I believe what she is saying is to post the state in which you are researching a person. For example: I am researching John Smith in Smith County. DO NOT do this. Instead post this: I am researching John Smith in Smith County, Kentucky. By stating what state you are researching will help others researching that name and state. This will then hopefully connect you with a cousin. Kristie -------Original Message------- From: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 06:08:37 PM To: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RUDD] Topic Line Change I am dense. I do not understand what Kristy is saying.. Suggestion: We read all messages, hoping to get a clue to our own ancestors ... so ... would the persons kind enough to share information with us, please please name the state. Was it Lincoln County ... what state? I see this a lot ...naming a city, a county, and not the state ... I do appreciate the time and money spent by those sharing their findings ... I do share what little I have ... and can get ..

May I add to that suggestion. You should ALWAYS include about dates along with complete places.

Thanks Beryl for that great information and good luck on your book. How wonderful that library was so generous with information, even if it was in Danish ... lol... For me personally, I think the origin of the Rudd name down through the centuries probably began in more than one ancient place with more than one ancient family. I really enjoy reading stories and histories of the origins of the name and it's same general interpretation seems to hold true, no matter what country it sprung up in. I don't subscribe to the belief that ONE RUD came into the world and from thence we all sprung as the family spread throughout the centuries. I'd just like to someday be able to figure out Burlingham Rudd's American line, who he was back in England, who he became in America, what his life was like here during the founding of a new country from a wilderness. Thanks again for sharing your research on the name. Linda Rudd

Dear cousins; As has been mentioned, the LDS Family History Center is a wonderful place with tons and tons of information and records about every phase of genealogy. However, the Ancestral Files, while they contain much useful information they also contain at least twice as much misinformation for the same individuals. So every thing you get from those records, while providing a useful starting point, must be independently verified before you use it. I have visited the Center in Salt Lake at least six times and come away with much information every time. But, I made a trip back to Saybrook, Norwich, Bennington, and Middletown Spring, among other places to verify what I found. At the Family Ancestral Files I found at least five different wives listed for Jonathan and still had to come to my own conclusions as to whom he married. Don't disappear. It all becomes as clear as mud as you get into it. Milton Rudd

I have just completed a book entitled "The Rudds of Marton" (my ancestors). In order to complete a chapter on the origins of my Rudd bunch, I wrote to the Royal Danish Library in Copenhagento see if they had anything. They sent me back some photocopies of old books written in Danish - mostly telling of the exploits of various Ruds but a couple of bits about the origins which I have had translated. Basically it says that the name Rud is from old nobility with close links to the Western Zealand area. It goes on to say that the family bore a permanent surname from the 14th century and possibly even earlier, as the name is probably the point of origin of the rhomboid bearing of the coat of arms (a picture of the coat of arms was sent me). My book states that Rudds have been traced back to the early 11th Century in Ireland but there is nothing to suggest that this is where the name originated. The Danes had begun to settle on the shores of Ireland at least from the 8th Century and even earlier in England. The translation of the Danish Rud is red, ruddy or fierce and bloody. Further info from Denmark says that the ancient Zealand had its family name by the 14th century but whether this has been chosen after the family's ancient bearing, a silver lozenge in a blue field, or whether the name has motivated the choice of the bearing, it is impossible to say. Whether these Ruds are connected with the Rudds of Great Britian in any way is also impossible to say. Beryl

Hi Rudd Cousins: In answer to the questions surrounding "I noticed on the net that our Jonathan Rudd had a father named Jonathan," and "His father, Jonathan born abt 1597 in England & died abt 1668 no place listed," is not accurate. It would appear that the above information "got from the net" was based on the LDS Church's Ancestral File. As far as the Jonathan Rudd information mentioned in the Ancestral File, it is seriously convoluted. Jonathan Rudd, born in England, who came to America as a 17-year old had the following children with his wife, Mary: Mary, b. 1649; m. Thomas Bingham 12 Dec 1666; Patience, b. 1652, m. Samuel Bushnell, 7 Oct 1675; Nathaniel, b. 22 May 1653, m. Mary Post, 16 April 1685, and Abigail Hartshorn, 31 January 1705/1706; and Jonathan Rudd, b. 1655, m. Mercy Bushnell, 19 Dec 1678. Unfortunately, as the material sent to the Ancestral File merged together the father and son became confusing with the information stating that the son was the father of his father (confusing to say the least). The fact is that the original Jonathan Rudd, born in England, died in Saybrook in July 1658 (not 1668). Since Jonathan died intestate, a Colonial Connecticut Particular Court packet, was created on 18 August 1658 (after the death of Jonathan) which was sworn to and subscribed on that date, a complete inventory of Jonathan Rudd's estate.

Ellen, that is a great history lesson. Thanks for sharing it with us. Joann Nichols Ellen wrote: > They were busy attacking from around 700 through the 1000s. The first > written record of a Rudd (spelled Rud) is, I believe, 10th century in > northern Ireland. The 1400s were downright civilized in England. That was > the last century of the Plantaget rule and the ascent of the first Tudor, > Henry VII. The English had been sending periodic "conquering hoards" to > Ireland since the 1100s under Kind Edward of "Braveheart" fame. The Vikings > had all been well assimilated into the culture by then. The last of the > foreign invaders to have a major impact in England were the Normans, under > William the Bastard, or William the Conquerer. He got the throne after his > famous slaughter in 1066. Saxon rule bit the dust at the that time. All > this was going on in England w/o a whole lot of impact on Ireland until the > Normans started settling in for good. It was inevitable, I suppose, their > wandering eye would find its way to Ireland. I also believe it is accurate > to say that that the Saxons were the English at that time. The Normans, the > Plantagenet Kings, considered themselves French since they owned Normandy > and Aquitaine and huge other chunks of what is now France. What was > actually French in 1066 was a little island on which sat Paris and not much > else. At any rate, the Vikings were pretty well assimilated in Ireland, > Scotland, and England (and wherever else they went) by the 1100s. The > Saxons were the good English being slaughtered by Normans. England wasn't > English until the Tudors took the throne away from the Plantagenets in the > 1400s, and I'm sure there are people who debate how English the Tudors were. > Henry Tudor was part Welsh, which was still considered Celtic at that time. > Many of the "new" religions, including the Puritans, began to crop up under > the Tudors (except for under Mary). It was Elizabeth, my hero, with her > stable country and full coffers that could support a Navy and expeditions to > "see what's out there" that got the first of us over here. The Irish aren't > that fond of her, I think. The English have insisted Ireland is their's for > 900 years and it's getting irritating. My ancestors, allegedly sent to > Ireland by Elizabeth, probably weren't the favorite folks on the block. > It's all relative. And, our Rudd ancestors were English, Scots, or Irish by > then no matter what they started out as during the invasions. > > You have a lovely fantasy and I've no comment about the debate about Vikings > in North America in the Dark Ages. That tends to become a heated > discusussion. But, I think it would be impossible to get all the Rudds tied > together with a common Viking ancestor. Vikings came from more than one > country, too. Denmark and Norway come to mind. > > This is a simplistic timeline of Irish history: > http://www.usm.maine.edu/~mcgrath/cor148/documents/irhist.htm. Notice it > says the Normans, not the English, invaded Ireland in 1169. That Norman was > a King of England. As for written records, they weren't kept in English > until the relatively recent past. Even into the 19th century, the Hanovers > were still speaking German. I'm not sure what Victoria spoke at home. By > the time she died, and WWI was on the horizon, the royal family changed its > name arbitrarily to Windsor, their favorite palace, to separate themselves > from their German cousins and I think they were all speaking English by > then.

They were busy attacking from around 700 through the 1000s. The first written record of a Rudd (spelled Rud) is, I believe, 10th century in northern Ireland. The 1400s were downright civilized in England. That was the last century of the Plantaget rule and the ascent of the first Tudor, Henry VII. The English had been sending periodic "conquering hoards" to Ireland since the 1100s under Kind Edward of "Braveheart" fame. The Vikings had all been well assimilated into the culture by then. The last of the foreign invaders to have a major impact in England were the Normans, under William the Bastard, or William the Conquerer. He got the throne after his famous slaughter in 1066. Saxon rule bit the dust at the that time. All this was going on in England w/o a whole lot of impact on Ireland until the Normans started settling in for good. It was inevitable, I suppose, their wandering eye would find its way to Ireland. I also believe it is accurate to say that that the Saxons were the English at that time. The Normans, the Plantagenet Kings, considered themselves French since they owned Normandy and Aquitaine and huge other chunks of what is now France. What was actually French in 1066 was a little island on which sat Paris and not much else. At any rate, the Vikings were pretty well assimilated in Ireland, Scotland, and England (and wherever else they went) by the 1100s. The Saxons were the good English being slaughtered by Normans. England wasn't English until the Tudors took the throne away from the Plantagenets in the 1400s, and I'm sure there are people who debate how English the Tudors were. Henry Tudor was part Welsh, which was still considered Celtic at that time. Many of the "new" religions, including the Puritans, began to crop up under the Tudors (except for under Mary). It was Elizabeth, my hero, with her stable country and full coffers that could support a Navy and expeditions to "see what's out there" that got the first of us over here. The Irish aren't that fond of her, I think. The English have insisted Ireland is their's for 900 years and it's getting irritating. My ancestors, allegedly sent to Ireland by Elizabeth, probably weren't the favorite folks on the block. It's all relative. And, our Rudd ancestors were English, Scots, or Irish by then no matter what they started out as during the invasions. You have a lovely fantasy and I've no comment about the debate about Vikings in North America in the Dark Ages. That tends to become a heated discusussion. But, I think it would be impossible to get all the Rudds tied together with a common Viking ancestor. Vikings came from more than one country, too. Denmark and Norway come to mind. This is a simplistic timeline of Irish history: http://www.usm.maine.edu/~mcgrath/cor148/documents/irhist.htm. Notice it says the Normans, not the English, invaded Ireland in 1169. That Norman was a King of England. As for written records, they weren't kept in English until the relatively recent past. Even into the 19th century, the Hanovers were still speaking German. I'm not sure what Victoria spoke at home. By the time she died, and WWI was on the horizon, the royal family changed its name arbitrarily to Windsor, their favorite palace, to separate themselves from their German cousins and I think they were all speaking English by then. .----- Original Message ----- From: <MEJ1@aol.com> To: <RUDD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: [RUDD] Re: RUDD-D Digest V01 #61 > As usual I still believe all us RUDDs are related when we go back to the > 1400s I know my relatives were with the Viking hoard in Ireland, Scotland and > England...... They came from the Denmark/Norway area. Could it be some of > our RUDD relations were the first to come to America way before the > 1200s????? could be.... > > Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns

As usual I still believe all us RUDDs are related when we go back to the 1400s I know my relatives were with the Viking hoard in Ireland, Scotland and England...... They came from the Denmark/Norway area. Could it be some of our RUDD relations were the first to come to America way before the 1200s????? could be.... Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns

The following obituary appeared in the Rutland Herald, Rutland, Vermont and I am posting it in answer to Helen Lathrop's message a couple days ago. EAST ARLINGTON--Anna Rudd Hawley, 70, died Aug. 7, 2001, at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston following a brief illness. She was born March 27, 1931, in Arlington, daughter of Edward Leland and Hazel (Bromley) Rudd. She received her education in Arlington schools and graduated from Arlington High School. After graduation, she attended business school for two years. She married Frederick J. Hawley, Sr. on April 6, 1953, at St. Columban's Church in Arlington. He died in 1992. Mrs. Hawley and her husband operated Hawley Company furniture store in East Arlington for more than 40 years. She was a communicant of St. Margaret Mary's Church in Arlington. She was a member of Arlington Lions Club and had held several offices over the years, most recently was the immediate past president and first vice president. She was chairperson for the Red Cross and a gray lady at Southwestern Vermont Medical Center in Bennington. She was a longtime president of Arlington Food Shelf. Mrs. Hawley was also a member of Manchester Eagles Lodge, Sodality of St. Margaret Mary's Church and Catholic Daughters of America, Court St. Margaret Mary 2406 and had held several offices at both local and state levels. She was a former member of Arlington Fire Department Auxiliary and a cafeteria volunteer at Fischer Elementary School in Arlington. Survivors include five sons, Rick Hawley, Edward Hawley, Patrick Hawley and Mark Hawley, all of Arlington, and Brian Hawley of Front Row, Va.; two daughters, Patricia Keough of South Burlington and Donna Hawley-Griswold of Arlington; a brother, Nelson Rudd of Acton, Calif.; a sister, Helen Bearden of Arlington; 14 grandchildren; an aunt; and several nieces, nephews and cousins. She was predeceased by a brother, James Rudd; and a granddaughter. A prayer service will be held Friday at 10:30 a.m. at Arlington Chapel of Hanson-Walbridge Funeral Home, followed by the funeral Mass at St. Margaret Mary's Church in Arlington with the Rev. George Dupuis officiating. Burial will follow in St. Columban's Cemetery in Arlington. Friends may call today from 3 to 5 p.m. and 7 to 9 p.m. at Arlington Chapel. Memorial contributions may be made to Arlington Lions Club Sight Fund, through Arlington Chapel of Hanson-Walbridge Funeral Home, P.O. Box 528, Arlington, 05250. The following groups are asked to meet today [Aug. 9] at the funeral home to pay their respects. Arlington Fire Department at 7 p.m., Arlington Lions Club at 7:30 p.m., Manchester Eagles Lodge at 7:45 p.m., and Court St. Margaret Mary members at 8 p.m. for a prayer service. For directions or to offer condolences, e-mail at www.nsm.org\covey [?????] Arrangements are under the direction of Arlington Chapel of Hanson-Walbridge Funeral Home. [I also have the write-up on the Rites, if anyone is interested. Joann Nichols]

Sorry, but I wouldn't trust it. The one who died about 1668 is the one Jack Dieterle told us about and was the emigrant as far as we know. Joann Nichols penhrwd@juno.com wrote: > I found the info in FamilySearch.org > His Father Jonathan Rudd born abt 1597 in England & died abt 1668 no > place listed. AFN.8HTR-NB on Disc #20 Pin 489260. > Hope it is authenic, sad there is no Mother listed. > Leora > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Would anyone who is so fortunate as to have information re: Rudds in England or Ireland...or from anywhere...from the mid-1500s backwards, please announce their fortunate acquisition to the list for those who might be new since the information was last posted? I've been looking for a needle in the haystack Rudd around Yorkshire sometime during the reign of Elizabeth Tudor (1558 - 1603) who might have been one of her "most loyal" soldiers and gentry with which she used to populate Ireland with English. I've got an Anthony Rudd in Co. Wexford in 1630 who has rumors floating around him about being posted over by his Queen. There have also been Rudds in Ireland since the 10th century. My line just sort of abruptly peters out there hence the theories they were Yorkshiremen. I BELIEVE I've read Rudd is still a reasonably common name in Yorkshire (read a '60s novel that had a Rudd in it and it took place in Yorkshire....since I'm a writer, there's a method to naming and placing characters....sometimes). It's a common name in Wexford even today. I don't care if Anthony 's ancestors were English or Irish, I'd like to find them. It's easy enough for me to know anything to do with the John, Jons, and Burlinghams (although I LOVE that name), don't have anthing to do with me. But, I'm all ears and eyes prior to 1717 since I'm only linked by guess from 1717 - 1630 in Ireland. Thanks for this interesting new thread on the list. It's great for those of us who know we are NOT Capt. John or Burlingham descendents while it could be good for you too! Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: <penhrwd@juno.com> To: <RUDD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [RUDD] Re: RUDD-D Digest V01 #60 > I found the info in FamilySearch.org > His Father Jonathan Rudd born abt 1597 in England & died abt 1668 no > place listed. AFN.8HTR-NB on Disc #20 Pin 489260. > Hope it is authenic, sad there is no Mother listed. > Leora > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno

Where on the net did you find it? "Our" Jonathan had a son named Jonathan, along with a son named Nathaniel. Joann Nichols penhrwd@juno.com wrote: > HI! > I noticed on the net that our Jonathan has had a Father named Jonathan > added but have not seen or heard any source of the findings. What is > your opinion? > Leora > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Can we please change the Subject line to fit the message body? List members will automatically delete the Digests, therefore, not reading quaries and answers. Kristie -------Original Message------- From: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 05:40:58 PM To: RUDD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RUDD] Re: RUDD-D Digest V01 #60 HI! I noticed on the net that our Jonathan has had a Father named Jonathan added but have not seen or heard any source of the findings. What is your opinion? Leora ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hello Rudd cousins, I received this e mail note from my sister, Dorothy Cordier Smith who is now the chair of the Descendants of Joseph Rudd JR. & Sarah Story family. I did not get the date of Anna Rudd Hawley's death, maybe JoAnn Nichols or Dot DuMond have seen it, in the Bennington or Arlington papers. I've enjoyed the list the last couple of weeks, with the discussion of Rudds and Reeds, and the first to arrive in America. Thanks, Helen Cordier Lathrop On Sunday last week I was elected vice-chair of the Rudd reunion. On Tuesday Anna R. Hawley passed away in Boston. She was born in Arlington, Vermont March 27, 1931 and was the daughter of Edward Leland Rudd and Hazel Bromley Rudd. She had 5 sons, Rick of Arlington Brian of Front Row, VA. Edward, Patrick, Mark all of Arlington. 2 daughters Patricia Keough of South Burlington and Donna Hawley-Griswold of Arlington. A brother Nelson Rudd of Acton, Ca. a sister Helen Bearden of Arlington. She was predeceased by a brother James Rudd and her grandaughter Kelsey Griswold (the one who had non-hodgekin's lymphoma). I guess you know, I'm now in charge of the Rudd reunion. Oh,Dear!!!! Donna White Howes is the historian, so we are going to communicate a lot. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

By the time that Captain John Rudd came into port in Virginia, Jonathan Rudd had been in Saybrook at least three years. He was born in 1622 in England and came to America (Saybrook) for fun and adventure. He arrived in 1640 and was married at Bride's Brook in January 1646. Jack Dieterle/JACKDIET@AOL.COM.

Yeah now I know it was about 15 years prior to my RUDD line coming here. Amazing all the information we keep. Thanks for the Winthrop fleet update. This is great. Mary

Well, this opens a can of worms for me. I'll have to dig in the Rudd box to look up my Reed stuff to see where they were in these time frames. I confess I've been deleting the ongoing conversation about Burlingham because I know my Rudd lineage, every person in it, and they're from Ireland. Seemed to be obviously no connection. However, although my father was a Rudd by virtue of being the son of a Rudd, he has two Reed lines on his maternal side (to be distinguished from MY maternal side which is almost exclusively Puritan and traveled here with Winthrop's Fleet). I know from memory that my great great great grandfather Reed was Sheriff of Columbia Co., PA, in 1830. I've got the massive "certificate" from his swearing in. He left PA with 7 other families in 1834, via covered wagon...literally a wagon train....to go to Three Rivers, MI, where he and the rest of his descendents were born and buried. That's the location of an acre family burial plot. I remember this only because I was always so fascinated with the "ancient" certificate when I was a kid aside from the fact all my relatives were in Three Rivers. Without digging out my files, I don't remember anything about his family, as in did he move to PA? Or, was he born there? I also have another Reed line and I don't remember a thing about them except they were also "east" in the early 19th century. I am almost certain I have a Reed ancestor who fought in the Revolutionary War. Before I go digging into my records with this stunning idea of Reeds being Rudds, would having them in PA in the early 19th century match up with anything you've been discussing? I'm sorry for deleting the Burlingham stuff and now asking if I should be looking. This is a turn of events I never thought of. Considering the most likely (or commonly disseminated) origin of the name Rudd is the Irish Celtic word for red and that red-haired Vikings were called "Red" (or Hey, Rudd!), there are probably bazillion lines of Rudds. Red haired Vikings settled in north and south Ireland and in Yorkshire (another place of origin for many Rudds). Trying to sort out the Rudds prior to the 1600s becomes very speculative because of sketchy records and so many records lost in church fires. I've got my Rudd line "for sure" to 1717, and probably to 1630 (with some good guesses for holes). It is "guessed" my Rudds were from Yorkshire and were given land in Ireland by Elizabeth Tudor in the 1500s. I'm happy with what I've got and have totally given up getting beyond my Rudds as they are because every church in Ireland has been checked out and we can't get them to Yorkshire with certainty. My line didn't leave Ireland until 1820, so I know I'm not mixed up with Captain Jon and Burlingham unless there's a way to get them all back to Yorkshire. Has anyone done that? Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: <LRudd71847@aol.com> To: <RUDD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [RUDD] Re: RUDD-D Digest V01 #59 > I'd like to add to the request from Gloria about the Rudd lines, no matter > where they generated from, if they were in the NC, SC area in the 1700s or in > those states as well as TN in the 1800s, it would be a great help to us > researching Burlingham Rudd, if you could post the dates, census years, > counties and states. And if you have names, even just the head of household > would help us. There seems to be a mingling of Rudds in those states > especially after the Revolution. And if there are Rudds on this list that are > in these states as well as GA and FL around the 1830s but can't track back, > we'd like to hear from you. > > And just a little tip for those starting out.. the Rud name which was how the > census taker and deed clerk mostly spelled it, at least in the South, has be > transposed to Reed by many WPA transcriber who read the "u" as "ee" because > of the loops at the top of the "u." For example, and some news for all you > Elias David Rudd descendants, for many years researchers have looked for > Elias David Rudd and his wife Fannie Breland Tanner back in SC. Well, I have > finally found him in the 1820 Beaufort Co. SC census living near the Breland > family and in a place around Boggy Gut on Woolf Bays near the Savannah River. > This is not far from Two Sister's Ferry when he mustered out of the War of > 1812. And guess what, he was listed as Elias Reed. But I have done much > research on this find, everything from related lines to land survey and > census records and this is no doubt our Elias David Rudd with his first > children. So I caution all of you Rudds who can't find your lines to look at > the spelling variation and don't rely on census indexes ... don't even rely > completely on the census documents ... look for other sources. > > If you have a Southern Rudd line and you can't connect, let one of us on the > Burlingham line know, we might not have the link for you, but we will keep > you in mind while we are looking. > > Linda Rudd >

I'd like to add to the request from Gloria about the Rudd lines, no matter where they generated from, if they were in the NC, SC area in the 1700s or in those states as well as TN in the 1800s, it would be a great help to us researching Burlingham Rudd, if you could post the dates, census years, counties and states. And if you have names, even just the head of household would help us. There seems to be a mingling of Rudds in those states especially after the Revolution. And if there are Rudds on this list that are in these states as well as GA and FL around the 1830s but can't track back, we'd like to hear from you. And just a little tip for those starting out.. the Rud name which was how the census taker and deed clerk mostly spelled it, at least in the South, has be transposed to Reed by many WPA transcriber who read the "u" as "ee" because of the loops at the top of the "u." For example, and some news for all you Elias David Rudd descendants, for many years researchers have looked for Elias David Rudd and his wife Fannie Breland Tanner back in SC. Well, I have finally found him in the 1820 Beaufort Co. SC census living near the Breland family and in a place around Boggy Gut on Woolf Bays near the Savannah River. This is not far from Two Sister's Ferry when he mustered out of the War of 1812. And guess what, he was listed as Elias Reed. But I have done much research on this find, everything from related lines to land survey and census records and this is no doubt our Elias David Rudd with his first children. So I caution all of you Rudds who can't find your lines to look at the spelling variation and don't rely on census indexes ... don't even rely completely on the census documents ... look for other sources. If you have a Southern Rudd line and you can't connect, let one of us on the Burlingham line know, we might not have the link for you, but we will keep you in mind while we are looking. Linda Rudd

Hi Jack, I was wondering if you had a source for Jonathan's age on arrival at Old Saybrook? I don't believe I've seen a reference to his birthdate or age and would love to add that information to my database. All the best, Celia >In a message dated 8/15/01 7:02:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >RUDD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > >Dear Shirley, > >According to the research that I have done, and others have done. The first >Rudd who came to America was Jonathan Rudd who came to Old Saybrook, >Connecticut in 1640 at the age of 17 years. > >Jack Dieterle (JACKDIET@ AOL.COM)