This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Russell,Murray, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oZEBAIB/5735 Message Board Post: I left out 2 children in first posting there, one I can not offhand remember name, in first posting there is a john bapt 1836 child of john & elizabeth, and later in years they had another son and named him john he was baptized jan,5,1851. Maybe the first john died.