? > > Thurmon > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:39:25 -0500 "Tom Smith" <tsmith26@comcast.net> > writes: > > Under the category of "some things never change," found in the above > > mentioned court records; > > Published by the Ct Historical Society and the Society of Colonial > > Wars in the State of Connecticut, Hartford 1928, > > A particuler Courte in Hartford the 7th of Sept: 1652, pg 36 > > > > "Symon Sackutt John Masters Abigaill Marven Sarah Spenser for theire > > missdeamenors in keeping Company, drinking excessiuely and > > vnseasonably are fyned 40s a peece > > And they are to pay or secure theire fynes within a fortnight, or > > such as faile are to suffer Imprisonment: > > William Waller vndertakes to pay his Sisters fyne > > Thomas Spenser vndertakes the payment of Sarah Spensers fyne. > > Symon Sackutt Byndeth his heifer for the securing of his fyne. > > Edward Stebbing vndertakes for John Masters his fyne. > > Thomas Seamer is to pay the penalty of the order for drinking > > excessiuely and vnseasonably: wch is for excessiue drinking 3s 4p, > > and for drinking vuseasonably 5s 0. > > Thus far the fynes are dd in to the Marshall" > > > > Also found in the same record on pg 116: > > > > " A perticuler Court June 3rd: 58 > > > > William Blumfield is released from his recognisanc to ye Countrey > > for his son Daniels peaceable behaviour" > > > > Note: The Particular Court was a tribunal for the settlement of > > differences and the establishment of just rights between particular > > persons, and operated in Hartford between 1638 and 1664. It was > > distinct from the General Court. > > > > Tom Smith > > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > > RootsWeb WorldConnect Project and is located at: > > <http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/press/worldconnect.html>. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set your > email software to text only before posting a message to the list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> -----Original Message----- > From: tsmith26@comcast.net [mailto:tsmith26@comcast.net] > Sent: 18 November 2003 12:13 > ---------snip-------- > I don't recall seeing any other mention of > the Sacketts in Hartford before this, just Newtown and Springfield, MA. > Tom Tom, I think this is right in the sense that this is the only documentary evidence of Simon Jr in Hartford. He would of course have accompanied his mother to Hartford from Newtown in Jun 1636 when he was only about 6 years old. He is now firmly placed in Hartford in 1652 & according to Weygant this is also about the year he got married in Springfield. I have not seen the 1653 records reported by W. re land grants in Springfield nor the purchase from Brooks. Has anyone seen these records? W. dates the Oath of Fidelity at Springfield as 13 Mar 1653. This should be 23 Mar 1656 (Pynchon Court Record, p217 "March 23rd 1655/56 being a Trayning day these underwritten took the oath of fidelity [23 names including Symon Sackett and John Sackett]). Regards, Chris

Chris, Per your message of 17 Nov., I went back and checked the websites on Nelly Sackett. None of them seem to give a reliable source for the dates for Nelly, and it looks like several of them have probably copied what others had. I have written to a few to see if I can get any more information. One lady I did hear from said she relied heavily on the Hull family website, as her great-grandmother who was a Hull married a Sackett. I have not looked at that site. On one I found last night, it does not give Nelly's birth year, but it says she married Simeon Kelsey, who was baptized 26 Feb.1730 in Killingworth, CT., on 22 Aug.1754 in Kent, CT. I could not find Killingworth in my atlas, but Kent is very near the New York line on the eastern side. So, if Simeon was born in 1730, the 1734/35 date for Nelly would seem right. She would have been about 20 years old at their marriage. This site gives the children of Nelly and Simeon as Heth Kelsey born ca 1754 in Kent, CT., and Elijah Kelsey born ca 1759. No further information on them. On the will of Richard Sackett, when we were in Poughkeepsie some years ago, we checked at the courthouse thinking we could see Richard's will. It was listed in the will book but could not be found by the clerk. Perhaps it had been transferred to Albany or New York, but it should have so stated in the records. To add to the confusion about Josiah Crego Sackett, one website had Richard and Margery Sackett having a son, Josiah Crego Sackett born ca 1709, and another Josiah Crego Sackett , born ca 1720. I'm writing to the site to see how that came about. Hope they answer! All for now, Blanche McKay

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SACKETT Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/222.1 Message Board Post: Teri: It is good to see your post. There are several of the members of the SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com who have been working on the family of Orlin Sackett for several months. >From a brief review of the material you posted I believe we can all benefit from exchanging some information. You have some information and support material that we do not have, like headstone pictures, while we have copies of several MN death certificates that show that Orlin and Ann Elizabeth Hanscom were married before 1869. I'm sure that some of the descendants of Orlin will contact you as a result of your post. I invite you to join the SACKETT-L where we can exchange information faster and easier than we can through this message board. Just send a message to sackett-l-request@rootsweb.com and type: SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and leave the message blank. You are also invited to join The Sackett Family Association [TSFA]. Membership is free. Send a message to Chris Sackett <chris@sackett.org.uk> Regards, Thurmon King TSFA Historian http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~teking/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sackett-Lyon Sackett-Walker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ChEBAIB/222 Message Board Post: I am Teri (Bell) Stanek, daughter LAVONNE SACKETT & Fred Bell, daughter of MARK ALVIN SACKETT & Nellie (Walker), son of EDWARD LEROY SACKETT & Clara Rosell (Skinner), son of ORLIN LEON SACKETT & 2nd wife Anne Elizabeth (Hanscom). I have pictures of Orlin, Anne, Edward, Mina, Ella, Elton and Emma (their spouses and children) with my Grandfather’s (Mark Sackett) written notes on the back of each one identifying them. I have his oral story written down. I have personally been to and photographed the headstones in Fairview Cemetery in Naples, NY of Lucinda (she is buried with her parents, Daniel and Sarah (Stevens) Johnson and her brother, Jeremiah. Also, the headstone of Sabrina Sackett, wife of Zelotus (War of 1812). In the Naples Library I found the genealogy of the Lyon family and found the following: The Lyon Family Tree states that Mahala had several children. "I have the names of four, William, Orlin, Hortense and Mahala Sackett. I have been to and photographed(1st in 1980 with Mark Sackett & this year in June) the headstones in the Nashville Township, (Martin County) Truman, MN. These include: the Sackett Plot Marker, Orlin, Anne Elizabeth, Edward & Clara & Mary (Edward 2nd wife) , Ella (Sackett-Conklin) Whissemore, Oscar O. Conklin, Elton Sackett, Emma (Sackett) Doolittle, Clyde Doolittle, Elsie & Elmer, Eunice & Willie F., Clarence (Dutch) & Carrie, Myrtle (Sackett) Jurgenson and Bernie Sackett. I have read and documented Anne E. (Hanscom) death cert.- Martin County: Book A, Page 19, Line 8: Annie E. Sackett 1/23/1890 age 53, 26 days Born: Nashville Died of Cancer Parents: Charles and Charlette Hauscom (I have questions as to where she was born – Maine or Minnesota?) I have been to and photographed the headstones in the Concord, Dodge, MN Cemetery, George S. Sackett and Phoebe Sackett. I have the family tree from George S. Sackett’s grandson, Bob Sackett (lives in Arizona). Descendants of FATHER SACKETT Generation No. 1 NOTES & QUESTIONS: 1. Fairview Cemetery in Naples, NY has a Sabrina Sackett, wife of Zelotus died Feb 15, 1848 aged 48. Although I could not find a headstone, the library has the DAR cemetery listing showing “Zelotus War of 1812”. In 1850, Zelotus was living 2 houses away from Orlin with Orlin’s mother-in-law, Sarah Johnston. (see below*) in New York so I assume he is buried there. Sooo, if his wife was Sabrina, was she his second wife and Mahala his first? I cannot find any death info on her or where she is buried. I cannot believe she is not buried somewhere in the Naples, NY area. 2. Who were Zelotus’ parents? 3. I do not think that Orlin ever married a “Mandy Dans” as her name is never listed in anywhere except referred to by other sources. I have never seen her name in any census and I have seen them all. I feel almost 100% that Orlin’s second set of children were from Ann Elizabeth Hanscom. 4. I have info on Simon & Elizabeth , Reuben (1880 Fed Census, Waseca, Village of Janesville, MN) but do not know how they are related to Orlin. They live close to each other and bought land together. 5. I have info on William & Elizabeth Sackett who live next door to Simon and Orlin in the 1860 Census in Goodhue, Roscoe, MN and do not know how he is related to Orlin. 6. There are Lyman, John, George, Charles, John C.A., Ole, etc. in the 1860-70 census in Minnesota but do not know how they are related to Orlin. 1. FATHER1 SACKETT was born Abt. 1788. He married Mahala (Lyon) Sackett, daughter of Alanson Lyon and Susannah Lyon. She was born 1803 in Bennington, Vermont. Notes for Mahala (Lyon) Sackett: The Lyon Family Tree states that Mahala married ???? Sackett and they had several children. "I have the names of four, William, ORLIN, Hortense and Mahala Sackett. Children of FATHER SACKETT and Mahala Sackett are: + 2 i. Orlin (Orland) Leon2 Sackett, born Bet. 1824 - 1825 in New York State; died December 13, 1905 in Viking, Minnesota. 3 ii. William MAHALA Sackett. 4 iii. Mahalia Sackett, born 1822. 5 iv. Hortense Sackett, born January 23, 1822. Generation No. 2 2. Orlin (Orland) Leon2 Sackett (FATHER1 SACKETT (Source: (1) 1850 Federal Census, NEW YORK, Naples, Roll M432_571/Page 22/Image 46, 248/251 Orlan-Orlen Sackett-age 26 M Laborer Lucinda Sackett- age 22 F Lucy Sackett-age 4 F George Sackett-age 1 month M Betsy Lyon-age 16 (think she was daughter of Hiram Lyon, Alanson’s brother) F247/250 Edwin J. Wisewelle (next door neighbor) 245/247 Sarah Johnson 57 F Jeremiah Johnson 26 M-Laborer Huldah Johnson 15 F *Lotas Sackett 62 M Carpenter., (2) 1855 State Census NEW YORK, Ontario, Naples, 183/Edwin Wisewill and family 184/Orlin Sackett age 29 M Farmer Lucinda Sackett age 27 F Wife Lucy M Sackett age 8 F Child George Sackett age 6 M Child Sarah Sackett 2 F Child1 85/Sarah Johnson 61 F (born New Hampsire-resides in Ontario 47 years) LIVES IN THE SAME HOUSE WITH ORLIN., (3) 1860 Federal Census MINNESOTA Goodhue Cty, Roscoe, Roll 570, Page 684, Series M653 (Page 118), Alden Sackett, age 32, b. NY (Orlin misspelled by census taker) George, age 11 b. NY Sarah, age 8, b. NY Lucy is living in the Edwin J. Wisewell home in Naples, NY., (4) 1870 Federal Census Goodhue, Roscoe, Minnesota, Series T132 Roll 12 Paeg 477, Orlin Sacket, age 46, Farmer, b. NY (owned 70 acres, 5 horses, 2 milk cows) Ann E., age 32, b. Maine George S., age 20, b. NY Edward L., age 8, b. MN Emrmina B., age 6, b. MN Elin, age 1, b. MN Elton, age 1, b. MN Sarah Sackett, age 17 F b. NY (a domestic servant in another household)., (5) 1880 Federal Census, Goodhue, Roscoe, Minnesota, Part 1, FHLF 1254621,T9-0621, Page 411D, Orlin Sackett, age 55, Farmer, b. NY Ann Sackett, age 41, Wife, b. Maine Edward Sackett, age 18, son, Assists on farm b Minnesota Mina Sackett, age 15, daughter, b. Minnesota Ella Sackett, age 11, daughter, b. Minnesota Elton Sackett, age 11, son, b. Minnesota Emma Sackett, age 3, daughter, b. Minnesota,.) was born Bet. 1824 - 1825 in New York State, and died December 13, 1905 in Viking, Minnesota. He met (1) Lucinda (Johnson) Sackett Abt. 1840, daughter of Daniel Johnson and Sarah (Stevens) Johnson. She was born December 17, 1828 in New York, and died October 23, 1856 in Naples, Ontario County NY. He married (2) Ann Elizabeth (Hanscom) Sackett Bet. 1870 - 1880, daughter of Charles Hauscom and Charlette Hauscom. She was born 1837 in Maine. Notes for Orlin (Orland) Leon Sackett: Came to Zumbrota, MN from Concord, New York State by covered wagon. Mark Sackett thinks Orlin was married to another woman before he married Elizabeth. He moved from Zumbrota to Winnebago (Nashville Township) and then Ed and the boys moved to Viking (Marshall County) Minnesota because he wanted a bigger farm. I think he lived in New York State and Pennsylvania. He would haul his wheat by oxen to Red Wing-they put it on barges down the Mississippi. More About Orlin (Orland) Leon Sackett: Burial: Nashville (Sackett Plot) Cemetery in Truman, Martin County between Winnebago and Amboy, MN. (I have pictures of the headstones)r Census: 1855, Orlin age 29 b. Ontario, NY, Lucinda age 27 b. Ontario, Lucy M. age 8 b. Ontario, George age 5 b. Ontario, Sarah age 2 b. Ontario Census (State): 1850, Naples, Ontario County, NY-next door neighbors were the Edwin J. Wisewell family where Lucy Sackett resided after Lucinda's death. Property: December 21, 1870, This Indenture between Orlin Sackett and Anna E. Sackett, his wife of the county of Goodhue, Minnesota... Notes for Lucinda (Johnson) Sackett: HEADSTONE IN FAIRVIEW CEMETERY, NAPLES, ONTARIO, N.Y. SACKETT, LUCINDA, WIFE OF ORLIN SACKETT DIED, OCT 23, 1856 AGED 29 YRS 10 MOS 6 DAYS SHE IS BURIED WITH HER MOTHER, SARAH ON HER LEFT, HER BROTHER, JEREMIAH ON HER RIGHT AND HER FATHER, DANIEL TO THE RIGHT OF HER BROTHER. (I have pictures of headstones) Notes for Ann Elizabeth (Hanscom) Sackett: Martin County: Book A, Page 19, Line 8: Annie E. Sackett 1/23/1890 age 53, 26 days Born: Nashville Died of Cancer Parents: Charles and Charlette Hauscom More About Ann Elizabeth (Hanscom) Sackett: Burial: Nashville (Sackett Plot) Cemetery in Truman, Martin County, MN. Death Record: January 23, 1890, Martin County: Book A, Page 19, Line 8: Annie E. Sackett 1/23/1890 age 53, 26 days Born: Nashville Died of Cancer Parents: Charles and Charlette Hauscom (Source: Death Records, Martin County, Book A, Page 19, Line 8, Annie E. Sackett 1/23/1890 age 53, 26 days Born: Nashville Died of Cancer Parents: Charles and Charlette Hauscom.) Children of Orlin Sackett and Lucinda Sackett are: + 6 i. Lucy M. (Sackett)3 Briggs, born February 08, 1845 in Naples, Ontario, NY; died February 06, 1885 in Naples, NY. 7 ii. Sarah Sackett, born Aft. 1849. She married John Drews. More About Sarah Sackett: Residence: Pine Island, MN then Yakima Valley, WA 8 iii. Helen Sackett. She married Swartz. (I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS IS AS SHE IS NEVER MENTIONED IN ANY CENSUS RECORDS-HER NAME CAME TO ME FROM GEORGE SACKETT IN ARIZONIA) More About Helen Sackett: Residence: Pine Island, MN then Yakima Valley, WA 9 iv. George Sackett, born October 18, 1850 in Naples, Ontario County NY; died January 01, 1926. He married Phoebe (Potter) Sackett in Roscoe, MN; born December 1861; died June 13, 1944. Notes for George Sackett: Came to Minnesota in 1855 as a young boy with his father, Orlin(who was widowed) More About George Sackett: Residence: West Concord, MN Children of Orlin Sackett and Ann Sackett are: + 10 i. Edward S. (LeRoy?)3 Sackett, born October 28, 1861 in near West Concord, Peddler's Grove, MN; died October 02, 1942 in Viking, Marshall County, MN. + 11 ii. Mina (Sackett) Scofield, born 1865 in Minnesota. + 12 iii. Ella (Sackett) (twin)Conklin, born 1868 in Minnesota. + 13 iv. Elton Orlin Sackett(twin), born June 08, 1868 in Minnesota; died July 23, 1913 in Martin County. + 14 v. Emma A. (Sackett) Doolittle, born 1871. Generation No. 3 6. Lucy M. (Sackett)3 Briggs (Orlin (Orland) Leon2 Sackett, FATHER1 SACKETT) was born February 08, 1845 in Naples, Ontario, NY, and died February 06, 1885 in Naples, NY. She met Charles T. Briggs Bet. July 1861 - 1864. He was born 1840, and died 1912 in Naples, NY. Notes for Lucy M. (Sackett) Briggs: Neapolitan Record 2-11-1885 Died, at Garlinghouse, Feb. 6, 1885. Mrs. Chas. T. Briggs, aged 40 years. Early Thursday morning last our community was startled by the sad intelligence that Mrs. Charles T. Briggs was dead. It seemed almost incredible that one who only a few hours before, in the prime of life, enjoying her usual good health, and administering to the wants of her family and sick neighbors, should be so suddenly called away from earth. Lucy Sackett was born Feb. 8th 1845 and died at her home in Naples, N.Y., Feb. 6th 1885. She was married to Charles T. Briggs in July 1861. Her early childhood, and until her marriage, was spent in the family of Edwin Wisewell; since then she has resided near or in this immediate vicinity. She has ever been noted as a good neighbor, a fond, loving companion, and a kind affectionate mother. Eleven children have been given to bless their home of whom nine are left to mourn their loss and to battle on with a cold unfeeling world without a mother's love and a Moth! er's care. The youngest child was one day old when the mother died. Her funeral was attended from the Garlinghouse schoolhouse Feb. 7th 1885. Rev. S. Wright officiating, who made some very appropriate remarks from Matt.14-12 "The Disciples came and took up the body and buried it, and went and told Jesus." An unusually large concourse of people came to sympathize with the bereaved family and to drop a tear of affection over the remains of one whom they had learned to love and respect. Her remains was interred in the cemetery at Garlinghouse. Com. More About Lucy M. (Sackett) Briggs: Burial: Rose Ridge Garlingtonhouse Cemetery Census: 1860, Lucy, age 14, resided with the family of Edwin Wisewell Children: Eleven Residence: Stayed with her Grandmother Stevens in NY More About Charles T. Briggs: Burial: Rose Ridge Garlingtonhouse Cemetery Children of Lucy Briggs and Charles Briggs are: 15 i. Hattie4 Briggs. 16 ii. Isadore Briggs. 17 iii. Libbie Briggs. 18 iv. Mina Briggs. 19 v. Frank Briggs. 20 vi. Edwin Briggs. 21 vii. Cyrus Briggs. 22 viii. Cora Briggs. 23 ix. Ollie Briggs. 24 x. Baby Briggs. 25 xi. Baby Briggs, born February 05, 1885. 10. Edward S. (LeRoy?)3 Sackett (Orlin (Orland) Leon2, FATHER1 SACKETT) (Source: 1910 MINNESOTA STATE CENSUS Martin, Nashville Township, State Census, Series T624, Roll: 710, Page 152, Edward L. Sackett, age 48, b. Minnesota Mary E., age 47 Alton E., age 17, b. Minnesota Mark A., age 14, b. Minnesota Elihue E.age 17, hired hand in Winfield S. Smith house (state census, Series T624, Roll: 703, Page 102 Elmer C., age 27, b. Minnesota Mabel C.Elmer O., age 21, b. Minnesota, hired hand in Louis J. Hinton house Elton, age 41, b. Minnesota, boarder in George Lovell house (birthplace of Father-NY, Mother-Maine) Edward was born October 28, 1861 in near West Concord, Peddler's Grove, MN, and died October 02, 1942 in Viking, Marshall County, MN. He met (1) Clara Rosell (Rosa) Skinner Sackett March 03, 1889 in Winnebago City, Minnesota, daughter of Dana Skinner and Anna Skinner. She was born February 28, 1872 in Peddler's Grove, MN, and died March 17, 1904 in Age 32. He married (2) Mary Elizabeth (Barber)Combs-Sackett August 06, 1906 in Faribault, Martin, Minnesota. She was born October 14, 1862, and died February 22, 1938. More About Edward S. (LeRoy?) Sackett: Burial: Nashville Cemetary, Truman, Martin Cty, Minnesota Census: 1880, Age 18-Assist on Farm-Head of Household-Orlin Father's Birthplace NY, Mother's Birthplace ME Notes for Clara Rosell (Rosa) Skinner Sackett: Mark Sackett (son) writes on the back of a picture: "This is my Dad and Mother. Mother was married at the age of 17 this picture was taken on or about 1870 Mother passed away March 17-1904. Mark says that Rosa's father abandoned her and she was raised by Lucinda Huffman (no relation). She never adopted her. There is a picture of a half-sister, Pearl Skinner (related to Dane Skinner?) Age 32, died of croupous pneumonia and Bright's disease More About Clara Rosell (Rosa) Skinner Sackett: Burial: Nashville Cemetery, Martin Cty Marriage Notes for Edward Sackett and Clara Sackett: State of Minnesota, County of Faribault 3-3-1889 at Winnebago City witnessed by Osker O Conklin and Ella Sackett Notes for Mary Elizabeth (Barber)Combs- Sackett: Post Card to: Mrs E. L. Sackett, Viking Minnesota U.S. - Feb 21st 1913 - We are all wite will write soon Annie ?Minnie? Mrs. Mary Sackett, Viking, Minn, 12-29-1916 - Dear Sister & Brother. is it cold up there It has been here but has warmed up a little now. hope you are all well happy new year Ell & Oscar Mr. E L Sackett, Viking, Minn, Feb 11th 1919 - Dear Edd if nothing hapen I will start leave for home Thursday morning there was a high wind yesterday it is nice & warm & calm to day Ella came here Saturday on the four O clock from Fairmont & staid till Monday morning. Intend starting back Thursday morning Mary Marriage Notes for Edward Sackett and Mary Sackett: Married by a clergyman of The Methodist Espiscopal Church and witnessed by Mrs. Ella Sackett Conklin and Oscar Orrin Conklin Children of Edward Sackett and Clara Sackett are: + 26 i. Mark Alvin4 Sackett, born September 02, 1895 in Winnebago, Minnesota Martin County; died July 07, 1984 in Mason City, Iowa. + 27 ii. Alton (Elton) Edward Sackett, born October 12, 1892; died January 06, 1972. Child of Edward Sackett and Mary Sackett is: 28 i. Dora4 Reasoner. 11. Mina (Sackett)3 Scofield (Orlin (Orland) Leon2 Sackett, FATHER1 SACKETT) was born 1865 in Minnesota. She married Warren Scofield. Children of Mina Scofield and Warren Scofield are: 29 i. Bernice4 Scofield. 30 ii. Avilda Scofield. 31 iii. Mildred Scofield. 12. Ella (Sackett)3 (twin)Conklin (Orlin (Orland) Leon2 Sackett, FATHER1 SACKETT) was born 1868 in Minnesota. She married Oscar Orrin Conklin. He was born March 26, 1861, and died March 26, 1917. Children of Ella (twin)Conklin and Oscar Conklin are: 32 i. Harry4 Conklin, born February 14, 1891; died May 30, 1967 in Martin County. 33 ii. Maude (Conklin) Pettit, born 1892; died 1942. More About Maude (Conklin) Pettit: Burial: Nashville (Sackett Plot) Cemetery in Truman, Martin County, Minnesota 13. Elton Orlin3 Sackett(twin) (Orlin (Orland) Leon2 Sackett, FATHER1 SACKETT) was born June 08, 1868 in Minnesota, and died July 23, 1913 in Martin County (Source: Death Records, Book D, Page 129, Line 96, Elton Sackett (divorced) born Minnesota 6-8-1868 died 7-23-1913 Age 45 Father: Orlin, NY Mother: Elizabeth Hauscomb (Ohio).). He married Nellie Sofia (Burtch) Sackett-Smith. She was born November 25, 1867 in Minnesota, and died May 1957. Children of Elton Sackett(twin) and Nellie Sackett-Smith are: + 34 i. Elmer Orlin4 Sackett, born May 31, 1888 in Nashville Township, Martin County, Minnesota; died February 16, 1973 in Martin County, MN. 35 ii. Willie (William) Frank Sackett, born 1890; died May 09, 1948 in Fairbault County, Minnesota. He married Eunice A. Sackett; born 1891; died 1958. More About Willie (William) Frank Sackett: Burial: Nashville (Sackett) Cemetery in Martin County between Winnebago and Amboy, MN.Winnebago, Minnesota More About Eunice A. Sackett: Burial: Nashville (Sackett) Cemetery in Martin County between Winnebago and Amboy, MN.Winnebago, Minnesota 36 iii. Elihue Elton Sackett, born December 27, 1892 in Minnesota; died March 13, 1967 in Martin County, Minnesota. He married Amy Sackett. More About Elihue Elton Sackett: Mother's Maiden Name: Birch 37 iv. Clarence J. (Dutch) Sackett, born June 16, 1897 in Minnesota; died August 12, 1955 in Fairbault County, Minnesota. He married Carrie Mabel Sackett; born November 06, 1898; died May 31, 1945 in Hennepin County, Minnesota. More About Clarence J. (Dutch) Sackett: Burial: Nashville (Sackett) Cemetery in Martin County between Winnebago and Amboy, MN.Winnebago, Minnesota More About Carrie Mabel Sackett: Burial: Nashville (Sackett) Cemetery in Martin County between Winnebago and Amboy, MN.Winnebago, Minnesota 14. Emma A. (Sackett)3 Doolittle (Orlin (Orland) Leon2 Sackett, FATHER1 SACKETT) was born 1871. She married Clyde Otto Newton Doolittle March 10, 1896. He was born June 23, 1876 in Magnolia, Rock County, Wisconsin, and died June 15, 1941 in Fairmont, MN. Children of Emma Doolittle and Clyde Doolittle are: 38 i. Milo Orlin4 Doolittle, born May 26, 1899 in Martin County, Minnesota; died September 08, 1933 in Alfred, North Dakota. He married Gertrude Ostrander October 26, 1922. 39 ii. Forest Lee Doolittle, born March 31, 1904 in Blue Earth, Minnesota; died June 30, 1950 in Hubbard or Truman, Minnesota. He married Muriel Joy Sperry. Generation No. 4 26. Mark Alvin4 Sackett (Edward S. (LeRoy?)3, Orlin (Orland) Leon2, FATHER1 SACKETT) was born September 02, 1895 in Winnebago, Minnesota Martin County, and died July 07, 1984 in Mason City, Iowa. He married (1) Nellie Winifred Walker July 29, 1919 in Mason City, Iowa, daughter of Harry Walker and Edith Symes. She was born April 20, 1895 in Portland, Iowa, and died October 03, 1941 in Mason City, Iowa. He met (2) Reba Brown Sackett December 22, 1945 in Clear Lake, Iowa. More About Mark Alvin Sackett: Burial: Elmwood Cemetery 2nd Addition Block 3 West 1/2-Lot 150 Residence: Bet. 1909 - 1912, Mark(age 14-16) moved to the farm in Viking, MN (Marshall County) from Winnebago More About Nellie Winifred Walker: Burial: October 06, 1941, Elmwood Cemetery 2nd Addition Block 3 West 1/2-Lot 150 Marriage Notes for Mark Sackett and Nellie Walker: Nellie was visiting a brother in Viking, MN and met Mark. After the war, Mark went to Mason City, Iowa to marry Nellie and settle there. Child of Mark Sackett and Nellie Walker is: 40 i. LaVonne Winifred5 Sackett, born November 26, 1927 in Mason City, Iowa; died March 08, 1978 in Arlington, Texas. She married Frederick Hugh Bell June 03, 1945 in San Francisco, California; born June 07, 1924 in Dallas, Texas; died July 04, 1982 in Arlington, Texas. 27. Alton (Elton) Edward4 Sackett (Edward S. (LeRoy?)3, Orlin (Orland) Leon2, FATHER1 SACKETT) was born October 12, 1892, and died January 06, 1972. He married Myrtle (Tangquist) Sackett September 26, 1926 in Viking, Minnesota. She was born April 27, 1900, and died March 17, 1994. More About Alton (Elton) Edward Sackett: Burial: Viking Cemetery, Viking, Marshall County, MN More About Myrtle (Tangquist) Sackett: Burial: Viking Cemetery, Viking, Marshall County, MN Children of Alton Sackett and Myrtle Sackett are: 41 i. Lenelle5 Peters, born April 04, 1921. She married Orville Peters October 14, 1939; born January 24, 1911; died November 02, 1996. 42 ii. Roger Sackett, born June 12, 1928. He married Ruth Sackett; born January 07, 1930. 43 iii. Charles Delano Sackett. He married (1) Joanne (Sackett). He married (2) Lorraine (Bagne) Sackett. 34. Elmer Orlin4 Sackett (Elton Orlin3 Sackett(twin), Orlin (Orland) Leon2 Sackett, FATHER1 SACKETT) was born May 31, 1888 in Nashville Township, Martin County, Minnesota, and died February 16, 1973 in Martin County, MN. He married Elsie Adelia (Winch) Sackett August 14, 1912, daughter of James Winch and Cora Haerria. She was born August 11, 1894 in Minnesota, and died May 20, 1966 in Martin County, MN. More About Elmer Orlin Sackett: Burial: Nashville (Sackett) Cemetery in Martin County between Winnebago and Amboy, MN.Winnebago, Minnesota Census: 1930, Nashville Township, Martin Cty, MN Mother's Maiden Name: Birch More About Elsie Adelia (Winch) Sackett: Burial: Nashville (Sackett) Cemetery in Martin County between Winnebago and Amboy, MN.Winnebago, Minnesota Children of Elmer Sackett and Elsie Sackett are: 44 i. Myrtle Cora (Sackett)5 Jurgenson, born January 20, 1913 in Nashville Township, Martin Cty, MN; died August 02, 1993 in Olmstead, Minnesota. She married (1) Reinhold Malo. She married (2) James Alton (Jim) Jurgenson April 06, 1932; born November 17, 1910 in Nashville Township, Martin Cty, MN. 45 ii. Orlin James Sackett, born May 15, 1919 in Minnesota; died February 20, 1976 in Hennepin County, Minnesota. He married Jean Charlotte Sherman June 05, 1938; born March 03, 1921; died March 27, 1994. Notes for Orlin James Sackett: Roger and Ruth Sackett visited Orlin Sackett around 1970 in Attwood (Atwater), MN. Jim Sackett (son of Guy, son of Elmer, son of Elton) thinks that "Uncle" Orlin is buried in Ft. Snelling Cemetary near St. Paul, MN. More About Orlin James Sackett: Burial: February 1976, Fort Snelling Cemetery, St. Paul, Minnesota Mother's Maiden Name: Winch Residence: Arlington, Sibley, MN 55307 46 iii. Guy Elmer Sackett, born May 13, 1924 in Minnesota; died September 15, 1984 in Olmstead, MN. He married (1) Hazel Marie (Robinson) Sackett May 03, 1945. He married (2) Lois (Schmid) Sackett June 15, 1950.

Chris, William Bloomfield was in Middletown 1650-1655, so no conflict there. It looks as if he returned to Hartford or perhaps the family went to Springfield. We know Simon and John were encouraged to stay in Springfield with property, John later settling in nearby Westfield. Your thought about the wedding of Simon and Sarah Bloomfield being around this time and the colonial era bachelor party occured to me as well. I don't recall seeing any other mention of the Sacketts in Hartford before this, just Newtown and Springfield, MA. Tom > Tom, > > Many thanks for sharing these Court reports. Great fun! Simon's "partying" > is interesting because of the date - Sep 1652. According to Weygant, Simon > married Sarah Bloomfield in that year at Springfield. Maybe the party at > Hartford was a "going-away" celebration. It could hardly have been a > stag-party before Simon's nuptials. Not with those other women there! I > wonder what Simon's bride-to-be made of these shenanigans. I bet she gave > him an earful. > > Does the William Bloomfield case in Hartford in 1658 help or hinder your > attempts to keep track of his whereabouts? I recall you had him founding > Middletown in 1654. I think it likely William had some fast horses! > > Best.. > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsmith26@comcast.net] > > Sent: 18 November 2003 02:39 > > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SACKETT-L] Records of the Particular Court of Connecticut, > > 1639-1663 > > > > Under the category of "some things never change," found in the > > above mentioned court records; > > Published by the Ct Historical Society and the Society of > > Colonial Wars in the State of Connecticut, Hartford 1928, > > A particuler Courte in Hartford the 7th of Sept: 1652, pg 36 > > > > "Symon Sackutt John Masters Abigaill Marven Sarah Spenser for > > theire missdeamenors in keeping Company, drinking excessiuely and > > vnseasonably are fyned 40s a peece > > And they are to pay or secure theire fynes within a fortnight, or > > such as faile are to suffer Imprisonment: > > William Waller vndertakes to pay his Sisters fyne > > Thomas Spenser vndertakes the payment of Sarah Spensers fyne. > > Symon Sackutt Byndeth his heifer for the securing of his fyne. > > Edward Stebbing vndertakes for John Masters his fyne. > > Thomas Seamer is to pay the penalty of the order for drinking > > excessiuely and vnseasonably: wch is for excessiue drinking 3s > > 4p, and for drinking vuseasonably 5s 0. > > Thus far the fynes are dd in to the Marshall" > > > > Also found in the same record on pg 116: > > > > " A perticuler Court June 3rd: 58 > > > > William Blumfield is released from his recognisanc to ye Countrey > > for his son Daniels peaceable behaviour" > > > > Note: The Particular Court was a tribunal for the settlement of > > differences and the establishment of just rights between > > particular persons, and operated in Hartford between 1638 and > > 1664. It was distinct from the General Court. > > > > Tom Smith > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > Visit the SACKETT-L Web Page at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Tom, Many thanks for sharing these Court reports. Great fun! Simon's "partying" is interesting because of the date - Sep 1652. According to Weygant, Simon married Sarah Bloomfield in that year at Springfield. Maybe the party at Hartford was a "going-away" celebration. It could hardly have been a stag-party before Simon's nuptials. Not with those other women there! I wonder what Simon's bride-to-be made of these shenanigans. I bet she gave him an earful. Does the William Bloomfield case in Hartford in 1658 help or hinder your attempts to keep track of his whereabouts? I recall you had him founding Middletown in 1654. I think it likely William had some fast horses! Best.. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Smith [mailto:tsmith26@comcast.net] > Sent: 18 November 2003 02:39 > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SACKETT-L] Records of the Particular Court of Connecticut, > 1639-1663 > > Under the category of "some things never change," found in the > above mentioned court records; > Published by the Ct Historical Society and the Society of > Colonial Wars in the State of Connecticut, Hartford 1928, > A particuler Courte in Hartford the 7th of Sept: 1652, pg 36 > > "Symon Sackutt John Masters Abigaill Marven Sarah Spenser for > theire missdeamenors in keeping Company, drinking excessiuely and > vnseasonably are fyned 40s a peece > And they are to pay or secure theire fynes within a fortnight, or > such as faile are to suffer Imprisonment: > William Waller vndertakes to pay his Sisters fyne > Thomas Spenser vndertakes the payment of Sarah Spensers fyne. > Symon Sackutt Byndeth his heifer for the securing of his fyne. > Edward Stebbing vndertakes for John Masters his fyne. > Thomas Seamer is to pay the penalty of the order for drinking > excessiuely and vnseasonably: wch is for excessiue drinking 3s > 4p, and for drinking vuseasonably 5s 0. > Thus far the fynes are dd in to the Marshall" > > Also found in the same record on pg 116: > > " A perticuler Court June 3rd: 58 > > William Blumfield is released from his recognisanc to ye Countrey > for his son Daniels peaceable behaviour" > > Note: The Particular Court was a tribunal for the settlement of > differences and the establishment of just rights between > particular persons, and operated in Hartford between 1638 and > 1664. It was distinct from the General Court. > > Tom Smith

Tom: This account seems to support a suspicion I've had concerning Simon, jr and John Sackett. They migrated from Hartford to Springfield which was founded as a trading post rather than being founded based upon religious convictions. And from the Pynchon Papers I got the impression that John had a tendency to "skirt the law" a wee bit ... Like illegal trading with the Indians and selling liquor to them. But it does appear that Simon was the only one of the four who took care of his own fine. BTW: My wife wonders what was considered as a "seasonable" time for drinking? Thurmon On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:39:25 -0500 "Tom Smith" <tsmith26@comcast.net> writes: > Under the category of "some things never change," found in the above > mentioned court records; > Published by the Ct Historical Society and the Society of Colonial > Wars in the State of Connecticut, Hartford 1928, > A particuler Courte in Hartford the 7th of Sept: 1652, pg 36 > > "Symon Sackutt John Masters Abigaill Marven Sarah Spenser for theire > missdeamenors in keeping Company, drinking excessiuely and > vnseasonably are fyned 40s a peece > And they are to pay or secure theire fynes within a fortnight, or > such as faile are to suffer Imprisonment: > William Waller vndertakes to pay his Sisters fyne > Thomas Spenser vndertakes the payment of Sarah Spensers fyne. > Symon Sackutt Byndeth his heifer for the securing of his fyne. > Edward Stebbing vndertakes for John Masters his fyne. > Thomas Seamer is to pay the penalty of the order for drinking > excessiuely and vnseasonably: wch is for excessiue drinking 3s 4p, > and for drinking vuseasonably 5s 0. > Thus far the fynes are dd in to the Marshall" > > Also found in the same record on pg 116: > > " A perticuler Court June 3rd: 58 > > William Blumfield is released from his recognisanc to ye Countrey > for his son Daniels peaceable behaviour" > > Note: The Particular Court was a tribunal for the settlement of > differences and the establishment of just rights between particular > persons, and operated in Hartford between 1638 and 1664. It was > distinct from the General Court. > > Tom Smith > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb WorldConnect Project and is located at: > <http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/press/worldconnect.html>. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Under the category of "some things never change," found in the above mentioned court records; Published by the Ct Historical Society and the Society of Colonial Wars in the State of Connecticut, Hartford 1928, A particuler Courte in Hartford the 7th of Sept: 1652, pg 36 "Symon Sackutt John Masters Abigaill Marven Sarah Spenser for theire missdeamenors in keeping Company, drinking excessiuely and vnseasonably are fyned 40s a peece And they are to pay or secure theire fynes within a fortnight, or such as faile are to suffer Imprisonment: William Waller vndertakes to pay his Sisters fyne Thomas Spenser vndertakes the payment of Sarah Spensers fyne. Symon Sackutt Byndeth his heifer for the securing of his fyne. Edward Stebbing vndertakes for John Masters his fyne. Thomas Seamer is to pay the penalty of the order for drinking excessiuely and vnseasonably: wch is for excessiue drinking 3s 4p, and for drinking vuseasonably 5s 0. Thus far the fynes are dd in to the Marshall" Also found in the same record on pg 116: " A perticuler Court June 3rd: 58 William Blumfield is released from his recognisanc to ye Countrey for his son Daniels peaceable behaviour" Note: The Particular Court was a tribunal for the settlement of differences and the establishment of just rights between particular persons, and operated in Hartford between 1638 and 1664. It was distinct from the General Court. Tom Smith

Thurmon, While at the NY Public Library on my recent trip I copied the following from the Hotchkiss Genealogy on p183 of vol 2 of Genealogies of Connecticut Families: pub. Genealogical Publishing Co Inc, 1983. "Ruth Hotchkiss (d. of John Hotchkiss & Elizabeth Peck) b. abt. 1688; d. 24 Mar 1773; m. (1) 12 Mar 1718 Jonathan Sackett, b. 6 Jun 1655, d. 4 Feb 1727; m. (2) 11 Dec 1728 Benjamin Dorman, b. 15 Oct 1673, d. 1748." Both of Ruth's marriages are in NHVRs. But it looks as if the Hotchkiss compiler has got 74 Jonathan and his father 18 Jonathan muddled up. The birth date of 6 Jun 1655 relates to 18 Jonathan "the sonn of John Sacket" (NHVR). Weygant has this marriage identified with 74 Jonathan, which I am sure must be right as it would seem unlikely that Ruth aged 30 would be marrying Jonathan aged 63. But I then wonder about the death date for Jonathan of 4 Feb 1727. Would this be for the father aged 72 or the son aged 30-40 something? I have not found this death record in the NHVRs. I am taking it as relating to the son as it fits with Ruth's re-marriage date. Either way Ruth's re-marriage in 1728 takes Jonathan off the scene as far as being a parent of Nelly & co is concerned. Sorry if my previous post caused confusion. I already had the Ruth Hotchkiss - Benjamin Dorman marriage but had not recorded the fact that Jonathan must have died by 1728. Best.. Chris

Chris/Thurmon, While researching NHVR at the New Haven Colony Historical Society a few years back, I saw where some Sacketts inherited parcels of land in surrounding communities, North Haven being one example. There could be some important information awaiting us in there records. I'll inquire about getting a look. TOM > Thurmon and All, > > Jonathan (74) is a bit of a mystery. In addition to the data in Weygant, we > have from New Haven Vital Records another daughter - "Ruth the Daughter of > Jonathan Sackitt was Born the 4th day of March 1718/19." Jonathan's marriage > to Ruth Hotchkiss and birth of daughter Sarah as recorded by Weygant are > both confirmed by NHVRs. > > These events place him in New Haven up to 1721 but he could well have moved > from there after that date. This could be the answer to your question, "And > if they did have 10 children; then why don't we have records for all of > them?" I think I deduced from my recent enquiry that none of us has yet > researched vital records from Dutchess County. > > Jonathan's age may be a problem if we try to link him to 725 Nelly Sackett. > The only clues to his birth date are that we calculate that his brother > Richard was b. c1678 and that Weygant places Jonathan before Richard in > birth order. If Jonathan was b. bef. 1678 this makes him rather old (40+) > for a first marriage to Ruth Hotchkiss in 1717. And he would have been 55+ > by the date of Nelly's birth. So maybe this was a second marriage - and > some of the alleged 10 chdn. were from an earlier marriage. If any of > Jonathan's 10 chdn. were to be candidates for father of Nelly then they > would have to have been from an earlier marriage as, clearly, none of Ruth > Hotchkiss' chdn. could be father of Nelly. However, if there were sons of > the Jonathan-Ruth marriage then certainly these could be candidates for > father of Skene Douglas b 1765. (Maybe Wendy already trod this path and has > more on this Jonathan? Did someone say there was evidence that Skene was a > grandson of Richard, which would rule out Jonathan's line anyway?) > > If we ignore Weygant's birth order (which does not always signify anything) > then the options are open for Jonathan & Ruth to have carried on having > chdn. into the 1730s. > > Best.. > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > > Sent: 17 November 2003 00:33 > > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SACKETT-L] The New Haven branch > > > > Chris and all; > > > > We've been working on the New Haven branch of the Sacketts of America and > > I recently remembered something from Weygant that I've wondered about. > > In his comments for 74-Jonathan Sackett, Jr. and his wife Ruth Hotchkiss; > > Weygant says: "Of their ten children we have been able to record but one, > > a daughter." > > > > The daughter he lists is 259-Sarah Sackett, (b. 9 Aug 1721), m. Lt. > > Elisha Booth. > > > > Now, if there is only a record for one child, then how did Weygant know > > that the couple had 10 children? And if they did have 10 children; then > > why don't we have records for all of them? > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > GEN-NEWBIE-L: No question is too elementary and the atmosphere is relaxed & > friendly. GEN-NEWBIE-D: This list is the digest mode for GEN-NEWBIE-L. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thurmon, Blanche, I think the dates fit ok. If Nelly's birth was c1734/35 as found by Blanche on a website, then 81 Joseph b. 1712 could have been her father. We already found that a c1734/35 birth date fitted with Nelly's marriage to Simeon Kelsey on 22 Aug 1754 which Thurmon found in Early Connecticut Marriages. Please note I am not saying Joseph was the father - just putting him on the suspect list for a line-up. Blanche: Would you like to check out the website to see if the c1734/35 birth date was sourced? How reliable did the website look? They were way out with Skene's birth estimate, but this could be understandable if they were working on another line, maybe Kelsey. Best.. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > Sent: 16 November 2003 23:23 > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Weygant-F.J.Sackett-F.G.Sacket letters > -------snip------------- > I'm still trying to determine where Nelly fits in. According to the > information I have she was born about 1732 which would be questionable > [but not impossible] for her being a daughter of 81-Joseph Sackett who > was born in 1712.

Thurmon and All, Jonathan (74) is a bit of a mystery. In addition to the data in Weygant, we have from New Haven Vital Records another daughter - "Ruth the Daughter of Jonathan Sackitt was Born the 4th day of March 1718/19." Jonathan's marriage to Ruth Hotchkiss and birth of daughter Sarah as recorded by Weygant are both confirmed by NHVRs. These events place him in New Haven up to 1721 but he could well have moved from there after that date. This could be the answer to your question, "And if they did have 10 children; then why don't we have records for all of them?" I think I deduced from my recent enquiry that none of us has yet researched vital records from Dutchess County. Jonathan's age may be a problem if we try to link him to 725 Nelly Sackett. The only clues to his birth date are that we calculate that his brother Richard was b. c1678 and that Weygant places Jonathan before Richard in birth order. If Jonathan was b. bef. 1678 this makes him rather old (40+) for a first marriage to Ruth Hotchkiss in 1717. And he would have been 55+ by the date of Nelly's birth. So maybe this was a second marriage - and some of the alleged 10 chdn. were from an earlier marriage. If any of Jonathan's 10 chdn. were to be candidates for father of Nelly then they would have to have been from an earlier marriage as, clearly, none of Ruth Hotchkiss' chdn. could be father of Nelly. However, if there were sons of the Jonathan-Ruth marriage then certainly these could be candidates for father of Skene Douglas b 1765. (Maybe Wendy already trod this path and has more on this Jonathan? Did someone say there was evidence that Skene was a grandson of Richard, which would rule out Jonathan's line anyway?) If we ignore Weygant's birth order (which does not always signify anything) then the options are open for Jonathan & Ruth to have carried on having chdn. into the 1730s. Best.. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > Sent: 17 November 2003 00:33 > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SACKETT-L] The New Haven branch > > Chris and all; > > We've been working on the New Haven branch of the Sacketts of America and > I recently remembered something from Weygant that I've wondered about. > In his comments for 74-Jonathan Sackett, Jr. and his wife Ruth Hotchkiss; > Weygant says: "Of their ten children we have been able to record but one, > a daughter." > > The daughter he lists is 259-Sarah Sackett, (b. 9 Aug 1721), m. Lt. > Elisha Booth. > > Now, if there is only a record for one child, then how did Weygant know > that the couple had 10 children? And if they did have 10 children; then > why don't we have records for all of them?

Thurmon, I think Weygant may have moved 950 Reuben son of (547)/267 Richard Jr to 277 Reuben son of 81 Joseph. I note that 81 Joseph, who was a 1st cousin of 75 Capt Richard, also had land in Dutchess County. However, Weygant seems to say that Joseph did not live there and it was Joseph's son Samuel who was "supposed to have been the first of his line to settle in Dutchess County." I wonder why, when plucking Reuben & Nelly from Capt Richard's clutches, he then attached Reuben to Joseph and Nelly to Josiah Crego. Seems to me we should keep 81 Joseph in the frame for father of Nelly. Do we know anything else at all about Prime and Prince other than their listing on Weygant p113? I re-checked the 1897 Family Record and find that Weygant did not detail any of the New Haven lines in that publication. He just did a selection of lines down from Simon. Best.. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > Sent: 16 November 2003 01:34 > --------snip---------- He also has a son named > Reuben in the 1903 version but appears to have placed him in some other > family by 1907. [Mary Lou Sackett and I would dearly love to know where > the Reuben Sackett in Addison Co., VT came from]. Weygant may have > dropped Reuben from the list of children because he was not listed as an > heir in the estate settlement of Richard, Jr. viz.; > --------snip----------

Chris and all; We've been working on the New Haven branch of the Sacketts of America and I recently remembered something from Weygant that I've wondered about. In his comments for 74-Jonathan Sackett, Jr. and his wife Ruth Hotchkiss; Weygant says: "Of their ten children we have been able to record but one, a daughter." The daughter he lists is 259-Sarah Sackett, (b. 9 Aug 1721), m. Lt. Elisha Booth. Now, if there is only a record for one child, then how did Weygant know that the couple had 10 children? And if they did have 10 children; then why don't we have records for all of them? Best wishes, Thurmon

Chris: The 1st letter by Weygant says: "I will mail with this a letter to the clerk of the County of Litchfield, Conn asking him to inform me what if any records are on file or recorded there relating to any of the Sacketts of New Milford which antedate the close of the War of the Revolution, and if so about what it will cost to have them copied." And in the 2nd letter: "In reply to my letter of inquiry the Justice of Probate of Litchfield wrote as follows: "In this state will are kept in the several Probate Districts which do not include the whole County. The will of Jonathan Sackett of Kent in this county was admitted to probate in this District Oct. 6.1773 --Copy $1. The Will of Ann Sackett of Kent admitted to Probate Nov. 12, 1778 --Copy 50 cents. No other Sackett Wills between 1742 and 1800:--" I sent for both of these wills, or rather copies of them, and while they contained much of interest to me in other connections, they revealed nothing which threw any light on Skene Douglass Sackett line. I think New Milford is in Litchfield Probate District, but am not certain. But we will find the desired missing link without doubt before we give up the search, as I am sending out orders for copies of Wills in the various Probate Districts of both Connecticut and Massachusetts, filed previous to the year 1800, ..." These statements give the sources for finding some of these documents. It appears from what he says in his book that he received the documents and they revealed that Reuben and Nelly were not listed as heirs of Richard, Jr. and, therefore, removed them from his family. I had the same thought about Reuben. And although we have nothing other than 277 Reuben and 278 Joseph being listed as brothers; I have been inclined to believe that these two are the Reuben and Joseph, Sr. found in Addison Co., VT. I'm still trying to determine where Nelly fits in. According to the information I have she was born about 1732 which would be questionable [but not impossible] for her being a daughter of 81-Joseph Sackett who was born in 1712. Concerning Prince and Prime Sackett; Other than finding them in Weygant, I have seen no records for Sacketts with those names. Weygant stated in the 1st letter that he had not traced the family of Richard, jr in The Family Record ... So, after I read the letter again I didn't think you would be able to find his family. (:>) [Of course, you have been known to "invent" things now and then.] (:^D Best wishes, Thurmon On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:04:39 -0000 "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> writes: > Thurmon, > > I think Weygant may have moved 950 Reuben son of (547)/267 Richard Jr to 277 > Reuben son of 81 Joseph. > > I note that 81 Joseph, who was a 1st cousin of 75 Capt Richard, also had > land in Dutchess County. However, Weygant seems to say that Joseph did not > live there and it was Joseph's son Samuel who was "supposed to have been the > first of his line to settle in Dutchess County." I wonder why, when plucking > Reuben & Nelly from Capt Richard's clutches, he then attached Reuben to > Joseph and Nelly to Josiah Crego. Seems to me we should keep 81 Joseph in > the frame for father of Nelly. Do we know anything else at all about Prime > and Prince other than their listing on Weygant p113? > > I re-checked the 1897 Family Record and find that Weygant did not detail any > of the New Haven lines in that publication. He just did a selection of lines > down from Simon. > > Best.. > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > > Sent: 16 November 2003 01:34 > > --------snip---------- > He also has a son named > > Reuben in the 1903 version but appears to have placed him in some > other > > family by 1907. [Mary Lou Sackett and I would dearly love to know > where > > the Reuben Sackett in Addison Co., VT came from]. Weygant may > have > > dropped Reuben from the list of children because he was not listed > as an > > heir in the estate settlement of Richard, Jr. viz.; > > --------snip---------- > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web yet...? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Roy (& Sackett List), Many thanks for sending me the page from the O'Callaghan book which was your source for the Richard Sackett 1703 New York Census data. ("The Documentary History of the State of New York", by E.B. O'Callaghan (1849), p614, table headed "Census of the City of New York about the year 1703"). If, as seems likely, the original of this census was lost in the 1911 library fire, then it stands to reason that secondary sources could only have been compiled before that date. We should therefore rely on O'Callaghan's transcription (1849) rather than on P D Smith's transcription (1998) on the USGenWeb site. I note that P D Smith does not give a source for his/her work, but clearly it must itself have been taken from a secondary source. I have made a comparison between the two transcriptions for the Richard Sackett entry and for a number of entries before and after his entry. There are differences in the records of 18 householders forming a block from Widd Vontylborough who appears 13 lines before Richard Sackett to Isaac Ferbergin who appears 4 lines after Richard. I do not have the previous page of O'Callaghan to check entries before Widd Vontylborough but entries after Isaac Ferbergin look to be the same in both transcriptions. Of the 9 columns of figures, the first 3 are the same in both transcriptions but the next 6 are one line different, the figures in Smith appearing one line below those in O'Callaghan. Thus for Richard Sackett, both transcriptions have 1 male 16-60; 1 female; and 2 male children (these being the first 3 columns of figures). O'Callaghan then shows for Richard (in the next 6 columns): 2 female children; 3 male negroes; 1 female negro; 0 male negro children; 0 female negro children; 0 all above 60. These figures are found in Smith one line down, in the entry for Elener Eleworth. Smith shows for Richard (in the same 6 columns): 0 female children; 0 male negroes; 0 female negro; 1 male negro children; 0 female negro children; 0 all above 60. These figures are found in O'Callaghan one line up, in the entry for Levenus Deuind. What seems to have happened in Smith's version (assuming O'Callaghan to be correct) is that a block of numbers 18 rows by 6 columns (columns 4 to 9) has slipped down by one row. I will write to USGenWeb to see if they can confirm an error in their transcription. Meantime I would think we are safe to rely on O'Callaghan which, of course, agrees with the version quoted by Weygant - albeit Weygant has 1708, which I guess we must assume was a typo. This means that Richard and Margery either had four children between 1699 and 1703 (possible of course - twin daughters would help!), or perhaps one or both daughters was/were from a previous marriage(s). I note your comment that the Census was from "about" 1703. Thanks again for your help, Best wishes, Chris