My Dyer line was in Hardy County, VA, it later became WV. There were several generations of John Dyers ... if this is your line let me know and we can share info. The names you listed are ones that I don't know. Which Luckey line are you researching??? Karon "Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer". ~ William S. Burroughs Dyer - Willson - Luckey - Scoville -----Original Message----- From: rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Flanary Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:40 PM To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Which Dyer line are you researching? I am descended from the Joel Wayne Dyer and Mary "Polly" Callihan Dyer family. Linda Church Flanary BLEFLA@CHARTERTN.NET ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karon" <kcks39@yahoo.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson I am also researching a Luckey Line in NC. They lived in Lancaster County PA before moving to NC. Later part of them moved to IL. I am having trouble sorting out which Luckey/Luckie is related to my line or maybe all were. Any and all information is welcome. Karon "Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer". ~ William S. Burroughs Dyer - Willson - Luckey - Scoville -----Original Message----- From: rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debra Black Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:13 PM To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Hi Pat Hagan Frunzi: I was wondering if you had a Samuel Luckey in your line: right at this minute I can not find any of my information on him except what is in "The Empire Builders and a Harris Genealogy" book 1; written by Clarence A. Harris in 1966..I don't have a complete book but a distant cousin sent me a copy of the Genealogy.. from the Genealogy : "Marriage Bond for John Harris and Ruth Cowen" "We John Harris and Samual Luckey of Rowan County are held and firmly bound unto Richard D. Straight Esq. Governor in the sum of five hundred pounds currency of North Carolina but to be void on condition that there appears hereafter no lawful cause to obstruct a marriage to be hadand celebrated between the said John Harris and Ruth Cowan by virtue of a license bearing equal date with these presents otherwise to remain in full force and virtue according to law, witness our hands and seals this 30th day of July 1795". Ruth Cowan is Samuel Luckey's daughter and she is a widow. Thank you for your time Debra Black nee Harris <html><div><P>Visit Knight,s Dad Gifts <BR>Gifts for the entire family.<BR>Wholesale Opportunites Exist Also!<BR><A href="http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com">http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com</A> </P></div></html> > From: patfrunzi@comcast.net > To: rowanroots-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:03:41 -0500 > Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson > > We now have a 36/37 DNA match for Thomas Hagans (who married Sarah Wilcoxson) and John Hagins/Higgins who died in Wilkes Co., NC. > > So now it's possible that John was the man on the 1778 tax list for the part of old Rowan Co. that became Davie Co. That list includes Thomas Hagan, John Hagins, Jno Hagins, and James Reed. > > I need help with the Reed and Luckey families. Here is what is in my notes: > ******************* > Robert Luckey owned land adjacent to a John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) in the Irish Settlement. Luckey's widow married James Reed 5 Nov 1774, and the bondsman was John Hagins. Robert Luckey and Mary Luckey Reed may have had a daughter Mary. A Mary Luckey, married a John Hagins 5 Nov 1779, bondsman John Hagin. > ******************* > John Haggens appears on an 1782 list of suspected Tories in Rowan/Davie Co. He next shows up in Wilkes Co., NC on the 1787 tax list as John Hagins. Over the next few years his name begins to appears as Higgins and that's the name his descendants use. > > Both John Hagins/Higgins from Wilkes Co. and Thomas Hagans were the right age to have been sons of John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) buried at Thyatira and his 1st unknown wife. He had daughters still living when he died who were born in the same time frame--Eleanor who married Thomas Dickey and Alsy who married William Cathey. > > Unfortunately, both Thomas Hagans and John Hagins/Higgins were dead by the time the elder John died at age 94 so were not in his will. > > I would really appreciate any clues you might have to close in on the Hagins/Luckey/Reed connection. > > Pat Hagan Frunzi > Fallsington, PA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. 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I am also researching a Luckey Line in NC. They lived in Lancaster County PA before moving to NC. Later part of them moved to IL. I am having trouble sorting out which Luckey/Luckie is related to my line or maybe all were. Any and all information is welcome. Karon "Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer". ~ William S. Burroughs Dyer - Willson - Luckey - Scoville -----Original Message----- From: rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debra Black Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:13 PM To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Hi Pat Hagan Frunzi: I was wondering if you had a Samuel Luckey in your line: right at this minute I can not find any of my information on him except what is in "The Empire Builders and a Harris Genealogy" book 1; written by Clarence A. Harris in 1966..I don't have a complete book but a distant cousin sent me a copy of the Genealogy.. from the Genealogy : "Marriage Bond for John Harris and Ruth Cowen" "We John Harris and Samual Luckey of Rowan County are held and firmly bound unto Richard D. Straight Esq. Governor in the sum of five hundred pounds currency of North Carolina but to be void on condition that there appears hereafter no lawful cause to obstruct a marriage to be hadand celebrated between the said John Harris and Ruth Cowan by virtue of a license bearing equal date with these presents otherwise to remain in full force and virtue according to law, witness our hands and seals this 30th day of July 1795". Ruth Cowan is Samuel Luckey's daughter and she is a widow. Thank you for your time Debra Black nee Harris <html><div><P>Visit Knight,s Dad Gifts <BR>Gifts for the entire family.<BR>Wholesale Opportunites Exist Also!<BR><A href="http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com">http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com</A> </P></div></html> > From: patfrunzi@comcast.net > To: rowanroots-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:03:41 -0500 > Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson > > We now have a 36/37 DNA match for Thomas Hagans (who married Sarah Wilcoxson) and John Hagins/Higgins who died in Wilkes Co., NC. > > So now it's possible that John was the man on the 1778 tax list for the part of old Rowan Co. that became Davie Co. That list includes Thomas Hagan, John Hagins, Jno Hagins, and James Reed. > > I need help with the Reed and Luckey families. Here is what is in my notes: > ******************* > Robert Luckey owned land adjacent to a John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) in the Irish Settlement. Luckey's widow married James Reed 5 Nov 1774, and the bondsman was John Hagins. Robert Luckey and Mary Luckey Reed may have had a daughter Mary. A Mary Luckey, married a John Hagins 5 Nov 1779, bondsman John Hagin. > ******************* > John Haggens appears on an 1782 list of suspected Tories in Rowan/Davie Co. He next shows up in Wilkes Co., NC on the 1787 tax list as John Hagins. Over the next few years his name begins to appears as Higgins and that's the name his descendants use. > > Both John Hagins/Higgins from Wilkes Co. and Thomas Hagans were the right age to have been sons of John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) buried at Thyatira and his 1st unknown wife. He had daughters still living when he died who were born in the same time frame--Eleanor who married Thomas Dickey and Alsy who married William Cathey. > > Unfortunately, both Thomas Hagans and John Hagins/Higgins were dead by the time the elder John died at age 94 so were not in his will. > > I would really appreciate any clues you might have to close in on the Hagins/Luckey/Reed connection. > > Pat Hagan Frunzi > Fallsington, PA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
We now have a 36/37 DNA match for Thomas Hagans (who married Sarah Wilcoxson) and John Hagins/Higgins who died in Wilkes Co., NC. So now it's possible that John was the man on the 1778 tax list for the part of old Rowan Co. that became Davie Co. That list includes Thomas Hagan, John Hagins, Jno Hagins, and James Reed. I need help with the Reed and Luckey families. Here is what is in my notes: ******************* Robert Luckey owned land adjacent to a John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) in the Irish Settlement. Luckey's widow married James Reed 5 Nov 1774, and the bondsman was John Hagins. Robert Luckey and Mary Luckey Reed may have had a daughter Mary. A Mary Luckey, married a John Hagins 5 Nov 1779, bondsman John Hagin. ******************* John Haggens appears on an 1782 list of suspected Tories in Rowan/Davie Co. He next shows up in Wilkes Co., NC on the 1787 tax list as John Hagins. Over the next few years his name begins to appears as Higgins and that's the name his descendants use. Both John Hagins/Higgins from Wilkes Co. and Thomas Hagans were the right age to have been sons of John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) buried at Thyatira and his 1st unknown wife. He had daughters still living when he died who were born in the same time frame--Eleanor who married Thomas Dickey and Alsy who married William Cathey. Unfortunately, both Thomas Hagans and John Hagins/Higgins were dead by the time the elder John died at age 94 so were not in his will. I would really appreciate any clues you might have to close in on the Hagins/Luckey/Reed connection. Pat Hagan Frunzi Fallsington, PA
In a message dated 1/27/2008 12:33:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pussicat@bellsouth.net writes: I've been researching my German roots for many years and didn't know this, thank you so much for this article! Maureen Maureen, My Dad's family arrived in PA in 1752. The immigrant died and the children scattered. My Dad's line went to NC and in 1802 to Missouri. My Dad was born in that state, and even after all those years (he was born in 1911), he was called by his middle name. How's that for carrying on the Germanic naming tradition! Cathy Marin Co., CA **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
Jeanie and Maureen, You are welcome.? I'm glad that this article was helpful to you. In reference to the last part of this article about German naming practices, "Frequently the secular name given to the child was also the same as the secular given name of one of the baptismal sponsors for the child. Said baptismal sponsors frequently were close relatives but also could be close and trusted friends and neighbors." What I have found when searching my German ancestors in the church baptism records that I found in Lancaster County, PA?was that they were named after the person who was their baptismal sponsor of the same sex in both my ADAMS and SMITH families. Linda Monticelli -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Tinnesz <pussicat@bellsouth.net> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Thank you German names I've been researching my German roots for many years and didn't know this, thank you so much for this article! Maureen > > > rlmlfm@aol.com wrote: > > For those of you who are researching your German ancestors in Rowan County > or elsewhere, the following information on German naming customs or > patterns may be of some help.? I have copied and pasted the following > information from the following?link:? http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm > > 18th Century PA German Naming Customs > > > At baptism, if two given names were given to the child, the first given > name was a spiritual, saint's name. The second given name was the secular > or call name, i.e., "rufnamen", which is the name the person was known by, > both within the family and to the rest of the world. This custom was > originally adopted in Germanic and other regions in Europe from Roman > Catholic tradition and continued by the Protestants in their baptismal > naming customs. The immigrants from these areas brought the custom with > them to Pennsylvania. > > The spiritual name, usually to honor a favorite saint, was used repeatedly > and was usually given to all the children of that family of the same > gender. Thus the boys would be Johan Adam ...., Johan George ....., etc., > or Philip Peter ...., Philip Jacob ...., etc. Girls would be named Anna > Barbara ...., Anna Margaret ...., etc., or Maria Elizabeth ...., Maria > Catherine ...., etc. But after baptism, these people would not be known as > John, Philip, Anna, or Maria, respectively. They would instead be known by > what we would think of now as their middle name, which was their secular > name. Thus these people would be known respectively as Adam, George, > Peter, Jacob, Barbara, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Catherine in legal and > secular records. > > For males, the saint's name Johan or John for Saint John was particularly > heavily used by many German families, but also Saint George was used by > some families for male children. The child's secular name was really John, > if and only if, at baptism he was named only John, usually spelled as > Johannes, with no second given name. The name John spelled as Johannes is > rarely seen spelled as Johannes as a spiritual name, i.e., you rarely will > see the name at baptism recorded as Johannes Adam ....., etc. It is > generally always found spelled as Johan or Johann when used as a spiritual > name. Thus, you find the spiritual name of John recorded as Johan Adam > ..... or Johann Adam ....., not Johannes Adam ..... . > > Many researchers, new to German names, who find a baptism of an individual > with a name such as Johan Adam ....., thus mistakenly spend a lot of time > looking for a John ....., in legal and census records, when he was known > after baptism, to the secular world, as Adam ..... . > > The use of Saint John was the most common example of this custom, but > Saint George was often used too. And thus one would find children in a > family named George Heinrich ......, George Jacob ......, George Frederick > ....., and of course simply George ..... by itself. In these examples the > secular or call names would respectively be Heinrich, Jacob, Frederick, > and George. > > The term "Senior" and "Junior" following a name did not necessarily imply > a father and son relationship, as it does now. It could have been an uncle > and nephew who had the same name and lived near each other. It could be a > grandfather and a grandchild living together, where the father has died. > It could even be two unrelated individuals with the same name but of > different ages who lived near each other. So to help friends and business > associates keep track of who-was-who in their discussions and records, > they added on the "Sr." or "Jr." which merely meant the older and the > younger, respectively. > > Frequently the secular name given to the child was also the same as the > secular given name of one of the baptismal sponsors for the child. Said > baptismal sponsors frequently were close relatives but also could be close > and trusted friends and neighbors. > > > > Linda Monticelli ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
I've been researching my German roots for many years and didn't know this, thank you so much for this article! Maureen > > > rlmlfm@aol.com wrote: > > For those of you who are researching your German ancestors in Rowan County > or elsewhere, the following information on German naming customs or > patterns may be of some help.? I have copied and pasted the following > information from the following?link:? http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm > > 18th Century PA German Naming Customs > > > At baptism, if two given names were given to the child, the first given > name was a spiritual, saint's name. The second given name was the secular > or call name, i.e., "rufnamen", which is the name the person was known by, > both within the family and to the rest of the world. This custom was > originally adopted in Germanic and other regions in Europe from Roman > Catholic tradition and continued by the Protestants in their baptismal > naming customs. The immigrants from these areas brought the custom with > them to Pennsylvania. > > The spiritual name, usually to honor a favorite saint, was used repeatedly > and was usually given to all the children of that family of the same > gender. Thus the boys would be Johan Adam ...., Johan George ....., etc., > or Philip Peter ...., Philip Jacob ...., etc. Girls would be named Anna > Barbara ...., Anna Margaret ...., etc., or Maria Elizabeth ...., Maria > Catherine ...., etc. But after baptism, these people would not be known as > John, Philip, Anna, or Maria, respectively. They would instead be known by > what we would think of now as their middle name, which was their secular > name. Thus these people would be known respectively as Adam, George, > Peter, Jacob, Barbara, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Catherine in legal and > secular records. > > For males, the saint's name Johan or John for Saint John was particularly > heavily used by many German families, but also Saint George was used by > some families for male children. The child's secular name was really John, > if and only if, at baptism he was named only John, usually spelled as > Johannes, with no second given name. The name John spelled as Johannes is > rarely seen spelled as Johannes as a spiritual name, i.e., you rarely will > see the name at baptism recorded as Johannes Adam ....., etc. It is > generally always found spelled as Johan or Johann when used as a spiritual > name. Thus, you find the spiritual name of John recorded as Johan Adam > ..... or Johann Adam ....., not Johannes Adam ..... . > > Many researchers, new to German names, who find a baptism of an individual > with a name such as Johan Adam ....., thus mistakenly spend a lot of time > looking for a John ....., in legal and census records, when he was known > after baptism, to the secular world, as Adam ..... . > > The use of Saint John was the most common example of this custom, but > Saint George was often used too. And thus one would find children in a > family named George Heinrich ......, George Jacob ......, George Frederick > ....., and of course simply George ..... by itself. In these examples the > secular or call names would respectively be Heinrich, Jacob, Frederick, > and George. > > The term "Senior" and "Junior" following a name did not necessarily imply > a father and son relationship, as it does now. It could have been an uncle > and nephew who had the same name and lived near each other. It could be a > grandfather and a grandchild living together, where the father has died. > It could even be two unrelated individuals with the same name but of > different ages who lived near each other. So to help friends and business > associates keep track of who-was-who in their discussions and records, > they added on the "Sr." or "Jr." which merely meant the older and the > younger, respectively. > > Frequently the secular name given to the child was also the same as the > secular given name of one of the baptismal sponsors for the child. Said > baptismal sponsors frequently were close relatives but also could be close > and trusted friends and neighbors. > > > > Linda Monticelli > > > > www.catchattering.blogspot.com >
Thanks Jeanie. A great and accurate explanation! Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanie stout" <msjbostian@yahoo.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Thank you German names > Hi Linda > Thank you for this article. > Its very usefull > Jeanie > > rlmlfm@aol.com wrote: > > For those of you who are researching your German ancestors in Rowan County > or elsewhere, the following information on German naming customs or > patterns may be of some help.? I have copied and pasted the following > information from the following?link:? http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm > > 18th Century PA German Naming Customs > > > At baptism, if two given names were given to the child, the first given > name was a spiritual, saint's name. The second given name was the secular > or call name, i.e., "rufnamen", which is the name the person was known by, > both within the family and to the rest of the world. This custom was > originally adopted in Germanic and other regions in Europe from Roman > Catholic tradition and continued by the Protestants in their baptismal > naming customs. The immigrants from these areas brought the custom with > them to Pennsylvania. > > The spiritual name, usually to honor a favorite saint, was used repeatedly > and was usually given to all the children of that family of the same > gender. Thus the boys would be Johan Adam ...., Johan George ....., etc., > or Philip Peter ...., Philip Jacob ...., etc. Girls would be named Anna > Barbara ...., Anna Margaret ...., etc., or Maria Elizabeth ...., Maria > Catherine ...., etc. But after baptism, these people would not be known as > John, Philip, Anna, or Maria, respectively. They would instead be known by > what we would think of now as their middle name, which was their secular > name. Thus these people would be known respectively as Adam, George, > Peter, Jacob, Barbara, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Catherine in legal and > secular records. > > For males, the saint's name Johan or John for Saint John was particularly > heavily used by many German families, but also Saint George was used by > some families for male children. The child's secular name was really John, > if and only if, at baptism he was named only John, usually spelled as > Johannes, with no second given name. The name John spelled as Johannes is > rarely seen spelled as Johannes as a spiritual name, i.e., you rarely will > see the name at baptism recorded as Johannes Adam ....., etc. It is > generally always found spelled as Johan or Johann when used as a spiritual > name. Thus, you find the spiritual name of John recorded as Johan Adam > ..... or Johann Adam ....., not Johannes Adam ..... . > > Many researchers, new to German names, who find a baptism of an individual > with a name such as Johan Adam ....., thus mistakenly spend a lot of time > looking for a John ....., in legal and census records, when he was known > after baptism, to the secular world, as Adam ..... . > > The use of Saint John was the most common example of this custom, but > Saint George was often used too. And thus one would find children in a > family named George Heinrich ......, George Jacob ......, George Frederick > ....., and of course simply George ..... by itself. In these examples the > secular or call names would respectively be Heinrich, Jacob, Frederick, > and George. > > The term "Senior" and "Junior" following a name did not necessarily imply > a father and son relationship, as it does now. It could have been an uncle > and nephew who had the same name and lived near each other. It could be a > grandfather and a grandchild living together, where the father has died. > It could even be two unrelated individuals with the same name but of > different ages who lived near each other. So to help friends and business > associates keep track of who-was-who in their discussions and records, > they added on the "Sr." or "Jr." which merely meant the older and the > younger, respectively. > > Frequently the secular name given to the child was also the same as the > secular given name of one of the baptismal sponsors for the child. Said > baptismal sponsors frequently were close relatives but also could be close > and trusted friends and neighbors. > > > > Linda Monticelli > > > > www.catchattering.blogspot.com > This is a web page of my family history with many old pictures. > If you have a family picture I can add please send it to me. > If you have any more history of this family please share it with me. > I am always adding and editing. I have more pictures to add. > If you know some of the faces in these pictures that are unknown please > write to me. > Jeanie nee Bostian Stout > 190 Hemlock lane > Moravian Falls > NC 28654 > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Thank you so much Ms. Monticelli for your time and trouble.. Debra <html><div><P>Visit Knight,s Dad Gifts <BR>Gifts for the entire family.<BR>Wholesale Opportunites Exist Also!<BR><A href="http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com">http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com</A></P></div></html> > To: ncrowan@rootsweb.com; rowanroots@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:15:24 -0500 > From: rlmlfm@aol.com > Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] "A Colonial History of Rowan... > > In trying to learn more about the Rev. Mr. HARRIS who was a minister from around 1773 or so?of Thyatira Church in Rowan County as referenced in the following"? > > > "Thyatira was without a regular pastor until 1772. Then Rev. Mr. Harris became its minister and remained about two years. The Rev. Samuel E. McCorkle became the pastor of Thyatira in 1777, and James Hall, the soldier-preacher, became the minister of Fourth Creek Church one year later." > > Here is some?information that I found at Ancestry.com in "Sketches of North Carolina...", Chapter XXX, "Poplar Tent and its Pastors",?which mentions a Rev. Mr. John HARRIS: > > Page 439:? "In the year 1769 the minutes of the Synod of New York and Philadelphia have this record: "The Rev. Messrs. John HARRIS, John CLARK, Jeremiah HALSEY, James LATTA, Jonathan ELMORE, Thomas LEWIS, and Josiah LEWIS a licensed candidate are appointed to supply vacancies in Virginia, North Carolina, and those parts of South Carolina under our care, to set off as soon, and spend as much time among them, as they conveniently can on this important mission." > > Then I did a google.com search on Rev. John HARRIS and found the following: > > > THE REVEREND JOHN HARRIS > > Colonial Minister > > Reverend John Harris was a Presbyterian minister who served as pastor in the Long Cane area of South Carolina during the turbulent era of the Revolutionary War. He and his family were drawn into that conflict along with the people he served. > > John Harris was born September 29, 1725. There are conflicting reports as to the place of his birth; some reports say that he was born in Maryland, but this is possibly because his wife was from Maryland and he lived in Maryland before moving to South Carolina. He earned an AB degree at Nassau Hall (now Princeton University) in 1753. He served as minister to several churches in Delaware, Virginia and Maryland. While in Maryland, he met and married Mary Dashiell Handy, the daughter of Co. Isaac Handy and Ann Dashiell of Somerset County, Maryland. They eventually had several children: > > Handy Harris B. 1760 John Harris II B. 1762 Anna Harris B. 1765 Thomas Harris B. 1768 Elizabeth (Betsy) B. 1769 Nathaniel Harris the youngest birthdate unknown > > Sometime around 1770, the Synod of New York and Philadelphia directed Rev. John Harris to establish or serve congregations in South Carolina, and so the family made the long and difficult trip to the Carolinas, stopping briefly in Virginia and North Carolina to supply churches there with a minister. > > The family arrived in Long Cane, Abbeville District, South Carolina, in November 1772. Rev. John Harris served and/or established the following churches during the years between 1772 and 1779: > > Upper Long Cane Lower Long Cane (Now Hopewell) Saluda Church (Greenville) Boonesborough (Ft. Boone) Bulltown (Now Rocky River) Little Mountain Rocky Creek (near Greenwood). There are reports of Rev. Harris preaching under trees before churches were built. > > Linda Monticelli > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
In trying to learn more about the Rev. Mr. HARRIS who was a minister from around 1773 or so?of Thyatira Church in Rowan County as referenced in the following"? "Thyatira was without a regular pastor until 1772. Then Rev. Mr. Harris became its minister and remained about two years. The Rev. Samuel E. McCorkle became the pastor of Thyatira in 1777, and James Hall, the soldier-preacher, became the minister of Fourth Creek Church one year later." Here is some?information that I found at Ancestry.com in "Sketches of North Carolina...", Chapter XXX, "Poplar Tent and its Pastors",?which mentions a Rev. Mr. John HARRIS: Page 439:? "In the year 1769 the minutes of the Synod of New York and Philadelphia have this record: "The Rev. Messrs. John HARRIS, John CLARK, Jeremiah HALSEY, James LATTA, Jonathan ELMORE, Thomas LEWIS, and Josiah LEWIS a licensed candidate are appointed to supply vacancies in Virginia, North Carolina, and those parts of South Carolina under our care, to set off as soon, and spend as much time among them, as they conveniently can on this important mission." Then I did a google.com search on Rev. John HARRIS and found the following: THE REVEREND JOHN HARRIS Colonial Minister Reverend John Harris was a Presbyterian minister who served as pastor in the Long Cane area of South Carolina during the turbulent era of the Revolutionary War. He and his family were drawn into that conflict along with the people he served. John Harris was born September 29, 1725. There are conflicting reports as to the place of his birth; some reports say that he was born in Maryland, but this is possibly because his wife was from Maryland and he lived in Maryland before moving to South Carolina. He earned an AB degree at Nassau Hall (now Princeton University) in 1753. He served as minister to several churches in Delaware, Virginia and Maryland. While in Maryland, he met and married Mary Dashiell Handy, the daughter of Co. Isaac Handy and Ann Dashiell of Somerset County, Maryland. They eventually had several children: Handy Harris B. 1760 John Harris II B. 1762 Anna Harris B. 1765 Thomas Harris B. 1768 Elizabeth (Betsy) B. 1769 Nathaniel Harris the youngest birthdate unknown Sometime around 1770, the Synod of New York and Philadelphia directed Rev. John Harris to establish or serve congregations in South Carolina, and so the family made the long and difficult trip to the Carolinas, stopping briefly in Virginia and North Carolina to supply churches there with a minister. The family arrived in Long Cane, Abbeville District, South Carolina, in November 1772. Rev. John Harris served and/or established the following churches during the years between 1772 and 1779: Upper Long Cane Lower Long Cane (Now Hopewell) Saluda Church (Greenville) Boonesborough (Ft. Boone) Bulltown (Now Rocky River) Little Mountain Rocky Creek (near Greenwood). There are reports of Rev. Harris preaching under trees before churches were built. Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Hi Linda Thank you for this article. Its very usefull Jeanie rlmlfm@aol.com wrote: For those of you who are researching your German ancestors in Rowan County or elsewhere, the following information on German naming customs or patterns may be of some help.? I have copied and pasted the following information from the following?link:? http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm 18th Century PA German Naming Customs At baptism, if two given names were given to the child, the first given name was a spiritual, saint's name. The second given name was the secular or call name, i.e., "rufnamen", which is the name the person was known by, both within the family and to the rest of the world. This custom was originally adopted in Germanic and other regions in Europe from Roman Catholic tradition and continued by the Protestants in their baptismal naming customs. The immigrants from these areas brought the custom with them to Pennsylvania. The spiritual name, usually to honor a favorite saint, was used repeatedly and was usually given to all the children of that family of the same gender. Thus the boys would be Johan Adam ...., Johan George ....., etc., or Philip Peter ...., Philip Jacob ...., etc. Girls would be named Anna Barbara ...., Anna Margaret ...., etc., or Maria Elizabeth ...., Maria Catherine ...., etc. But after baptism, these people would not be known as John, Philip, Anna, or Maria, respectively. They would instead be known by what we would think of now as their middle name, which was their secular name. Thus these people would be known respectively as Adam, George, Peter, Jacob, Barbara, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Catherine in legal and secular records. For males, the saint's name Johan or John for Saint John was particularly heavily used by many German families, but also Saint George was used by some families for male children. The child's secular name was really John, if and only if, at baptism he was named only John, usually spelled as Johannes, with no second given name. The name John spelled as Johannes is rarely seen spelled as Johannes as a spiritual name, i.e., you rarely will see the name at baptism recorded as Johannes Adam ....., etc. It is generally always found spelled as Johan or Johann when used as a spiritual name. Thus, you find the spiritual name of John recorded as Johan Adam ..... or Johann Adam ....., not Johannes Adam ..... . Many researchers, new to German names, who find a baptism of an individual with a name such as Johan Adam ....., thus mistakenly spend a lot of time looking for a John ....., in legal and census records, when he was known after baptism, to the secular world, as Adam ..... . The use of Saint John was the most common example of this custom, but Saint George was often used too. And thus one would find children in a family named George Heinrich ......, George Jacob ......, George Frederick ....., and of course simply George ..... by itself. In these examples the secular or call names would respectively be Heinrich, Jacob, Frederick, and George. The term "Senior" and "Junior" following a name did not necessarily imply a father and son relationship, as it does now. It could have been an uncle and nephew who had the same name and lived near each other. It could be a grandfather and a grandchild living together, where the father has died. It could even be two unrelated individuals with the same name but of different ages who lived near each other. So to help friends and business associates keep track of who-was-who in their discussions and records, they added on the "Sr." or "Jr." which merely meant the older and the younger, respectively. Frequently the secular name given to the child was also the same as the secular given name of one of the baptismal sponsors for the child. Said baptismal sponsors frequently were close relatives but also could be close and trusted friends and neighbors. Linda Monticelli www.catchattering.blogspot.com This is a web page of my family history with many old pictures. If you have a family picture I can add please send it to me. If you have any more history of this family please share it with me. I am always adding and editing. I have more pictures to add. If you know some of the faces in these pictures that are unknown please write to me. Jeanie nee Bostian Stout 190 Hemlock lane Moravian Falls NC 28654 --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
For those of you who are researching your German ancestors in Rowan County or elsewhere, the following information on German naming customs or patterns may be of some help.? I have copied and pasted the following information from the following?link:? http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm 18th Century PA German Naming Customs At baptism, if two given names were given to the child, the first given name was a spiritual, saint's name. The second given name was the secular or call name, i.e., "rufnamen", which is the name the person was known by, both within the family and to the rest of the world. This custom was originally adopted in Germanic and other regions in Europe from Roman Catholic tradition and continued by the Protestants in their baptismal naming customs. The immigrants from these areas brought the custom with them to Pennsylvania. The spiritual name, usually to honor a favorite saint, was used repeatedly and was usually given to all the children of that family of the same gender. Thus the boys would be Johan Adam ...., Johan George ....., etc., or Philip Peter ...., Philip Jacob ...., etc. Girls would be named Anna Barbara ...., Anna Margaret ...., etc., or Maria Elizabeth ...., Maria Catherine ...., etc. But after baptism, these people would not be known as John, Philip, Anna, or Maria, respectively. They would instead be known by what we would think of now as their middle name, which was their secular name. Thus these people would be known respectively as Adam, George, Peter, Jacob, Barbara, Margaret, Elizabeth, and Catherine in legal and secular records. For males, the saint's name Johan or John for Saint John was particularly heavily used by many German families, but also Saint George was used by some families for male children. The child's secular name was really John, if and only if, at baptism he was named only John, usually spelled as Johannes, with no second given name. The name John spelled as Johannes is rarely seen spelled as Johannes as a spiritual name, i.e., you rarely will see the name at baptism recorded as Johannes Adam ....., etc. It is generally always found spelled as Johan or Johann when used as a spiritual name. Thus, you find the spiritual name of John recorded as Johan Adam ..... or Johann Adam ....., not Johannes Adam ..... . Many researchers, new to German names, who find a baptism of an individual with a name such as Johan Adam ....., thus mistakenly spend a lot of time looking for a John ....., in legal and census records, when he was known after baptism, to the secular world, as Adam ..... . The use of Saint John was the most common example of this custom, but Saint George was often used too. And thus one would find children in a family named George Heinrich ......, George Jacob ......, George Frederick ....., and of course simply George ..... by itself. In these examples the secular or call names would respectively be Heinrich, Jacob, Frederick, and George. The term "Senior" and "Junior" following a name did not necessarily imply a father and son relationship, as it does now. It could have been an uncle and nephew who had the same name and lived near each other. It could be a grandfather and a grandchild living together, where the father has died. It could even be two unrelated individuals with the same name but of different ages who lived near each other. So to help friends and business associates keep track of who-was-who in their discussions and records, they added on the "Sr." or "Jr." which merely meant the older and the younger, respectively. Frequently the secular name given to the child was also the same as the secular given name of one of the baptismal sponsors for the child. Said baptismal sponsors frequently were close relatives but also could be close and trusted friends and neighbors. Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Bill, I am wondering if you received my reply to you about your kind offer to look for info about John Graham, James Graham (all 3), and Benjamin Graham. I looked through my sent file and I did not see my reply to you there. I would love it if you could do that. My address is : Kerry Brandoff, P.O. Box 790, Lolo,, MT 59847. Of course, I want to reimburse you for all costs to you. Please let me know what they are. I have been "stuck" on this family for about 8 years now so I would love to make a breakthrough on them. I would appreciate anything you could do to help me. Thanks, Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: WmTempCo@aol.com<mailto:WmTempCo@aol.com> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com<mailto:rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] early deed notes In a message dated 1/21/2008 2:43:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, kerry1947@msn.com<mailto:kerry1947@msn.com> writes: Bill, Do you have any Rowan deed notes about John Graham or Samuel Graham? Or any other Grahams? The year span would have been about 1770-1810. Thanks, Kerry There are many, many GRAHAM's but no Samuel. Benjamin, Fergus, James, James jr., James Sr., Jean, John, Joseph, Margaret, Mary, Nancy, Richard [many]. Too many for me to type. Tell me the most imp. ones and give me your mailing address. I will copy and send them to you. Also map of all the creeks. Bill C **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489<http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Some great information and interesting reading in "A Colonial History of Rowan County, North Carolina" at the following link?in case?you haven't already read this piece.? Here is a list the different areas (chapters)?covered: CHAPTER 1. Description of Rowan County. CHAPTER II. The Settlements and Boundaries of Rowan County. CHAPTER III. Colonial Salisbury. CHAPTER IV. Relations with the Indians. CHAPTER V. The Courts and Officials of Rowan County and Salisbury District. CHAPTER VI. The Regulators. CHAPTER VII. The Churches of Early Rowan. CHAPTER VIII. Education in Rowan. CHAPTER IX. The Safety Committee. CHAPTER X. Social and Industrial Conditions. Link: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rowan/history/rowanhis.txt Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
I have seen many references to George (Schmidt) Smith, son of Peter and Barbara (Schmidt) Smith, as being George “Michael” Smith. Could someone please tell me where they found a document or record that says that this George Smith had a middle name and it was Michael? I have found at least two Michael Smith’s in the Rowan County, NC records, there are two Michael Smith’s on the 1790 Rowan County census records and there are also two George Smith’s on these 1790 Rowan County census records. There are two Michael Smith’s listed in “Abstract of North Carolina Wills” found at Ancestry.com, both are listed under Rowan County: 1777: Michael Smith, Fred, Rosanna, John, Lisey, Michael, Barbara. 1791: Michael Smith, Elizabeth, Jacob, Isaac, Michael. It would seem to me that the Michael Smith listed in the 1777 will abstract of Rowan County may have been the Michael Smith that I found in the 1762 Tax List of Rowan County, NC. The Michael Smith listed with the first one above was probably his son and most likely the one listed in the 1791 will abstract of Rowan County. The two Michael Smith’s in the 1791 will abstract, probably father and son, are most likely the two listed in the 1790 Rowan County census records. On the 1800 Rowan County, NC census there are four George Smith’s, one Michael Smith (probably the son of the Michael Smith listed on the 1791 will), two Fredrick Smith’s (see 1777 will above), five John Smith’s (see 1777 will above), two Jacob Smith’s (see 1791 will above), and one Isaac Smith (see 1791 will above) living in Rowan County. When there were both George Smith’s and Michael Smith’s living in Rowan County, NC during the same time, why would anyone "assume" that Peter and Barbara (Schmidt) Smith’s son was George “Michael” Smith? Does anyone have some document showing George Smith with the initial "M" or with the middle name "Michael" in his name? Thanks for any help with this mystery. Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
I don’t really know too much about Winifred Bussell Adams or Cornelius Smith and since I’m not directly related to the NJ Smith family, I know even less about them. Winifred Bussell/Buffel/Beifle (have found many spelling variations) was the daughter of Farnsed (or Farney) Valentine or Valentine Farnsed and Elizabeth (?) Bussell/Buffel/Beifle. Farnsed Bussell was the son of Paulus Buffel and Catharina Haan. Paulus and Catharina Buffel/Beifle were Palatines who arrived at Philadelphia, PA on the ship “Robert and Alice”, of Dublin, Walter Goodman, Master, from Rotterdam, but last from Dover in England on 11 Sept. 1738. (Source: Strassburger’s “Pennsylvania German Pioneers”, pp 213-216) Winifred Bussell (b. ca. 1752 - d. after 1796) and John Adams (b. 1752 - d. ca. 1781) were married 15 Aug. 1768 Rowan County, NC and they had seven children, Elizabeth, William (my ancestor), Jacob, John, Sarah, James, and Winney. On 13 Oct. 1789, the widow Winifred (Bussell) Adams and Cornelius Smith, a widower, were married in Rowan County, NC. Cornelius Smith, son of Andrew and Anna Smith, was first married to Rachel Lynn on 26 Aug. 1768 Rowan County, NC. Cornelius and Winifred Smith had at least one child, Cornelius Smith, Jr., born ca. 1790 Rowan County, NC. Cornelius Smith, Jr. married Jean Merrill 4 June 1810 Rowan County, NC. Cornelius and Winifred Smith were members of the Jersey Baptist Church in what was then Rowan County, now Davidson County. Cornelius was excommunicated from the church because he drank too much and was abusive to his wife Winney. There are others on this List who know much more about the NJ Smith's than I do. Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Linda, What can you share with us about Winefred (BUSSELL) ADAMS and Cornelius SMITH? Be Well Joe McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: <rlmlfm@aol.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] To Linda, Andrew SMITH, Peter SCHMIDT/SMITH Family > Joe, > > No, my SCMIDT/SMITH's were not related to the NJ SMITH's, my SMITH's > were?German Palatines from Lancaster County, PA (PA Dutch) before > migrating to Rowan County, NC. > > However, my 5th great grandmother Winefred (BUSSELL) ADAMS married > Cornelius SMITH after her husband John ADAMS (my ancestor) died.? > Cornelius SMITH is from the NJ SMITH's and any children that they had > together and their descendants would be related to me. > > Linda Monticelli > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: joemcdo@flash.net > To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 8:17 am > Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] To Linda, Andrew SMITH, Peter SCHMIDT/SMITH > Family > > > > Linda, > Are your SMITH'S related to Andrew SMITH family from NJ? > > Be Well > Joe McDonald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Monticelli" <lindamonticelli@yahoo.com> > To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Peter SCHMIDT/SMITH Family > > >> Phyllis, >> >> I'm sorry but I did not find any marriage records for Susanna >> Schmidt/Smith in PA. Since Susanna was born 8 April 1739, she would have >> just turned 16 years of age when Peter Smith and his family arrived in >> Rowan County, NC in May 1755 as per the following record: >> >> Rowan County, North Carolina, RECORD OF DEEDS, VOL. 6, 1764-1768, page >> 542: In an indenture dated 29 May 1755 the trustees for the township of >> Salisbury sell to John Adam a potter of Rowan County lot number 28 in the >> southeast square of Salisbury containing 144 perches for "Twenty >> Shillings >> Prov. money." >> >> The first record that I find for Richard Walton is when he shows up on >> the 1761 Early Census or Tax List in Rowan County, NC. He is mentioned in >> the will of Peter Smith, father of Susanna Smith, which was written 19 >> Sept. 1767 and is referred to as " my beloved sons George Smith and >> Richard Walton". >> >> As you probably already know Peter Smith was the Elder of the Dunkers >> Church or Church of the Brethren there in Rowan County probably soon >> after >> his arrival in Rowan. It is my understanding that the people who belonged >> to the Dunkers Church kept to themselves and there aren't any or very >> little records available of any marriages that took place within this >> religious group. >> >> I think it would be a fairly good possibility that Richard Walton and >> Susanna Smith were married sometime between 1756 and 1760, when Susanna >> Smith would have been between 17 and 21 years of age. >> >> There is a Henderson WALTON on the 1755 and 1760 and a Henry WALTON on >> the 1758, 1760 and 1761 Early Census/Tax List of Rowan County, NC. It's >> possible that one or both of these Walton men could have been somehow >> related to your Richard Walton. >> >> There are some folks who say that Richard Walton, husband of Susanna >> Smith, came from Virginia and his parents were Thomas Walton and Sarah >> Rountree. Whether this information is correct or not, I can't say. >> >> Linda Monticelli >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
belinda and other naysayers....did you see any pricing? no... there is absolutely no problem with SamPubCo informing us that he's going green.....a very progressive announcement from one of the best resources in our genealogical world....no one seems to have a problem mentioning Ancestry.com on these lists, the biggest for-profit entity around..... if the list-owner has a problem with it, let him/her deal it directly with the supposed offender.. r/steven -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David & Belinda Rodgers" <djrodgers@lexcominc.net> > One major problem with the whole thing is it's against Rootsweb policy to > use **any** of their lists to advertise for profit which is what this > person/company did by offering a paid service no matter how good or bad it > may be. They have a separate section where that can be done....RootsWeb is > all about free and helping each other & not for any profit. SamPubCo has > definitely achieved advertising through this discussion. Back to > researching... > > belinda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walt Wilson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:51 PM > Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] SAMPUBCO's going GREEN > > > > Never heard of him or his supposed great service > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Dear Joan, This is what I have for Jesse born 1803 Rowan Co, NC I believe this to be the child that Elizabeth was carrying when she & James were married in 1803 Jessie Harbin born 1803 47 / Sarah born 1809 KY 41 Nancy born 1832. IN 18 James F. born IN 16 John born IN 14 This James F. Harbin was buried in the Wheatland Cemetery in grandfather Phillip Byers Harbin's lot.. Joyce Frye (Glenn's relative) took my sister & I to the cemetery there along with another family member (Faye Ricketts) who is now deceased. We saw the James Harbin Farm. It is still owned by Jame's decendents. One was an elderly lady who may have passed by now. I was in contact with a few Harbins of that era. I am trying to find a sheet listing the David Granderson Harbin line to send to you. James was listed right along with children of Phillip Byers Harbin's children by ages of all. Betty G. . Betty G. >I hope someone can clear up a discrepancy for me on this name. > > I have references for an Alex/Eleck, Jean & Walter HARBIN (I think) in the > Salisbury Dist in 1787. In 1778 there is a Alex HARDEN getting land from > the State of NC (deeds 9-668 & 10-69). In 1795 Alex HARDEN is deeding to > Wm. HARDEN (14-784). I have not been able to find him on the 1800 or 1810 > census. Given the names of William & Walter HARBIN also being involved it > would make sense for him to be a HARBIN, but I wonder. > > Does anyone have access to other records that might clarify which name is > correct? Thanks so much. > > Joan Marie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Amen AMEN ! End of thread, I hope. Myrna Madigan ----- Original Message ----- From: <johnnylumen@comcast.net> To: "David & Belinda Rodgers" <djrodgers@lexcominc.net>; <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] SAMPUBCO's going GREEN > belinda and other naysayers....did you see any pricing? no... there is > absolutely no problem with SamPubCo informing us that he's going > green.....a very progressive announcement from one of the best resources > in our genealogical world....no one seems to have a problem mentioning > Ancestry.com on these lists, the biggest for-profit entity around..... > if the list-owner has a problem with it, let him/her deal it directly with > the supposed offender.. > r/steven > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "David & Belinda Rodgers" <djrodgers@lexcominc.net> > >> One major problem with the whole thing is it's against Rootsweb policy to >> use **any** of their lists to advertise for profit which is what this >> person/company did by offering a paid service no matter how good or bad >> it >> may be. They have a separate section where that can be done....RootsWeb >> is >> all about free and helping each other & not for any profit. SamPubCo has >> definitely achieved advertising through this discussion. Back to >> researching... >> >> belinda >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Walt Wilson" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] SAMPUBCO's going GREEN >> >> >> > Never heard of him or his supposed great service >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >