Ellyn: The Carpatho-Rusyn link sounds very interesting. If you have its' website adr. I would certainly make use of it. Glad you liked the joke... I did too when I first heard it. Eric Roll bjolla@aol.com

Hi all, RE:The Message "Please Pass this On!" Please let's try not to get to upset over a simple message that should not have been sent to the list. Many "newbies" are not aware that these off topic messages are not allowed on the rootsweb lists. As listowner I am sending a gentle reminder to all listmembers to stay on the topic of the list, which is Russia genealogy, history and information. If you have a message that you feel you want to share and are not sure if it is appropriate, PLEASE write to me and ask before posting it to the list. Thanks and appreciation for all the listmembers who graciously overlook an honest faux paux by a newbie. Heartfelt Thanks Carol-listowner postalq@grnco.net

Many thanks to Becky, and all of you who send these bits and pieces of information. I have found that the lists I enjoy being the on most, are the ones where info is not only requested by listmembers, but also info shared by sending it in a post. If you have any info, like census records, obits, etc. that have various names or that you think might be useful to the list, send a post and describe your info, and offer to provide it. You'll get responses pretty quick, and if there is enough interest, post it directly to the list. On my Donegal, Ireland list I posted about 20 obituaries from Hazleton, Pa. They mentioned alot of names found in Donegal. I asked the list if there was any interest, and got a good amount of yes replies, so I went ahead and sent it directly to the list. Now hopefully, someone will find a connection. I am really enjoying everyone on this list. Thanks for making it great. Carol ****************************************************************************

I have been told that my gr-grandfather emigrated from Galicia in 1903. His passport was stamped "Austria-Hungary". I want to search through emigration records to find out more about him--but where would his port of departure be? Any suggestions? RESEARCHING KOPACZ, SMUDA Kathy Kopacz -----Original Message----- From: Ellyn <ellynf@mindspring.com> To: RUSSIA-L@rootsweb.com <RUSSIA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 8:33 AM Subject: Russia or Poland >Hi James: >You need to get out your encyclopedia's and research. My husband's >grandparents >are from an area of Russia called Galicia - which today no longer even exists. >Its down in the Carpathian Mountain region and depending upon what year we are >researching it was Russia, Poland, Austria, Austria-Hungary Empire and now >today is part of what we know as the Ukraine. So, where do we say he came >from? >Galicia was traded off with every little and big war in Europe and it has >been extremely difficult, to say the least, to figure it all out. >Hope this gives you some ideas on clearing up your confusion. >Ellyn/Marietta, GA >Researching FILL, HORBAL, SHELL, MCCULLOUGH, MADISON, RUTLAND, HAYES/HAYS, >MUSE AND PENDLETON >

UNSUBSCRIBE It's a shame that the good always gets put down and given the riot act for showing how much they care about others and the others treat them like dirt! launie

Hi! Anyone who has relatives from Galicia should visit, if you have not already done so: http://www.carpatho-rusyn.org http://www.ganzy.com I haven't visited either site in many months so I guess they still exist. Carpatho-rusyn site has excellent info and some census data on line and great historical info and maps. My husband's grandfather left Volovec, Galicia and came to US in 1905. Came over on the ship Francesca on the Austro-Americana Line (Adriatric ports to NY). Left from Trieste, Austria. Great info on http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/ships.htm Hope this helps someone. Ellyn Fill/Marietta, GA

---- Begin Original Message ---- > Everyone should read this, it can happen to anyone! > >>Shannon could hear the footsteps behind her ... > >> .... > >>PLEASE PASS THIS ON! It could > happen to adults, too! ==== RUSSIA Mailing List ==== Links of Russian Interest: http://www.sptimes.ru/ The St. Petersburg Times in English http://www.aha.ru/~russarch/eng/indexe.html the Russian Archive RUSSIA GENWEB is at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ruswgw ---- End Original Message ---- What a missuse of a genealogy mailing list! This is not a CHAT list! If you have nothing genealogical to contribut, don't send in any thing, please! Best wishes, Franz Hrazdira - FH38@CanoeMail.Com Do visit my web pages! Just click on the two URL's below ... http://members.xoom.com/daFranzl + http://www.angelfire.com/ca/ont ___________________________________________________________________ Sign up today for your Free E-mail at http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail

My great grand dad Naturalization papers said he was from Russia and had to stop his allegiance to Nichols II the Czar in 1904 when my great grand dad, Jacob M. Green/Greene was Naturalized in Norwich, CT, United States. On my grand mom's birth certificate, it says he was born in Russia. I had a professional genealogists say that what he learned through Norwich Deaths, Vol, 23: was that Jacob M. Green was born in Poland. It also says his parents were born in Poland but their names not shown and he is buried in St Mary cem in CT. Now he was born on a specific date. I have several ages for Jacob. Poland or Russia must have had control of exactly where he was born in that exact time. Is there any possible way I can find out the truth? Cordially, James, ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Got a page from the 1920 Census from City of Erie PA...108 Parade St to 120 Parade St. Thought I would throw out the names....quite a few Russians. I have more on these people if you want it. Email me. MONAK Italian MIGLIRE Italian LEJENZOFF Russian GOOL Russian BUSZIK Polish VERGES Russian Poland WITKO Russian SHRSTOK Russian MARSTOK Russian SCULLEY USA KEMANT Italian Be great if something was here for someone....besides me :) Thanks Barb! Becky Masters Gool -- Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnraogk/index.htm mailto:btgool@swbell.net

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_921541966_boundary Content-ID: <0_921541966@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I would like to share the links that Tamkiaz so graciously shared with me: Please let me know if this didn't work. Patti Waldo swaim --part0_921541966_boundary Content-ID: <0_921541966@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Tmakiaz@aol.com Return-path: <Tmakiaz@aol.com> To: FlamnPie@aol.com Subject: Re: Russina Roots Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:24:20 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You can start checking these sites: <A HREF="http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/russia/">Russia Genealogy Forum </A> <A HREF="http://www.feefhs.org/blitz/blitzgs.html">BLITZ - Russian Genealogy Sources - (Books in the Russian Language)</A> <A HREF="http://www.feefhs.org/blitz/blitzgrr.html">BLITZ - Genealogy Research in Russia</A> <A HREF="http://www.feefhs.org/blitz/bz-gloss.html">BLITZ GLOSSARY OF RUSSIAN GENEALOGY TERMS</A> <A HREF="http://www.feefhs.org/blitz/blitzih.html">BLITZ - Genealogy at the Institute of History, Russian Academy of Sciences</A> <A HREF="http://www.feefhs.org/ragas/frgragas.html">Russian-American Genealogical Archival Service (RAGAS) - HOMEPAGE</A> <A HREF="http://feefhs.org/frl/ru/rusgens.html">Kahlile Meher: Russian Genealogical Sources</A> <A HREF="http://perso.club-internet.fr/html/Popup/popup_frame.html">Resources you may consult to find your family roots in Russia</A> <A HREF="http://perso.club-internet.fr/montardi/berdnikov/Genealogy-Helplist- Russia/">Genealogy Helplist Russia</A> and good hunting! Tamara Maki --part0_921541966_boundary--

> Everyone should read this, it can happen to anyone! > > >>Shannon could hear the footsteps > behind her as she walked toward > home. > >>The thought of being followed made > her heart beat faster. > >>"You're being silly," she told > herself, "no one is following you." > >>To be safe, she began to walk > faster, but the footsteps kept up with > her > >>pace. She was afraid to look back > and she was glad she was almost > home. > >> > >>Shannon said a quick prayer, "God > please get me home safe." > >>She saw the porch light burning and > ran the rest of the way to her > house. > >>Once inside, she leaned against the > door for a moment, relieved to be > in > >the > >>safety of her home. She glanced out > the window to see if anyone was > there. > >>The sidewalk was empty. > >> > >>After tossing her books on the > sofa, she decided to grab a snack and > get > >>on-line. She logged on under her > screen name ByAngel213. She > checked her > >>Buddy List and saw GoTo123 was on. > She sent him an instant message: > >> > >>ByAngel213: Hi I'm glad you are on! > I thought someone was following > me > >home > >>today. It was really weird! > >> > >>GoTo123: LOL You watch too much > TV. Why would someone be following > you? > >>Don't you live in a safe > neighborhood? > >> > >>ByAngel213: Of course I do. LOL > I guess it was my imagination > cuz' I > >>didn't see anybody when I looked > out. > >> > >>GoTo123: Unless you gave your name > out on-line. You haven't done > that > have > >>you? > >> > >>ByAngel213: Of course not. I'm not > stupid you know. > >> > >>GoTo123: Did you have a softball > game after school today? > >> > >>ByAngel213: Yes and we won!! > >> > >>GoTo123: That's great! Who did > you play? > >> > >>ByAngel213: We played the Hornets. > LOL. Their uniforms are so > gross! > >>They look like bees. LOL > >> > >>GoTo123: : What is your team > called? > >> > >>ByAngel213: We are the Canton > Cats. We have tiger paws on our > uniforms. > >>They are really kewl. > >> > >>GoTo123: Did you pitch? > >> > >>ByAngel213:: No I play second base. > I got to go. My homework has to > be > >>done before my parents get home. I > don't want them mad at me. Bye > >> > >>GoTo123: Catch you later.. Bye > >> > >>Meanwhile...... > >> > >>GoTo123 went to the member menu > and began to search for her profile. > >>When it came up, he highlighted it > and printed it out. He took out a > pen > >>and began to write down what he > knew about Angel so far. > >> > >>Her name: Shannon > >> > >>Birthday: Jan. 3, 1985 > >> > >>Age:13 > >> > >>State where she lived: North > Carolina > >> > >>Hobbies: softball, chorus, skating > and going to the mall. > >> > >>Besides this information, he knew > she lived in Canton because she > >>Had just told him. He knew she > stayed by herself until 6:30 p.m. > every > >>afternoon until her parents came > home from work. He knew she played > >>softball on Thursday afternoons on > the school team, and the team was > named > >>the Canton Cats. Her favorite > number 7 was printed on her jersey. > >> > >>He knew she was in the seventh > grade at the Canton Junior High > School. > >> > >>She had told him all this in the > conversations they had on-line. He > had > >>enough information to find her now. > >> > >>Shannon didn't tell her parents > about the incident on the way home > from > the > >>ball park that day. She didn't > want them to make a scene and stop > her > from > >>walking home from the softball > games. Parents were always > overreacting > and > >>hers were the worst. It made her > wish she was not an only child. > Maybe if > >>she had brothers and sisters, her > parents wouldn't be so > overprotective. > >> > >>By Thursday, Shannon had forgotten > about the footsteps following her. > >> > >>Her game was in full swing when > suddenly she felt someone staring at > her. > >> > >>It was then that the memory came > back. She glanced up from her > second > base > >>position to see a man watching her > closely. He was leaning against > the > >>fence behind first base and he > smiled when she looked at him. He > didn't > >>look scary and she quickly > dismissed the fear she had felt. > >> > >>After the game, he sat on a > bleacher while she talked to the > coach. > She > >>noticed his smile once again as she > walked past him. He nodded and > she > >>smiled back. He noticed her name > on the back of her shirt. He knew > he had > >>found her. Quietly, he walked a > safe distance behind her. It was > only a > >few > >>blocks to Shannon's home, and once > he saw where she lived he quickly > >>returned to the park to get his > car. Now he had to wait. He decided > to > >get > >>a bite to eat until the time came > to go to Shannon's house. He drove > to a > >>fast food restaurant and sat there > until time to make his move. > >> > >>Shannon was in her room later that > evening when she heard voices in > the > >>living room. "Shannon, come here," > her father called. He sounded > upset > >and > >>she couldn't imagine why. She went > into the room to see the man from > the > >>ballpark sitting on the sofa. "Sit > down," her father began, "this > man > has > >>just told us a most interesting > story about you." > >> > >>Shannon moved cautiously to a chair > across from the man. How could > he > tell > >>her parents anything? > >> > >>She had never seen him before > today! > >> > >>"Do you know who I am Shannon?" > The man asked. > >> > >>"No", Shannon answered. > >> > >>"I am a police officer and your > online friend, GoTo123." > >> > >>Shannon was stunned. "That's > impossible! GoTo is a kid my age! > He's > 14 > >and > >>he lives in Michigan!" > >> > >>The man smiled. "I know I told you > all that, but it wasn't true. You > see > >>Shannon there are people on-line > who pretend to be kids; I was one of > >>them. But while others do it to > find kids and hurt them, I belong to > a > >>group of parents who do it to > protect kids from predators. I came > here > >>to find you to teach you how > dangerous it is to give out too much > >>information to people on-line. You > told me enough about yourself to > make > >it > >>easy for me to find you. Your > name, the school you went to, the name > of > >>your ball team and the position you > played. The number and name on > your > >>jersey just made finding you a > breeze." > >> > >>Shannon was stunned. "You mean you > don't live in Michigan?" > >> > >>He laughed. "No, I live in > Raleigh. It made you feel safe to > think > I > was > >>so far away, didn't it?" She > nodded. > >> > >>"I had a friend whose daughter was > like you. Only she wasn't as > lucky. > >>The guy found her and murdered her > while she was home alone. > >>Kids are taught not to tell anyone > when they are alone, yet they do > it > >>all the time on-line. > >> > >>The wrong people trick you into > giving out information a little here > and > >>there on-line. Before you know it, > you have told them enough for > them to > >>find you without even realizing you > have done it. I hope you've > learned a > >>lesson from this and won't do it > again." > >> > >>"I won't," Shannon promised > solemnly. > >> > >>"Will you tell others about this so > they will be safe too?" > >> > >>"It's a promise!" That night > Shannon and her dad and Mom all knelt > down > >>together and prayed. They thanked > God for protecting Shannon from > what > >could > >>have been a tragic situation. > >> > >>Please send this to as many people > as you can to teach them not to > give > any > >>information about themselves. > This world we live in today is too > >dangerous > >>to even give out your age, let > alone anything else. > >> > >>Be safe. > >> > >>PLEASE PASS THIS ON! It could > happen to adults, too! > > --part0_920457786_boundary-- >

Hi James: You need to get out your encyclopedia's and research. My husband's grandparents are from an area of Russia called Galicia - which today no longer even exists. Its down in the Carpathian Mountain region and depending upon what year we are researching it was Russia, Poland, Austria, Austria-Hungary Empire and now today is part of what we know as the Ukraine. So, where do we say he came from? Galicia was traded off with every little and big war in Europe and it has been extremely difficult, to say the least, to figure it all out. Hope this gives you some ideas on clearing up your confusion. Ellyn/Marietta, GA Researching FILL, HORBAL, SHELL, MCCULLOUGH, MADISON, RUTLAND, HAYES/HAYS, MUSE AND PENDLETON

Ellyn: Do you know the/a name of the town from which your grandparents came? Mine came from a town called Czernowitz (now Cernovtsi) which was then (turn of century) an official 'metropolis' of Austro-Hungary. The area was/is referred to as 'Bukovina' and has passed through many different hands as you have noted. Today's Cernovtsi is, indeed, the Ukraine. It is all bound up with Galicia in some way I think... As a child I can recall that, when my mother was angry with my father, she would sometimes refer to him as a "Galiciana." There is a little story which chacterizes the way in which European boundaries and place names change over the years... Something which we Americans are not used to. A Russian man who had been born in St. Petersburg (and who had never left there) is being interviewed by a reporter just before the city became St. Petersburg again.: "Where were you born?" asked the reporter. "St. Petersburg," the man replied. "Where did you attend school/" "Petrograd." "And where did you marry?' "Leningrad." "Where do you live now?" "Petrograd." "And where would you like to live?" "St. Petersburg." Eric Roll bjolla@aol.com

Hi James: You need to get out your encyclopedia's and research. My husband's grandparents are from an area of Russia called Galicia - which today no longer even exists. Its down in the Carpathian Mountain region and depending upon what year we are researching it was Russia, Poland, Austria, Austria-Hungary Empire and now today is part of what we know as the Ukraine. So, where do we say he came from? Galicia was traded off with every little and big war in Europe and it has been extremely difficult, to say the least, to figure it all out. Hope this gives you some ideas on clearing up your confusion. Ellyn/Marietta, GA Researching FILL, HORBAL, SHELL, MCCULLOUGH, MADISON, RUTLAND, HAYES/HAYS, MUSE AND PENDLETON

Can someone tell me where to look for Russian Military records? Specifically for those drafted from the Russian controlled district of Poland called "Vilejnski, Gubernia", which is now part of Lithuania... -Kathy K Ormond Beach, FL

I have a odd question finding out if my great grandfolks were from Russia or Poland. On my grand mom birth ceritificate, It says her paretns were born in Russia. His name was Jacob M. Green/Greene and she was Rosalie Drisba. On his Naturalization papers, it also says Russia and the Czar Nicholas II. However, I hired a genealogist in the place they lived in the United States, and he has found that they were both born in Poland. In fact he is buried in St Mary cem in Norwich, CT and she in St Joseph., she had remarried when he died in 1909 and her second husband was Polish. Jacob is not in the 1900 census though he came here in about 1890 or so. Where should I look to clear up this dilema? Can he legally give up allegiance to the Czar if he was Polish? Any help is welcome. Cordially, James M. BURTON. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi all, I have spent my day off adding new resources to the Russia GenWeb. There are several new and neat sites to look into. I've added the Russia Resources column is new and there are many new links on the Russian Information page linked from the Russia links column. Please, if you are aware of any good resources of Russian info, or if you have a website of Russian interest, let me know. I'll add it to the links. Also, any good reference materials would be helpful. Share with us, what you have done to find your Russian relatives. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ruswgw Carol **************************************************************************** New Mailing Lists-to subscribe/ DONEGALEIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com & RUSSIA-L-request@rootsweb.comTo subscribe to this list, send an email to the above address, put the word"subscribe" nothing else, as the body of your email. CANNON, BELL & McMENAMIN Message Board Manager http://cgi-rootsweb.com/~genbbs/index.html Listowner:Carol Queen/Check out my website at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6587 ****************************************************************************

I have a picture of my grandparents taken in Russia in 1891. There is printing in Russian on the back of the photo. I wonder if I could send a scanned copy of the printing to someone who could translate it for me. Could anybody help?

Hi Carol; KUDOS to you for hosting the RUSSIA-L!!!!!! I once co-hosted a mail list and I know the work involved. I especially am thankful to hear from you so promptly. I just wrote Tmakiaz of my appreciation while singing the praises of RUSSIA-L and Rootsweb..that goes for you as well. Its exciting to be in on the ground floor of a new list and I look forward to us learning together and of course the way we do that is to share our discoveries so it will be in the archives for future Rooters, right? Happy trails; Patti Waldo Swaim :)

Hi Tmakiaz; I am so excited to hear from you and so quickly! Mega thanks! I shall spend the rest of the weekend exploring the links you so graciously shared with me. I hope very much that I can help my friend as I know that once he gets started the gen. bug will bite him! Then it will be too late as he will addicted like the rest of us ;) I knew that once I found this mail list that I would be among some of the best in the land! Thank God for the Net, Rootsweb, but most of all the wonderful wonderful sharing folks that I have met there! They never let me down. As I go I shall post my new findings/experiences in hopes that will help others on the list. Thanks very much! happy trails on the hunt; Patti Waldo Swaim :)