Rudds, Randy Rudd and I have been working on the following Ames line lately: Samuel Rudd (b. 10 Feb 1779) m. Mary (Polly) Ames (b. 29 Jan 1788) This Samuel is the son of Increase, son of Joseph, son of Nathaniel, son of Lieutenant Jonathan Rudd and Mary ?. A major wall has now come down. Randy sent me documentation of Elijah's parents, who are Daniel Ames and Miriam Button. I came across an on-line book about the Button ancestry on FTW's genealogy library, and it has Miriam's ancestry back many generations, and gives Daniel's parents. For those who are interested, I now have a Word 6.0 file with most of this information on it and would be happy to send it as an attachment to anyone who requests it. I would put the attachment on the listserve, but last I heard this listserve did not permit attachments--is that still true? Please let me know. Thanks. Glenn