Celia, Kevin and Joanne, First, Joanne thanks for sending the church record for Johnson and his kids. Very helpful, but I bet you hand copies it and so there is no "hand" copy. Will DAR except this record?? Has any of you (or any one) heard of a Clark Rudd or his sister Sadie Rudd Risch. I have my GG Grandmothers obit, Sarah DePuy Rudd, wife of David Rudd (son of Erastus & Harriet Hill Rudd) The obit, from Plainfield, Will Co. Ill Nov.1927, says that she died in the home of her daughter Sadie Risch, in Plainfield. And one of the son's that survives her is Clark (of Wisconsin). I do not have either of these children for David and Sarah. The children I have are: Otis died 1924 James was in Chicago in 1927 Milton died 1916 Isabelle Mrs. Bell Younker of CA Sandford died before 1927 Elias (my G Grandfather died 1906, still don't know where?) Peter ?? Ray of Joliet (anyone know anything about Peter or Ray??) Any info will help. THANKS Much Nancy Montague, MI