Louella; I found a good example of someone presenting speculation in a way that it appears as "fact." Just this week I found a note relating to the family of Rolin Sackett that I copied into my file of information for his daughter Larua B. who married Martin L. Chase. It related to family of Laura's brother Harvey who married Mary Straw. [Unfortunately I didn't copy the URL of where I got the note. AHEM!!] But when I looked at the information I found that it has a glaring error: Bernice J Donoghue bdonoghue@comcast.net 2003-08-31 07:41:00 Sarah Sackett (dau of Harvey and Mary [Straw]Sackett) born June 30 1840 Crawford Co, PA; died July 20 1918 Farmland, Randolph Co, IN; married May 16 1886 Randolph Co IN, Jacob H James born Sept 5 1831 Augusta Co, VA; died July 13 1905 Randolph Co IN. ---- A couple of years ago we had a discussion relating to the husband of #12608-Sarah Sackett, daughter of #12594-Samuel Sackett and Julia Ann Heath. She married Jacob Horner James and lived in Randolph Co., IN. But the source above says that Jacob H. James married a daughter of Harvey Sackett and Mary Straw; even though I have seen no record that indicates that they had a daughter named Sarah. Perhaps the assumed connection was made based upon an entry in the 1880 census for the Jacob H. James household which gives the birthplace of Sarah's father as PA: 1880 Census; Stony Creek, Randolph, Indiana Family History Library Film 1254307 NA Film Number T9-0307 Page Number 210B Jacob H. JAMES Self M Male W 49 VA Farmer PA VA Sarah JAMES Wife M Female W 39 IN Keeping House PA OH William C. JAMES Son S Male W 13 IN At School VA IN Julia J. JAMES Dau S Female W 12 IN At School VA IN Samuel JAMES Son S Male W 11 IN At School VA IN Nancie E. JAMES Dau S Female W 9 IN At School VA IN Hanah P. JAMES Dau S Female W 5 IN VA IN Jacob W. JAMES Son S Male W 3 IN VA IN Margrett A. JAMES Dau S Female W 1 IN VA IN But the assumption does not explain how Sarah was born in IN when all of Harvey Sackett's children appear to have been born in Crawford Co., PA. For information about Jacob H. James see Ted Smith's website at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tcsmith/ggmason/pafg03.htm#87 Thurmon On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:42:36 -0500 <louellas@endor.com> writes: <CLIPPED> > I still find that information floating around as a true > and proven family history with her work cited if a citation is > even given. Depressing. > But have to admit in the first few years after starting family > research my citations were sketchy and I would sometimes > accept unproven "facts". It is embarrassing to realize your > errors. But made me go after all sources I can find and I learned > to put my speculations in the notes rather than in the tree. > > Louella

Is anyone else researching the Sackett family in Wisconsin? I am working on the ones in Washington and Fond du Lac Counties. I'd love to share. Kari Roehl

For those waiting for it I thought I would let you know that I have not forgotten I just word back from them that I have to send the request certified. Fortunately I have someone here at work who can certify letters. I have to tell you this is knew one for me especially since it is as old as it is. I could see if I wanted my fathers birth certificate :-p or something in the last 50 years, but I will do it and get it back out this week. Oh and right now I don't know if was typo or what but the will is in Liber 15 on page 543 (I had page 583, I think, she scratched through it so I am not sure). Liesa

Wow!!! Thurmon that is great. Well except the Orphan part but I am sure we will figure out eventually who he is related to. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Liesa > > From: Thurmon E King <thurmonking@juno.com> > Date: 2004/01/29 Thu AM 03:11:54 GMT > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Family of Oliver Sackett m. Esther Wing > > Liesa; > > I've developed a file with 146 individuals who were descendants of Oliver > and Esther Wing Sackett including her parents. But I have not been able > to determine who his parents were. He was born in about 1796 in MA so it > appears that he was born somewhere in the western part of the state. > > More orphans !!! > > Thurmon > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:00:26 -0500 "Liesa Robarge" <lrobarge@charter.net> > writes: > > Thurmon, > > > > It is great that we found some hints to other families. I knew there > > was a > > lot of stuff in those records but it great to see there is some new > > stuff > > too. I should have the last of the records for you by the Family > > Gathering > > in Sept. > > > > Liesa > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks attachments. So sharing photos is not possible through > the list; send off-list individually. If you have a text file you wish to share, save it as text and insert the text into your message. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Liesa; I've developed a file with 146 individuals who were descendants of Oliver and Esther Wing Sackett including her parents. But I have not been able to determine who his parents were. He was born in about 1796 in MA so it appears that he was born somewhere in the western part of the state. More orphans !!! Thurmon On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:00:26 -0500 "Liesa Robarge" <lrobarge@charter.net> writes: > Thurmon, > > It is great that we found some hints to other families. I knew there > was a > lot of stuff in those records but it great to see there is some new > stuff > too. I should have the last of the records for you by the Family > Gathering > in Sept. > > Liesa

Thurmon, It is great that we found some hints to other families. I knew there was a lot of stuff in those records but it great to see there is some new stuff too. I should have the last of the records for you by the Family Gathering in Sept. Liesa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thurmon E King" <thurmonking@juno.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: [SACKETT-L] Family of Oliver Sackett m. Esther Wing > Hello Sackett Searchers: > > Last September Liesa gave me a CD with some of the Sackett Military files > on it. One of the files is for Oliver Sackett. More sepcifically, it is > the pension file and petition for a Bounty Land Warrant by his widow, > Esther (Wing) Sackett. According to the information found in the file > and information from the Federal censuses, it appears that Oliver was > born in MA in 1796. > > In my database the only Oliver Sackett I have who could possibly fit is a > son of 192-Pliny M. Sacket and Elizabeth Kellogg. However, this Oliver > is listed as having died young. And there is no son under 10 listed in > the household of Pliny in the 1800 census. > Sacket, Pliny > State: MA; Year: 1800; County: Hampshire; Township: Southwick > Roll: M32_15 Page: 360 Image: 350 > Census: 020 01 - 012 01 > > The 1810 census shows that his wife had died and only one female (age > 16-25) in the household: > Sacket, Pling [Pliny] [W #192] > Year: 1810; State: MA; County: Hampshire; Township: Southwick > Roll: M252_19 Page: 305 > Census: 000 01 - 001 00 > > Weygant has only three children listed for Pliny and Elizabeth > 612-Royal b. 1784 > 614-Pliny b. abt 1789 > 614-Electa b. ???? > > The children of Pliny and Elizabeth Kellogg Sacket in the book "The > Kelloggs in the Old World and the New. Vol 1" are as follows: > 2274 Elizabeth Sacket, 8 b. (???); m. Oliver Johnson res.of New > York State > 2275 Polly Sacket, 8 b. (???); m Hezekiah Wheeler > 2276 Jerusha Sacket, 8 b. (???) ; m. Isaac Fowler of Westfield. > 2277 Electa Sacket, 8 b, (???); m Reuben Ensign > 2278 Royal Sackett,8 b.(???); m Eunice Hastings, of Suffield. > 2279 Pliny Sacket, 8 b. (???); Nancy Bartlett > 2280 Lucretia Sacket, 8 b. (???); James French of Southwick > 2281 Oliver Sacket,8 b. (???); d. young > 2282 Cynthia Sacket, 8 b (???) d. young > > Does anyone have anything that will show who the parents of Oliver > Sackett of Greene, Chenango Co., NY were?? > > Thurmon > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > GEN-NEWBIE-L: No question is too elementary and the atmosphere is relaxed & friendly. GEN-NEWBIE-D: This list is the digest mode for GEN-NEWBIE-L. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Also, sometimes they miss filming a page so the material is not only not extracted, it is not filmed. ----- Original Message ----- From: <louellas@endor.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:42 AM Subject: RE: [SACKETT-L] General info IGI > Right you are Linda, a cousin and I are going through all the films > for a Parish in England..the records were filmed but not all > extracted or indexed in the IGI. Found our common ancestors > marriage record by going frame by frame. I think in this case > the one film is a small book and difficult to read sometimes > and perhaps a curate note book sort of thing and some things > were not put in the master ledger..just a guess but it does > pay to look for yourself in all available sources whenever > possible. > Off the subject of the IGI though is another problem.. > with the Wickard family (Sarah Wickard married Samuel Sackett) > is an unproven genealogy by a person hired to do family research > years ago. > A Wickard was Secretary of Agriculture in one of > Roosevelts administrations and either he or someone in > his family hired a woman "Genealogist". Except for > the information which would have been available from > living members of the Wickard family all of the information > is unproven and worse most likely made up out of smoke and > mirrors. Know one man who spent 30 years trying to prove > the information that the Wickards came from "the old Sod" of > Ireland. > I still find that information floating around as a true > and proven family history with her work cited if a citation is > even given. Depressing. > But have to admit in the first few years after starting family > research my citations were sketchy and I would sometimes > accept unproven "facts". It is embarrassing to realize your > errors. But made me go after all sources I can find and I learned > to put my speculations in the notes rather than in the tree. > > Louella > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Hare [mailto:alstrom@icon.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:27 PM > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] General info IGI > > > > You are very right about the IGI. And you are right that a lot of them are > extractions. The extractions are wonderful as you can go get the actual > record. Several years ago, it is getting to be many years, submissions were > not included in the IGI, they were only in the ancestral file. I would like > to see the extractions and submissions separated. I know that I sound a > little harsh but I have found so much information that is incorrect in the > IGI (submissions) and on the internet, and in the FTM or whatever those > things are, that I would like to see all guesses without at least some > substantiation, removed from the internet unless it is stated that it is a > guess. That is why I am so proud of this Sackett group. They are so in to > finding documentation. > Oh, by the way, I even have family members who have put out the wrong > information as they don't want it to be known who they really descend from. > Linda > Oh, another thing. If you find that the LDS library has extracted a certain > film and you feel sure that your ancestors were in that area, try to get to > the original records. I have had this happen a couple of times. One case > was a church in England. The pages that included my ancestors were not > filmed. Therefore, they were not extracted. I just could not believe that > they were not there and went to the repository in London and went thru the > original records. There they were. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <louellas@endor.com> > To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:01 PM > Subject: [SACKETT-L] General info IGI > > > > While not a member of the LDS church have spent quite a few > > years volunteering in my local family history centers so feel > > I can give a little information about the IGI etc. Hope nobody minds. > > > > The entries come from several sources: > > 1) members of the church who add their family member's names > > and information for baptism of the dead (you will often see > > reference to Ordinance, a date and place of baptism). The member > > information if placed in the IGI primarily, I understand, to assist > > other church members find their ancestors. I also understand that > > all church members try to find at least 4 generations back for > > these ordinances. The batch numbers for these entries will not > > commonly have letters ie the Batch number for the marriage of > > Dwight & Charlotte Wilson below has no letter so is an entry > > of a church member. The film would show the original entry > > and most, but not all, reference where the information was > > gleaned--ie family bible, town records, etc. An A in front of > > the batch number is a marriage also entered by a church > > member. But rule number one with this type of IGI entry is > > to only use it as a working file..not as the end of your > > research. This said I have also found some great stuff > > in the ordinance files from the 1890s. Names of the > > contributor's aunts, cousins etc with approx birth dates > > and places of births. In this particular case this person knew > > the deceased cousins and aunts & uncles so I have used it as a type of > > oral family history and so note it as such. Most I have been able to > > confirm. > > BUT as Linda says, the information can be so far out of line as > > to be useless. Which is why there may be multiple entries of > > the birth or marriage of supposedly one particular person with > > dates as far apart as 20 years and 2 or 3 different spouses all > > at the same time so ALWAYS try to verify everything and/or find > > supporting information. AND I always look at the original film > > to check the full entry for the IGI. > > I had found one family connected to the Sacketts with all the > > siblings but one entered into the baptismal ordinances in the > > 1920s, by a person who had to have known about his uncle, and > > was told by a church member that if the uncle was not a member > > of the LDS and living family members objected to the baptism > > it would not have been done. Which may well have been what > > happened or maybe GrUncle Arthur didn't like that uncle and > > didn't want to spend eternity with him! > > By the way, I have heard some people object to the blanket > > baptism of the dead non members of the LDS church (their believe, > > in common with some other religious, has a heaven only inhabited > > by baptized members of the church) but without getting into a > > religious controversy, > > If you don't believe it will work, why be upset! > > But before you stop reading... > > > > 2) The extraction of records filmed by the LDS by permission > > of the record holder..for instance the Scottish Parish records > > before 1855. These records have Batch numbers preceded by > > letters. Commonly C for christenings, M for marriages etc > > B for burials. Now some have P. These would be primary records > > > > So the Batch number can indicate what kind of record will > > be found on the film. Also if in doubt, do the LDS library > > search by film number which will give the description of the > > film. (this is one of the search options) > > > > Generally I have found it very useful to look at the film > > with the IGI entry..often you will find multiple entries > > by the same person. Newer IGI entries will have a better chance > > of contacting the person who made the entry but once or twice > > I have been lucky. Some old pictures were found through a daughter > > of one Sackett who had entered many of his family and had died > > before I found the entries. > > It has only been lately that I have found entries with no > > source given for the entry. Hopefully, this will not become > > common > > Deaths are not usually shown in the IGI but may be found > > in the original entries. > > As a non church member I did enter the information from a family > > bible into the Ancestral file..simple to make the information > > available not for death baptism. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 4:12 AM > > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Dwight Sackett - need parents > > > > > > > > Robin: > > > > I think the information you had came from another database on World > > Connect #:11466 by a Drummond. It has the one son named Otis Eugene born > > in 1848. > > > > I have found another problem concerning the marriage of Dwight Sackett > > and Caroline A. Bolton. Some sources have Dwights birth as 1824 > > Worcester, MA and his marriage there in 1844. It appears that the > > information there came from the LDS IGI. Files there have two dates and > > two different sources cited: > > (1). Dwight Sackett; Male > > Marriage: 15 MAR 1824 Of, Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts > > Source Information: Film Number: 183515; Page Number: 254; Reference > > number: 9190 > > (2). DWIGHT SACKETT; Male > > Spouse: CHARLOTTE E. WILSON > > Marriage: 15 MAR 1844 Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts > > Source Information: Batch Number: 7130128; Sheet: 14 ; Source Call No.: > > 0538998; Type: Film > > > > It is not clear whether these films are of original records, or are of > > contributed data. From the information above it appears that there is a > > problem with the information found on the films. Another problem relates > > to the name of his wife. The 2nd source gives the name of Dwight's bride > > as Charlotte E. Wilson. But the 1850 and 1870 censuses give the name of > > his wife as Caroline A. Sackett. Mary Lou Sackett has the marriage date > > and place as March 01, 1845, Brattleboro, Windham Co., VT. > > > > Mary Lou would have more information about finding records in MI than I > > do. But if one could get a copy of Dwight's death certificate some > > valuable information can be gained from it. > > > > The answer to question about when it is appropriate to add an individual > > to your family tree depends upon who is giving the answer. > > > > Generally a connection should be a tentative connection until it is > > proven by source documents. The purists generally insist upon having > > documentation from primary source documents. And insist upon viewing the > > document, or image of the document themselves. With the older > > handwritten documents this is important because letters in the words can > > easily be transcribed incorrectly and another person reading the same > > document can read it correctly. So research done by others should be > > double checked to make sure it is correct. > > > > Those of us on the SACKETT-L and members of TSFA are tryiing to correct > > errors in Weygant's book and add information and sources that he did not > > supply. At the same time we are compiling information on as many Sackett > > descendants as possible. > > > > So the purists "grit their teeth" at the kind of work I am doing. I make > > tentative connections and then look to others to help with finding the > > sources and inform me of any errors I may have posted. I do this because > > information comes in from others in such a large quantity that I am not > > able to access and view the source documents myself. > > > > But, as you have noticed, I do check the data for inconsistencies and > > look for clues. > > > > Thurmon > > > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:29:43 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> > > writes: > > > I understand. I also assumed that Eugene had died in infancy. I > > believe I > > > had taken the birth dates from another researchers tree and did not > > notice > > > the discrepancy until you pointed it out. I will look for confirmation > > of > > > the the date. > > > > > > I feel that it is likely that Dwight Sackett son of Asher Sackett Jr. > > is > > > indeed the connection I was looking for (given the dates, the older > > brother > > > Henry, and the coincidence of a Dwight and Henry of the proper ages > > both in > > > Assyria). Do you have any suggestions on how I might confirm this. > > > When is it appropriate to add these ancestors to my tree. Is there an > > > etiquette regarding how much confirmation one should have. As I said, I > > am a > > > genealogy newby. Again, I greatly appreciate your help. > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > > GEN-NEWBIE-L: No question is too elementary and the atmosphere is relaxed > & > > friendly. 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Right you are Linda, a cousin and I are going through all the films for a Parish in England..the records were filmed but not all extracted or indexed in the IGI. Found our common ancestors marriage record by going frame by frame. I think in this case the one film is a small book and difficult to read sometimes and perhaps a curate note book sort of thing and some things were not put in the master ledger..just a guess but it does pay to look for yourself in all available sources whenever possible. Off the subject of the IGI though is another problem.. with the Wickard family (Sarah Wickard married Samuel Sackett) is an unproven genealogy by a person hired to do family research years ago. A Wickard was Secretary of Agriculture in one of Roosevelts administrations and either he or someone in his family hired a woman "Genealogist". Except for the information which would have been available from living members of the Wickard family all of the information is unproven and worse most likely made up out of smoke and mirrors. Know one man who spent 30 years trying to prove the information that the Wickards came from "the old Sod" of Ireland. I still find that information floating around as a true and proven family history with her work cited if a citation is even given. Depressing. But have to admit in the first few years after starting family research my citations were sketchy and I would sometimes accept unproven "facts". It is embarrassing to realize your errors. But made me go after all sources I can find and I learned to put my speculations in the notes rather than in the tree. Louella -----Original Message----- From: Linda Hare [mailto:alstrom@icon.net] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:27 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] General info IGI You are very right about the IGI. And you are right that a lot of them are extractions. The extractions are wonderful as you can go get the actual record. Several years ago, it is getting to be many years, submissions were not included in the IGI, they were only in the ancestral file. I would like to see the extractions and submissions separated. I know that I sound a little harsh but I have found so much information that is incorrect in the IGI (submissions) and on the internet, and in the FTM or whatever those things are, that I would like to see all guesses without at least some substantiation, removed from the internet unless it is stated that it is a guess. That is why I am so proud of this Sackett group. They are so in to finding documentation. Oh, by the way, I even have family members who have put out the wrong information as they don't want it to be known who they really descend from. Linda Oh, another thing. If you find that the LDS library has extracted a certain film and you feel sure that your ancestors were in that area, try to get to the original records. I have had this happen a couple of times. One case was a church in England. The pages that included my ancestors were not filmed. Therefore, they were not extracted. I just could not believe that they were not there and went to the repository in London and went thru the original records. There they were. ----- Original Message ----- From: <louellas@endor.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: [SACKETT-L] General info IGI > While not a member of the LDS church have spent quite a few > years volunteering in my local family history centers so feel > I can give a little information about the IGI etc. Hope nobody minds. > > The entries come from several sources: > 1) members of the church who add their family member's names > and information for baptism of the dead (you will often see > reference to Ordinance, a date and place of baptism). The member > information if placed in the IGI primarily, I understand, to assist > other church members find their ancestors. I also understand that > all church members try to find at least 4 generations back for > these ordinances. The batch numbers for these entries will not > commonly have letters ie the Batch number for the marriage of > Dwight & Charlotte Wilson below has no letter so is an entry > of a church member. The film would show the original entry > and most, but not all, reference where the information was > gleaned--ie family bible, town records, etc. An A in front of > the batch number is a marriage also entered by a church > member. But rule number one with this type of IGI entry is > to only use it as a working file..not as the end of your > research. This said I have also found some great stuff > in the ordinance files from the 1890s. Names of the > contributor's aunts, cousins etc with approx birth dates > and places of births. In this particular case this person knew > the deceased cousins and aunts & uncles so I have used it as a type of > oral family history and so note it as such. Most I have been able to > confirm. > BUT as Linda says, the information can be so far out of line as > to be useless. Which is why there may be multiple entries of > the birth or marriage of supposedly one particular person with > dates as far apart as 20 years and 2 or 3 different spouses all > at the same time so ALWAYS try to verify everything and/or find > supporting information. AND I always look at the original film > to check the full entry for the IGI. > I had found one family connected to the Sacketts with all the > siblings but one entered into the baptismal ordinances in the > 1920s, by a person who had to have known about his uncle, and > was told by a church member that if the uncle was not a member > of the LDS and living family members objected to the baptism > it would not have been done. Which may well have been what > happened or maybe GrUncle Arthur didn't like that uncle and > didn't want to spend eternity with him! > By the way, I have heard some people object to the blanket > baptism of the dead non members of the LDS church (their believe, > in common with some other religious, has a heaven only inhabited > by baptized members of the church) but without getting into a > religious controversy, > If you don't believe it will work, why be upset! > But before you stop reading... > > 2) The extraction of records filmed by the LDS by permission > of the record holder..for instance the Scottish Parish records > before 1855. These records have Batch numbers preceded by > letters. Commonly C for christenings, M for marriages etc > B for burials. Now some have P. These would be primary records > > So the Batch number can indicate what kind of record will > be found on the film. Also if in doubt, do the LDS library > search by film number which will give the description of the > film. (this is one of the search options) > > Generally I have found it very useful to look at the film > with the IGI entry..often you will find multiple entries > by the same person. Newer IGI entries will have a better chance > of contacting the person who made the entry but once or twice > I have been lucky. Some old pictures were found through a daughter > of one Sackett who had entered many of his family and had died > before I found the entries. > It has only been lately that I have found entries with no > source given for the entry. Hopefully, this will not become > common > Deaths are not usually shown in the IGI but may be found > in the original entries. > As a non church member I did enter the information from a family > bible into the Ancestral file..simple to make the information > available not for death baptism. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 4:12 AM > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Dwight Sackett - need parents > > > > Robin: > > I think the information you had came from another database on World > Connect #:11466 by a Drummond. It has the one son named Otis Eugene born > in 1848. > > I have found another problem concerning the marriage of Dwight Sackett > and Caroline A. Bolton. Some sources have Dwights birth as 1824 > Worcester, MA and his marriage there in 1844. It appears that the > information there came from the LDS IGI. Files there have two dates and > two different sources cited: > (1). Dwight Sackett; Male > Marriage: 15 MAR 1824 Of, Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts > Source Information: Film Number: 183515; Page Number: 254; Reference > number: 9190 > (2). DWIGHT SACKETT; Male > Spouse: CHARLOTTE E. WILSON > Marriage: 15 MAR 1844 Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts > Source Information: Batch Number: 7130128; Sheet: 14 ; Source Call No.: > 0538998; Type: Film > > It is not clear whether these films are of original records, or are of > contributed data. From the information above it appears that there is a > problem with the information found on the films. Another problem relates > to the name of his wife. The 2nd source gives the name of Dwight's bride > as Charlotte E. Wilson. But the 1850 and 1870 censuses give the name of > his wife as Caroline A. Sackett. Mary Lou Sackett has the marriage date > and place as March 01, 1845, Brattleboro, Windham Co., VT. > > Mary Lou would have more information about finding records in MI than I > do. But if one could get a copy of Dwight's death certificate some > valuable information can be gained from it. > > The answer to question about when it is appropriate to add an individual > to your family tree depends upon who is giving the answer. > > Generally a connection should be a tentative connection until it is > proven by source documents. The purists generally insist upon having > documentation from primary source documents. And insist upon viewing the > document, or image of the document themselves. With the older > handwritten documents this is important because letters in the words can > easily be transcribed incorrectly and another person reading the same > document can read it correctly. So research done by others should be > double checked to make sure it is correct. > > Those of us on the SACKETT-L and members of TSFA are tryiing to correct > errors in Weygant's book and add information and sources that he did not > supply. At the same time we are compiling information on as many Sackett > descendants as possible. > > So the purists "grit their teeth" at the kind of work I am doing. I make > tentative connections and then look to others to help with finding the > sources and inform me of any errors I may have posted. I do this because > information comes in from others in such a large quantity that I am not > able to access and view the source documents myself. > > But, as you have noticed, I do check the data for inconsistencies and > look for clues. > > Thurmon > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:29:43 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> > writes: > > I understand. I also assumed that Eugene had died in infancy. I > believe I > > had taken the birth dates from another researchers tree and did not > notice > > the discrepancy until you pointed it out. I will look for confirmation > of > > the the date. > > > > I feel that it is likely that Dwight Sackett son of Asher Sackett Jr. > is > > indeed the connection I was looking for (given the dates, the older > brother > > Henry, and the coincidence of a Dwight and Henry of the proper ages > both in > > Assyria). Do you have any suggestions on how I might confirm this. > > When is it appropriate to add these ancestors to my tree. Is there an > > etiquette regarding how much confirmation one should have. As I said, I > am a > > genealogy newby. Again, I greatly appreciate your help. > > > > Robin > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > GEN-NEWBIE-L: No question is too elementary and the atmosphere is relaxed & > friendly. 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Hello Sackett Searchers: Last September Liesa gave me a CD with some of the Sackett Military files on it. One of the files is for Oliver Sackett. More sepcifically, it is the pension file and petition for a Bounty Land Warrant by his widow, Esther (Wing) Sackett. According to the information found in the file and information from the Federal censuses, it appears that Oliver was born in MA in 1796. In my database the only Oliver Sackett I have who could possibly fit is a son of 192-Pliny M. Sacket and Elizabeth Kellogg. However, this Oliver is listed as having died young. And there is no son under 10 listed in the household of Pliny in the 1800 census. Sacket, Pliny State: MA; Year: 1800; County: Hampshire; Township: Southwick Roll: M32_15 Page: 360 Image: 350 Census: 020 01 - 012 01 The 1810 census shows that his wife had died and only one female (age 16-25) in the household: Sacket, Pling [Pliny] [W #192] Year: 1810; State: MA; County: Hampshire; Township: Southwick Roll: M252_19 Page: 305 Census: 000 01 - 001 00 Weygant has only three children listed for Pliny and Elizabeth 612-Royal b. 1784 614-Pliny b. abt 1789 614-Electa b. ???? The children of Pliny and Elizabeth Kellogg Sacket in the book "The Kelloggs in the Old World and the New. Vol 1" are as follows: 2274 Elizabeth Sacket, 8 b. (???); m. Oliver Johnson res.of New York State 2275 Polly Sacket, 8 b. (???); m Hezekiah Wheeler 2276 Jerusha Sacket, 8 b. (???) ; m. Isaac Fowler of Westfield. 2277 Electa Sacket, 8 b, (???); m Reuben Ensign 2278 Royal Sackett,8 b.(???); m Eunice Hastings, of Suffield. 2279 Pliny Sacket, 8 b. (???); Nancy Bartlett 2280 Lucretia Sacket, 8 b. (???); James French of Southwick 2281 Oliver Sacket,8 b. (???); d. young 2282 Cynthia Sacket, 8 b (???) d. young Does anyone have anything that will show who the parents of Oliver Sackett of Greene, Chenango Co., NY were?? Thurmon

Thurmon I found a Oliver Sacket and Esther Sacket had a girl Named Esther born on the 25 july 1848. In Green, Chenango County,NY. Page 86 Births registered for 1848. Also found in town of Greene 1870 Census covering 1 june 1869 to may 31 1870 Death of Oliver Sacket age 62 .Marr Feb. RJ Sackett sacket ----- Original Message ----- From: Thurmon E King Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 20:08 To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SACKETT-L] Family of Oliver Sackett m. Esther Wing Hello Sackett Searchers: Last September Liesa gave me a CD with some of the Sackett Military files on it. One of the files is for Oliver Sackett. More sepcifically, it is the pension file and petition for a Bounty Land Warrant by his widow, Esther (Wing) Sackett. According to the information found in the file and information from the Federal censuses, it appears that Oliver was born in MA in 1796. In my database the only Oliver Sackett I have who could possibly fit is a son of 192-Pliny M. Sacket and Elizabeth Kellogg. However, this Oliver is listed as having died young. And there is no son under 10 listed in the household of Pliny in the 1800 census. Sacket, Pliny State: MA; Year: 1800; County: Hampshire; Township: Southwick Roll: M32_15 Page: 360 Image: 350 Census: 020 01 - 012 01 The 1810 census shows that his wife had died and only one female (age 16-25) in the household: Sacket, Pling [Pliny] [W #192] Year: 1810; State: MA; County: Hampshire; Township: Southwick Roll: M252_19 Page: 305 Census: 000 01 - 001 00 Weygant has only three children listed for Pliny and Elizabeth 612-Royal b. 1784 614-Pliny b. abt 1789 614-Electa b. ???? The children of Pliny and Elizabeth Kellogg Sacket in the book "The Kelloggs in the Old World and the New. Vol 1" are as follows: 2274 Elizabeth Sacket, 8 b. (???); m. Oliver Johnson res.of New York State 2275 Polly Sacket, 8 b. (???); m Hezekiah Wheeler 2276 Jerusha Sacket, 8 b. (???) ; m. Isaac Fowler of Westfield. 2277 Electa Sacket, 8 b, (???); m Reuben Ensign 2278 Royal Sackett,8 b.(???); m Eunice Hastings, of Suffield. 2279 Pliny Sacket, 8 b. (???); Nancy Bartlett 2280 Lucretia Sacket, 8 b. (???); James French of Southwick 2281 Oliver Sacket,8 b. (???); d. young 2282 Cynthia Sacket, 8 b (???) d. young Does anyone have anything that will show who the parents of Oliver Sackett of Greene, Chenango Co., NY were?? Thurmon ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== GEN-NEWBIE-L: No question is too elementary and the atmosphere is relaxed & friendly. GEN-NEWBIE-D: This list is the digest mode for GEN-NEWBIE-L. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Also found in the 1880 census for Mead, Crawford Co., PA Family History Library Film 1255119; NA Film Number T9-1119 Page Number 235A Ebenesar SACKETT Self M Male W 63 MA Farmer MA MA Sabrena SACKETT Wife M Female W 70 MA Housekeeper MA MA I don't have this individual in my database. Can anyone identify him? Thurmon

For those interested in this family: After reviewing some of the information in the obituary for Edson Sackett supplied by Ted Mudge and the obit for Felidia (Goodrich) Sackett [wife of Edson] from Dianne Cobb; I found the census information for Lavina (Sackett) Fleck in the 1880 census: 1880 Census; Woodcock, Crawford, Pennsylvania Family History Library Film 1255121; NA Film Number T9-1121 Page Number 398B William H. FLECK Self M Male W 31 PENN Farming PENN N Y S. Lavina FLECK Wife M Female W 28 PENN Keeping House PENN PENN Harry A. FLECK Son S Male W 6 PENN PENN PENN Hattie B. FLECK Dau S Female W 3 PENN PENN PENN

You are very right about the IGI. And you are right that a lot of them are extractions. The extractions are wonderful as you can go get the actual record. Several years ago, it is getting to be many years, submissions were not included in the IGI, they were only in the ancestral file. I would like to see the extractions and submissions separated. I know that I sound a little harsh but I have found so much information that is incorrect in the IGI (submissions) and on the internet, and in the FTM or whatever those things are, that I would like to see all guesses without at least some substantiation, removed from the internet unless it is stated that it is a guess. That is why I am so proud of this Sackett group. They are so in to finding documentation. Oh, by the way, I even have family members who have put out the wrong information as they don't want it to be known who they really descend from. Linda Oh, another thing. If you find that the LDS library has extracted a certain film and you feel sure that your ancestors were in that area, try to get to the original records. I have had this happen a couple of times. One case was a church in England. The pages that included my ancestors were not filmed. Therefore, they were not extracted. I just could not believe that they were not there and went to the repository in London and went thru the original records. There they were. ----- Original Message ----- From: <louellas@endor.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: [SACKETT-L] General info IGI > While not a member of the LDS church have spent quite a few > years volunteering in my local family history centers so feel > I can give a little information about the IGI etc. Hope nobody minds. > > The entries come from several sources: > 1) members of the church who add their family member's names > and information for baptism of the dead (you will often see > reference to Ordinance, a date and place of baptism). The member > information if placed in the IGI primarily, I understand, to assist > other church members find their ancestors. I also understand that > all church members try to find at least 4 generations back for > these ordinances. The batch numbers for these entries will not > commonly have letters ie the Batch number for the marriage of > Dwight & Charlotte Wilson below has no letter so is an entry > of a church member. The film would show the original entry > and most, but not all, reference where the information was > gleaned--ie family bible, town records, etc. An A in front of > the batch number is a marriage also entered by a church > member. But rule number one with this type of IGI entry is > to only use it as a working file..not as the end of your > research. This said I have also found some great stuff > in the ordinance files from the 1890s. Names of the > contributor's aunts, cousins etc with approx birth dates > and places of births. In this particular case this person knew > the deceased cousins and aunts & uncles so I have used it as a type of > oral family history and so note it as such. Most I have been able to > confirm. > BUT as Linda says, the information can be so far out of line as > to be useless. Which is why there may be multiple entries of > the birth or marriage of supposedly one particular person with > dates as far apart as 20 years and 2 or 3 different spouses all > at the same time so ALWAYS try to verify everything and/or find > supporting information. AND I always look at the original film > to check the full entry for the IGI. > I had found one family connected to the Sacketts with all the > siblings but one entered into the baptismal ordinances in the > 1920s, by a person who had to have known about his uncle, and > was told by a church member that if the uncle was not a member > of the LDS and living family members objected to the baptism > it would not have been done. Which may well have been what > happened or maybe GrUncle Arthur didn't like that uncle and > didn't want to spend eternity with him! > By the way, I have heard some people object to the blanket > baptism of the dead non members of the LDS church (their believe, > in common with some other religious, has a heaven only inhabited > by baptized members of the church) but without getting into a > religious controversy, > If you don't believe it will work, why be upset! > But before you stop reading... > > 2) The extraction of records filmed by the LDS by permission > of the record holder..for instance the Scottish Parish records > before 1855. These records have Batch numbers preceded by > letters. Commonly C for christenings, M for marriages etc > B for burials. Now some have P. These would be primary records > > So the Batch number can indicate what kind of record will > be found on the film. Also if in doubt, do the LDS library > search by film number which will give the description of the > film. (this is one of the search options) > > Generally I have found it very useful to look at the film > with the IGI entry..often you will find multiple entries > by the same person. Newer IGI entries will have a better chance > of contacting the person who made the entry but once or twice > I have been lucky. Some old pictures were found through a daughter > of one Sackett who had entered many of his family and had died > before I found the entries. > It has only been lately that I have found entries with no > source given for the entry. Hopefully, this will not become > common > Deaths are not usually shown in the IGI but may be found > in the original entries. > As a non church member I did enter the information from a family > bible into the Ancestral file..simple to make the information > available not for death baptism. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 4:12 AM > To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Dwight Sackett - need parents > > > > Robin: > > I think the information you had came from another database on World > Connect #:11466 by a Drummond. It has the one son named Otis Eugene born > in 1848. > > I have found another problem concerning the marriage of Dwight Sackett > and Caroline A. Bolton. Some sources have Dwights birth as 1824 > Worcester, MA and his marriage there in 1844. It appears that the > information there came from the LDS IGI. Files there have two dates and > two different sources cited: > (1). Dwight Sackett; Male > Marriage: 15 MAR 1824 Of, Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts > Source Information: Film Number: 183515; Page Number: 254; Reference > number: 9190 > (2). DWIGHT SACKETT; Male > Spouse: CHARLOTTE E. WILSON > Marriage: 15 MAR 1844 Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts > Source Information: Batch Number: 7130128; Sheet: 14 ; Source Call No.: > 0538998; Type: Film > > It is not clear whether these films are of original records, or are of > contributed data. From the information above it appears that there is a > problem with the information found on the films. Another problem relates > to the name of his wife. The 2nd source gives the name of Dwight's bride > as Charlotte E. Wilson. But the 1850 and 1870 censuses give the name of > his wife as Caroline A. Sackett. Mary Lou Sackett has the marriage date > and place as March 01, 1845, Brattleboro, Windham Co., VT. > > Mary Lou would have more information about finding records in MI than I > do. But if one could get a copy of Dwight's death certificate some > valuable information can be gained from it. > > The answer to question about when it is appropriate to add an individual > to your family tree depends upon who is giving the answer. > > Generally a connection should be a tentative connection until it is > proven by source documents. The purists generally insist upon having > documentation from primary source documents. And insist upon viewing the > document, or image of the document themselves. With the older > handwritten documents this is important because letters in the words can > easily be transcribed incorrectly and another person reading the same > document can read it correctly. So research done by others should be > double checked to make sure it is correct. > > Those of us on the SACKETT-L and members of TSFA are tryiing to correct > errors in Weygant's book and add information and sources that he did not > supply. At the same time we are compiling information on as many Sackett > descendants as possible. > > So the purists "grit their teeth" at the kind of work I am doing. I make > tentative connections and then look to others to help with finding the > sources and inform me of any errors I may have posted. I do this because > information comes in from others in such a large quantity that I am not > able to access and view the source documents myself. > > But, as you have noticed, I do check the data for inconsistencies and > look for clues. > > Thurmon > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:29:43 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> > writes: > > I understand. I also assumed that Eugene had died in infancy. I > believe I > > had taken the birth dates from another researchers tree and did not > notice > > the discrepancy until you pointed it out. I will look for confirmation > of > > the the date. > > > > I feel that it is likely that Dwight Sackett son of Asher Sackett Jr. > is > > indeed the connection I was looking for (given the dates, the older > brother > > Henry, and the coincidence of a Dwight and Henry of the proper ages > both in > > Assyria). Do you have any suggestions on how I might confirm this. > > When is it appropriate to add these ancestors to my tree. Is there an > > etiquette regarding how much confirmation one should have. As I said, I > am a > > genealogy newby. Again, I greatly appreciate your help. > > > > Robin > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > GEN-NEWBIE-L: No question is too elementary and the atmosphere is relaxed & > friendly. GEN-NEWBIE-D: This list is the digest mode for GEN-NEWBIE-L. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks attachments. So sharing photos is not possible through > the list; send off-list individually. If you have a text file you wish to share, save it as text and insert the text into your message. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

While not a member of the LDS church have spent quite a few years volunteering in my local family history centers so feel I can give a little information about the IGI etc. Hope nobody minds. The entries come from several sources: 1) members of the church who add their family member's names and information for baptism of the dead (you will often see reference to Ordinance, a date and place of baptism). The member information if placed in the IGI primarily, I understand, to assist other church members find their ancestors. I also understand that all church members try to find at least 4 generations back for these ordinances. The batch numbers for these entries will not commonly have letters ie the Batch number for the marriage of Dwight & Charlotte Wilson below has no letter so is an entry of a church member. The film would show the original entry and most, but not all, reference where the information was gleaned--ie family bible, town records, etc. An A in front of the batch number is a marriage also entered by a church member. But rule number one with this type of IGI entry is to only use it as a working file..not as the end of your research. This said I have also found some great stuff in the ordinance files from the 1890s. Names of the contributor's aunts, cousins etc with approx birth dates and places of births. In this particular case this person knew the deceased cousins and aunts & uncles so I have used it as a type of oral family history and so note it as such. Most I have been able to confirm. BUT as Linda says, the information can be so far out of line as to be useless. Which is why there may be multiple entries of the birth or marriage of supposedly one particular person with dates as far apart as 20 years and 2 or 3 different spouses all at the same time so ALWAYS try to verify everything and/or find supporting information. AND I always look at the original film to check the full entry for the IGI. I had found one family connected to the Sacketts with all the siblings but one entered into the baptismal ordinances in the 1920s, by a person who had to have known about his uncle, and was told by a church member that if the uncle was not a member of the LDS and living family members objected to the baptism it would not have been done. Which may well have been what happened or maybe GrUncle Arthur didn't like that uncle and didn't want to spend eternity with him! By the way, I have heard some people object to the blanket baptism of the dead non members of the LDS church (their believe, in common with some other religious, has a heaven only inhabited by baptized members of the church) but without getting into a religious controversy, If you don't believe it will work, why be upset! But before you stop reading... 2) The extraction of records filmed by the LDS by permission of the record holder..for instance the Scottish Parish records before 1855. These records have Batch numbers preceded by letters. Commonly C for christenings, M for marriages etc B for burials. Now some have P. These would be primary records So the Batch number can indicate what kind of record will be found on the film. Also if in doubt, do the LDS library search by film number which will give the description of the film. (this is one of the search options) Generally I have found it very useful to look at the film with the IGI entry..often you will find multiple entries by the same person. Newer IGI entries will have a better chance of contacting the person who made the entry but once or twice I have been lucky. Some old pictures were found through a daughter of one Sackett who had entered many of his family and had died before I found the entries. It has only been lately that I have found entries with no source given for the entry. Hopefully, this will not become common Deaths are not usually shown in the IGI but may be found in the original entries. As a non church member I did enter the information from a family bible into the Ancestral file..simple to make the information available not for death baptism. -----Original Message----- From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 4:12 AM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Dwight Sackett - need parents Robin: I think the information you had came from another database on World Connect #:11466 by a Drummond. It has the one son named Otis Eugene born in 1848. I have found another problem concerning the marriage of Dwight Sackett and Caroline A. Bolton. Some sources have Dwights birth as 1824 Worcester, MA and his marriage there in 1844. It appears that the information there came from the LDS IGI. Files there have two dates and two different sources cited: (1). Dwight Sackett; Male Marriage: 15 MAR 1824 Of, Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts Source Information: Film Number: 183515; Page Number: 254; Reference number: 9190 (2). DWIGHT SACKETT; Male Spouse: CHARLOTTE E. WILSON Marriage: 15 MAR 1844 Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts Source Information: Batch Number: 7130128; Sheet: 14 ; Source Call No.: 0538998; Type: Film It is not clear whether these films are of original records, or are of contributed data. From the information above it appears that there is a problem with the information found on the films. Another problem relates to the name of his wife. The 2nd source gives the name of Dwight's bride as Charlotte E. Wilson. But the 1850 and 1870 censuses give the name of his wife as Caroline A. Sackett. Mary Lou Sackett has the marriage date and place as March 01, 1845, Brattleboro, Windham Co., VT. Mary Lou would have more information about finding records in MI than I do. But if one could get a copy of Dwight's death certificate some valuable information can be gained from it. The answer to question about when it is appropriate to add an individual to your family tree depends upon who is giving the answer. Generally a connection should be a tentative connection until it is proven by source documents. The purists generally insist upon having documentation from primary source documents. And insist upon viewing the document, or image of the document themselves. With the older handwritten documents this is important because letters in the words can easily be transcribed incorrectly and another person reading the same document can read it correctly. So research done by others should be double checked to make sure it is correct. Those of us on the SACKETT-L and members of TSFA are tryiing to correct errors in Weygant's book and add information and sources that he did not supply. At the same time we are compiling information on as many Sackett descendants as possible. So the purists "grit their teeth" at the kind of work I am doing. I make tentative connections and then look to others to help with finding the sources and inform me of any errors I may have posted. I do this because information comes in from others in such a large quantity that I am not able to access and view the source documents myself. But, as you have noticed, I do check the data for inconsistencies and look for clues. Thurmon On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:29:43 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> writes: > I understand. I also assumed that Eugene had died in infancy. I believe I > had taken the birth dates from another researchers tree and did not notice > the discrepancy until you pointed it out. I will look for confirmation of > the the date. > > I feel that it is likely that Dwight Sackett son of Asher Sackett Jr. is > indeed the connection I was looking for (given the dates, the older brother > Henry, and the coincidence of a Dwight and Henry of the proper ages both in > Assyria). Do you have any suggestions on how I might confirm this. > When is it appropriate to add these ancestors to my tree. Is there an > etiquette regarding how much confirmation one should have. As I said, I am a > genealogy newby. Again, I greatly appreciate your help. > > Robin ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== GEN-NEWBIE-L: No question is too elementary and the atmosphere is relaxed & friendly. GEN-NEWBIE-D: This list is the digest mode for GEN-NEWBIE-L. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

These two LDS sources are not extractions ( from official records). They are both submissions. They are meaningless as far as proof and can only be used as a guide as to where you might be able to find information. So often these submissions are flat out wrong. When I worked at the library we had people that did these so that these dead people could be baptized ( and one of these below was a baptism). One of these women would find a name and pray over it and voila, it fit. The other, every same surname that she found, she was able to fit into her family. No proof was necessary, it was the same surname. And both of these people have a tremendous number of submissions included in the LDS lists. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thurmon E King" <thurmonking@juno.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Dwight Sackett - need parents > Robin: > > I think the information you had came from another database on World > Connect #:11466 by a Drummond. It has the one son named Otis Eugene born > in 1848. > > I have found another problem concerning the marriage of Dwight Sackett > and Caroline A. Bolton. Some sources have Dwights birth as 1824 > Worcester, MA and his marriage there in 1844. It appears that the > information there came from the LDS IGI. Files there have two dates and > two different sources cited: > (1). Dwight Sackett; Male > Marriage: 15 MAR 1824 Of, Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts > Source Information: Film Number: 183515; Page Number: 254; Reference > number: 9190 > (2). DWIGHT SACKETT; Male > Spouse: CHARLOTTE E. WILSON > Marriage: 15 MAR 1844 Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts > Source Information: Batch Number: 7130128; Sheet: 14 ; Source Call No.: > 0538998; Type: Film > > It is not clear whether these films are of original records, or are of > contributed data. From the information above it appears that there is a > problem with the information found on the films. Another problem relates > to the name of his wife. The 2nd source gives the name of Dwight's bride > as Charlotte E. Wilson. But the 1850 and 1870 censuses give the name of > his wife as Caroline A. Sackett. Mary Lou Sackett has the marriage date > and place as March 01, 1845, Brattleboro, Windham Co., VT. > > Mary Lou would have more information about finding records in MI than I > do. But if one could get a copy of Dwight's death certificate some > valuable information can be gained from it. > > The answer to question about when it is appropriate to add an individual > to your family tree depends upon who is giving the answer. > > Generally a connection should be a tentative connection until it is > proven by source documents. The purists generally insist upon having > documentation from primary source documents. And insist upon viewing the > document, or image of the document themselves. With the older > handwritten documents this is important because letters in the words can > easily be transcribed incorrectly and another person reading the same > document can read it correctly. So research done by others should be > double checked to make sure it is correct. > > Those of us on the SACKETT-L and members of TSFA are tryiing to correct > errors in Weygant's book and add information and sources that he did not > supply. At the same time we are compiling information on as many Sackett > descendants as possible. > > So the purists "grit their teeth" at the kind of work I am doing. I make > tentative connections and then look to others to help with finding the > sources and inform me of any errors I may have posted. I do this because > information comes in from others in such a large quantity that I am not > able to access and view the source documents myself. > > But, as you have noticed, I do check the data for inconsistencies and > look for clues. > > Thurmon > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:29:43 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> > writes: > > I understand. I also assumed that Eugene had died in infancy. I > believe I > > had taken the birth dates from another researchers tree and did not > notice > > the discrepancy until you pointed it out. I will look for confirmation > of > > the the date. > > > > I feel that it is likely that Dwight Sackett son of Asher Sackett Jr. > is > > indeed the connection I was looking for (given the dates, the older > brother > > Henry, and the coincidence of a Dwight and Henry of the proper ages > both in > > Assyria). Do you have any suggestions on how I might confirm this. > > When is it appropriate to add these ancestors to my tree. Is there an > > etiquette regarding how much confirmation one should have. As I said, I > am a > > genealogy newby. Again, I greatly appreciate your help. > > > > Robin > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > GEN-NEWBIE-L: No question is too elementary and the atmosphere is relaxed & friendly. GEN-NEWBIE-D: This list is the digest mode for GEN-NEWBIE-L. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Robin: I think the information you had came from another database on World Connect #:11466 by a Drummond. It has the one son named Otis Eugene born in 1848. I have found another problem concerning the marriage of Dwight Sackett and Caroline A. Bolton. Some sources have Dwights birth as 1824 Worcester, MA and his marriage there in 1844. It appears that the information there came from the LDS IGI. Files there have two dates and two different sources cited: (1). Dwight Sackett; Male Marriage: 15 MAR 1824 Of, Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts Source Information: Film Number: 183515; Page Number: 254; Reference number: 9190 (2). DWIGHT SACKETT; Male Spouse: CHARLOTTE E. WILSON Marriage: 15 MAR 1844 Leominster, Worcester, Massachusetts Source Information: Batch Number: 7130128; Sheet: 14 ; Source Call No.: 0538998; Type: Film It is not clear whether these films are of original records, or are of contributed data. From the information above it appears that there is a problem with the information found on the films. Another problem relates to the name of his wife. The 2nd source gives the name of Dwight's bride as Charlotte E. Wilson. But the 1850 and 1870 censuses give the name of his wife as Caroline A. Sackett. Mary Lou Sackett has the marriage date and place as March 01, 1845, Brattleboro, Windham Co., VT. Mary Lou would have more information about finding records in MI than I do. But if one could get a copy of Dwight's death certificate some valuable information can be gained from it. The answer to question about when it is appropriate to add an individual to your family tree depends upon who is giving the answer. Generally a connection should be a tentative connection until it is proven by source documents. The purists generally insist upon having documentation from primary source documents. And insist upon viewing the document, or image of the document themselves. With the older handwritten documents this is important because letters in the words can easily be transcribed incorrectly and another person reading the same document can read it correctly. So research done by others should be double checked to make sure it is correct. Those of us on the SACKETT-L and members of TSFA are tryiing to correct errors in Weygant's book and add information and sources that he did not supply. At the same time we are compiling information on as many Sackett descendants as possible. So the purists "grit their teeth" at the kind of work I am doing. I make tentative connections and then look to others to help with finding the sources and inform me of any errors I may have posted. I do this because information comes in from others in such a large quantity that I am not able to access and view the source documents myself. But, as you have noticed, I do check the data for inconsistencies and look for clues. Thurmon On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:29:43 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> writes: > I understand. I also assumed that Eugene had died in infancy. I believe I > had taken the birth dates from another researchers tree and did not notice > the discrepancy until you pointed it out. I will look for confirmation of > the the date. > > I feel that it is likely that Dwight Sackett son of Asher Sackett Jr. is > indeed the connection I was looking for (given the dates, the older brother > Henry, and the coincidence of a Dwight and Henry of the proper ages both in > Assyria). Do you have any suggestions on how I might confirm this. > When is it appropriate to add these ancestors to my tree. Is there an > etiquette regarding how much confirmation one should have. As I said, I am a > genealogy newby. Again, I greatly appreciate your help. > > Robin

I understand. I also assumed that Eugene had died in infancy. I believe I had taken the birth dates from another researchers tree and did not notice the discrepancy until you pointed it out. I will look for confirmation of the the date. I feel that it is likely that Dwight Sackett son of Asher Sackett Jr. is indeed the connection I was looking for (given the dates, the older brother Henry, and the coincidence of a Dwight and Henry of the proper ages both in Assyria). Do you have any suggestions on how I might confirm this. When is it appropriate to add these ancestors to my tree. Is there an etiquette regarding how much confirmation one should have. As I said, I am a genealogy newby. Again, I greatly appreciate your help. Robin on 1/23/04 2:41 PM, Thurmon E King at thurmonking@juno.com wrote: > Robin: > > I was not saying that I am positive that there were two sons Eugene and > Otis rather than one son named Otis Eugene. But I was saying that the > 1868 birth date is questionable although other researchers are using that > date and the age of Otis in the 1880 census SUGGESTS that there were two > different sons. It would pay to check the birth records. > > Thurmon > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:51:07 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> > writes: >> Thank you for pointing out my mistakes. I'll correct them as soon as >> I can. >> And again, thank you for your help. >> >> Robin >> >> on 1/22/04 3:21 PM, Thurmon E King at thurmonking@juno.com wrote: >> >>> Robin: >>> >>> Thank you for sending the information you have. The more >> information we >>> get, the easier it is for us to help others make their >> connections. >>> >>> I've run across a problem with what you have for the children of >> Dwight >>> Augustus Sackett and Almeda Jane Holton. You have the first son >> as Otis >>> Eugene SACKETT was born 28 Oct 1868 in Assyria, MI >>> >>> In the 1870 census the son Eugene is less than 1 year old which >> would >>> mean that he would not have been born in 1868. The second problem >>> concerns the age of Otis in the 1880 census where he is listed as >> being 9 >>> years old. That makes quite an age difference. I had assumed that >> Eugene >>> and Otis were two different individuals and that Eugene had died >> before >>> 1880. >>> ---- >>> 1870 Census; Assyria, Barry Co., MI >>> Roll: 661; Page 34 >>> 96/99 >>> Sackett, Eugene [son] 8/12 m b. MI >>> ---- >>> 1880 Census; Emmet, Calhoun, Michigan >>> Film T9-0575 Page 221D >>> Otis SACKETT Son M S W 9 MI At Home MA NY >>> >>> You also have Lewellen Sackett (b. 1856) listed as a child of Earl >> H. >>> Sackett (8 May 1888) Hmmm !!! >>> >>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:05:47 -0800 Robin Smith >> <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> >>> writes: >>>> Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I am only too happy to share >> what >>>> little I know. I find this all quite amazing considering that two >> weeks >>> ago I >>>> didn't even know the name of my grandfather and now I have this >>> tremendous >>>> family tree. It is very exciting. In any case, I am very new to >> the >>> study of >>>> genealogy so please bear with me . . . >>> <CLIPPED> >>>> Robin Sackett Smith >>> >>> >>> ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >>> RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set >> your >>> email software to text only before posting a message to the list. >>> >>> ============================== >>> Gain access to over two billion names including the new >> Immigration >>> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >> RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set >> your >> email software to text only before posting a message to the list. >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set your > email software to text only before posting a message to the list. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Robin: I was not saying that I am positive that there were two sons Eugene and Otis rather than one son named Otis Eugene. But I was saying that the 1868 birth date is questionable although other researchers are using that date and the age of Otis in the 1880 census SUGGESTS that there were two different sons. It would pay to check the birth records. Thurmon On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:51:07 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> writes: > Thank you for pointing out my mistakes. I'll correct them as soon as > I can. > And again, thank you for your help. > > Robin > > on 1/22/04 3:21 PM, Thurmon E King at thurmonking@juno.com wrote: > > > Robin: > > > > Thank you for sending the information you have. The more > information we > > get, the easier it is for us to help others make their > connections. > > > > I've run across a problem with what you have for the children of > Dwight > > Augustus Sackett and Almeda Jane Holton. You have the first son > as Otis > > Eugene SACKETT was born 28 Oct 1868 in Assyria, MI > > > > In the 1870 census the son Eugene is less than 1 year old which > would > > mean that he would not have been born in 1868. The second problem > > concerns the age of Otis in the 1880 census where he is listed as > being 9 > > years old. That makes quite an age difference. I had assumed that > Eugene > > and Otis were two different individuals and that Eugene had died > before > > 1880. > > ---- > > 1870 Census; Assyria, Barry Co., MI > > Roll: 661; Page 34 > > 96/99 > > Sackett, Eugene [son] 8/12 m b. MI > > ---- > > 1880 Census; Emmet, Calhoun, Michigan > > Film T9-0575 Page 221D > > Otis SACKETT Son M S W 9 MI At Home MA NY > > > > You also have Lewellen Sackett (b. 1856) listed as a child of Earl > H. > > Sackett (8 May 1888) Hmmm !!! > > > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:05:47 -0800 Robin Smith > <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> > > writes: > >> Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I am only too happy to share > what > >> little I know. I find this all quite amazing considering that two > weeks > > ago I > >> didn't even know the name of my grandfather and now I have this > > tremendous > >> family tree. It is very exciting. In any case, I am very new to > the > > study of > >> genealogy so please bear with me . . . > > <CLIPPED> > >> Robin Sackett Smith > > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set > your > > email software to text only before posting a message to the list. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set > your > email software to text only before posting a message to the list. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Thank you for pointing out my mistakes. I'll correct them as soon as I can. And again, thank you for your help. Robin on 1/22/04 3:21 PM, Thurmon E King at thurmonking@juno.com wrote: > Robin: > > Thank you for sending the information you have. The more information we > get, the easier it is for us to help others make their connections. > > I've run across a problem with what you have for the children of Dwight > Augustus Sackett and Almeda Jane Holton. You have the first son as Otis > Eugene SACKETT was born 28 Oct 1868 in Assyria, MI > > In the 1870 census the son Eugene is less than 1 year old which would > mean that he would not have been born in 1868. The second problem > concerns the age of Otis in the 1880 census where he is listed as being 9 > years old. That makes quite an age difference. I had assumed that Eugene > and Otis were two different individuals and that Eugene had died before > 1880. > ---- > 1870 Census; Assyria, Barry Co., MI > Roll: 661; Page 34 > 96/99 > Sackett, Eugene [son] 8/12 m b. MI > ---- > 1880 Census; Emmet, Calhoun, Michigan > Film T9-0575 Page 221D > Otis SACKETT Son M S W 9 MI At Home MA NY > > You also have Lewellen Sackett (b. 1856) listed as a child of Earl H. > Sackett (8 May 1888) Hmmm !!! > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:05:47 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> > writes: >> Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I am only too happy to share what >> little I know. I find this all quite amazing considering that two weeks > ago I >> didn't even know the name of my grandfather and now I have this > tremendous >> family tree. It is very exciting. In any case, I am very new to the > study of >> genealogy so please bear with me . . . > <CLIPPED> >> Robin Sackett Smith > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. Be sure to set your > email software to text only before posting a message to the list. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Robin: Thank you for sending the information you have. The more information we get, the easier it is for us to help others make their connections. I've run across a problem with what you have for the children of Dwight Augustus Sackett and Almeda Jane Holton. You have the first son as Otis Eugene SACKETT was born 28 Oct 1868 in Assyria, MI In the 1870 census the son Eugene is less than 1 year old which would mean that he would not have been born in 1868. The second problem concerns the age of Otis in the 1880 census where he is listed as being 9 years old. That makes quite an age difference. I had assumed that Eugene and Otis were two different individuals and that Eugene had died before 1880. ---- 1870 Census; Assyria, Barry Co., MI Roll: 661; Page 34 96/99 Sackett, Eugene [son] 8/12 m b. MI ---- 1880 Census; Emmet, Calhoun, Michigan Film T9-0575 Page 221D Otis SACKETT Son M S W 9 MI At Home MA NY You also have Lewellen Sackett (b. 1856) listed as a child of Earl H. Sackett (8 May 1888) Hmmm !!! On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:05:47 -0800 Robin Smith <unsackett@sbcglobal.net> writes: > Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I am only too happy to share what > little I know. I find this all quite amazing considering that two weeks ago I > didn't even know the name of my grandfather and now I have this tremendous > family tree. It is very exciting. In any case, I am very new to the study of > genealogy so please bear with me . . . <CLIPPED> > Robin Sackett Smith