Thank you so much, after a quck search, I have found the following : " Nr. 80: A few notes ago, there was a mention of how some of the Second Germanna Colony members were related. Earlier, a tentative list of the First Colony members was given. There were several relationships in the group which were not mentioned at the time. A few of these relationships, not an exhaustive list, will be given. Melchoir Brombach (Brumback) was the son of Johannes Brombach of Müsen and Anna Margarete Kemper who was an aunt of John Kemper, another 1714 immigrant. So Melchoir and John Kemper were cousins. Melchoir probably married Maria Elisabeth Fischbach, see below. Phillip Fischbach (Fishback) was married to Elizabeth (Elsbeth) Heimbach. Their daughter, Anna Elisabeth, married Hans Jacob Richter (Rector) and all of these people moved to Virginia in 1714. Another daughter of Phillip and Elizabeth was Maria Elizabeth who probably married Melchoir Brumback above. The sons John and Harmon Fishback were bachelors when they came. The daughter Maria Elisabeth (duplicated name) probably married John Spilman in Virginia. Hans Jacob Holzklau (Jacob Holtzclaw and other spellings) married Anna Margaretha Otterbach, daughter of the immigrants Hermann Otterbach and Elisabeth Heimbach. Johannes Kemper was a bachelor but related to Melchoir Brombach, above. Jost Kuntze (Joseph Cuntze, Coons) was the son of Johannes Kuntze and Elisabeth Schuster, see mention of Schusters below. This note is being written on the unproven assumption that the Johann Hermann Otterbach family is the "missing" First Colony family. He married Elisabeth Heimbach, daughter of Phillip Heimbach and Maria Catharina Fischbach. Hermann's daughter, Anna Margaret, married Hans Jacob Holzklau. In Virginia, several of the other daughters married men of the First Colony. Later immigrant Henry Huffman was married to Elizabeth Catherina Schuster so that Henry Huffman and his wife were both related to people in Virginia. [A personal comment from the author: Though I have no ancestors in the First Colony, I am descended from Henry Huffman and Elizabeth Catherina Schuster. As a result I am related to several of the First Colony families, including the Huffmans, Spilmans, Crims (a later family) and the Coons, all a result of relationships from Germany.] While some of the families in the First Colony seem to be unrelated to the other families, the general rule was that many members of the group were related, in some cases quite closely. This is not unusual fact; it is repeated over and over in the immigration patterns to America. It holds true within the First and Second Germanna Colonies. It also holds true that many of the later comers were related to the ones already here. Because the Otterbach family appears to have had a relative in the group and because they disappear from the church records in Germany after 1713, it is logical that they are the missing family. No guarantees are made about the information above. Perhaps others can correct or add to the data. " And the only other lead I have is an unsourced research note entered by my Uncle, (before his death) : *Johannes Kuntze and his 4 sons Jost, Tillman, Christian, and Johannes, Jr. belonged to the Steelsmiths and Toolmakers Guild. After 1711 Jost's name does not appear in the workbook of the Guild, for he left Germany to emigrate to Va. in the U S A. My line does not descend from Jost, but from Johannes, Jr. married to Anna Gertrude Steiger, the family tree says Johannes Jr, born 1671 died 11 Feb 1714 Niederndorf, Germany. His son Joseph Kuntze/Coons b. 24 Apr 1712 Niederndorf (near Seigen) Germany died 1794 in Culpepper, VA. ( another note from Uncle states his real name is Johann Jost Kuntze ) He married Elizabeth Unknown and had 9 children with her, one of which is my ancestor Jacob Coons, born 1740 in VA, died 1804 in Montgomery, KY. He married Elizabeth Hanback , dtr of Johan Jacob Hanback (Heimbach) and Maria Gertrude Jung (Mary Gertrude Young), both from Germany to Virginia.. So now what do you suggest ? I do not quite understand the above passage copied from the link you supplied, and it's meanings... I guess I do not know what I am loking for? Please contact me at tonniec@alltel.net if you have further guidance or suggestions to help. And let me thank you SOOO much for your help, it is GREATLY appreciated. I have no family living that can help me find the "sources" from the notes left behind, by previous family researchers, and I feel like I need to document those sources as best I can, for the future generations. How do you suggest I cite this source into my tree? Tonnie Coker Cates ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Using the Palatine Project > For the newbie searching for the surname Coons [and variant spellings] in > North Carolina, I suggest you try to identify your German ancestors on > this > website. > > _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html_ > (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html) > > This has a good deal of information about 1714 German immigrants to > Virginia > [from Nassau-Siegen] who were supposed to work in the iron mines in > Virginia > controlled by Gov. Spotswood. > > They may not be the same group of Coons families, as other families with > similar surnames to those in Germanna came over later, it turns out, > mainly to > Pennsylvania, but also to other parts of Virginia. > > There were at least two Germanna colonies, and some say a third, and a > good > deal has been written about these *imported* Germans, who had first been > stranded in England. > > On the Palatine Project URL, you might look for the words Germanna, > pertaining to all these colonies. Each has a different history, but in > the main, > there are good records. > > If you find your folks were indeed in one of the Germanna colonies, then > subscribe to that rootsweb list. Write me for more instructions if you > are up a > tree and don't know how to proceed. (Begin with what you know and then > move > backwards in time--so that you don't hook up with the wrong relatives. 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