I'd like to add to the request from Gloria about the Rudd lines, no matter where they generated from, if they were in the NC, SC area in the 1700s or in those states as well as TN in the 1800s, it would be a great help to us researching Burlingham Rudd, if you could post the dates, census years, counties and states. And if you have names, even just the head of household would help us. There seems to be a mingling of Rudds in those states especially after the Revolution. And if there are Rudds on this list that are in these states as well as GA and FL around the 1830s but can't track back, we'd like to hear from you. And just a little tip for those starting out.. the Rud name which was how the census taker and deed clerk mostly spelled it, at least in the South, has be transposed to Reed by many WPA transcriber who read the "u" as "ee" because of the loops at the top of the "u." For example, and some news for all you Elias David Rudd descendants, for many years researchers have looked for Elias David Rudd and his wife Fannie Breland Tanner back in SC. Well, I have finally found him in the 1820 Beaufort Co. SC census living near the Breland family and in a place around Boggy Gut on Woolf Bays near the Savannah River. This is not far from Two Sister's Ferry when he mustered out of the War of 1812. And guess what, he was listed as Elias Reed. But I have done much research on this find, everything from related lines to land survey and census records and this is no doubt our Elias David Rudd with his first children. So I caution all of you Rudds who can't find your lines to look at the spelling variation and don't rely on census indexes ... don't even rely completely on the census documents ... look for other sources. If you have a Southern Rudd line and you can't connect, let one of us on the Burlingham line know, we might not have the link for you, but we will keep you in mind while we are looking. Linda Rudd

Well, this opens a can of worms for me. I'll have to dig in the Rudd box to look up my Reed stuff to see where they were in these time frames. I confess I've been deleting the ongoing conversation about Burlingham because I know my Rudd lineage, every person in it, and they're from Ireland. Seemed to be obviously no connection. However, although my father was a Rudd by virtue of being the son of a Rudd, he has two Reed lines on his maternal side (to be distinguished from MY maternal side which is almost exclusively Puritan and traveled here with Winthrop's Fleet). I know from memory that my great great great grandfather Reed was Sheriff of Columbia Co., PA, in 1830. I've got the massive "certificate" from his swearing in. He left PA with 7 other families in 1834, via covered wagon...literally a wagon train....to go to Three Rivers, MI, where he and the rest of his descendents were born and buried. That's the location of an acre family burial plot. I remember this only because I was always so fascinated with the "ancient" certificate when I was a kid aside from the fact all my relatives were in Three Rivers. Without digging out my files, I don't remember anything about his family, as in did he move to PA? Or, was he born there? I also have another Reed line and I don't remember a thing about them except they were also "east" in the early 19th century. I am almost certain I have a Reed ancestor who fought in the Revolutionary War. Before I go digging into my records with this stunning idea of Reeds being Rudds, would having them in PA in the early 19th century match up with anything you've been discussing? I'm sorry for deleting the Burlingham stuff and now asking if I should be looking. This is a turn of events I never thought of. Considering the most likely (or commonly disseminated) origin of the name Rudd is the Irish Celtic word for red and that red-haired Vikings were called "Red" (or Hey, Rudd!), there are probably bazillion lines of Rudds. Red haired Vikings settled in north and south Ireland and in Yorkshire (another place of origin for many Rudds). Trying to sort out the Rudds prior to the 1600s becomes very speculative because of sketchy records and so many records lost in church fires. I've got my Rudd line "for sure" to 1717, and probably to 1630 (with some good guesses for holes). It is "guessed" my Rudds were from Yorkshire and were given land in Ireland by Elizabeth Tudor in the 1500s. I'm happy with what I've got and have totally given up getting beyond my Rudds as they are because every church in Ireland has been checked out and we can't get them to Yorkshire with certainty. My line didn't leave Ireland until 1820, so I know I'm not mixed up with Captain Jon and Burlingham unless there's a way to get them all back to Yorkshire. Has anyone done that? Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: <LRudd71847@aol.com> To: <RUDD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [RUDD] Re: RUDD-D Digest V01 #59 > I'd like to add to the request from Gloria about the Rudd lines, no matter > where they generated from, if they were in the NC, SC area in the 1700s or in > those states as well as TN in the 1800s, it would be a great help to us > researching Burlingham Rudd, if you could post the dates, census years, > counties and states. And if you have names, even just the head of household > would help us. There seems to be a mingling of Rudds in those states > especially after the Revolution. And if there are Rudds on this list that are > in these states as well as GA and FL around the 1830s but can't track back, > we'd like to hear from you. > > And just a little tip for those starting out.. the Rud name which was how the > census taker and deed clerk mostly spelled it, at least in the South, has be > transposed to Reed by many WPA transcriber who read the "u" as "ee" because > of the loops at the top of the "u." For example, and some news for all you > Elias David Rudd descendants, for many years researchers have looked for > Elias David Rudd and his wife Fannie Breland Tanner back in SC. Well, I have > finally found him in the 1820 Beaufort Co. SC census living near the Breland > family and in a place around Boggy Gut on Woolf Bays near the Savannah River. > This is not far from Two Sister's Ferry when he mustered out of the War of > 1812. And guess what, he was listed as Elias Reed. But I have done much > research on this find, everything from related lines to land survey and > census records and this is no doubt our Elias David Rudd with his first > children. So I caution all of you Rudds who can't find your lines to look at > the spelling variation and don't rely on census indexes ... don't even rely > completely on the census documents ... look for other sources. > > If you have a Southern Rudd line and you can't connect, let one of us on the > Burlingham line know, we might not have the link for you, but we will keep > you in mind while we are looking. > > Linda Rudd >