Hello Sackett Searchers: "Families of Ancient New Haven," Vol. VII, p. 1584; shows Mary Sackett, b. 24 sep 1657 [dau. John and Agnes Tinkham Sacektt] as the one who married 12 Aug 1717, Benjamin Bradley. This is one that Chris puzzled over on his page of New Haven Vital Records: "NHVR129: Sergt Benjamin Bradly and mary Sackitt were married to Each other August 12th 1719 by Samll Bishop Justice of Peace Note on Sergt Bradly – Elizabeth the wife of Sergt Benjamin Bradly Decesed Novbr 3rd 1718 [3L9w70 Mary, d of 2K9w17 Lt John Sackett & Mary Woodin] [It is assumed that this is the Mary of the marriage as there is no other candidate available]. Weygant does not record this marriage" The records indicate that Mary (Wooding) Sackett died 27 Nov 1717 so it would have been highly unusual for her to have been married in 1719 !! (:>D Regards, Thurmon TSFA Historian

Chris & All: I believe I have solved a mystery concerning the Hannah Smith marriages to John and Joseph Sackett !!! According to "Families of Ancient New Haven," Vol. VII, p. 1583-1584: #5-John Sackett and Agnes Tinkham had sons 17-John Sackett, m Mary Wooding and had a son [72] John Sackett, m. 29 Nov. 1721, Hannah Smith, dau. Joseph Smith & Hannah Morris 20-Joseph Sackett m. 2nd, 26 Feb. 1717/18 Hannah (Morris) Smith, dau. John Morris & Hannah Bishop; widow of Joseph Smith. So it appears that Hannah Smith who married 72-John Sackett was the daughter of Hannah Smith [wid. of Joseph Smith] who married 20-Joseph Smith. Of course this conflicts with Weygant who has the 29 Nov. 1721 marriage of Hannah Smith to #77-John Sackett, son of #18-Jonathan Sackett & Hannah_______. But we are still faced with the lack of source records to show that #18-Jonathan had a son named John. Regards, Thurmon TSFA Historian

> "Kathy Campbell" <katgcamp@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Can anyone tell me what library might have a copy of this book - > "Ancestors and Descendants of Frederick Plummer Sackett"? Kathy, I made a photocopy at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building Library at Salt Lake City. Call number is 929.273Sa14sa. Was there something in particular I can look up for you? Regards, Chris

Thurmon, You have certainly presented us with a dilemma on Jonathan and Richard Sackett. I have looked over what I have but none of it answers your question. I guess we have taken Weygant's book too much for granted. But, he had to have had the information from somewhere about a Jonathan being the father of Richard. The only theory I have is that a generation was skipped in the New Haven records. It is not uncommon for a 62 year old man (Jonathan) to marry a 29 year old woman (Ruth), but it does make me wonder, as you wrote, if he was married before to a Hannah and had the first children or his son, Jonathan, married Ruth. As far as I know, there is no record of a marriage to Hannah or a record of their children's births. I did find on the Internet the marriage of a Sarah Sackett to Elisha Booth, but there was no date or other info given. On another website, I found the marriage of Ruth Sackett to Matthew Gilbert on 27 Apr.1738 in New Haven, CT. These are the two you listed as daughters of Jonathan Sackett and Ruth Hotchkiss. There are no children listed for Ruth and Matthew. We'll just have to keep searching and hope we can come up with some valid answers. Blanche McKay

Can anyone tell me what library might have a copy of this book - "Ancestors and Descendants of Frederick Plummer Sackett"? Thanks. Kathy

Hi Kathy, I just did a search of the major database used by libraries. OCLC firstsearch's Worldcat and the book isn't listed. Not even in the major genealogical centers. Perhaps copy is in someones private collection and will see your posting. The Family History Center in Salt Lake may have a copy and you can search their library at their website. Good hunting. Patty B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Campbell" <katgcamp@bellsouth.net> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:49 PM Subject: [SACKETT-L] Ancestors and Descendants of Frederick Plummer Sackett > Can anyone tell me what library might have a copy of this book - > "Ancestors and Descendants of Frederick Plummer Sackett"? > > Thanks. > Kathy > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > GEN-NEWBIE-L: No question is too elementary and the atmosphere is relaxed & friendly. GEN-NEWBIE-D: This list is the digest mode for GEN-NEWBIE-L. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Chris and All: In my searches in the "Genealogies of Connecticut Families" I have found more conflicts between the information presented there and the information in Weygant's book. Weygant, page 110: 254. Samuel Sackett, 1741-1826, of North Haven, Conn., son of (73) Capt. Samuel Sackett , was married Dec. 24, 1767, to Abigail Blakeley [Blakeslee]. Children. 694. Samuel Sackett, b. Mar. 2, 1771, d. Aug. 27, 1851; m. Sally Donelson [Denison]. 695. Elisabeth Sackett. 696. Eli Sackett. 697. Solomon Sackett, m. Sept. 1, 1790, Ruth Turner. 698. Amelia Sackett, m. Feb. 9, 1790, Joel Turner. 699. Joel Sackett, m. Dec. 1789, Lydia Todd. Page 111 256. Solomon Sackett, 1748-1828, of New Haven and Norfolk, Conn., son of (73) Capt. Samuel Sackett, was twice married. He and both of his wives are buried in the "North End Cemetery," at Norfolk. Several of their descendants resided in 1904, in the adjoining town of Colebrook. Children. 700. Solomon Sackett, b. in year 1785, d. in year 1855; m. Hulda Webster. 701. Thomas Sackett, m. Lucy ________. 702. Sylvia Sackett, b. in year 1805, d. May 4. 1833. ------ Families of Ancient New Haven, Vol. VII, Page 1586: [son of W#73-Samuel Sackett and his 2nd wife [name not known to Weygant] Lydia Heaton (W#256) 6. Solomon, b 28 Apr 1748 NHV, d 8 Aug 1823 Norfolk C; Census (NoH) 1-2-1, m. (1) Mary ______, b c. 1848, d 24 Dec 1784 ae. 37 NoHT1; m (2) 12 Feb 1787 NoHV -- Ruth da. Benjamin & Amy (Hill) Hull, b 27 Nov 1763 NHV, d 13 June 1789 ae. 27 NoHC, NoHT1; m (3) _ Sep 1790 NoHC -- Ruth Turner, b c. 1755, d 27 Mar 1796 ae. 41 NoHT1, 20 Mar NoHC; m (4) 10 Sep 1797 NoHV -- Miriam Davis. -------------- The problems are: 1.Two different Solomon Sacketts are said to have married Ruth Turner on 1 Sep 1790. 2. Weygant says that #256-Solomon moved to Norfolk, CT and that he "...was twice married. He and both of his wives are buried in the 'North End Cemetery,' at Norfolk." But FANH, Vol. VII, p. 1586 says that this individual lived in and died at North Haven, CT. Questions: 1. Which Solomon Sackett moved to Norfolk, Litchfield Co., CT? 2. What were the names of the wives who are buried in the "North End Cemetery"? 3. Which Solomon Sackett was married to the four wives at North Haven? Or, 4. Were there two Solomon Sacketts involved in the four marriages? Regards, Thurmon King TSFA Hisorian

Hello Sackett Searchers: I recently did some searching for Sacketts in Genealogy.com's Genealogy Library. One of the titles in; "Genealogies of Connecticut Families; From the New England Historical and Genealogical Register"; Selected and Introduced by Gary Boyd Roberts; Genealogical PUb. Co., Inc, 1983: "Families of Ancient New Haven," Vol. VII, Pages 1583-1588 contains the descendants of John Sackett m. Agnes Tinkham as found in the vital records of CT. There is a discrepancy in the material contained in the above referenced pages as opposed to what is found in Weygant given below:. 5. John Sackett, Jr., 16__-1684, of New Haven, Conn. On May 20, 1652, he was married to Agnes Tinkham. Children of John Sackett and Agnes Tinkham. 17. John Sackett, b. Apr. 30, 1653; d. in year 1703; m. Mary Woodin. 18. Jonathan Sackett, b. June 6, 1655; d. ; m. Hannah. 19, Mary Sackett, b. Sept. 24, 1657. 20. Joseph Sackett, b. Mar. 2, 1660; m. 21. Martha Sackett, b. Sept. 19, 1662; d. Sept. 3, 1684. -------- 18. Jonathan Sackett, 1655, of New Haven, Conn., son of (5) John and Agnes Tinkham Sackett, was married to Hannah ______. Children. 74. Jonathan Sackett, m. Ruth Hotchkiss. 75. Richard Sackett, d. in year 1746; m. Margery L. Sleade. 76. Hannah Sackett. 77. John Sackett, m. Hannah Smith. 78. Joseph Sackett. -------- "Families of Ancient New Haven" does not have 18-Jonathan Sackett m. Hannah _______. who is found in Weygant. Instead this volume has Jonathan Sackett, [6 June] 1655-__?[4 Jeb 1726/7 ae. 72 NHT1], of New Haven, Conn., son of (5) John and Agnes Tinkham Sackett, [m 12 Mar 1717/8 NHV -- Ruth, dau. John & Elizabeth (Peck) Hotchkiss. b c. 1688, d. 24 Mar 1773 ae. 85 NHC1; she m (2) 11 Dec 1728 NHV -- Benjamin Dorman.]. with two children: i. Ruth b. 4 Mar 1718/9, m. Matthew Gilbert [not in Weygant] ii. 259-Sarah, b. 9 Aug 1721; m. Elisha Booth I have searched the New Haven Vital Records posted on Chris Sackett's website and find no record of a Jonathan Sackett who married a Hannah _______. I have searched the vital records in my files for the birth of 75-Richard Sackett and his siblings as given by Weygant Questions: 1. Does anyone have a record which gives proof of the existance of this 18-Jonathan Sackett who married Hannah ______? 2. Is it possible that Weygant made two persons out of one? [That is, 18 Jonathan married Hannah _____ and then in his later years married Ruth Hotchkiss.] 3. Does anyone have a record for Weygant's #75-Richard Sackett before his marriage to Margery L. Sleade? Regards, Thurmon King TSFA Historian

On This Day in 1712 was born - Eliakim Sacket 1712-1764, of Westfield, Massachusetts, son of John Sacket and Mahitable (Danks) (Harris) Sacket. My records show - Eliakim Sacket ID.Gen.Tree=4430.42.4L.7 Born: 12 April 1712, Westfield, Massachusetts. Married: Bethesda (Fowler) Sacket, daughter of Samuel Fowler and Maria (Root) Fowler, 5 July 1738, Westfield. Made Will: Eliakim made his will on 5 July 1764 at Westfield, Hampshire County, Province of Massachusetts Bay,, naming as beneficiaries his wife Bethesda; his sons Justus, Stephen, Ezra and Pliny; and his daughters Rhoda, Mercy, Eunice, Sarah and Molly. His wife Bethesda and son "Justice" were appointed executors. Died: 7 July 1764, Westfield. Sacketts of America: pp48-9. Research pages: Sackett Family Association descendants of Eliakim Sacket. Fred Sackett. Patty Bohler. Lynette Sackett Wilkerson. Children of Eliakim Sacket and Bethesda (Fowler) Sacket: Eliakim, Rhoda, Mercy, Justus, Stephen, Ezra, Pliny, Eunice, Sarah, Molly Does anyone have any more data on Eliakim? Regards, Chris

IF these films, listed below, are in the ACTIVE file ie: They have a File number next to them then they are already at the FHL .. IF they are in the VAULT you can order them to be delivered to the FHL when you are there.. it takes about a week to bring them to the FHL and they will be waiting for you under your name. There is NO COST to have these films delivered to the FHL AND after they are there they will be there forever !! Yeah !.. Anyone going to the FHL should always look at the online catalog and find those films that they have not been able to order and print the list of the films that you will want to review. This makes a time consuming task really easy and you will be ready to Go right to Film and even fiche searching.. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Thurmon E King [mailto:thurmonking@juno.com] I did a search of the FHL Library Catalog online and came up with this title Title History of Western Massachusetts : the counties of Hampden, Hampshire, Franklin, and Berkshire, embracing an outline or general history of the section, an account of its scientific aspects and leading interests, and separate histories of its one hundred towns Stmnt.Resp. Josiah Gilbert Holland Authors Holland, Josiah Gilbert, 1819-1881 (Main Author) History of western Massachusetts : the counties of Hampden, Hampshire, Franklin, and Berkshire; embracing an outline, or general history, of the section, an account of its scientific aspects and leading interests, and separate histories of its one hundred towns; vol. 2, part 3 Holland, Josiah Gilbert, 1819-1881 Master index to History of western Massachusetts, volumes I and II : (counties of Hampden, Hampshire, Franklin and Berkshire), by Josiah Gilb ert Holland, 1855 Holland, Josiah Gilbert, 1819-1881, History of western Massachusetts Notes Reprint, with indexes. Originally published: Springfield [Mass.] : Samuel Bowles and Company, 1855.Includes full-name index in each volume.Library's copy of v. 1 has the first 96 pages of v. 2 following after its own pages. Subjects Massachusetts, Hampden - History Massachusetts, Hampshire - History Massachusetts, Franklin - History Massachusetts, Berkshire - History

All, but especially Patty Chrisman, Jeanette Boden, & Eugene Venne, I am working on Sackett entries in the NEHG Register and have come across references to Benoni & Benjamin Sacket listed as soldiers in 1746-47. In the 1896 Register, vol. 50, pp 71-72 "Notes and Queries" is a letter to the Register from a correspondent, John Nicholas Brown, quoting from a 1746-47 list of soldiers - "In volume II of the manuscripts of the Rhode Island Historical Society are several papers relating to Captain Thomas Cheney's company, raised in Massachusetts for the expedition against Canada. The paper, numbered 364, is entitled: "A State of the Pay of the Non-Commissioned Officers & Private Men of Capt Thomas Cheney's Company in the Regiment of Foot of wch the Honble Brigr Genl Dwight is Colonel, rais'd in the Province of the Massachusetts Bay for His Majesty's Service for an Expedition against Canada in 1746, & dismissed from said service 31 Octor 1747," which precedes a list of the names of the soldiers, the number of days' service and each man's full pay. The names are as follows:- [amongst 100 names are those of Benoni Sacket and Benjn Sacket]." These are presumably 4506.60.4L.7 Benoni Sacket 1710-1785, son of Samuel & Elisabeth (Bissell) Sacket (the only Benoni Sacket on record) and probably 4425.37.4L.7 Benjamin Sacket 1698-1753, son of John & Deborah (Filley) Sacket (the only Benjamin on record of an appropriate age; also Benoni & Benjamin were first cousins). Benoni is in Patty Chrisman's line and Benjamin is in Jeanette's and Eugene's lines. Anyone able to confirm these identifications? Regards, Chris

Hi All: Some Pilgrim historical trivia: one of my Oldham ancestors, John, migrated to the Plymouth Colony at the age of 12 with his 10 year-old younger brother when their widowed father (Thomas) stayed in England and married a woman who didn't want his sons. They were sent to their "Uncle John Oldham" (who arrived in Plymouth in 1623), among other things, was a literate Indian trader in and around that area. He was a very interesting character and it was his murder off Block Island (by Perquot Indians) that contributed to the Perquet Indian War. (I've been to Block Island and have seen the memorial that includes John Oldham; the local historian also shared further information, which I haven't input included into my computer yet). The two boys were with him when they were assaulted while traveling by boat to the island for trading purposes. His murder was very brutal; his body was dismembered and they took his two nephews captive. Soon after his murder, the boys were rescued by a trade agreement with the indians; they were then sent to live with their Aunt Lucretia Oldham (their father's sister) who married Johnathan Brewester. Here is an excerpt about his murder which provides some insight into the hostilities between the Pilgrims and Indians. Source: Plymouth Colony: Its History and People 1620-1691 Part Three: Biographical Sketches Biographical Sketches Taken from: Biography of GALLOP, John, Page 9, Account of John Oldham's death " IN THE SPRNG of 1636, John Oldham loaded his pinnace with trade goods and set sail from Plymouth for Long Island Sound. A few days later John Gallop, bent on a similar spring trading cruise, cast of from his wharf in Boston Harbor in his sloop with two of his sons-4 and a hired man as crew. Having rounded Cape Cod he laid course by dead reckoning for Say- brook Point. A brisk wind was blowing and leaden clouds in the west promised rain and a stormy afternoon. Off Block Island they sighted a small ship anchored in a broad cQve close inshore. She appeared to be deserted: there was no watch on deck. Her rigging was loose and her gaff swung wildly to and fro as she rocked in the choppy sea. Gallop hove to and on approaching recognized Oldham's pinnace with a score of Indians lying asleep on the deck. He hailed and a couple of Indians jumped into a heavily laden canoe lashed -17- alongside and paddled away for the shore. There was great confusion aboard the pinnace, but the natives succeeded in slipping the cable and standing off before the wind headed for Narraganset Bay. Convinced that Oldham was in trouble, Gallop hauled up alongside and was greeted with a shower of spears and arrows and a volley from several muskets. His sons opened fire with two great duck guns mounted on swivels--no mean armament --and the savages took refuge below deck. The odds were too great to risk boarding so Gallop put up his helm and beat to windward, then, coming about, bore down on the pinnace before the wind. The 20-ton sloop rammed the smaller vessel with such force that she heeled over on her beam end and water poured dGwn the hatchway. Panic-stricken, the Indians scrambled on deck; several leaped overboard and were drowned; the others hid in the hold. Gallop withdrew to repeat his ramming maneuvre. He had the sudden inspiration to make the blow more devastating by lashing his anchor to the bow, its sharp flukes pointing outward, thus improvising an iron-clad ram two centuries before naval architects adopted this idea. The pinnace was now virtually adrift, falling off to leeward, and when the sloop again crashed into her windward quarter the flukes of the anchor-ram penetrated the hull. The two ships were clamped fast together. The Gallop boys double-loaded the duck guns, but their shots into the hold had little effect, and their father loosened his fasts and hauled up to windward a third time. Several more Indians jumped overboard, but one, obviously a sachem, stood up on the deck making signs of surrender. Capt. John drew up alongside; took the prisoner aboard and bound him hand and foot. Another came on deck, but fearing to keep two such wily savages, hovever securely shackled, together in the tiny cabin, -18- he was thrown overboard. Two of the redmen still lurked in the hold, but Gallop and his sons boarded the pinnace, and leaving one of the boys on guard with a pistol at the hatchway, they inspected the shambles. In the cabin they found John Oldham's head, the skull crushed, hacked from the body which lay in a corner, stripped naked, slashed with wounds, disgracefully mutilated. "God give you peace Brother Oldham," prayed Capt. John as they lowered the corpse into the ocean. --------------------------------------------------- Souce: Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-33 > Search Results May 10, 2001 Search Results Top Things to Do @ Ancestry.com I have some information on the military/militia action taken after this incidence; unfortunately, it's packed away somewhere, but if there is some interest, I could probably find it. Sandy sandrajmueller@worldnet.att.net > Bill: > > I had started a response to your previous message but didn't get it > finished. However, I was going to say that you had jumped to about 50 > years later than what we were discussing concerning the Plymouth > settlement in 1620. > > The Pequot War in 1637 would serve better to show that the people in the > Plymouth Colony were not as tolerant of the Native Americans as has > generally been assumed. > > From The American Heritage History of the Thirteen Colonies. (1967), p. > 162: > The first. settlers found the coastal tribes so decimated by an epidemic > that they made little resistance to the white invaders. Occasional > quarrels between white traders and Indians caused trouble to outlying > settlements. A series of murders and punitive measures by the whites led > in 1637 to an outbreak of war with the Pequot Indians in the lower > Connecticut Valley in which that tribe was virtually annihilated. Captain > John Mason led an; expedition that surrounded more than four hundred of > the Pepuots in a palisaded fort on the Mystic River. Setting fire to the > fort in the night, Mason's men burned all but seven of the occupants to > death. William Bradford, describing; this episode, commented: "It was > conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearfull > sight to see them thus frying in the fyer, and the streams of blood > quenching the same, and horrible was the stinck and sente ther of; but > the victory seemed a sweete sacrifice, and they gaye the prays thereof to > God, who had wrought so wonderfuly for them, thus inclose their enimise > in their hands, and give them so speedy a victory over so proud and > insulting an enimie." > > "Before the campaign against the Pequots was over, militiamen had killed > or captured more than seven hundred Indians. Indian Captives were highly > prized, for they could be sold as slaves in the West Indies or traded for > more tractable Negro slaves. The Reverend Hugh Pater wrote to Governor > Winthrop requesting a few slaves for himself: "Sir, Mr. Endicot and > myself salute you in the Lord Jesus. Wee have heard of a dividence of > women and children in the bay and would bee glad of a share viz: a young > woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good. I wrote to you for some > boyes for Bermudas, which I thinke is considerable." They got seventeen > Indian slaves fifteen boys and two women." > > In the time line for the Plymouth Colony for 1637 we have: > January: William Bradford chosen governor. > March: The first mention of Cohannet, which became known as Taunton. > April: A group of ten men from Saugus in Massachusetts Bay Colony > received permission to settle in Plymouth Colony. They chose the future > Sandwich. > Plymouth and Mass Bay disputed over the border between the two colonies. > The line was finally established between Hingham and Scituate in June, > 1640. > June: Duxbury was declared a township. > The Plymouth Court declared that it would send a force to help the men of > Massachusetts Bay and Connecticut against the Pequots, but the war was > over before the force was sent out. > > More later, > Thurmon > > On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:43:58 EDT Sackettbill@aol.com writes: > > I would like to apologize to Mary Lou and everyone else, for the angry > tone > > of my posting about Pilgrim tolerance in relation to King Philips War. > My > > friend Chief Frank Whiteeagle of the Wampanoag (Seaconk), can tell of a > different > > perspective about these events of American history. Sorry. Bill > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb blocks HTML formatting in email messages. 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Bill: I had started a response to your previous message but didn't get it finished. However, I was going to say that you had jumped to about 50 years later than what we were discussing concerning the Plymouth settlement in 1620. The Pequot War in 1637 would serve better to show that the people in the Plymouth Colony were not as tolerant of the Native Americans as has generally been assumed. From The American Heritage History of the Thirteen Colonies. (1967), p. 162: The first. settlers found the coastal tribes so decimated by an epidemic that they made little resistance to the white invaders. Occasional quarrels between white traders and Indians caused trouble to outlying settlements. A series of murders and punitive measures by the whites led in 1637 to an outbreak of war with the Pequot Indians in the lower Connecticut Valley in which that tribe was virtually annihilated. Captain John Mason led an; expedition that surrounded more than four hundred of the Pepuots in a palisaded fort on the Mystic River. Setting fire to the fort in the night, Mason's men burned all but seven of the occupants to death. William Bradford, describing; this episode, commented: "It was conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearfull sight to see them thus frying in the fyer, and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stinck and sente ther of; but the victory seemed a sweete sacrifice, and they gaye the prays thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfuly for them, thus inclose their enimise in their hands, and give them so speedy a victory over so proud and insulting an enimie." "Before the campaign against the Pequots was over, militiamen had killed or captured more than seven hundred Indians. Indian Captives were highly prized, for they could be sold as slaves in the West Indies or traded for more tractable Negro slaves. The Reverend Hugh Pater wrote to Governor Winthrop requesting a few slaves for himself: "Sir, Mr. Endicot and myself salute you in the Lord Jesus. Wee have heard of a dividence of women and children in the bay and would bee glad of a share viz: a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good. I wrote to you for some boyes for Bermudas, which I thinke is considerable." They got seventeen Indian slaves fifteen boys and two women." In the time line for the Plymouth Colony for 1637 we have: January: William Bradford chosen governor. March: The first mention of Cohannet, which became known as Taunton. April: A group of ten men from Saugus in Massachusetts Bay Colony received permission to settle in Plymouth Colony. They chose the future Sandwich. Plymouth and Mass Bay disputed over the border between the two colonies. The line was finally established between Hingham and Scituate in June, 1640. June: Duxbury was declared a township. The Plymouth Court declared that it would send a force to help the men of Massachusetts Bay and Connecticut against the Pequots, but the war was over before the force was sent out. More later, Thurmon On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:43:58 EDT Sackettbill@aol.com writes: > I would like to apologize to Mary Lou and everyone else, for the angry tone > of my posting about Pilgrim tolerance in relation to King Philips War. My > friend Chief Frank Whiteeagle of the Wampanoag (Seaconk), can tell of a different > perspective about these events of American history. Sorry. Bill

I would like to apologize to Mary Lou and everyone else, for the angry tone of my posting about Pilgrim tolerance in relation to King Philips War. My friend Chief Frank Whiteeagle of the Wampanoag (Seaconk), can tell of a different perspective about these events of American history. Sorry. Bill

Tolerance among themselves and their beliefs concerning religion, would be considerably different than what we would consider tolerance toward the Indians and their way of life in the context of looking back at history from today. Tom----- Original Message ----- From: <Sackettbill@aol.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 6:16 AM Subject: [SACKETT-L] Tolerant Pilgrims > I think the Pilgrim descendants should read a little more about King Philips > War before they they try to tell me how tolerant they were. > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > To Subscribe to the digest, SACKETT-D, address your email to: > sackett-d-request@rootsweb.com and type: SUBSCRIBE. Remember to > unsubscribe yourself from sackett-l or you will get multiple copies! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I think the Pilgrim descendants should read a little more about King Philips War before they they try to tell me how tolerant they were.

The Puritans were people who wanted a "pure" Church but disagreed on how to accomplish that goal. The descendants of the Plymouth Separatists may insist that they were not Puritans but historians consider them to have been Puritans. I suppose that instead of giving a summary of the material I should have given quotes and sources: Wirth, Fremont P.; "The development of America"; American Book Company, 1948; page 53"There were many people in England who were dissatisfied with the doctrines and practices of the Anglican Church, or Church of England, because there were still vestiges of the Roman Church to be seen in it. The Catholics, however, were loyal to the Church of rome and refused to accept the Church of England. The dissatisfied Protestants were called Puritans, and consisted of two groups. (1) The Nonconformists believed in an established church, and were willing to remain in the Church of England, but worked for changes in the form of worship. They were interested in securing simpler ceremonies. (2) The second group of Puritans, however, insisting on immediate changes, decided to withdraw from the Church of England, and were called Independents, or Separatists." ... "In order to escape the persecution of the king, a group of Separatists, called Pilgrims, left their home at Scrooby, England! ..." Cairns, Earle E.; "Christianity Through the Centuries; A History of the Christian Church"; Zondervan; Grand Rapids, MI; 4th ed, 1961; pages 392-394Concerning the Virginia Colony: "The colony did not prosper economically until the communal experiment was ended in 1619, and land and the privilege of electing a representative governing body were granted to the colonists by the Company. Increasing numbers of Puritan Anglicans migrated to the colony. Alexander whitaker, who had Puritan leanings, became the leading minister of the Anglican Church in Virginia between 1611 and 1617." [Note: This was before the Mayflower sailed to New England.] Following the account of the Scruby congregation and the founding of Plymouth which ends with; "The church was the center of spiritual and social life in their community." the next paragraph starts with:"The larger number of Puritans settled in Salem and Boston after 1628. ..." [Cairns considered the Separatists of Plymouth to be Puritans.] Blum, John M; et al; "The National Experience; A History of the United States"; Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc.; New York' 4th ed., 1977; pages18-19p. 18 "Puritanism has come to mean prudishness, cruelty, fanaticism, superstition, Philistinism, and hypocrisy. Actually, the puritans who settled New England had no greater share of these human qualities than did their contemporaries, or their descendants."...Page 19 "The Puritans all agreed on what was wrong with the English Church, but they desagreed on how to make it right. Though they all relied on the Bible for guidance, they extracted different opinions from it about how God wanted his churches to be run. Those who settled New England belonged to a group that came to be known as congregationalists." ... "Their dissatisfaction with the Church of England led them to the problem of all reformers: whether to remain inside the corrupt institution and try to reform it from within or to separate from it and start a pure new ! one. In 1583 an early Congregational leader, Robert Browne, advocated the latter course in a pamphlet appropriately titled 'Reformation without Tarrying for any.' His followers, known as Separatists, deserted the English Church to meet in little churches of their own - of necessity in secret becasue the government did not acknowledge or permit any church other than the established one. But most Congregationalists were not Separatists." Warm regards,ThurmonTSFA Historian "Mary Petrie" <mlpetrie@earthlink.net> wrote: >As a descendant of Gov. Bradford of the Mayflower, I would like to clarify>some information given. The Pilgrim descendants are very particular that>they not be confused with the Puritans. They were Separatists, true. They>left Scrooby and went to Leiden, Holland to escape persecution. The concern>they had there was that their children were learning to be be Dutch and were>losing their English Heritage. There is speculation that they knew they>were off-course and landed in Cape Cod on purpose. They were very tolerant>and did not require that everyone attend their church. They wore>brightly-colored clothes when they could. They enjoyed singing and dancing.>They were nothing like the Puritans in these areas. The Pilgrim name was>given much later. The Mayflower Compact was probably one of the most>far-reaching documents of the time in terms of how they were to govern>themselves. They lived very peacefully with the Indians for many years>until King Philip's War, which! lasted a short duration. Then peace settled>in again.>>I don't contribute much as my Sackett line is short -- Mary Sackett m.>Alexander McKay -- but I love to read the 'chatter' about the line. There>are some really interesting people. As to the above, I just wanted to set>the record straight. If anyone in the Seth McKay-Larissa Lamb descent wants>to know how to connect to Gov. Bradford, I'd be pleased to send you the>connection.>>Thanks,>Mary Lou Petrie>California __________________________________________________________________Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet ExplorerSearch from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups.Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kari Roehl" <kariroehl@charter.net> > Here's an extraction of births in Fond du Lac County Wisconsin including some delayed births. Hope someone can use it. > > Ray Marston 11/9/1883 Parents Henry & Cora Marston Sackett 3/247 > Edwin Hiram 6/13/1883 Howard Treat & Harriet Brown Sackett 22/270 <snipped> Kari, Thanks for researching and posting these records. I take it the numbers after the parents' names are reference numbers? Volume? Page number? What is a delayed birth? Sounds painful. Chris

It is something we could put on the list of things to check out while we are in SLC. I keep forgetting to mention that I work at our local FHL and if there are any films that we want to research I would be happy to order them. For those that don't know the catalog is online at www.familysearch.org Liesa Robarge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thurmon E King" <thurmonking@juno.com> To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Chief Sackett > Chris: > > I did a search of the FHL Library Catalog online and came up with this > title > > Title History of Western Massachusetts : the counties of Hampden, > Hampshire, Franklin, and Berkshire, embracing an outline or general > history of the section, an account of its scientific aspects and leading > interests, and separate histories of its one hundred towns > Stmnt.Resp. Josiah Gilbert Holland > Authors Holland, Josiah Gilbert, 1819-1881 (Main Author) > > History of western Massachusetts : the counties of Hampden, Hampshire, > Franklin, and Berkshire; embracing an outline, or general history, of the > section, an account of its scientific aspects and leading interests, and > separate histories of its one hundred towns; vol. 2, part 3 Holland, > Josiah Gilbert, 1819-1881 > > Master index to History of western Massachusetts, volumes I and II : > (counties of Hampden, Hampshire, Franklin and Berkshire), by Josiah Gilb > ert Holland, 1855 Holland, Josiah Gilbert, 1819-1881, History of western > Massachusetts > > Notes Reprint, with indexes. Originally published: Springfield [Mass.] : > Samuel Bowles and Company, 1855.Includes full-name index in each > volume.Library's copy of v. 1 has the first 96 pages of v. 2 following > after its own pages. > > Subjects > Massachusetts, Hampden - History > Massachusetts, Hampshire - History > Massachusetts, Franklin - History > Massachusetts, Berkshire - History > > ---------- > It is possible that the part of the title Linda gave: " Woronoco, The > Present Westfield" is the chapter name. > > Regards, > Thurmon > On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:51:42 +0100 "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> > writes: > > Is Linda Lewis still on the List? > > > > If so, could you kindly give me full details of the book in which you > found > > the story about Chief Sackett, the alleged son of Elizabeth Sackett > (w15)? > > Your post of 27 Jun 1999 (I'm gradually catching up with my > correspondence!) > > quoted an extrtact from "Western Massachusetts History: Woronoco, The > Present Westfield". > Do you also have the author, publisher, and date published? > > > > Regards, > > Chris Sackett > > > > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > > If you haven't already, please send in your introduction to the > > list. > > For examples, visit > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > To Subscribe to the digest, SACKETT-D, address your email to: > sackett-d-request@rootsweb.com and type: SUBSCRIBE. Remember to > unsubscribe yourself from sackett-l or you will get multiple copies! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kari Roehl" <kariroehl@charter.net> To: "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Sackett Births in Wisconsin > Yes, I think that would be painful. The birth wasn't recorded by the > parents, it was later recorded by the child (birthee?!). So it wasn't a > delayed birth but a delayed recording of the birth. Sorry for that. > > And yes, volume and page number. > > Thanks. Kari > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Sackett" <chris@sackett.org.uk> > To: <SACKETT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [SACKETT-L] Sackett Births in Wisconsin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kari Roehl" <kariroehl@charter.net> > > > Here's an extraction of births in Fond du Lac County Wisconsin including > > some delayed births. Hope someone can use it. > > > > > > Ray Marston 11/9/1883 Parents Henry & Cora Marston Sackett 3/247 > > > Edwin Hiram 6/13/1883 Howard Treat & Harriet Brown > > Sackett 22/270 > > <snipped> > > > > Kari, > > > > Thanks for researching and posting these records. I take it the numbers > > after the parents' names are reference numbers? Volume? Page number? > > > > What is a delayed birth? Sounds painful. > > > > Chris > > > > > > ==== SACKETT Mailing List ==== > > If you haven't already, please send in your introduction to the list. > > For examples, visit > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sidersn/sackett > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >