I believe that this Louisa may be the sister of Asa Rudd, my husband's great grandfather. We believe that Asa is the son of Vincent Rudd who is the son of Johnson Rudd. After Johnson died, his wife moved the famile to Onondaga Co., NY. Asa was born there in 1832. Vincent is living in Switzerland Co., IN in the 1840 census. In the 1850 census Vincent is living in Will Co., IN with one of his daughters. I assume that his wife died sometime between 1840 and 1850. Vincent has a son Erastus age 6 living with him. Asa is in the same county living with his father's sister Olive McDonald. Other children are living with other aunts and uncles. Perhaps the Mary with Laura is another child who stayed with her sister. Of course this is supposition but it might give you some clues as to where to look. Keep me posted if you find anything. Cheryl Cretin At 04:50 PM 8/7/00 EDT, you wrote: >I'm hoping for some help. I have a Louisa Rudd m. Henry G. Oaks in St Joseph >Cty, IN 11-13-1845. The LaPorte, IN 1850 census gives her age as 30, and >birthplace NY. Henry Oaks was also born in NY, 1817, Cherry Valley, Otsego >Cty. For a long time I thought her parents were Joseph Rudd and Vernera >Smith, but in researching I've found that their Louisa Rudd (also born 1820) >m. Francis Mather. Can anyone suggest anothe Rudd line in NY to search? >The 1850 census also has a Mary Rudd age 9, born NY, living with them, >perhaps a sister? >Thanks in advance. >Terry in Michigan > > >

I checked Rudd Branches and don't find another Louisa/Louise that could be yours. I would guess that if she came from the Otsego area that she ties in to descendants of Jonathan Rudd, the emigrant. We have many members on the list who have people in the Otsego county area. Good luck, Joann Nichols in Vermont Tks1984@aol.com wrote: > > I'm hoping for some help. I have a Louisa Rudd m. Henry G. Oaks in St Joseph > Cty, IN 11-13-1845. The LaPorte, IN 1850 census gives her age as 30, and > birthplace NY. Henry Oaks was also born in NY, 1817, Cherry Valley, Otsego > Cty. For a long time I thought her parents were Joseph Rudd and Vernera > Smith, but in researching I've found that their Louisa Rudd (also born 1820) > m. Francis Mather. Can anyone suggest anothe Rudd line in NY to search? > The 1850 census also has a Mary Rudd age 9, born NY, living with them, > perhaps a sister? > Thanks in advance. > Terry in Michigan

I'm hoping for some help. I have a Louisa Rudd m. Henry G. Oaks in St Joseph Cty, IN 11-13-1845. The LaPorte, IN 1850 census gives her age as 30, and birthplace NY. Henry Oaks was also born in NY, 1817, Cherry Valley, Otsego Cty. For a long time I thought her parents were Joseph Rudd and Vernera Smith, but in researching I've found that their Louisa Rudd (also born 1820) m. Francis Mather. Can anyone suggest anothe Rudd line in NY to search? The 1850 census also has a Mary Rudd age 9, born NY, living with them, perhaps a sister? Thanks in advance. Terry in Michigan

Thanks Celia, Glenn and all of you others who commented on this. I LOVE archeology and everything connected to it. What a thrill when it involvs one's own family! Again, thanks so much. I would have missed it otherwise. Gave up the Nat. Geog. once the kids were on their own, and really miss it. This might be the nudge to get me subscribing to it again. Dot Rudd DuMond

Here is a site for readng about Phip's Fleet: http://www.mcc.gouv.qc.ca/pamu/champs/archeo/epaphips/wreck01.htm Susan

Here is what they have on-line: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0008/hilights.html#e Susan At 09:47 AM 08/06/2000 -0600, Celia Snyder wrote: >Hi, > >If you haven't yet read the August 2000 issue of National Geographic, >you might be interested to know that Increase Rudd's gr-grandfather, >Increase Mosely/Modsley/Maudesley is mentioned. The subject is the >recovery of the remains of the ship, Elizabeth and Mary, which was >sunk in the English battle against the French at Quebec in 1690. > >Increase was the key to identifying the wreckage: "Three >initials-IMS-seen on the dolphin-decorated handle of a porringer, >helped identify the wreck as one from the English fleet commanded by >William Phips. "I" and "S" stand for the first names of a married >couple. "M" is for their last name. Records reveal one such >militiaman aboard the ship; Sgt. Increase Modsley. He and many >fellow soldiers never returned from fighting Frontenac's troops." > >Later in the article: "...Each name represents a family that waited >in vain for the owner to return with the fleet to Massachusetts. >"Sarah Modsley, widow of the sergeant whose porringer we found, >waited 13 years before remarrying," says Grenier." > >Here's the connection: > >Increase Mosely (Maudesley)/Sarah Trescott (second husband John Peabody) >Increase Mosely, Jr./Mary (Marcy) Hazen >Sarah Mosely/Joseph Rudd >Increase Rudd/Bathsheba Johnson > >Celia >in Illinois > >

Thanks, Celia! I don't happen to have a copy of the National Geographic immediately available, but will look it up. In the meantime, some of you may be interested in the website devoted to the Phips operation, this page shows the porringer of Increase: http://www.mcc.gouv.qc.ca/pamu/champs/archeo/epaphips/alphoto/alphoto4.htm (The porringer is the bottom picture, for those who can't read French) Glenn Thibault

Yes it is, Kevin - I might have missed it except that I have a fascination for archeology. I forgot to mention that they have a picture of the porringer in the article, along with a rendering of the ship. >Celia-- > This is fascinating!!!! I'm very glad you shared this. > >Kevin. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Celia Snyder [mailto:cgsnyder@uiuc.edu] >Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:47 AM >To: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Increase Mosely/Modsley/Maudesley in National Geographic > > >Hi, > >If you haven't yet read the August 2000 issue of National Geographic, >you might be interested to know that Increase Rudd's gr-grandfather, >Increase Mosely/Modsley/Maudesley is mentioned. The subject is the >recovery of the remains of the ship, Elizabeth and Mary, which was >sunk in the English battle against the French at Quebec in 1690. > >Increase was the key to identifying the wreckage: "Three >initials-IMS-seen on the dolphin-decorated handle of a porringer, >helped identify the wreck as one from the English fleet commanded by >William Phips. "I" and "S" stand for the first names of a married >couple. "M" is for their last name. Records reveal one such >militiaman aboard the ship; Sgt. Increase Modsley. He and many >fellow soldiers never returned from fighting Frontenac's troops." > >Later in the article: "...Each name represents a family that waited >in vain for the owner to return with the fleet to Massachusetts. >"Sarah Modsley, widow of the sergeant whose porringer we found, >waited 13 years before remarrying," says Grenier." > >Here's the connection: > >Increase Mosely (Maudesley)/Sarah Trescott (second husband John Peabody) >Increase Mosely, Jr./Mary (Marcy) Hazen >Sarah Mosely/Joseph Rudd >Increase Rudd/Bathsheba Johnson > >Celia >in Illinois

Hi, If you haven't yet read the August 2000 issue of National Geographic, you might be interested to know that Increase Rudd's gr-grandfather, Increase Mosely/Modsley/Maudesley is mentioned. The subject is the recovery of the remains of the ship, Elizabeth and Mary, which was sunk in the English battle against the French at Quebec in 1690. Increase was the key to identifying the wreckage: "Three initials-IMS-seen on the dolphin-decorated handle of a porringer, helped identify the wreck as one from the English fleet commanded by William Phips. "I" and "S" stand for the first names of a married couple. "M" is for their last name. Records reveal one such militiaman aboard the ship; Sgt. Increase Modsley. He and many fellow soldiers never returned from fighting Frontenac's troops." Later in the article: "...Each name represents a family that waited in vain for the owner to return with the fleet to Massachusetts. "Sarah Modsley, widow of the sergeant whose porringer we found, waited 13 years before remarrying," says Grenier." Here's the connection: Increase Mosely (Maudesley)/Sarah Trescott (second husband John Peabody) Increase Mosely, Jr./Mary (Marcy) Hazen Sarah Mosely/Joseph Rudd Increase Rudd/Bathsheba Johnson Celia in Illinois

Celia-- This is fascinating!!!! I'm very glad you shared this. Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Celia Snyder [mailto:cgsnyder@uiuc.edu] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:47 AM To: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Increase Mosely/Modsley/Maudesley in National Geographic Hi, If you haven't yet read the August 2000 issue of National Geographic, you might be interested to know that Increase Rudd's gr-grandfather, Increase Mosely/Modsley/Maudesley is mentioned. The subject is the recovery of the remains of the ship, Elizabeth and Mary, which was sunk in the English battle against the French at Quebec in 1690. Increase was the key to identifying the wreckage: "Three initials-IMS-seen on the dolphin-decorated handle of a porringer, helped identify the wreck as one from the English fleet commanded by William Phips. "I" and "S" stand for the first names of a married couple. "M" is for their last name. Records reveal one such militiaman aboard the ship; Sgt. Increase Modsley. He and many fellow soldiers never returned from fighting Frontenac's troops." Later in the article: "...Each name represents a family that waited in vain for the owner to return with the fleet to Massachusetts. "Sarah Modsley, widow of the sergeant whose porringer we found, waited 13 years before remarrying," says Grenier." Here's the connection: Increase Mosely (Maudesley)/Sarah Trescott (second husband John Peabody) Increase Mosely, Jr./Mary (Marcy) Hazen Sarah Mosely/Joseph Rudd Increase Rudd/Bathsheba Johnson Celia in Illinois

The Tennessee Hopeful could do a lot worse than Mark Udall, but he could never pick a better man.

Well Mark Udall isn't in the VP mix - he's busy working on Colorado issues - I ought to know after I work for him here in Colorado.... Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns

--part1_29.840f2c0.26b50913_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry. Got on the wrong line. Rudd8@aol.com. First mistake I ever made. --part1_29.840f2c0.26b50913_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <RUDD-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (rly-ye03.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.200]) by air-ye01.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:08:33 -0400 Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by rly-ye03.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.9) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:08:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6T37mi15412; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:07:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:07:48 -0700 X-Original-Sender: MEJ1@aol.com Fri Jul 28 20:07:48 2000 From: MEJ1@aol.com Message-ID: <f9.14ee34f.26b3a475@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:07:33 EDT Subject: Re: RUDD-D Digest V00 #94 Old-To: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists6.rootsweb.com id e6T37mw15383 Resent-Message-ID: <zlyShD.A.lwD.Eqkg5@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <RUDD-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1727 X-Loop: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: RUDD-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lists6.rootsweb.com id e6T37mi15412 Capt. John Rudd -- More on this line. First of all John Rudd of Henrico County Virginia and of Chesterfield County= ,=20 Virginia and records in the Amelia County Courthouse --- they are also some=20 records in the=20 <A HREF=3D"http://eagle.vsla.edu/colonial/">Virginia Colonial Records Projec= t=20 VTLS Virtua-W=E2=80=A6</A> site. You can start there and search the docume= nts,=20 wills, etc of Capt. John Rudd. =20 Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns --part1_29.840f2c0.26b50913_boundary--

Mo???? >The spin here is that Mo's son is high on the list for >Al Gore's running mate. Is that so? (He couldn't do any >better, if he is anything like his Dad). > >Double Cousin (Rudd/Johns)Edith Kyser Smith in Texas

The spin here is that Mo's son is high on the list for Al Gore's running mate. Is that so? (He couldn't do any better, if he is anything like his Dad). Double Cousin (Rudd/Johns)Edith Kyser Smith in Texas

Capt. John Rudd -- More on this line. First of all John Rudd of Henrico County Virginia and of Chesterfield County, Virginia and records in the Amelia County Courthouse --- they are also some records in the <A HREF="http://eagle.vsla.edu/colonial/">Virginia Colonial Records Project VTLS Virtua-W…</A> site. You can start there and search the documents, wills, etc of Capt. John Rudd. Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns

Jim..... I wish I could give you more. I just remember bits and pieces while I look for my seemingly non-existant RUDD family member. I do remember reading it on a list some one posted on the web with their version of where all the RUDDS in the U.S. came from and their place of origin. I will make an effort to find the information, because before I could save on floppy I hand copied or printed everything. --- JIM0031@aol.com wrote: > Ron, that's an interesting story and I would > like to hear more about it. Any > idea where I can find out more about this John > Rudds life. Thanks > a lot Jim Rudd > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Ron, that's an interesting story and I would like to hear more about it. Any idea where I can find out more about this John Rudds life. Thanks a lot Jim Rudd

To all related to Burligham Rudd - here is a question/dilemma: Burlingham Rudd Sr. lived in Anson County North Carolina. His sons, George L and Burlingham Jr also lived there for a while. I have records from Anson County Deed Abstracts that Burlingham Sr gave Burlingham Jr land in Jan 1757. I also have a record that Burlinham (don't know which one, but I assume it is Jr.) married to Elizabeth had three children baptized in the Prince Frederick County in South Carolina in October of 1745. The children listed are Burlingham, Walter, and Martha. Did they briefly go down to SC? Does not make sense to me that they are still listed in Anson County multiple times in the 1750's, and in SC in 1745. Anyone know about this? Anne Barnes

Janet......wasn't there a sea captain named JOHN RUDD who transported and sold slaves, and sold his own son who was also named JOHN, and his wife into slavery for their passage into this country, or have I misread? Thanks, R.Presley --- "Edwin V. & Janet S. McKenney, Jr." <edjan@starpower.net> wrote: > There is no proof that John RUDD, Sr., was the > son of Captain John > RUDD. Captain RUDD is found in Virginia > records starting about 1663 > until about 1699. I have found no evidence in > the records I have had > available to me that Captain RUDD ever settled > in Virginia. Capt. RUDD > did have a family according to a letter written > in March of 1685. Capt. > > RUDD was a relative to William BYRD I, and > William wrote to Capt. John, > calling him uncle, in 1685. In the letter > William says he considered it > > a "great misfortune...that wee are wholly > deprived of ever having your > company in Virginia Again, where wee have been > so often merry > together...." This would indicate that Capt. > RUDD did not live or > settle in the Virginia colony - or, as the > letter shows, any other part > of the new world. William continues his letter > with "I have great hopes > > (God willing) to see England next year and then > doubt not but I shall > bee so happy to see you in London." The letter > shows that the Captain's > > wife was still living at this time and that > they had children - "Pray > give my best respects and service to my aunt > RUDDS, and to tell her I > beg her acceptance of an otter skin herewith > sent; remember mee to > ...our good daughter, not forgetting all the > small girls" William > signs the letter "Dear uncle your obliged > cousin and servant Wm. B." The > > letter was sent "to Capt RUDS per his son." > The book Rudd, Pollard, > Youngblood and Related Families by Margaret > Rudd YOUNGBLOOD, 1980, > states that he (Capt. John RUDD) may have been > a merchant from > Scotland. Records do show that he transported > goods, such as tobacco, > between the Virginia colony and England and > that he was at various times > > captain of the "John and Mary," the "William > and Sarah," and later of > the "Hopewell." London port records show him > as "master of ship" in > 1672, 1675, 1676, 1677, and 1696. He is found > on occasion in the > Charles City County court records and in the > minutes of the Council and > General Court of Virginia. He is also found a > few times in the Henrico > Co. court records witnessing wills and deeds. > None of these court > records indicated a residency in Virginia or, > for that matter, any where > > else. Capt. RUDD did receive land for > importing persons - one entry > shows 1250 acres; however, there is no evidence > to show that he ever > resided on that land. According to the book An > Irish Rudd Family, by > Norman RUDD, Capt. RUDD moved to Newberry Co., > SC, and established a > large plantation on the Saluda River at > Chappells, SC. I have found > RUDDs there, but have not been able to confirm > that it was Capt. RUDD > who settled there. William BYRD's letter would > certainly indicate > otherwise. To date, I have not found any > evidence, hard or > circumstantial, that would lead me to believe > that the John RUDD who > married Avis WHITTAKER was the son of Capt. > John RUDD. I have never > corresponded with a RUDD researcher (and that > includes Hugh RUDD who is > a well-known and well-respected RUDD > researcher) who could furnish any > small bit of information that would give any > support to Capt. John being > > the father of John RUDD of Chesterfield Co., > VA. > > There is, however, evidence that shows John > RUDD (who married Avis) was > > an indentured servant. Depositions made almost > 40 years after his death > > tell of both he and Avis WHITTAKER being > indentured servants and of > their first child and possibly their second > child being born out of > wedlock. (An indentured servant could not > marry while fulfilling his > or her contract.) Cavaliers and Pioneers, > Patent Book No. 11, p. 228, > shows an Avis WHITAKER, along with 10 other > people as being imported by > the EPES. In 1721, the EPES received 538a of > land in Prince George Co., > > VA, as a result of this importation. A > deposition made in 1786 states > that Avis had been a servant of Peter ROWLETT. > (Virginia granted 50a > per importation - a "headright." This was > easily abused by sailors as > they claimed 50a every time they sailed to > Virginia - they then could > sell their claim. In the case of indentured > servants the 50a went to the > > one who paid the servant's passage. These > headrights could be bought > and sold so the person claiming 200a for > importing four persons was not > necessarily the person who actually paid the > passage costs. It is also > possible that the servant paid his own way and > then sold his headright > rather than claim the land. Also, persons > named on the same list of > importations need not have come on the same > ship nor arrived in the same > > year. (The Source, EAKLE & CERNY, p. 220) > > After their indenturship, John and Avis married > and had six more > children. No record of their marriage has been > found, but they probably > married sometime around 1710. John and Avis > lived on a plantation that > > was on the Spring Run of Swift Creek. On 20 > August 1711, John had > received a patent for 312a in Henrico Co. which > crossed Spring Run > adjacent to Thomas CHEATHAM, Ellison CLARK, and > John FERGUSON. This > area is in the western part of Chesterfield Co. > and near the present > Amelia/Chesterfield Co. Line. > > If there is any RUDD researcher who can show > any shred of information > that Capt. John was the father of John of > Chesterfield, please make it > known here. It would great to be able to claim > Capt. John as our > ancestor, but until there is something more to > support such a claim, we > who descend from John and Avis RUDD need to be > careful in how we present > > this part of our family's history. > > Janet > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/