Bob, Well mystery solved, Thanks. I never answered any query about Edward, because until his obit showed up in my Muskegon newspaper I didn't know anything about him. I did however know off his son Bill. I have known for many years that he is a minister here at a local church. I was always going to go talk to Bill and see what Rudd line he was from, but haven't made it yet. So when I saw Edward's obit and that he was Bill's father, well with all that info, I though made by someone from this group would know this line. And you do.............so Bill is not related! Boy, that's 3 unrelated (at least in America) Rudd lines in Michigan. Sorry I can't help you with any further info. But thanks so much for solving this mystery for me. Nancy Montague, Muskegon County, MI PS My mother was a Rudd and we're from the Jonathan Rudd line.