Celia, I hope you don't get tired of hearing THANK YOU! Will do as you suggest. Bev

Hi Kevin, Glad to know you received it! Have fun going through all that stuff <g>! I, for one, am more than willing to try and find out more information on Jonathan's ancestors in England, but I'd also like for us to tear down some of the list members brick walls - Bev's Thomas, Cheryl's Asa, Joann's Silas, etc. And, how about connecting the 'Southern' Rudds with the 'Northern'? With the great bunch of folks we have on this mail list, we may just accomplish all of these goals! A thought: Those list members who are hitting their heads against a brick wall - why not re-post all the information you can about that Rudd ancestor who is causing you so much trouble? It never hurts to remind the rest of us, so we can be on the lookout for information. All the best, Celia At 9:07 AM -0500 8/6/98, Kevin K. Stephenson wrote: > Celia-- > I've checked in 'late' regarding your package which I received a couple of >days ago. WWWWWOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! > I would never have imagined that I would ever have had access to all of >this! >I was stuck in Joliet, Illinois on the Rudd line until you and Joann broke it >open for me!! As unhelpful as the folks are at the county records office in >Joliet, I'd have never gotten anywhere, but you guys saved the day! > I will be reading and enjoying this for quite a while. Let me know how >much >money you need for additional costs. (Are they still letting you use the >photocopier, after all this????) <<<big grin>>> > One thing I've noticed already, which is rather interesting. Several of the >English references to the Rudds centered around an area called Westmorland. > This is the same area where my Stephenson ancestry originated! It's no >longer >called that, it's now called Cumbria, and it is located in the northern >part of >the country, up towards the Scottish border. My Stephenson line lived up >around >Lake Windermere, and my great-great-grandfather was a sailor, probably as a >result of sailing/ fishing on that lake. > If we can solidly determine which line Jonathan came from in England, >I can >probably help dig further back, because I already have contacts over >there. Of >course, Randy (aka Eaglecod) can also pitch in. Anybody wanna go back >further???? > >Kevin K. Stephenson >1600 Kentucky St. #2 >Lawrence, KS 66044 >(785)865-1586 >Data/Fax:(785)865-1586 >e-mail: [email protected] >website: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~kevin2/homepage.html

Hi Bev, You might want to order his papers from the National Archives and Record Administration. They have a website which includes instructions on how to order military records. There may be more information there. Good luck! Celia At 5:52 AM -0400 8/6/98, [email protected] wrote: >Celia, > Again, thanks. I would appreciate any help you can give me on Thomas >Rudd, esp the one from Vermont. Trying to find out if he is the one who had a >son Thomas Edward, b. 1849 and if Thomas sr. had a wife named Alice. This >would prove to me I'm on the right path. [email protected] Bev

Celia-- I've checked in 'late' regarding your package which I received a couple of days ago. WWWWWOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! I would never have imagined that I would ever have had access to all of this! I was stuck in Joliet, Illinois on the Rudd line until you and Joann broke it open for me!! As unhelpful as the folks are at the county records office in Joliet, I'd have never gotten anywhere, but you guys saved the day! I will be reading and enjoying this for quite a while. Let me know how much money you need for additional costs. (Are they still letting you use the photocopier, after all this????) <<<big grin>>> One thing I've noticed already, which is rather interesting. Several of the English references to the Rudds centered around an area called Westmorland. This is the same area where my Stephenson ancestry originated! It's no longer called that, it's now called Cumbria, and it is located in the northern part of the country, up towards the Scottish border. My Stephenson line lived up around Lake Windermere, and my great-great-grandfather was a sailor, probably as a result of sailing/ fishing on that lake. If we can solidly determine which line Jonathan came from in England, I can probably help dig further back, because I already have contacts over there. Of course, Randy (aka Eaglecod) can also pitch in. Anybody wanna go back further???? Kevin K. Stephenson 1600 Kentucky St. #2 Lawrence, KS 66044 (785)865-1586 Data/Fax:(785)865-1586 e-mail: [email protected] website: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~kevin2/homepage.html

Hi, Celia, What a great contribution you have made with all these names! Thanks a lot! I think the Thomas Rudd from Fair Haven must have had a pension, applied for by his wife, if he had one. Hopefully, that would contain much information. Best, Joann

Celia, Again, thanks. I would appreciate any help you can give me on Thomas Rudd, esp the one from Vermont. Trying to find out if he is the one who had a son Thomas Edward, b. 1849 and if Thomas sr. had a wife named Alice. This would prove to me I'm on the right path. [email protected] Bev

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Celia, Thank you so much! I have been looking for data on Thomas Rudd forever! Right now it seems like the Vt. Thomas is the one but can't rule out N.Y. Although the son moved to N.J. at some point, I don't think the parents did. Thanks again, waiting anxiously for the rest of your information. Bev

Hi again, Cousins! I went ahead and looked up the three Thomas Rudds just to let ya'll know the type of information that is available. Thomas Rudd Residence: Fairhaven VT Enlisted on 12/28/63 as a Private On 12/30/63 he mustered into "B" Co. VT 9th Infantry He died of disease on 1/11/65 He was listed as: POW 2/2/64 Bogue Sound, NC (Paroled) Paroled 12/16/64 (place not stated) Thomas Rudd Residence not listed; 21 years old Enlisted on 1/22/64 at Annsville, NY as a Private On 1/19/64 he mustered in "L" Co. NY 24th Cavalry He deserted on 4/15/64 Thomas Rudd Residence not listed; 33 years old Enlisted on 6/18/63 at Buffalo, NY as a Private On 6/18/63 he mustered into NY 33rd Light Artillery He deserted on 7/27/64 at Wilson's Landing, VA (Last name: Rudd or Budd) In all cases the sources are the Adjutant-General Reports Celia

Ok, Cousins, here's the list of Rudds in the CSA (again, location listings after the name are their residence and state after their rank is the state served): Alexander B. Rudd, Warren Co, NC, Farmer - Private, NC Anderson P. Rudd - Private, NC Archibald Rudd - Private, VA Augustus S. Rudd, Nansemond Co, VA - Private, VA Barnett Rudd, Farmer - Private, NC Benjamin F. Rudd - Private, VA D. M. Rudd, Bartow Co, GA - Private, GA Edward P. Rudd - Corporal, KY Elias L. Rudd - Private, FL Elijah Rudd - Private, KY Elijah Rudd - Private, KY Elisha W. Rudd - Private, NC Frederick J. Rudd, Chestefield, VA - Private, VA George Rudd - Private, KY George B. Rudd - Private, KY George W. Rudd - Private, KY Guilford Rudd, Franklin Co, NC - Private, NC Henry Rudd - Private, FL Hortensieus Rudd, Bartow Co, GA - Private, GA J. L. Rudd, Caswell Co, NC - Private, NC J. W. Rudd - Private, KY James C. Rudd - Private, NC Jefferson Rudd - Private, FL Jeffrey Rudd - Private, FL Jerry Rudd - Private, FL John Rudd - Private, FL Joseph T. Rudd - Private, KY Lorenzo D. Rudd - Private, NC Luther Y. Rudd, Caswell Co, NC - Private, NC N. S. Rudd - Private, VA Samuel Rudd, Webster Co, GA - Private, GA Samuel Rudd - Private, FL Stephen W. Rudd, Powhatan Co, VA - Private, VA Thomas H. Rudd, Caswell Co, NC - Private, NC Thomas H. Rudd, Warren Co, NC, Farmer - Private, NC W. J. Rudd - Private, KY William Rudd, Chatham Co, NC - Colored Cook, NC William A. Rudd - Private, FL William W. Rudd, Warren Co, NC - Private, NC Again, if anyone wants more information on any of these, let me know and I'll be glad to look them up. Might as well take advantage of this database while I have the subscription. For now, Celia

Hi R-Gang Cousins: Here's the list of Union Army Rudds (when there is a location after the name that's their residence; the state after the rank is the state they served): Albert Rudd, Montville, CT - Private, CT Albert A. Rudd - Private, NY Alden Rudd, Montville, CT - Private, CT Alfred Rudd, Montville, CT - Musician, CT Alvan V. Rudd - Private, OH Andrew Rudd - Private, NY Anson M. Rudd, Harlam, IL - Private, IL Barak L. Rudd - Private, MI Barker F. Rudd, Newburg, MI - Sergeant, MI Benjamin M. Rudd - Private, OH Benjamin M. Rudd - Private, OH Bradly Rudd - Private, NY Darwin A. Rudd - Private, NY David Rudd - Private, MD Dwight H. Rudd, Bennington, VT - Private, VT Edgar S. Rudd - Private, NY Gaines Rudd, Coldwater, MI - Private, MI George Rudd - Private, NJ George Rudd - Private, OH Gordon Rudd, Sanilac, MI - Corporal, MI Harley A. Rudd - Private, NY Henry Rudd, Rockford, IL - Private, IL Henry Rudd - Private, OH Hiram D. Rudd, Kaneville, IL - Corporal, IL Ira W. Rudd, Bennington, VT - Private, VT James B. Rudd, Becket, MA, Farmer - Private, MA John Rudd - Private, MD John Rudd - Private, UC(?) John Rudd - Private, OH John Rudd - Private, CA John Rudd, Cabot, VT - Private, VT John B. Rudd, Otis, MA - Private, CT John W. Rudd - Private, NY Margin Rudd - Private, NY Merritt Rudd, Bennington, VT - Private, VT Michael Rudd - Private, PA Milton G. Rudd, Salem, IL - Private, IL Oliver H. Rudd, Montville, CT - Private, CT Oscar F. Rudd, Blue Island, IL - 1st Lieutenant, IL Samuel Rudd - Private, UC(?) Thaddeus Rudd, Camp Butler, IL - Private, IL Thomas Rudd - Private, NY Thomas Rudd, Fairhaven, VT - Private, VT Thomas Rudd - Private, NY William Rudd, Sanilac, MI - Private, MI William Rudd - Private, PA William Rudd, Cabot, VT - Private, VT William B. Rudd - Private, NY William B. Rudd - Colored Cook, NY William B. Rudd - Musician, OH William C. Rudd - Private, PA William C. Rudd, Wheaton, IL - Private, IL William H. Rudd, Padua, IL - Private, IL William H. Rudd, Benjaminville, IL - Private, IL William J. Rudd - Private, NY If anyone wants more information on any of these, let me know. I'll be glad to look them up. Celia

I don't know why I didn't think of it before - I have a subscription to the Civil War Database online! Did a search for Rudd and it came back with 56 names in the Union Army and 40 in the Confederate States Army. There are three Thomas Rudds listed: Thomas Rudd - Private, NY Thomas Rudd, Fairhaven, VT - Private, VT Thomas Rudd - Private, NY If you'd like more information on them let me know - there is usually a bit more info to be gained at this website. I'll send a list of all the Rudds in a separate email. Celia At 9:25 PM -0400 8/5/98, Joann H. Nichols wrote: >Hi, (what is your name anyway?) > >It's a Rudd question, so I don't charge for that! How about trying to get a >pension record for the Thomas Rudd who was in the Civil War? You need a >special >form, NATF 80. Go into http://www.nara.gov/ and you can order the form you >need. When you get it, follow the instructions, filling in as much as you >can. >His widow might have applied for a pension. > >New York didn't start keeping vital records until after 1880, so I doubt >you'll >have much luck over there. > >I looked in my copy of the Revised Roster and find that the Thomas Rudd in the >Civil War was from Fair Haven. It seems doubtful to me that the one there >in the >1810 and 1820 census would have served in the Civil War, so it might be a >son. To >be listed in the census you would be the head of a household, so would >probably be >about 20. If he was 20 in 1810, he would be 70 in 1860. > >I guess your best bet would be to try to get a pension record for the one who >served in the Civil War. > >Good luck, >Joann Nichols > >[email protected] wrote: > >> Joann, >> I got your e-mail from Alice Eichholz who said you were THE expert >>on the >> Rudd family. It wasn't until later I realized you had contacted me re: a >> posting I had. >> You said there were no Rudds in Vt. according to the 1850 census. The Vt. >> Historical Society responded to my earlier request and they found a Thomas >> Rudd who appeared in the 1820 census in Fair Haven and in the indexes >>back to >> 1810. There was also a mention of him in the Revised Roster of Vermont >> Volunteers, 1861-1866, enlistment date 12-28-1863. He was taken prisoner on >> @-2-1864, par. 12-16-1864 and died 1-11-1865 of disease. I only know that my >> Thomas was married to an Alice-----?;He had a son Thomas Edward Rudd in >>1849 , >> who was born either in Vt. or N.Y. Alice said since Fair Haven was fairly >> small, they might have goneover the state line to Whitehall to have a baby, >> see a doctor, etc. Have already requested information from N.Y. state vital >> records. Also checking with Conn. and R.I. What else can I do to prove, or >> disprove that the Vt. Thomas Rudd is or is not father to my Thomas Edward >> Rudd? >> If you require a fee for this information, please let me know. >>[email protected]

Hi R-Gang Cousins, I've been working on updating my database and have received some new information on the Peabody line. This new information shows Lydia Peabody (who married Thomas Howlett) as the daughter of Francis Peabody and his first wife, Lydia. Now, the information I had previously showed her the daughter of Francis Peabody and his second wife, Mary Foster. I've been doing some checking on the Internet and find lots of conflicting dates for daughter Lydia's birth: 30 Aug 1640 1644 30 Aug 1649 1654 and various dates for Francis' marriage to Mary Foster: 18 May 1642 18 May 1654 and various dates for Francis' marriage to Lydia: 1638 1648 Since daughter Lydia is the ancestor of Increase Rudd, I'd like to get this straightened out. Can anyone help? Thanks a bunch! Celia

Hi, (what is your name anyway?) It's a Rudd question, so I don't charge for that! How about trying to get a pension record for the Thomas Rudd who was in the Civil War? You need a special form, NATF 80. Go into http://www.nara.gov/ and you can order the form you need. When you get it, follow the instructions, filling in as much as you can. His widow might have applied for a pension. New York didn't start keeping vital records until after 1880, so I doubt you'll have much luck over there. I looked in my copy of the Revised Roster and find that the Thomas Rudd in the Civil War was from Fair Haven. It seems doubtful to me that the one there in the 1810 and 1820 census would have served in the Civil War, so it might be a son. To be listed in the census you would be the head of a household, so would probably be about 20. If he was 20 in 1810, he would be 70 in 1860. I guess your best bet would be to try to get a pension record for the one who served in the Civil War. Good luck, Joann Nichols [email protected] wrote: > Joann, > I got your e-mail from Alice Eichholz who said you were THE expert on the > Rudd family. It wasn't until later I realized you had contacted me re: a > posting I had. > You said there were no Rudds in Vt. according to the 1850 census. The Vt. > Historical Society responded to my earlier request and they found a Thomas > Rudd who appeared in the 1820 census in Fair Haven and in the indexes back to > 1810. There was also a mention of him in the Revised Roster of Vermont > Volunteers, 1861-1866, enlistment date 12-28-1863. He was taken prisoner on > @-2-1864, par. 12-16-1864 and died 1-11-1865 of disease. I only know that my > Thomas was married to an Alice-----?;He had a son Thomas Edward Rudd in 1849 , > who was born either in Vt. or N.Y. Alice said since Fair Haven was fairly > small, they might have goneover the state line to Whitehall to have a baby, > see a doctor, etc. Have already requested information from N.Y. state vital > records. Also checking with Conn. and R.I. What else can I do to prove, or > disprove that the Vt. Thomas Rudd is or is not father to my Thomas Edward > Rudd? > If you require a fee for this information, please let me know. [email protected]

Hey - I don't want anything to do with sainthood <g>, but I'm sure glad there was some helpful information! Celia At 1:09 PM -0400 8/4/98, [email protected] wrote: >I have decided Celia must be a SAINT -- I was so thankful to receive your >package - it had lots of information on the NC/VA RUDD's and information on >where in England they possibly came from --- Thank you SO MUCH Celia. > >Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns

I have decided Celia must be a SAINT -- I was so thankful to receive your package - it had lots of information on the NC/VA RUDD's and information on where in England they possibly came from --- Thank you SO MUCH Celia. Mary Elizabeth RUDD Johns

I have looked in the Brattleboro records--they are not there! I think it would be worth checking the CT census listing I sent you, and perhaps the NY one, even though it is NYC. Sorry, Joann [email protected] wrote: > Thanks for your help. The name is Rudd, not a variation. There also was a > brother, James in Brattleboro, Vt. with 2 old maid sisters,names unknown. > There is no easy way to do this. Thanks again, Bev

Hi, Celia, You are right--it is only for three weeks and I've finished one week, one day! It's not bad, but it sure puts a cramp in my research! Joann Celia G. Snyder wrote: > Hi Joann, > > What are you doing working? I thought that was only for a brief period of > time? Come on - full story! <g> > > Celia > > At 9:55 PM -0400 8/3/98, Joann H. Nichols wrote: > >Hi, Celia, > > > >I came home from work today to a large gold box on my porch! You are > >one terrific person. I plan to take them with me to work tomorrow in > >case I get a chance to look at them. I did glance at some mentions of > >Silas Rudd; of course, there is the wrong surname for Phebe. It's hard > >to believe that people just accepted that Davis could be her last name. > >Guess we can't trust anybody! > > > >Thanks again; I think I'll send you some more $$ to help cover postage > >at least. > > > >Best, Joann

Thanks, I'm doing that now. It's troubling to think that the family info is wrong and its too late to ask anyone. A

Hi Joann, What are you doing working? I thought that was only for a brief period of time? Come on - full story! <g> Celia At 9:55 PM -0400 8/3/98, Joann H. Nichols wrote: >Hi, Celia, > >I came home from work today to a large gold box on my porch! You are >one terrific person. I plan to take them with me to work tomorrow in >case I get a chance to look at them. I did glance at some mentions of >Silas Rudd; of course, there is the wrong surname for Phebe. It's hard >to believe that people just accepted that Davis could be her last name. >Guess we can't trust anybody! > >Thanks again; I think I'll send you some more $$ to help cover postage >at least. > >Best, Joann