Chris, I know that it sounds bad but usually means that the birth was recorded later, not that the birth itself was delayed :-D Liesa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Sackett Births in Wisconsin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kari Roehl" <kariroehl@charter.net> > > Here's an extraction of births in Fond du Lac County Wisconsin including > some delayed births. Hope someone can use it. > > > > Ray Marston 11/9/1883 Parents Henry & Cora Marston Sackett 3/247 > > Edwin Hiram 6/13/1883 Howard Treat & Harriet Brown > Sackett 22/270 > <snipped> > > Kari, > > Thanks for researching and posting these records. I take it the numbers > after the parents' names are reference numbers? Volume? Page number? > > What is a delayed birth? Sounds painful. > > Chris > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > If you haven't already, please send in your introduction to the list. > For examples, visit http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

As a descendant of Gov. Bradford of the Mayflower, I would like to clarify some information given. The Pilgrim descendants are very particular that they not be confused with the Puritans. They were Separatists, true. They left Scrooby and went to Leiden, Holland to escape persecution. The concern they had there was that their children were learning to be be Dutch and were losing their English Heritage. There is speculation that they knew they were off-course and landed in Cape Cod on purpose. They were very tolerant and did not require that everyone attend their church. They wore brightly-colored clothes when they could. They enjoyed singing and dancing. They were nothing like the Puritans in these areas. The Pilgrim name was given much later. The Mayflower Compact was probably one of the most far-reaching documents of the time in terms of how they were to govern themselves. They lived very peacefully with the Indians for many years until King Philip's War, which lasted a short duration. Then peace settled in again. I don't contribute much as my Sackett line is short -- Mary Sackett m. Alexander McKay -- but I love to read the 'chatter' about the line. There are some really interesting people. As to the above, I just wanted to set the record straight. If anyone in the Seth McKay-Larissa Lamb descent wants to know how to connect to Gov. Bradford, I'd be pleased to send you the connection. Thanks, Mary Lou Petrie California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thurmon E King" <thurmonking@juno.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Thomas Hooker & his church > Tom and All: > > For the past few weeks I have been reading up on the beginnings of the > settlement of America and some of the events in England which led up to > the Great Migration. As Tom stated, there were different motives with > each group which came over to America from England. > > Although some of the settlements, and attempts at settling prior to 1620 > were primarily commercial enterprises the settlement of Plymouth by the > Pilgrams on the Mayflower in 1620 and many of those who followed them > were motivated by their religious beliefs and getting away from being > persecuted in England. > > Briefly, the Church of England had been established by King Henry VIII > when he essentially took control of the Roman Catholic Church in England. > About the only he thing changed was who controlled the Church of England > and its money ... The King instead of the Pope in Rome. However the > Reformation in Europe brought about a rise in congregationalism which > believed that each local church should have control of their own affairs > rather than having the decisions handed down from authorities above them. > Some sought to reform the Church of England while remaining within it > while others advocated separation from the Church. Ministers who > advocated the congregational approach were often removed from their > churches, imprisoned, or forced to flee to Holland. > > The Scooby congregation were Puritan Separatists who migrated to Holland > to escape persecution but found that the Dutch were too tolerant to suit > them. Their children were becomming Dutch. And most of the employment > open to them was low paying work. They made an agreement with a London > company of merchants to loan them the mony to make the voyage to Virginia > [which extended north to the vicinity of New York] and the loan would be > repaid by setting up a fishing industry. They went off course and landed > at Cape Cod, decided to stay there, and founded Plymouth although they > were essentially "squatters" there. > > Most of the other migrating congregations were Puritans who had hoped to > reform the Church of England but gave up hope of accomplishing reform > when King Charles I came to power in 1625 and in 1628 appointed William > Loud as Bishop of London and Archbishop of Canerbury in 1633. William > Loud was an enthusiastic enforcer of Church [and the king's] law and > deprived Puritan ministers of their pulpits and cut off their income. > > In 1626 Rev. John White of Dorchester, England formed a company to settle > at Salem, MA and in 1628 about fifty of this company landed at Salem and > chose John Endicott as their governor. They set up a Congregational > system of church government based on a covenant. This group was absorbed > into the Massachusetts Bay Colony. > > Also in 1628 a number of prominent congregational Puritans bought their > way into a group called the New England Company. It took over the rights > of the Dorchester Adventurers and obtained a charter from the Council for > New England authorizing settlement in the area known as Massachusetts > Bay. In March 1629 the New England Company reorganized as the > Massachusetts Bay Company and had it proprietary and governmental rights > confirmed by the new charter obtained directly from the king. This > charter made no mention of where the company meetings were to be held. > So, in 1629 the Puritans transferred the company to Massachusetts thereby > making it a self governing colony. All new groups coming into the > jurisdiction of the Massachusetts Bay Company were required to obtain > right ot settle from them. > > While it is true that the Puritans came to America for religious freedom > ... they were seeking freedom to worship as THEY believed and were > intolerant of those who disagreed with them. For this reason Thomas > Hooker obtained permission to move to Connecticut where he founded > Hartford. > > In 1637 Rev. John Davenport from St Stephens in London came to > Massachusetts and although Winthrop wanted him and his congregation to > remain in Massachusetts he declined because of the theological > disagreements that were upsetting the churches in that area. Davenport's > group obtained permission to settle in Connecticut and in 1638 they > founded New Haven. From the time Davenport's group landed in Boston and > their move to New Haven, their number almost doubled mainly from people > who were dissatisfied with the political and religious situation there. > > Thurmon King > TSFA Historian > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tsfa/ > http://freepages.books.rootsweb.com/~teking/ > > On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:43:39 -0500 "Tom Smith" <tsmith26@comcast.net> > writes: > > The following are excerpts from,Hartfords First Church, Rockwell > > Harmon Potter: The 16th Minister, Case, Lockwood & Brainard Co., > > Hartford, CT, Printer, Ist Church of Christ Hartford, Publishers. > > > > "The First Church of Christ in Hartford had its origin in Old > > England. It was born in the Puritan Movement among the churches of > > Essex County .......... > > > > The Reformation had been at work among earnest and eager spirits in > > these churches for more than a generation. Throughout the spacious > > days of Queen Elizabeth the spirit and purpose of the new and freer > > forms of the Christian faith had been moving toward expression in > > shaping the organization and procedure of the ancient churches in > > the towns and countryside. .......... > > In the third decade of that great seventeenth century Thomas Hooker, > > a Fellow of Emmanuel College of Cambridge, was asked to serve as > > lecturer in the ancient parish Church of St. Mary's at Chelmsford. > > He had been a diligent and faithful student in his course at > > Emmanuel and upon his graduation had been appointed to a fellowship, > > one of the duties of which was to serve as occasional lecturer in > > parishes within the reach of Cambridge where his services might be > > desired........ > > Accordingly when ecclesiastical authority denied the continuance of > > this ministry to the church in Chelmsford, these who had been won to > > it sought some means by which they might have this privilege granted > > to them for the future. The news had come to them of the new world > > overseas which was being opened to English settlers, and in which > > there was the opportunity for a larger economic life, for political > > freedom and for a religious liberty, which they came to feel they > > could not enjoy in the church of their birth and early training. > <CLIPPED> > > > > I found it interesting that this group seem to have come for their > > own reasons, instead of at the behest of Gov. Winthrop. It would > > also appear that Simon Sackett may have been part of this grand plan > > to establish a new church before they left England. It also speaks > > to a timeframe for Simon's arrival. > > > > If any one is interested, I can send the whole 1st chapter Hartfords > > First Church, as an attachment. It is pages. > > > > Tom Smith > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. 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Chris: I did a search of the FHL Library Catalog online and came up with this title Title History of Western Massachusetts : the counties of Hampden, Hampshire, Franklin, and Berkshire, embracing an outline or general history of the section, an account of its scientific aspects and leading interests, and separate histories of its one hundred towns Stmnt.Resp. Josiah Gilbert Holland Authors Holland, Josiah Gilbert, 1819-1881 (Main Author) History of western Massachusetts : the counties of Hampden, Hampshire, Franklin, and Berkshire; embracing an outline, or general history, of the section, an account of its scientific aspects and leading interests, and separate histories of its one hundred towns; vol. 2, part 3 Holland, Josiah Gilbert, 1819-1881 Master index to History of western Massachusetts, volumes I and II : (counties of Hampden, Hampshire, Franklin and Berkshire), by Josiah Gilb ert Holland, 1855 Holland, Josiah Gilbert, 1819-1881, History of western Massachusetts Notes Reprint, with indexes. Originally published: Springfield [Mass.] : Samuel Bowles and Company, 1855.Includes full-name index in each volume.Library's copy of v. 1 has the first 96 pages of v. 2 following after its own pages. Subjects Massachusetts, Hampden - History Massachusetts, Hampshire - History Massachusetts, Franklin - History Massachusetts, Berkshire - History ---------- It is possible that the part of the title Linda gave: " Woronoco, The Present Westfield" is the chapter name. Regards, Thurmon On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:51:42 +0100 "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> writes: > Is Linda Lewis still on the List? > > If so, could you kindly give me full details of the book in which you found > the story about Chief Sackett, the alleged son of Elizabeth Sackett (w15)? > Your post of 27 Jun 1999 (I'm gradually catching up with my correspondence!) > quoted an extrtact from "Western Massachusetts History: Woronoco, The Present Westfield". Do you also have the author, publisher, and date published? > > Regards, > Chris Sackett > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > If you haven't already, please send in your introduction to the > list. > For examples, visit > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Here's an extraction of births in Fond du Lac County Wisconsin including some delayed births. Hope someone can use it. Ray Marston 11/9/1883 Parents Henry & Cora Marston Sackett 3/247 Edwin Hiram 6/13/1883 Howard Treat & Harriet Brown Sackett 22/270 Male Unnamed 12/30/1885 Henry & Cora Marston Sackett 3/320 Arthur James 1/9/1886 Howard Treat & Harriet Brown Sackett 1935/310 (states was born in Talluridge OH and died in 1912) Female Unnamed 1/9/1887 Dr Sackett (Dentist) No mother named 4/174 Clarence Arthur 9/23/1894 Clarence A & Sarah E Muttart Sackett 10/165 Harold Wilbur 1/1/1897 Clarence Albert & Sarah Elizabeth Muttart Sackett 57/381 Ruth Eliza 2/21/1899 Howard Treat & Hattie Brown Sackett 1935/31 Pearl Elizabeth 8/28/1901 Austin & Mary Hicken Sackett 57/251 Floyd Henry 8/30/1902 Austin & Mary Hicken Sackett 13/163 Male Unnamed 11/23/1903 Austin & Mary Hicken Sackett 13/397 (his name is Percy) Clifford Wallace 4/5/1904 Clarence Albert & Sarah Elizabeth Muttart Sackett 76/292 Ruth Eraline 10/29/1906 Austin Sackett -No mother named 15/50 Herbert Donald 4/28/1909 Herbert & Inez Loomis Sackett 1909/843 Inez Cecile 12/18/1910 Herbert & Inez Loomis Sackett 1909-10/1153 Births then jump to 1923. The above mentioned Pearl Elizabeth is the line I am researching. Thanks. Kari Roehl

Is Linda Lewis still on the List? If so, could you kindly give me full details of the book in which you found the story about Chief Sackett, the alleged son of Elizabeth Sackett (w15)? Your post of 27 Jun 1999 (I'm gradually catching up with my correspondence!) quoted an extrtact from "Western Massachusetts History: Woronoco, The Present Westfield". Do you also have the author, publisher, and date published? Regards, Chris Sackett

Chris; From the sources I have read to date I am not sure that there was a close relationship between Thomas Hooker and his associates and John Davenport and his associates. As stated in the post by Tom it appears that Thomas Hooker was from the vicinity of Cambridge while Davenport was located in London. Thomas Hooker had arrived in Massachusetts and had been installed as minister in Newtown, MA in 1633. He had departed with his group in 1636. This was a year before Davenport arrived in Boston. There are many things I have not gotten straight in my mind. But I'm still working on them as I study the history of the devlopment of New England before the Revolutionary War. One point which relates to John Sackett of New Haven has to do with the form of government which was set up by the Massachusetts Bay Company and was followed to varying degrees by those who founded the new towns. The Massachussets Bay Company and those involved in the settlement of New England under their jurisdiction were Puritan reformers who considered themselves to be setting up a purified Church of England in New England. Those who became "freemen" in the colony were required to take an oath of fidelity to the church. The only voting members of the colony were the church members of voting age. Now, as this relates to John Sackett of New Haven; he took the oath of fidelity on 1 Jul 1644. During that time the age of maturity was 21. This would indicate that John was at least 21 years old in 1644. This would place his birth as 1623 or before. The 4 Aug 1641 court case stating that John Sackett was a servant to Mrs. Stolyon indicates that on that date he was an indentured servant. Using 1623 as the birth year for John, he would have been about 17, or older, at this time. Therefore, it would appear that between 1641 and 1644 our John Sackett reached maturity and then took the oath of fidelity. The main questions would be where Mrs. Stolyon came from when she arrived in New Haven and where was she located when John Sackett became her indentured servant? Concerning Weygant's account of 2-John Sackett, Sr. travelling to Rhode Island with Roger Williams in 1636 and later being in New Haven there is a problem of theology involved. Roger Williams was advocating the separation of church and state and teaching that the civil magistrates had no power over man's religion. This view was more repugnant to the Puritan leadership than Roger's contention that that the British had no right to confiscate the Indian lands as their own. When Roger Williams was banished in 1635, he negotiated with the natives for the land where he founded Provicence, RI. There was not a church founded in Providence until about 1639 when twelve members were rebaptized, including Willaims. This is considered by some to be the beginning of churches following Baptist principles in America; among which are separation of church and state and believer's baptism. Back to 2-John Sackett of Weygant's account; IF he was in America and had gone from Massachusetts to RI with Roger Williams it would be assumed that he agreed with the teaching of Williams. Then why would he have migrated to the new colony at New Haven where church and state were united? How is that for asking more questions than I answer? Thurmon TSFA Historian "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> wrote: >Thurmon (& Tom & All), > >Many thanks for your post about Thomas Hooker and other early settlers in >Massachusetts and Connecticut. An aspect I am unclear about is the >relationship between the Hooker migrants who went from Newtown to Hartford >and the other settlers who founded New Haven. My interest here relates, of >course, to John Sackett of New Haven (and perhaps an elder John) who Weygant >believed emigrated with Simon the colonist. I believe the earliest record we >have of John of New Haven is that of the court case of 4 August 1641 when >"John Seckett servant to Mrs. Stolyon for goeing about to slaunder and >reproach his said Mrs, was admonished to tender to his Mrs such satisfaction >as she might accept, wch was referred to Mr. Goodyeare to determine." > >The family tradition as recorded by Weygant has the alleged John Sr and his >three-year-old son John Jr travelling to Boston with Simon on the February >1631 Lyon and then eventually finding his way to New Haven after a period in >the company of Roger Williams at Plymouth and Rhode Island. However, we have >no other research evidence to support this tradition and it would seem >equally possible that John Sackett of New Haven arrived with the Davenport >company of 1638. > >Regards, >Chris > > >==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== >To Subscribe to the digest, SACKETT-D, address your email to: >sackett-d-request@rootsweb.com and type: SUBSCRIBE. Remember to >unsubscribe yourself from sackett-l or you will get multiple copies! > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > -- Thurmon Accurate Information Is Our Goal. __________________________________________________________________ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! 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Thurmon (& Tom & All), Many thanks for your post about Thomas Hooker and other early settlers in Massachusetts and Connecticut. An aspect I am unclear about is the relationship between the Hooker migrants who went from Newtown to Hartford and the other settlers who founded New Haven. My interest here relates, of course, to John Sackett of New Haven (and perhaps an elder John) who Weygant believed emigrated with Simon the colonist. I believe the earliest record we have of John of New Haven is that of the court case of 4 August 1641 when "John Seckett servant to Mrs. Stolyon for goeing about to slaunder and reproach his said Mrs, was admonished to tender to his Mrs such satisfaction as she might accept, wch was referred to Mr. Goodyeare to determine." The family tradition as recorded by Weygant has the alleged John Sr and his three-year-old son John Jr travelling to Boston with Simon on the February 1631 Lyon and then eventually finding his way to New Haven after a period in the company of Roger Williams at Plymouth and Rhode Island. However, we have no other research evidence to support this tradition and it would seem equally possible that John Sackett of New Haven arrived with the Davenport company of 1638. Regards, Chris

Correction to earlier message > I wrote: > The Constitution is not yet posted on a website but will be soon* when we > get a TSFA website online. > > Chris Sackett > Registrar > The Sackett Family Association I was forgetting that Thurmon has posted the Constitution and other TSFA matter on his TSFA Historian's website at - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tsfa/ Chris

Tom and All: For the past few weeks I have been reading up on the beginnings of the settlement of America and some of the events in England which led up to the Great Migration. As Tom stated, there were different motives with each group which came over to America from England. Although some of the settlements, and attempts at settling prior to 1620 were primarily commercial enterprises the settlement of Plymouth by the Pilgrams on the Mayflower in 1620 and many of those who followed them were motivated by their religious beliefs and getting away from being persecuted in England. Briefly, the Church of England had been established by King Henry VIII when he essentially took control of the Roman Catholic Church in England. About the only he thing changed was who controlled the Church of England and its money ... The King instead of the Pope in Rome. However the Reformation in Europe brought about a rise in congregationalism which believed that each local church should have control of their own affairs rather than having the decisions handed down from authorities above them. Some sought to reform the Church of England while remaining within it while others advocated separation from the Church. Ministers who advocated the congregational approach were often removed from their churches, imprisoned, or forced to flee to Holland. The Scooby congregation were Puritan Separatists who migrated to Holland to escape persecution but found that the Dutch were too tolerant to suit them. Their children were becomming Dutch. And most of the employment open to them was low paying work. They made an agreement with a London company of merchants to loan them the mony to make the voyage to Virginia [which extended north to the vicinity of New York] and the loan would be repaid by setting up a fishing industry. They went off course and landed at Cape Cod, decided to stay there, and founded Plymouth although they were essentially "squatters" there. Most of the other migrating congregations were Puritans who had hoped to reform the Church of England but gave up hope of accomplishing reform when King Charles I came to power in 1625 and in 1628 appointed William Loud as Bishop of London and Archbishop of Canerbury in 1633. William Loud was an enthusiastic enforcer of Church [and the king's] law and deprived Puritan ministers of their pulpits and cut off their income. In 1626 Rev. John White of Dorchester, England formed a company to settle at Salem, MA and in 1628 about fifty of this company landed at Salem and chose John Endicott as their governor. They set up a Congregational system of church government based on a covenant. This group was absorbed into the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Also in 1628 a number of prominent congregational Puritans bought their way into a group called the New England Company. It took over the rights of the Dorchester Adventurers and obtained a charter from the Council for New England authorizing settlement in the area known as Massachusetts Bay. In March 1629 the New England Company reorganized as the Massachusetts Bay Company and had it proprietary and governmental rights confirmed by the new charter obtained directly from the king. This charter made no mention of where the company meetings were to be held. So, in 1629 the Puritans transferred the company to Massachusetts thereby making it a self governing colony. All new groups coming into the jurisdiction of the Massachusetts Bay Company were required to obtain right ot settle from them. While it is true that the Puritans came to America for religious freedom ... they were seeking freedom to worship as THEY believed and were intolerant of those who disagreed with them. For this reason Thomas Hooker obtained permission to move to Connecticut where he founded Hartford. In 1637 Rev. John Davenport from St Stephens in London came to Massachusetts and although Winthrop wanted him and his congregation to remain in Massachusetts he declined because of the theological disagreements that were upsetting the churches in that area. Davenport's group obtained permission to settle in Connecticut and in 1638 they founded New Haven. From the time Davenport's group landed in Boston and their move to New Haven, their number almost doubled mainly from people who were dissatisfied with the political and religious situation there. Thurmon King TSFA Historian http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tsfa/ http://freepages.books.rootsweb.com/~teking/ On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:43:39 -0500 "Tom Smith" <tsmith26@comcast.net> writes: > The following are excerpts from,Hartfords First Church, Rockwell > Harmon Potter: The 16th Minister, Case, Lockwood & Brainard Co., > Hartford, CT, Printer, Ist Church of Christ Hartford, Publishers. > > "The First Church of Christ in Hartford had its origin in Old > England. It was born in the Puritan Movement among the churches of > Essex County .......... > > The Reformation had been at work among earnest and eager spirits in > these churches for more than a generation. Throughout the spacious > days of Queen Elizabeth the spirit and purpose of the new and freer > forms of the Christian faith had been moving toward expression in > shaping the organization and procedure of the ancient churches in > the towns and countryside. .......... > In the third decade of that great seventeenth century Thomas Hooker, > a Fellow of Emmanuel College of Cambridge, was asked to serve as > lecturer in the ancient parish Church of St. Mary's at Chelmsford. > He had been a diligent and faithful student in his course at > Emmanuel and upon his graduation had been appointed to a fellowship, > one of the duties of which was to serve as occasional lecturer in > parishes within the reach of Cambridge where his services might be > desired........ > Accordingly when ecclesiastical authority denied the continuance of > this ministry to the church in Chelmsford, these who had been won to > it sought some means by which they might have this privilege granted > to them for the future. The news had come to them of the new world > overseas which was being opened to English settlers, and in which > there was the opportunity for a larger economic life, for political > freedom and for a religious liberty, which they came to feel they > could not enjoy in the church of their birth and early training. <CLIPPED> > > I found it interesting that this group seem to have come for their > own reasons, instead of at the behest of Gov. Winthrop. It would > also appear that Simon Sackett may have been part of this grand plan > to establish a new church before they left England. It also speaks > to a timeframe for Simon's arrival. > > If any one is interested, I can send the whole 1st chapter Hartfords > First Church, as an attachment. It is pages. > > Tom Smith

> Bill Sackett wrote: > As a new member of TSFA, I was not aware of the Constitution. Is it posted > somewhere? > I have sent Bill a copy of the TSFA Constitution as an attached file. Are there other members who do not have a copy? The Constitution is not yet posted on a website but will be soon* when we get a TSFA website online. Chris Sackett Registrar The Sackett Family Association * "soon" in this context means a few weeks - say by the end of the month.

Thanks Chris. Once again I can't believe all the hard work you and all the founding members have done! My thanks to you all. Bill

As a new member of TSFA, I was not aware of the Constitution. Is it posted somewhere?

Kari and all, Not to confuse anyone, especially new subscribers. Currently there are three web sites where information is noted when received. SACKETT-L Discussion List has a Subscriber link in the Table of Contents that listed brief "introductions" to subscribers; lineages. The main page is at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett/ When you first subscribe, it is requested that you send a brief intro to be listed here. In Salt Lake City, Chris Sackett and I discussed the possibility of getting rid of this page with the development of the Register. However, those who do not choose to join TSFA would have no listing unless the Subscribers link is not kept up-to-date. So currently, there are three web sites associated with SACKETT-L and TSFA and before we are through there will probably be more. Better more than not at all!! Later...Nancy Nancy Cluff Siders TSFA President and List Admin for: CLUFF-L, COUNTRYMAN-L, LETSON-L, MCKAY-ELKENNY-L, SACKETT-L, SIDERS-L To forget one's ancestor is to be a brook without a source, A tree without a root. ~Chinese proverb -----Original Message----- From: Kari Roehl [mailto:kariroehl@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 5:17 PM To: SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SACKETT-L] submissions Thanks! Now that I understand that there are two of you, I am happy to inform you both. I will post on the discussion list what I want shared with the general public. Once I found myself and my husband as well as his living parent posted on someone's website. They removed my husband and myself at my request, but refused to remove my father in law. I have been a bit shy of giving information after that. Kari

On This Day in 1754 was born - Samuel Sacket MD 1754-1833, of East Greenwich, Connecticut, and Fayette County, Pennsylvania, surgeon in the Revolutionary Army, son of Reuben Sacket and Mercy (Finney) Sacket. Brief details are - Samuel Sacket ID.Gen.Tree=7301.662.6N.7 Born: 5 April 1754, East Greenwich, Connecticut. Married first: Sarah Manning, 10 February 1777, Sharon, Connecticut. Sarah died circa 1813. Married second: Eve Stanz, 10 January 1819, Fayette County, Pennsylvania. Died: 13 February 1833, Fayette County, Pennsylvania. Sacketts of America: p160. Research pages: Sackett Family Association descendants of Samuel Sacket MD. Sharon Allen. Carroll M Lawson. Debra Leffler Streeter. Children of Samuel Sacket MD and Sarah (Manning) Sacket: 4 sons, 6 daughters. More information - Thurmon King has a wealth of data on Samuel Sackett MD (including images of a number of letters, a biographical sketch, and even the detail that, although Weygant gave him only one 't', Samuel himself signed his name with 'tt'). Thurmon's data is at - http://freepages.books.rootsweb.com/~teking/simon/pafg25.htm#3803 Thurmon - I notice that Weygant records that Samuel's farm was at a recent date (presumably late 1800s) in the possession of one of his descendants. Do we know who? Perhaps Carroll or one of the other descendants has something on this? Regards, Chris

> Kari Roehl wrote: > Hello All- Being relatively new to this family association, I am somewhat confused on who or where to submit my information to. Which website does it get posted on? Somethings I want kept confidential, others not. Thanks! Kari > Kari, We're all new to the Association! And we're feeling our way a bit at this early stage. I think I may have confused the issue somewhat by asking members to send data to me to be added to the Register of Members database which I am compiling in my capacity as Registrar. However, the main database of Sackett family material is kept by TSFA Historian Thurmon King. The best advice is to post your information on this Discussion List and then everybody gets to see it. I can pick up the data to record in the Register of Members and Thurmon can similarly use the data on his website. In any event, if I were to receive any new data I would copy it to Thurmon. And I know from his many posts that Thurmon is meticulous about sharing any new material he gets by posting to this Discussion List. Posting to the Discussion List also means that other members can update their own genealogy databases. As for the data you want kept confidential, just don't send it anywhere! While sharing information is one of the fundamental purposes of the Association, nobody is expected to reveal data that they would regard as confidential. My own policy is not to publish data on people born after 1900 unless that data is already on public record, for example in a book, or the descendants of the person concerned expressly request publication. If you have a load of material that you are still not sure what to do with please feel free to send it to me and I will help sort it out with you. We hope in the not too distant future to have an official Association website which will serve as a focal point for all Association matters, and hopefully reduce some of this confusion. Kind regards, Chris

Kari, You have learned something the hard way that I had trouble getting my dad to understand. I finally see how he was classified as "too trusting" at work years ago. Fortunately so far I have been able to control any possible damage but I still worry some day it will get out. You should probably have your father-in-law (or even some acting as him) write them and tell them to remove the information. If they continue to refuse not sure what you could do but I would be looking into it since it is very dangerous to have all that information out on the net. Liesa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kari Roehl" <kariroehl@charter.net> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [SACKETT-L] submissions > Thanks! Now that I understand that there are two of you, I am happy to inform you both. I will post on the discussion list what I want shared with the general public. Once I found myself and my husband as well as his living parent posted on someone's website. They removed my husband and myself at my request, but refused to remove my father in law. I have been a bit shy of giving information after that. > > Kari > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > Tried the RootsWeb Archives and Search Engine on the Web yet...? > http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks! Now that I understand that there are two of you, I am happy to inform you both. I will post on the discussion list what I want shared with the general public. Once I found myself and my husband as well as his living parent posted on someone's website. They removed my husband and myself at my request, but refused to remove my father in law. I have been a bit shy of giving information after that. Kari

Kari: There are actully two of us who are compiling SACKETT information. Although we are working on the same project and share information we maintain separate websites. Chris Sackett is researching and compiling information for Sacketts worldwide. Information compiled by Chris is found at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sackett/ and on the TSFA secure site accessed by TSFA members through a link at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett/ Chris does not publish information on living individuals other than those who might be the subject of published articles, or books. I am researching and compiling information for Sacketts in America. The information compiled by me is found found at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tsfa/ http://freepages.books.rootsweb.com/~teking/ I have been publishing the names of living individuals when that has been the expressed desire of those submitting information and even though detail information has been submitted for children born in the past year I have only posted the names. I do this by setting my software to remove detail information from individuals born in 1930 or later. Some who submit information withhold the the names of any living individuals. Thurmon King TSFA Historian On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:49:08 -0500 "Kari Roehl" <kariroehl@charter.net> writes: > Hello All- Being relatively new to this family association, I am > somewhat confused on who or where to submit my information to. Which > website does it get posted on? Somethings I want kept confidential, > others not. Thanks! Kari > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb WorldConnect Project and is located at: > <http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/press/worldconnect.html>. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Dean Roe & Other Listers, On This Day in 1730 was born - Sarah Sackett, of New Haven, Connecticut, daughter of Capt. & Deacon Samuel Sackett and Elisabeth (Todd) Sackett. My records show - Sarah (Sackett) Barnes ID.Gen.Tree=5781.251.5M.9 Born: 4 April 1730, New Haven, Connecticut.(1) Married: Daniel Barnes, 25 June 1752, New Haven.(2,3,4) Died: circa 1801. Sacketts of America: recorded but no biography. Sackett Ancestry: Sarah's ancestral Sackett line. John Sackett of New Haven c1628-1684 and Agnes (Tinkham) Sackett. Lieut John Sackett 1653-1703 and Mary (Woodin) Sackett. Capt. & Deacon Samuel Sackett 1703-1781 and Elisabeth (Todd) Sackett. Sarah Sackett 1730-c1801 Research pages: Sackett Family Association descendants of Sarah (Sackett) Barnes. Dean Roe. Children of Sarah (Sackett) Barnes and Daniel Barnes: Eli Barnes Jemima (Barnes) Pardee+ b. 8 Nov 1761 Sources: 1. New Haven Vital Records, 172, "Sarah the Daughter of Samll Sackitt was Born the 4th day of April 1730". (Weygant has 9 Apr.) 2. New Haven Vital Records, 323, "Dan Barns & Sarah Sackett of New Haven were Joyned in Marriage unto each other June 25th: 1752 by the Revd Mr Isaac Stiles Minister." 3. Weygant records a marriage to Samuel Moulthrop. 4. A marriage record in New Haven Vital Records, 320, reads "Samuel Gilbert & Sarah Sacket of New Haven were Joyned in Marriage upon ye Second Day of July 1750 by John Prout Esqr Justice of Peace." This marriage is unassigned. --------- Does anyone have more data on Sarah Sackett? I have two issues - 1. I am puzzled by the three possible marriages. Dean Roe's line includes Jemima Barnes b. 1761, daughter of Daniel Barnes & Sarah (Sackett) Barnes. This confirms that the Sarah Sackett of the Barnes/Sackett marriage was of childbearing age. But were there other Sarah Sacketts in New Haven at this time? As far as is known, there were only two Sarah Sacketts of childbearing age in New Haven at this time - this Sarah and Sarah (w259), daughter of w74 Jonathan Sackett & Ruth Hotchkiss. The latter Sarah is ruled out as the subject of any of the three marriages as she was married to Elisha Booth and had borne him a son in 1747, and was to bear him a daughter in 1755. It would seem that the Sarah Sacketts of the Moulthrop and Gilbert marriages were either additional Sarahs for whom birth records have not been found or were widows of Sacketts. I do not have records of any Sarah Sackett widows in New Haven at this time. Does anyone have any data/thoughts on this? Anyone know of any Moulthrop or Gilbert children? 2. I picked up from somewhere a death date for Sarah of circa 1801. Any ideas where this may have come from? Regards, Chris

Hello All- Being relatively new to this family association, I am somewhat confused on who or where to submit my information to. Which website does it get posted on? Somethings I want kept confidential, others not. Thanks! Kari