Hello Janet and all, I'm sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you.... I have had a job change... was let go from my last one... and had to find another... being a single mom of two girls I must do what I must....I have been reading the messages though~smile~ Okay... well Janet.. I don't have much on this family at all... thats why I was grabbing at straws here.... What I do have is this..... Richard Girdon Rudd.....I would say he was born abt. 1850 to 1860.. He married .... Marguerite Robinson.......They had the following children.. Edward Warner Rudd..... born.. 10 June 1880 in New york City, NY Sophie Rudd...? Daisy Rudd...? Richard Girdon Rudd JR.....? My Grandmother tells me of stories of when she was very young.. and they would come home from Panama... where her father Edward Warner Rudd.... was working building the Panama Canal at that time... she would tell me of Walking in Central Park with Marguerite ( Robinson) Rudd... she also told me stories of her Aunts Daisy and Sophie as being Zigfiell Girls...and that Daisy's husband was an Accountant for the Vanderbuilts and others I can't find where I wrote his name down at this time.. but will look or ask grandma again..... I do wish I had more to go on.... I know that they had a family Cemetery in New York City , NY... for grandma said that her cousin Richard Girdon Rudd was asking to buy her fathers plot... and my grandmothers sister wouldn't sell it...this sister also distroyed all the photos of this family when Edward Warner Rudd died of a heartattack in 1945 in Cal.... she said my Great grand mother didn't need them memories...( Hey I sure did..~smile~) I do wish people would just put them away... you know? Anyways... I have ordered a copy of his Social Security app... but it is taking its time getting here.... any tips on where to look ? I did notice that a few Rudds in a message yesterday... married some girls with the last name Robinson.... No it was a Bingham , Benjermin who married a Robinson.... is their any Marguerites in this family?... I feel my Rudds belong here.... I just need to find where????... Has anyone come accross the name Girdon ????..... Does anyone have any family Charts for the John Rudd and Zilpah Warner ??? Janet sorry I don't have more.... : ( Thanks for thinking of me thou.....~smile~.... and I will keep looking... Thanks again..... Didi