I am new to the listserve. Does anyone have any information on a Thomas Going from Randolph Co. NC, ca. 1729-1797? I don't know who his wife was. His children include William, Burgess, Burton (my direct ancestor), Vina, Hali and Elizabeth. Thanks, Eddie Goins </HTML>

I have the following will excerpt for my gf and need help finding the probate, inventory data. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> Rowan Co, NC Wills 3/252 has 22 Feb 1801 Rowan Co, NC will for Balzer DUTTROW lists wf Eliz, names ch Jacob, David, Catharina, Barbara & Eliz

Pat - yes, did get to the lists after a few "this page cannot be displayed" - seeing deeds along the Catawba got my andrenalin going a bit as has been a several years dry spell on those Whaleys - although did not find Whaleys, enjoyed going through the deed lists and comparing to maps -thank you for the nudge there. Margaret J. --Original Message Follows---- From: "Pat Frunzi" <patfrunzi@comcast.net> Reply-To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Question about Anson Co. deeds Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:40:53 -0400 The lists are in 4 parts and are quite lengthy. Go to http://www.fmoran.com/wilkes/anson1.html Pat Hagan Frunzi Fallsington, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret johnson" <mnjohnson88@hotmail.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Question about Anson Co. deeds > Pat, > Which side of the Catawba River and what names are mentioned if you be so > kind. My Whaley line had land adjacent to the Catawba in Shiloh Township > now or close to the line. > Also, does anyone have access to the "Scotch Irish Settlers in America > 1500s > - 1800s, vol 1, page 612 is to have some mention of Whaley. > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Margaret Johnson > Minnesota > > > > > > From: "Pat Frunzi" <patfrunzi@comcast.net> > Reply-To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com > To: <rowanroots-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Question about Anson Co. deeds > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:31:58 -0400 > In looking through these many pages I found a number of people from the > Irish Settlement in Rowan Co. However, most of the land is described as on > one side of the Catawba River. Is that how the land was described before > Rowan was organized? > > Anson County Warrants, Surveys and Related Documents (1735-1754) > > Or > http://www.fmoran.com/wilkes/anson1.html > > > Pat Hagan Frunzi > Fallsington, PA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. > http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe.  Claim your treat today! http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2

Is anyone out there working on the family of Joseph England found in early Rowan court records? Audrey ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Dear subscriber, Thank you so much for providing the URL for Anson Co., NC land records. I may find some *lost* ancestors. E.W.Wallace with colonial Rowan Co. roots ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

The lists are in 4 parts and are quite lengthy. Go to http://www.fmoran.com/wilkes/anson1.html Pat Hagan Frunzi Fallsington, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret johnson" <mnjohnson88@hotmail.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Question about Anson Co. deeds > Pat, > Which side of the Catawba River and what names are mentioned if you be so > kind. My Whaley line had land adjacent to the Catawba in Shiloh Township > now or close to the line. > Also, does anyone have access to the "Scotch Irish Settlers in America > 1500s > - 1800s, vol 1, page 612 is to have some mention of Whaley. > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Margaret Johnson > Minnesota > > > > > > From: "Pat Frunzi" <patfrunzi@comcast.net> > Reply-To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com > To: <rowanroots-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Question about Anson Co. deeds > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:31:58 -0400 > In looking through these many pages I found a number of people from the > Irish Settlement in Rowan Co. However, most of the land is described as on > one side of the Catawba River. Is that how the land was described before > Rowan was organized? > > Anson County Warrants, Surveys and Related Documents (1735-1754) > > Or > http://www.fmoran.com/wilkes/anson1.html > > > Pat Hagan Frunzi > Fallsington, PA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. > http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Katherine and others, Thanks for your replies. The website I posted on Anson Co., deeds, http://www.fmoran.com/wilkes/anson1.html , has, for instance, George Cathy #43 - 29 Mar 1753, 100 acres S side of the Catawba River. Also 800 acres, 3 Apr 1753 S side of the Catawba River in the forks of Fishing Creek. And 150 acres, 29 Mar 1753 on S Side of Catawba. In Carolina Cradle George Cathy is said to have lived in the Irish Settlement in Rowan Co. There are numerous others in the Anson Co. deeds who are people from the Irish Settlement in Rowan Co. Not on this list was John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) who is buried at Thyatira. Robert W. Ramsy in Carolina Cradle confused this man with a John Huggins who was also in the area. ***************** 25 Mar 1752 Granville to John Higgins of Anson for 10 sh sterl, 535 A in Anson adj Charles Burnet Note: When proved in court the name was spelled Haggins. 11 Nov 1756 Granville to John Hagins for 10 sh sterl, 380 A on S fork Liles Crk above his other survey, in the fork of the Catawba R. 15 Jul 1767 John Hagins & wf Jean to Samuel Dirmire 380 A on S fk Lilses Crk in fk of Catawba R. Note: On 4 Nov 1774 Samuel Durmire & wf Christena sold this land to George Pope. It was described in that record as being above John Hagans. *************** This John Hagans/Hagins owned several other pieces of property, but in Carolina Cradle on pages 108-109 the land marked #80 John Huggins (Huggan) was actually where John Hagans/Hagins lived. Both land and court records and his probate records confirm this. Charles Burnnett is #89, next to John. So, now I'm still a bit confused. Was the land on/near the Catawba River mentioned in the website for Anson Co. deeds all just spec land and the people lived in the Irish Settlement? Or was the land in the Anson Co. deeds described only in relation to the Catawba River and not the Yadkin? Pat Hagan Frunzi Fallsington, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: <BenbowKD@aol.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Question about Anson Co. deeds > Since most travel inland, and early settlement occurred along rivers, the > lands along the rivers were the first claims. And in an area that was > wilderness, basically, rivers were permanent points of reference. The > Catawba River > runs roughly north-south in the area west of Charlotte, until it reaches > the > area SW of Statesville, and then runs roughly westward. Anson was a very > large county in the early colonial period. > > The list members might find this series of maps of county formation > helpful. > _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm_ > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm) > A detailed discussion is available in Corbitt's "The Formation of the > North > Carolina Counties, 1663-1943." > > As for names of creeks and streams, they can change over the years since > those deeds were made. I keep Powell's "The North Carolina Gazetteer" on > the > shelf to the right of my desk. It is very helpful when trying to figure > out > where the land mentioned in deeds might be located. > > Anyone studying family in early colonial NC would do well to have a copy > of > Ramsey's "Carolina Cradle" at hand. It goes into much detail on these > early > settlements. I find something new of interest every time I pick it up, > and > I've read it from front to back. > > Katherine > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Betty. Although I am also related to the CLEMMER & HOFFMAN fam that were there, I am currently working on the TOTTERO/DETRO & YOUNG families up to 1830ish. There won't be many YOUNGs, so all of their sightings would be helpful. I appreciate your help. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bdhery@aol.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] German families [changed subject: NC Land Records] > Hi Hal: > > I have the Hoffman Book by Miles Hoffman, There is no index, but would > try > to find something for you. > > Betty Heryford > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 > 3:18 PM > >

Hi Hal: I have the Hoffman Book by Miles Hoffman, There is no index, but would try to find something for you. Betty Heryford ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Since most travel inland, and early settlement occurred along rivers, the lands along the rivers were the first claims. And in an area that was wilderness, basically, rivers were permanent points of reference. The Catawba River runs roughly north-south in the area west of Charlotte, until it reaches the area SW of Statesville, and then runs roughly westward. Anson was a very large county in the early colonial period. The list members might find this series of maps of county formation helpful. _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/countyfm.htm) A detailed discussion is available in Corbitt's "The Formation of the North Carolina Counties, 1663-1943." As for names of creeks and streams, they can change over the years since those deeds were made. I keep Powell's "The North Carolina Gazetteer" on the shelf to the right of my desk. It is very helpful when trying to figure out where the land mentioned in deeds might be located. Anyone studying family in early colonial NC would do well to have a copy of Ramsey's "Carolina Cradle" at hand. It goes into much detail on these early settlements. I find something new of interest every time I pick it up, and I've read it from front to back. Katherine ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Pat, Which side of the Catawba River and what names are mentioned if you be so kind. My Whaley line had land adjacent to the Catawba in Shiloh Township now or close to the line. Also, does anyone have access to the "Scotch Irish Settlers in America 1500s - 1800s, vol 1, page 612 is to have some mention of Whaley. Any help would be appreciated! Margaret Johnson Minnesota From: "Pat Frunzi" <patfrunzi@comcast.net> Reply-To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com To: <rowanroots-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Question about Anson Co. deeds Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:31:58 -0400 In looking through these many pages I found a number of people from the Irish Settlement in Rowan Co. However, most of the land is described as on one side of the Catawba River. Is that how the land was described before Rowan was organized? Anson County Warrants, Surveys and Related Documents (1735-1754) Or http://www.fmoran.com/wilkes/anson1.html Pat Hagan Frunzi Fallsington, PA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1

In looking through these many pages I found a number of people from the Irish Settlement in Rowan Co. However, most of the land is described as on one side of the Catawba River. Is that how the land was described before Rowan was organized? Anson County Warrants, Surveys and Related Documents (1735-1754) Or http://www.fmoran.com/wilkes/anson1.html Pat Hagan Frunzi Fallsington, PA

Katherine is right -- use abstracts to begin (and mostly to hasten) your research, but, if at all possible check the information against the originals. Most of the time, one can borrow films of these records through a nearby Family History Center the filmed records held by the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. I have found some errors in not only Jo White Linn's published abstracts but also in some of the marriage bonds of various North Carolina counties compiled by Brent H. Holcomb. As one of my correspondents reminds me, however, some of the documents these dedicated persons had to work with are/were in horrible condition. I do rely heavily on abstracts but when time allows [this is currently in VERY short supply] I do like to check the filmed originals. Some of the films were photographed long ago, and they too are not very helpful. (And, alas, particularly in Virginia, there are *burned* counties--with large gaps in the records. May everyone have good luck in pursuit of those elusive ancestors. E.W.Wallace ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I should point out that the Rowan County Register is not the official journal of the Genealogical Society of Rowan County. It was a separate journal done privately by Jo White Linn. Also, when you visit the Archives website, do a search for "Rowan" as well, and that will pull up the books available. I have caught some errors in Jo's work, so I'd advise checking photocopies of the original documents -- which we all should do anyway. Katherine ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Katherine, What a useful list and thoughtful contribution you have made. Thank you very much. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: <BenbowKD@aol.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] NC Land Records > Margaret Hofmann's website is here: > > _http://www.margaretmhofmann.com/_ (http://www.margaretmhofmann.com/) > > but it is very much out-of-date. It would be best for anyone to contact > her > by e-mail or phone before filling out an order form and putting it in the > mail. > You will find her e-mail address and 800 number on the order form that is > linked to the main page. > > A. B. "Bruce" Pruitt is in the process of publishing a whole series of > deed > book abstracts, and land entries for Rowan from Feb. 1778--Feb 1795, in > addition to other materials. His website can be found here: > _http://home.earthlink.net/~abpruitt/_ > (http://home.earthlink.net/~abpruitt/) > > Jo White Linn, who published a series of volumes on Rowan County, and a > journal called Rowan Register, died a little while back. Her unsold > books and > journals went to the NC Archives, where you can purchase them: > _http://www.margaretmhofmann.com/_ (http://www.margaretmhofmann.com/) > See "Rowan County Register" in the left-hand navigation menu. > > James Kluttz published a series of abstracts of deed books on Rowan, > picking > up where Jo White Linn left off. Those, along with volumes on cemeteries > and other things, can be bought from the local genealogical society: > _http://www.lib.co.rowan.nc.us/historyroom/html/publications.htm_ > (http://www.lib.co.rowan.nc.us/historyroom/html/publications.htm) > > Of course, you can try to find any of these through interlibrary loan. > > Katherine Benbow > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret Hofmann's website is here: _http://www.margaretmhofmann.com/_ (http://www.margaretmhofmann.com/) but it is very much out-of-date. It would be best for anyone to contact her by e-mail or phone before filling out an order form and putting it in the mail. You will find her e-mail address and 800 number on the order form that is linked to the main page. A. B. "Bruce" Pruitt is in the process of publishing a whole series of deed book abstracts, and land entries for Rowan from Feb. 1778--Feb 1795, in addition to other materials. His website can be found here: _http://home.earthlink.net/~abpruitt/_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~abpruitt/) Jo White Linn, who published a series of volumes on Rowan County, and a journal called Rowan Register, died a little while back. Her unsold books and journals went to the NC Archives, where you can purchase them: _http://www.margaretmhofmann.com/_ (http://www.margaretmhofmann.com/) See "Rowan County Register" in the left-hand navigation menu. James Kluttz published a series of abstracts of deed books on Rowan, picking up where Jo White Linn left off. Those, along with volumes on cemeteries and other things, can be bought from the local genealogical society: _http://www.lib.co.rowan.nc.us/historyroom/html/publications.htm_ (http://www.lib.co.rowan.nc.us/historyroom/html/publications.htm) Of course, you can try to find any of these through interlibrary loan. Katherine Benbow ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Thanks for the tip. I will look for the Hofmann bk. My DETTRO/DETTERER... fam was in Mocksville area of Rowan Co, NC by 1780, probably of Frederick Co, MD and prev of PA. The guy I am trying to connect from Rowan Co to prev residence in MD is a Balzar/Bathalzer DETERO ca 1755-1801 Mocksville and wf Elizabeth. Any advice appreciated. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com>; <myravg@wamail.net> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] German families [changed subject: NC Land Records] > No doubt you have received this suggestion for tracing your early settlers > of Rowan Co. > > I am a great believe, as is Bill Dollarhide, in the use of land records > for > tracing early American ancestors, particularly in the South. Prior to the > Industrial Revolution in this country, he contends that about 90 % of the > Anglo > [includes Germans, of course] population [male, of course but some widows] > owned land. > > For North Carolina early land patents/grants, we have the published > abstracts of Margaret M. Hofmann and for the surveys for most counties, we > have the > published abstracts of A. B. Pruitt. I know Mrs. Hofmann [note spelling] > has > a website which your search engine can no doubt locate. > > I hope a library near you has a few of these volumes. Try a University > library online catalog. A Librarian friend tells me that while most > genealogical > libraries do not lend their books, most Universities and colleges do lend > them. I have not checked the loan lists of the National Genealogical > Society > which books are available to members.. (St. Louis, MO seems a long way > from > the West Coast.) > > Happy hunting! > > E.W.Wallace > with a number of ancestors with roots in colonial North Carolina > (who either died there or went thataway!) > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 > 8:36 AM > >

No doubt you have received this suggestion for tracing your early settlers of Rowan Co. I am a great believe, as is Bill Dollarhide, in the use of land records for tracing early American ancestors, particularly in the South. Prior to the Industrial Revolution in this country, he contends that about 90 % of the Anglo [includes Germans, of course] population [male, of course but some widows] owned land. For North Carolina early land patents/grants, we have the published abstracts of Margaret M. Hofmann and for the surveys for most counties, we have the published abstracts of A. B. Pruitt. I know Mrs. Hofmann [note spelling] has a website which your search engine can no doubt locate. I hope a library near you has a few of these volumes. Try a University library online catalog. A Librarian friend tells me that while most genealogical libraries do not lend their books, most Universities and colleges do lend them. I have not checked the loan lists of the National Genealogical Society which books are available to members.. (St. Louis, MO seems a long way from the West Coast.) Happy hunting! E.W.Wallace with a number of ancestors with roots in colonial North Carolina (who either died there or went thataway!) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I heard an interview with author Joanna C. Scott on NC TV (UNCTV--Book Watch) recently. The author of a novel explained how she researched her book, explaning how she uncovered many facts (as background) about race relations and social conditions during the Civil War in Piedmont NC. I found the book at my local library. I can't say that this is a great novel but I found it interesting in the historical detail about social conditions and race relations, especially since a large portion takes place in Salisbury, where much of my family lived during the Civil War. It was not a pleasant time there with many shortages and the townspeople torn between pro-war and abolitionist factions in the late stages of the Civil War. It also touches on Chapel Hill, Gold Hill and the gold mine, and a little on Greensboro. In case you do not like fiction, you might want to read these pages about life in Salisbury itself. pp. 167-167; 221-227; 250-261; 270-279; 295-303 General readers might want to read the whole book, which I found interesting. Whether you want to trust the historical research, it is up to you--as is true with any work of history, whether fiction or non-fiction. The Road from Chapel Hill by Joanna Cathrine Scott Berkley Books, London & New York, 2006 ISBN 0-425-21252-1 Betty Pace

Nancy Harmon, b. ca 1797, Rowan Co. NC married John Elijah Buttram from Iredell Co in 1817 and moved to Rhea County, TN where she is buried in the Buttram Cemetery. John Elijah was the son of Wm. Buttram III and Sarah Patterson of Rowan Co. Nancy and John had a daughter, Nancy Buttram who married Thomas C. Travis in Rhea County and died there in Dec 1867. Looking for any information on these Rowan County Harmons or Pattersons. In Rhea County, TN I also have other lines (French, Davis) who migrated there from Giles Co. and the New River area of SW Virginia who had links with Harman/Harmon families who also came from North Carolina about 1758. Capt Henry Harman, originally from the Isle of Man and then Forsythe Co. NC where he married Nancy Wilburn. There is also another family, Adam Harman from Pattonsburg, VA in the Virginia Valley. I am trying to find a possible link between these Harman families. Dorothy Davis Webb Researching: DAVIS, HALE, TRAVIS, HARMON, BUTTRAM, PATTERSON, FRENCH, CLAY, BELCHER, BURDETTE, DUNBAR, FLINT, PAYNE, LIPTON, all from TN, VA, W.Va., NC ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour