I would like to expound on Ellen's commentary as my maternal roots begin with surnames Lathrop/Pratt and some Winthrops. My Rev. John Lathrop came in 1635 (he was b. 1584) to Mass. on the vessel Griffin (he was a Puritan and the crown was glad to be rid of his influence against the Church of England.) They left Barnstable/Scituate Mass. and settle in New London, CT area. Where I'm going with this is during researching these early New England settlers in my line, numerous Rudds appear in the town records and documents. Having the Rudd family in my paternal line made me hope they were connected BUT this is not the case unless someone has evidence from 1500's or earlier in England that the 2 John Rudd families and the Burlingham Rudd family, which seem to be the main 3 Rudd families being researched on this list, are connected. The earliest Rudds came in the wave of Puritans/Pilgrims in the time frame Ellen has referenced. Considerably later, a Rudd line comes to VA, both are John Rudds but have no proveable connection. Later still, Burlingham Rudd is sent by the crown to NC. I've had no problem keeping my line, which is Burlingham, apart from the New England Rudds, but it has been hard research for many since some of the VA Rudds end up in NC and SC among or near the Burlingham tribe.(and I can assure you, as can Linda Rudd and others, that unraveling parentage in the Burlingham tribe is a hard mission in and of itself...) I just didn't want to see confusion by new researchers on the list perhaps thinking that they needed to look towards New England if they are from the other 2 Rudd clans. However, if anyone on the list can enlighten us on any of the Rudd tribes BEFORE they crossed the pond, that might be helpful to all of us looking for the paternity of our first Rudd in the Colonies, especially in light of a John Rudd (not the VA family) who arrives in NC one year earlier than Burlingham Rudd (1727/1728 respectively). No proof that they are related, but I find it strange that this John Rudd arrives a year before Burlingham and comes to NC (as opposed to PA or New England if he had family already here), yet I have never seen inquiry or evidence of his line being furthered. Perhaps he died soon after, but it is possible that he increased his line and those descendants may have become intertwined in the Burlingham tree since Burlingham (how ever many of them there might be, 2, 3 or more) was traceable through documents and was in the same vicinity...one could easily draw a conclusion that by virtue of date and location, Burlingham must be the earliest ancestor. Much is coming to light that may make us question IF Burlingham is indeed the correct earliest ancestor to us. I'd love to see some dialogue from others that feel uncertain with the way their Burlingham or George L. Rudd tree reads...pardon the length, but wanted clarity that the CT/MA, VA, and NC Rudds are not related (to the best of our knowledge) to spare unwarranted searches of places where ancestors won't be found when the energy is best spent (especially in the Burlingham tribe) nailing down NC/SC/GA/AL and FL connections. Thanks for your patience and hope to see some lively exchanges on these elusive ancestors. Gloria Rudd Poston Godwin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen" <ellenrudd@earthlink.net> To: <RUDD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [RUDD] Re: RUDD-D Digest V01 #59 > Winthrop's Fleet made its largest trip, the one called The Great Migration, > in 1630. There were other trips later that involved individual ships, but > not the entire fleet at one time. I have 7 or 8 direct lines from my mother > that were subscribers with the Fleet. There was much intermarriage the > first 2 or 3 generations which is how I happen to have so many lines that > were part of the group. Most WF descendents have a "troop" of ancestors > that were with the Fleet. Not many stayed in the Boston area because there > was not enough fresh water to support the huge influx of people. Many, most > of my ancestors included, moved up to CT shortly thereafter. My ancestors > mostly lived in the Greenwich area . Because Winthrop has such a huge > influence on my heritage, I have done considerable research about him and > his "followers". Most came from Co. Suffolk (his home) and Essex (the > neighboring county), but not all. The point of all this is they weren't > even thinking of the New World in the 1500s. With the trip occuring in > 1630, very few of the adults were even born before 1590. > > Ellen Rudd.........my Rudd lineage is Irish > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MEJ1@aol.com> > To: <RUDD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:38 AM > Subject: [RUDD] Re: RUDD-D Digest V01 #59 > > > > I think it was Capt John Rudd 1643-46 of the Hopewell in our line - > > Virginia. Jonathan Rudd I believe came into CT int he 1500's with the > > Winthrop Fleet > > > > Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns > > > >

In a message dated 8/15/01 7:02:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, RUDD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Dear Shirley, According to the research that I have done, and others have done. The first Rudd who came to America was Jonathan Rudd who came to Old Saybrook, Connecticut in 1640 at the age of 17 years. Jack Dieterle (JACKDIET@ AOL.COM)

Winthrop's Fleet made its largest trip, the one called The Great Migration, in 1630. There were other trips later that involved individual ships, but not the entire fleet at one time. I have 7 or 8 direct lines from my mother that were subscribers with the Fleet. There was much intermarriage the first 2 or 3 generations which is how I happen to have so many lines that were part of the group. Most WF descendents have a "troop" of ancestors that were with the Fleet. Not many stayed in the Boston area because there was not enough fresh water to support the huge influx of people. Many, most of my ancestors included, moved up to CT shortly thereafter. My ancestors mostly lived in the Greenwich area . Because Winthrop has such a huge influence on my heritage, I have done considerable research about him and his "followers". Most came from Co. Suffolk (his home) and Essex (the neighboring county), but not all. The point of all this is they weren't even thinking of the New World in the 1500s. With the trip occuring in 1630, very few of the adults were even born before 1590. Ellen Rudd.........my Rudd lineage is Irish ----- Original Message ----- From: <MEJ1@aol.com> To: <RUDD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: [RUDD] Re: RUDD-D Digest V01 #59 > I think it was Capt John Rudd 1643-46 of the Hopewell in our line - > Virginia. Jonathan Rudd I believe came into CT int he 1500's with the > Winthrop Fleet > > Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns >

I think it was Capt John Rudd 1643-46 of the Hopewell in our line - Virginia. Jonathan Rudd I believe came into CT int he 1500's with the Winthrop Fleet Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns

Hi Shirley, We estimate that Jonathan Rudd was born ca 1620 and first shows up in US records in 1640. I believe Captain John Rudd of Virginia also arrived in the 1600's, but I couldn't give you any more accurate date. Perhaps Linda Reams or someone else could fill us in? Celia >Thank you for those responding to the question of "Who was the oldest Rudd. >Are there dates? >Thanks Again >Best Regards, >Shirley

Thank you for those responding to the question of "Who was the oldest Rudd. Are there dates? Thanks Again Best Regards, Shirley

My guess is Jonathan Rudd of Connecticut. Joann Nichols ShirleyCalhoun wrote: > Hi Everyone, > Can someone tell me who the first Rudd was in America? By that I mean,the earliest time,a Rudd came to America? > Thanks, > Shirley

Hi Everyone, Can someone tell me who the first Rudd was in America? By that I mean,the earliest time,a Rudd came to America? Thanks, Shirley

I don't have any records of it myself but it seems there was a Thomas Rudd that came over for an inspection trip. He had been commissioned by the King to oversee fortifications for the frontier. He did not stay. It is my suspicion, eventhough, unfounded that Jonathan could have come with him on one of his trips. There is no verifiable connection between Jonathan and Thomas however.. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joann Nichols" <jnichols@sover.net> To: <RUDD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [RUDD] Oldest Rudd > My guess is Jonathan Rudd of Connecticut. > > Joann Nichols > > ShirleyCalhoun wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > Can someone tell me who the first Rudd was in America? By that I mean,the earliest time,a Rudd came to America? > > Thanks, > > Shirley > >

Hi Anne, Sounds like you are having a full summer. Remember the Prince Frederick Parish baptisms you sent me? If this Burlingham (2nd), that married the widow Mary Whaley, is the one born in 1741 in those baptisms, then he was about 85 when they married and 94 when he died. Based on the birth year of Mary Whaley's first born, William Whaley about 1801, if that is Burlingham 2nd, he was about 40 years her senior. Her youngest child, George P. Whaley, would have been about 21, so she didn't have any young children needing care. And when you factor in that there are two named Burlingham Rudd in 1800 that say they are over 45 years old, one in Barnwell, SC and one in Charleston, SC, it's very possible that the one in Charleston IS NOT the Burlingham 2nd he has been believed to be all these years. And another thing, in all the information, deeds, wills, etc., I've looked at, I find nothing that says that Burlingham 2nd was the father of Burlingham 3rd (the Revolutionary Patriot). So I don't know how that conclusion was drawn. If anyone has some information on that, I sure would appreciate their sharing it. Linda Rudd

Hi Linda, How are you doing? I have been so busy. Lots of company. First I had my niece here, then dropped my son off at camp, then my niece went home and my parents came. Then pick the son up from camp. And so on. The short of it is, I have not had time to read all of this wonderful stuff. So as soon as I have a spare minute, I am going to go through it. Guess what? My husband fences (the sport), and next year the championships are in South Carolina. So guess what I am going to do while he is fencing. We are going to take our vacation there, and I want to do a bunch of research there and NC. So start making a list of things we want, and I will get them. It will be next June/July. Talk to you later. Anne -----Original Message----- From: LRudd71847@aol.com [mailto:LRudd71847@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:31 AM To: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [RUDD] Marriage Settlement of Burlingham Rudd and Mary Whaley Rudd Marriage Settlement of Burlingham Rudd and Mary Whaley Rudd Charleston District, South Carolina Whereas Mrs. Mary Whaley, now Mrs. Burlingham Rudd, is authorized to sell and convey any portion of her real or personal Estate, which she owned before her intermarriage with the said Burlingham Rudd which said contract is of record in the Office of the Secretary of State for the State aforesaid, and whereas the said Mary Rudd is desirous of conveying certain negroes to her son, George P. Whaley. Now know all men by these presents that the said Mary Rudd for and in consideration of natural love and affection and for the sum of one dollar paid to the said Mary by the said George P. Whaley, has sold, bargained and conveyed to the said George P. Whaley the three following negroes, viz.: Isaac about eight years of age, Phillis about four years of age, and Cate about two years old, the said negroes being part of the personal Estate contained in the aforesaid marriage contract, the said negroes to be delivered at my death, it being covenanted and agreed to by the said George P. Whaley and the said Mary Rudd for herself, her heirs, executors, administrators and assigns forever warrants and --- the negroes above named to the said George P. Whaley, his heirs, executors, administrators and assigns. In Testimony whereof the said Mary Rudd has hereunto affixed her mark and seal the twenty-second day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty-five. Witness: Mary West Williams her X mark Thomas L. West Rudd Thomas Brabham ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Charleston District Personally appeared before G. Crawford, D. U., West Williams who being duly sworn sayeth that he was present and did see Mary Rudd subscribe her mark and as her act and deed deliver the within set forth and that Thomas L. West and Thomas Brabham was at the same time present with himself and did subscribe their names as witness to the same. West Williams Sworn before me This 23 day of April 1835 G. Crawford, D. U. Recorded 2 July 1835

I am looking for information about my great great grandfather Alexander G. Rudd. Alexander was a photographer during the Civil War and had a photography shop in Thibodaux, Louisiana. According to my records he was born in Ohio but came to Louisiana before July of1883. His parents were William Rudd & Catherine Baudine. I believe William Rudd was born in Ohio and I believe Catherine Baudine was born in New York but this is all I know of Alexander's parents. Jul 28 2001 Descendants of: William Rudd 1 William Rudd #679 m. Catherine Baudine #680 2 Alexander G. Rudd #165 b. 22-Dec-1836 d. 18-Apr-1922 m. Sarah Elise Weber #166 [Chudie] m. 4-Jul-1883 b. 25-Sep-1858 d. 28-Dec-1942 3 Agnes Rudd #623 [Agnes] b. 19-Apr-1886 d. 1-Jul-1888 3 Pauline Hatti Rudd #167 b. 18-Dec-1887 d. 7-Oct-1972 3 Catherine Elizabeth Rudd #164 [Carrie] b. 31-Aug-1889 d. 6-Jun-1946 m. Henry Isidore Ber #163 m. 6-Apr-1910 b. ??-Dec-1884 d. 20-Dec-1949 4 Warren Isidore Ber #79 b. 27-FEB-1911 d. 1-May-1989 m. Margery LaFleur #66 b. 26-NOV-1913 d. 06-JUN-1994 4 Catherine Ber #637 b. 13-Mar-1913 m. William Cenac #639 4 Elwood Rudd John Ber #638 [Big Elwood] b. 21-Apr-1917 d. 29-Nov-1979 m. Laura Agnes Ledet #813 b. 13-May-1918 3 Marie Alexendria Rudd #624 [Ella] b. 25-May-1892 d. 11-Nov-1895 3 Orena Josephine Rudd #625 [Orena] b. 28-Jun-1894 d. 15-Aug-1913 I would like to hear from anyone who has an interest in this family. Chip Pace chip.pace@mindspring.com

You're welcome cousin Shirley. Hope you find the information interesting. I think you have to read all of the documents together in order to get the complete context. Linda Rudd

Hi to all the Rudd's in America/Canada, infact everywhere. I am a Rudd from England, and enjoy looking through all the Index that people find on our surname, good luck to everyone out there on your searches. Yours Sincerely Anthony Rudd

Hey Linda, Thanks so much for all the things ya sent..you know what? Your a great cuz,lol,and by the way,a great Rudd investergator! Thanks Again, Shirley

You're welcome cousin Harry. I would really like some input on this. And there is more interesting information to come! Linda

Linda, Thank you for sharing all of this VERY INTERESTING information. I'm sure I'll have questions as soon as I've re-read it again. Harry

Last Will and Testament Mary (Whaley) Rudd of St. James Goose Creek, Charleston District, South Carolina In the Name of God, Amen. I Mary Rudd of the State of South Carolina and Charleston District and the Parish of St. James Goose Creek being weak in body but of a sound mind and memory and knowing that it is appointed unto all men once to die and as it has pleased Almighty God to bless me with a portion of this worlds goods, I Mary Rudd, widow, do constitute this to be my last will and testament, that is to say, I give my body to be buried in a Christian-like manner and my spirit to God that gave it and as it regards my worldly goods namely a negro woman named Jinny and a negro man Isaac, Fillis and her child Milly and Cate, a negro boy Ned which I dispose of in the following manner. First, I order all the above named property to be sold at auction and all my lawful debts paid then I order that the remainder to be equally divided between my two sons William Whaley and George P. Whaley and my daughter Mary Gibson's children to receive one fourth part and my daughter Susannah Nettles one fourth part, provided that the above named property by any conveyance execution to them previously, otherwise they are not to realize no part of the above named property further than their former claims will entitle them to. And I further give and bequeath unto my daughter Susannah Nettles all my household and kitchen furniture and I further give to my daughter Susannah Nettles' two children all my stock of hogs and cattle and I do hereby constitute and appoint my son, George P. Whaley, as my sole Executor to this my Last Will and Testament and revoking all others. I constitute and make this to be my Last Will and Testament. Given under my hand and seal the 7th day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand and forty-eight. Mary X Rudd (L S) Sign, sealed and acknowledged in the presence of: I Bradwell, Sr. West Williams Middleton Whaley Proved before M. T. Mendenhall, Esq. S. C. D. 7 August 1850. On 3 April, George P. Whaley qualified as Executor under decree of Ordinary pronounced 13 March 1851. Recorded in Will Book K-1845/1851, page 402

Estate of the Late Burlingham Rudd of St. James Parish Goose Creek, Charleston District, South Carolina An Inventory and Appraisement of the Estate of the Late Burlingham Rudd of St. James Parish Goose Creek, Planter, deceased, this 21st day of May 1836 1 Negro woman $600 1 Sorrel mare $5 28 hog $56 1 Brown Bay mare $20 5 Head Cattle $30 1 2-horse wagon & gears $20 a riding chain & harness $5 a lot of Blacksmith tools $3 a lot of carpenters tools $3.50 a lot of plant tools $8 1 looking glass $.12 1 pr. fire dogs, tongs & shovel $.75 1 feather bed, bedstead & furniture $18 bedstead, bed, furniture $8 1 brass watch $5 4 tables $4 1 chest $.50 1 lot books $1 2 old trunks, wearing apparel $3 1 stone pitcher, lot crockery $1 1 lot pewter, knives, forks, etc. $1 1 lot coopers ware and lot of iron $1 1 pr. steel yards $1 Lot pots $2 1 lot corn $2 lot fodder $.50 1 Stone Mill $8 1 Grind Stone $2 2 cow hides $2 1 loom & gears $4 2 coffee mills $1 1 smoothing iron $1 1 lot bottles, jugs, and jars $2.50 barrels, measures, etc. $1.25 1 lot cotton seed $3 1 bee hive $1.50 6 baskets, 2 pr. cards $1.25 1 gun $5 1 riffle $1 1 pr. saddle bags, umbrella, whip and cane, deer skin $1.50 6 sitting chairs $3.00 Poultry ? 2 ducks $1 Apr. by us and Produced by Elizabeth Smith, exec. $839.37 Wm, Mellard, Stephen Williams, B. Godfrey The exec. Accounts for cash in hand $ 23.75 $863.12 Charleston Co., SC, Clerk of the Court Office, Inventories, Book H, page 174

Marriage Settlement of Burlingham Rudd and Mary Whaley Rudd Charleston District, South Carolina Whereas Mrs. Mary Whaley, now Mrs. Burlingham Rudd, is authorized to sell and convey any portion of her real or personal Estate, which she owned before her intermarriage with the said Burlingham Rudd which said contract is of record in the Office of the Secretary of State for the State aforesaid, and whereas the said Mary Rudd is desirous of conveying certain negroes to her son, George P. Whaley. Now know all men by these presents that the said Mary Rudd for and in consideration of natural love and affection and for the sum of one dollar paid to the said Mary by the said George P. Whaley, has sold, bargained and conveyed to the said George P. Whaley the three following negroes, viz.: Isaac about eight years of age, Phillis about four years of age, and Cate about two years old, the said negroes being part of the personal Estate contained in the aforesaid marriage contract, the said negroes to be delivered at my death, it being covenanted and agreed to by the said George P. Whaley and the said Mary Rudd for herself, her heirs, executors, administrators and assigns forever warrants and --- the negroes above named to the said George P. Whaley, his heirs, executors, administrators and assigns. In Testimony whereof the said Mary Rudd has hereunto affixed her mark and seal the twenty-second day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty-five. Witness: Mary West Williams her X mark Thomas L. West Rudd Thomas Brabham ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Charleston District Personally appeared before G. Crawford, D. U., West Williams who being duly sworn sayeth that he was present and did see Mary Rudd subscribe her mark and as her act and deed deliver the within set forth and that Thomas L. West and Thomas Brabham was at the same time present with himself and did subscribe their names as witness to the same. West Williams Sworn before me This 23 day of April 1835 G. Crawford, D. U. Recorded 2 July 1835