Church records for Zion Lutheran Church, better known as Organ Lutheran Church, in Rowan County, NC includes membership list and church records such as baptisms, marriages, and confirmations from 1772 to 1913 on film #0175422 at the NC State Archives in Raleigh.? They "might" also have these records, film #0175422, at the Rowan Public Library in Salisbury. Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Just a note here... Organ Church was built first.  When Lower Stone was built by the Reformed congregation, it was designed to be just large enough the fit Organ (then Zion) inside it. Jan -----Original Message----- From: rlmlfm@aol.com To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 8:27 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records Hal, The Organ (Zion) Lutheran Church is located south of Salisbury and near the Rowan-Cabarrus County border.  I have read that they have records dating back to the early days of this church and these records are all written in German.  The original part of the Organ Church building that it is today was built between 1792 and 1795.  Pastor Storch was the pastor of Organ Lutheran Church from 1788-1823 and Storch recorded in the church records that in 1774 a group of members began to build the church building. Here are the three earliest, to my knowledge, Lutheran churches in Rowan County. Organ Lutheran Church (est. 1775) 1515 Organ Church Rd Salisbury, NC 28146, US South of Salisbury and near the Rowan-Cabarrus County border St John's Lutheran Church (est. ca. 1772) 200 W Innes St Salisbury, NC 28144 Within the city of Salisbury St Peters Lutheran Church 2570 Saint Peters Church Rd Salisbury, NC 28146 Southeast of the city of Salisbury Linda Monticelli -----Original Message----- From: Hal McCawley <halmac@cox.net> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Cc: Landers, Lois <mtnwoman@getgoin.net> Sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records Marla. Where is this Organ Luth Ch located and what era do their rec cover? ere there other Luth ch in 1799s Rowan Co?? est, al McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 HalMac@Cox.net> ---- Original Message ----- rom: <rlmlfm@aol.com> o: <ncrowan@rootsweb.com>; <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> ent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:30 PM ubject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records Marla Goodrich <mhg68@msn.com> wrote: I have Christoph and Dorothy Rintelmann and Martin Miller who married their daughter Sophia from Rowan Co. 1700's. I have never been able to find where in Germany they were from. I am wondering if the early Organ Lutheran Church records tell where in Germany people were from? In these records are there births, baptisms, marriages and deaths? Is there a way to see these early records. ---------------------------------------- Marla, Following is an article that mentions Christopher Rintelmann and the Organ Lutheran Church in Rowan County that might be of interest: Introduction by Boyd and Krummel Introduction by Boyd and Krummel [Towards the middle of the eighteenth century German immigrants made their appearance in North Carolina. They came from Pennsylvania and settled in the Piedmont region, in the area including the present counties of Forsyth, Guilford, Orange, Alamance, Stanly, Cabarrus, Gaston, Lincoln, Iredell, Stokes, Davie, Davidson and Rowan. Their outstanding characteristics were loyalty to their native language and customs-German being used in the churches for many years,-skill in the industrial arts and agriculture, and a disinclination to participate in politics. Their numbers we do not know, but according to the census of 1790 there were approximately eight thousand. Their religious heritage was German Reformed and Lutheran. They organized and built churches but ministers were few, the only pastors prior to 1773 being of the German Reformed church. Often the members of the two denominations worshipped together and often, also, services were conducted by the laity. With this situation the Lutherans were not satisfied, and in 1772, after unsuccessful efforts to secure pastors and teachers from Pennsylvania, they sent two commissioners to Europe, CHRISTOPHER RENTELMANN, from ORGAN CHURCH, ROWAN County, and CHRISTOPHER LAYRLE of St. John's Church, MECKLENBURG, (now CABARRUS County) to apply for aid to the Consistory of Hanover. Passing through London the commissioners received encouragement from the royal court; a call for aid was issued from the Chapel of St. James and King George III himself made a contribution. From Hanover the Reverend Adolph Nüssmann, formerly a member of the Franciscan Order, was secured as pastor and Gottfried Arend as school master. These worthies arrived in North Carolina in 1773 and located in Orange County. Soon Arend was ordained a minister and took charge of the churches in Rowan, Nüssmann transferring to Mecklenburg (now Cabarrus County). It was the hope of these men and their parishioners to secure further aid from the Consistory of Hanover, but the Revolution interrupted all communication with the fatherland. In 1787, however, effort was made to renew relations; the hope being to secure more pastors and also books for religious and secular instruction. Communication was opened, however, not with the Consistory of Hanover, but with the Reverend Johann Caspar Velthusen, Professor of Theology in the Julius Charles University at Helmstaedt, Duchy of Brunswick, who, as court preacher at London in 1773, had been interested in the missionary movement of that time in behalf of North Carolina. Under his leadership a missionary society was organized to aid the Lutheran churches in North Carolina, and soon additional pastors arrived, Reverend Christopher Bernhardt in 1787, Carl August Storch in 1788, and Reverend Arnold Roshen soon after. However, the aid sought and extended was not confined to the sending of ministers. Text books, lay and religious, were asked for and under the leadership of Velthusen eight text books were prepared and published for use in the Lutheran schools of North Carolina. Thus the Lutheran Church was given a broader foundation and in 1803 the Evangelical Lutheran Synod of North Carolina was formally organized. Concerning these matters the pamphlets here reprinted in translation give much information. They include the four formal reports of the Helmstaedt professors concerning the text books prepared for the youth of North Carolina and also two reports of Nüssmann concerning the status of the Lutheran churches in North Carolina. Space permits only the publication in this issue of the reports on the text books; those concerning the churches will appear in the issue of April 1930.] (Source: http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/Bookshelf/lutheran/intro.htm) Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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Hal, The Organ (Zion) Lutheran Church is located south of Salisbury and near the Rowan-Cabarrus County border.  I have read that they have records dating back to the early days of this church and these records are all written in German.  The original part of the Organ Church building that it is today was built between 1792 and 1795.  Pastor Storch was the pastor of Organ Lutheran Church from 1788-1823 and Storch recorded in the church records that in 1774 a group of members began to build the church building. Here are the three earliest, to my knowledge, Lutheran churches in Rowan County. Organ Lutheran Church (est. 1775) 1515 Organ Church Rd Salisbury, NC 28146, US South of Salisbury and near the Rowan-Cabarrus County border St John's Lutheran Church (est. ca. 1772) 200 W Innes St Salisbury, NC 28144 Within the city of Salisbury St Peters Lutheran Church 2570 Saint Peters Church Rd Salisbury, NC 28146 Southeast of the city of Salisbury Linda Monticelli -----Original Message----- From: Hal McCawley <halmac@cox.net> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Cc: Landers, Lois <mtnwoman@getgoin.net> Sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records Marla. Where is this Organ Luth Ch located and what era do their rec cover? ere there other Luth ch in 1799s Rowan Co?? est, al McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 HalMac@Cox.net> ---- Original Message ----- rom: <rlmlfm@aol.com> o: <ncrowan@rootsweb.com>; <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> ent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:30 PM ubject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records Marla Goodrich <mhg68@msn.com> wrote: I have Christoph and Dorothy Rintelmann and Martin Miller who married their daughter Sophia from Rowan Co. 1700's. I have never been able to find where in Germany they were from. I am wondering if the early Organ Lutheran Church records tell where in Germany people were from? In these records are there births, baptisms, marriages and deaths? Is there a way to see these early records. ---------------------------------------- Marla, Following is an article that mentions Christopher Rintelmann and the Organ Lutheran Church in Rowan County that might be of interest: Introduction by Boyd and Krummel Introduction by Boyd and Krummel [Towards the middle of the eighteenth century German immigrants made their appearance in North Carolina. They came from Pennsylvania and settled in the Piedmont region, in the area including the present counties of Forsyth, Guilford, Orange, Alamance, Stanly, Cabarrus, Gaston, Lincoln, Iredell, Stokes, Davie, Davidson and Rowan. Their outstanding characteristics were loyalty to their native language and customs-German being used in the churches for many years,-skill in the industrial arts and agriculture, and a disinclination to participate in politics. Their numbers we do not know, but according to the census of 1790 there were approximately eight thousand. Their religious heritage was German Reformed and Lutheran. They organized and built churches but ministers were few, the only pastors prior to 1773 being of the German Reformed church. Often the members of the two denominations worshipped together and often, also, services were conducted by the laity. With this situation the Lutherans were not satisfied, and in 1772, after unsuccessful efforts to secure pastors and teachers from Pennsylvania, they sent two commissioners to Europe, CHRISTOPHER RENTELMANN, from ORGAN CHURCH, ROWAN County, and CHRISTOPHER LAYRLE of St. John's Church, MECKLENBURG, (now CABARRUS County) to apply for aid to the Consistory of Hanover. Passing through London the commissioners received encouragement from the royal court; a call for aid was issued from the Chapel of St. James and King George III himself made a contribution. From Hanover the Reverend Adolph Nüssmann, formerly a member of the Franciscan Order, was secured as pastor and Gottfried Arend as school master. These worthies arrived in North Carolina in 1773 and located in Orange County. Soon Arend was ordained a minister and took charge of the churches in Rowan, Nüssmann transferring to Mecklenburg (now Cabarrus County). It was the hope of these men and their parishioners to secure further aid from the Consistory of Hanover, but the Revolution interrupted all communication with the fatherland. In 1787, however, effort was made to renew relations; the hope being to secure more pastors and also books for religious and secular instruction. Communication was opened, however, not with the Consistory of Hanover, but with the Reverend Johann Caspar Velthusen, Professor of Theology in the Julius Charles University at Helmstaedt, Duchy of Brunswick, who, as court preacher at London in 1773, had been interested in the missionary movement of that time in behalf of North Carolina. Under his leadership a missionary society was organized to aid the Lutheran churches in North Carolina, and soon additional pastors arrived, Reverend Christopher Bernhardt in 1787, Carl August Storch in 1788, and Reverend Arnold Roshen soon after. However, the aid sought and extended was not confined to the sending of ministers. Text books, lay and religious, were asked for and under the leadership of Velthusen eight text books were prepared and published for use in the Lutheran schools of North Carolina. Thus the Lutheran Church was given a broader foundation and in 1803 the Evangelical Lutheran Synod of North Carolina was formally organized. Concerning these matters the pamphlets here reprinted in translation give much information. They include the four formal reports of the Helmstaedt professors concerning the text books prepared for the youth of North Carolina and also two reports of Nüssmann concerning the status of the Lutheran churches in North Carolina. Space permits only the publication in this issue of the reports on the text books; those concerning the churches will appear in the issue of April 1930.] (Source: http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/Bookshelf/lutheran/intro.htm) Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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In a message dated 2/2/08 4:57:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, halmac@cox.net writes: > Marla. Where is this Organ Luth Ch located and what era do their rec > cover? > Were there other Luth ch in 1799s Rowan Co?? > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 > <HalMac@Cox.net> Some links: //ah.dcr.state.nc.us/SECTIONS/hp/colonial/Bookshelf/lutheran/ptll-a.htm (excellent first hand account!) //library.uncg.edu/ejournals/backcountry/Vol1No1/StoneChurchesPart1.pdf //library.uncg.edu/ejournals/backcountry/Vol2No1/StoneChurchesPart2.pdf //www.ruralhalllutherans.org/history.htm //www.stjohnslutheranchurch.net/history.html > > To Marla concerning the Rintleman's: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rlmlfm@aol.com> > To: <ncrowan@rootsweb.com>; <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records > > > > > >Marla Goodrich <mhg68@msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >I have Christoph and Dorothy Rintelmann and Martin Miller who married > >their daughter Sophia from Rowan Co. 1700's. I have never been able to > >find where in Germany they were from. I am wondering if the early Organ > >Lutheran Church records tell where in Germany people were from? In these > >records are there births, baptisms, marriages and deaths? Is there a way > >to see these early records. > > > >---------------------------------------- > >Marla, Christopher (Christophe/Stoffell) Rintleman (also see: Rindelman, Rendleman/Rendelman, Randelman/Randleman, and variations) and his wife Anna Dorathea ??? Rintleman's daughter Sophia is mentioned in various Rindleman researchers works as having been born 1 Mar. 1731/32(calendar change) in Hamburg, Germany and dying 4 Jan 1817 Randolph Co., Ark. I've always been a bit confused about her husband's full name, since some identify him as Martin Miller but the marriage bond filed 13 Aug 1766 in Rowan Co., NC has his name as Baston/Boston (the diminutive of Bastian/Bostian) [demoted on the bond as German]. The bondsman was Sophia's father Christopher Rintleman. I have not researched the origins of Christopher in Germany, or the line of Sophia. My interest in the Rintleman family (where I have done a bit more research) is Christopher's son Johannes (John) Rintleman who married Anna Margaret Schnepp (Snapp), whose marriage bond was issued 24 October 1767 in Rowan Co., NC. Anna Margaret Schnepp (Snapp) was the daughter of Lorentz Schnepp one of the earliest German settler's in Rowan Co., NC arriving sometime around 1749 -50. About the time they migrated to backcountry NC, Lorentz's niece Christina and her new husband John Lewis Beard joined them; moving down the Great Wagon Road from the Opequon creek settlement in what was later Frederick Co., VA. Anna Margaret Schnepp Rintleman was born in 1749 in either North Carolina or possibly Lancaster/York Co., PA where her mother's parents lived and the family may have been staying with waiting for the cabin to be built in NC by Lorentz to move his family to the frontier. The reason I mention this is to give you some suggestion of a prior location to search records for the Rintleman's before they too migrated to Rowan Co., NC. Johannes (John) is believed to have been born in 1743 in Germany. On 26 Sept. 1767 Christopher and his son Johannes took the Oath of Naturalization: Christopher Rengleman, Stoeffel Boo, John Rengleman, John Hainlain took the Oath of Naturalization. (Superior Court Minutes(abstracted), Rowan Co., NC, pg. 603) By law, a male had to have either been a child when they arrived in the Colonies and had now reached the age of 21 or a male had to have been living in the Colonies for 7 years after arrival (if adult when they came) before they could take the Oath of Naturalization. This could possibly provide a clue as to what years to search in manifest of ships arriving at the port of Philadelphia which may have carried the family. One of my direct ancestor's is Lorentz Schnepp through his daughter Catharina who married Johan George Reel in 1762 in Rowan Co., NC. Anna Margaret is mentioned in her father's will and the last name is written in German as Rittleman. This same name spelling is also in the will of their sister Elizabetha Schnepp (Snapp) who never married. (Both wills are written in German). But, on Elisabetha's will John Rintelman signs as witness and spells the last name as Rintleman. John Rintleman and Anna Margaret Schnepp Rintleman had 7 known children ( 2 of the lines migrated to Union Co., ILL). Their second child John Samuel Rintleman, Jr married his first cousin, Catharina Reel, daughter of Johan George and Cathariana Schnepp Reel. One area of a bit of a mystery for me is the connection of your Martin (Bastian) Miller (Muller) as a possible son of Wendel Miller (Muller) who was also a founding member of Organ Lutheran church and the land where he settled being very close to the land of Christopher Rintleman. This Wendel Miller appears to have had a son named Wendel Miller who migrated to Jefferson Co., KY about 1790 with two of the sons of Johans George and Catharina Schnepp Reel. I have been trying to get a handle on the Wendel Miller family and wonder if you have any other information of your Miller line from early Rowan Co., NC? Charmaine Reel Ernst ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 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I might add that most of Union County, Illinois was settled by Rowan County people. My own lines are Michael Hartman Dillow, Hoshouser, Rinehart. Powles, Hileman, Hoffner and Knupp. Rendleman, Lyerla, Miller, Barringer, Earnhart, Casper, Davis, Eddleman, Treece, Peeler, Trexler, and Clutts are just a few besides my own lines all over Union County, IL. Marianne Dillow janrobison2@aim.com wrote: Just a note here... Organ Church was built first. When Lower Stone was built by the Reformed congregation, it was designed to be just large enough the fit Organ (then Zion) inside it. Jan -----Original Message----- From: rlmlfm@aol.com To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 8:27 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records Hal, The Organ (Zion) Lutheran Church is located south of Salisbury and near the Rowan-Cabarrus County border. I have read that they have records dating back to the early days of this church and these records are all written in German. The original part of the Organ Church building that it is today was built between 1792 and 1795. Pastor Storch was the pastor of Organ Lutheran Church from 1788-1823 and Storch recorded in the church records that in 1774 a group of members began to build the church building. Here are the three earliest, to my knowledge, Lutheran churches in Rowan County. Organ Lutheran Church (est. 1775) 1515 Organ Church Rd Salisbury, NC 28146, US South of Salisbury and near the Rowan-Cabarrus County border St John's Lutheran Church (est. ca. 1772) 200 W Innes St Salisbury, NC 28144 Within the city of Salisbury St Peters Lutheran Church 2570 Saint Peters Church Rd Salisbury, NC 28146 Southeast of the city of Salisbury Linda Monticelli -----Original Message----- From: Hal McCawley To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Cc: Landers, Lois Sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records Marla. Where is this Organ Luth Ch located and what era do their rec cover? ere there other Luth ch in 1799s Rowan Co?? est, al McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 HalMac@Cox.net> ---- Original Message ----- rom: o: ; ent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:30 PM ubject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records Marla Goodrich wrote: I have Christoph and Dorothy Rintelmann and Martin Miller who married their daughter Sophia from Rowan Co. 1700's. I have never been able to find where in Germany they were from. I am wondering if the early Organ Lutheran Church records tell where in Germany people were from? In these records are there births, baptisms, marriages and deaths? Is there a way to see these early records. ---------------------------------------- Marla, Following is an article that mentions Christopher Rintelmann and the Organ Lutheran Church in Rowan County that might be of interest: Introduction by Boyd and Krummel Introduction by Boyd and Krummel [Towards the middle of the eighteenth century German immigrants made their appearance in North Carolina. They came from Pennsylvania and settled in the Piedmont region, in the area including the present counties of Forsyth, Guilford, Orange, Alamance, Stanly, Cabarrus, Gaston, Lincoln, Iredell, Stokes, Davie, Davidson and Rowan. Their outstanding characteristics were loyalty to their native language and customs-German being used in the churches for many years,-skill in the industrial arts and agriculture, and a disinclination to participate in politics. Their numbers we do not know, but according to the census of 1790 there were approximately eight thousand. Their religious heritage was German Reformed and Lutheran. They organized and built churches but ministers were few, the only pastors prior to 1773 being of the German Reformed church. Often the members of the two denominations worshipped together and often, also, services were conducted by the laity. With this situation the Lutherans were not satisfied, and in 1772, after unsuccessful efforts to secure pastors and teachers from Pennsylvania, they sent two commissioners to Europe, CHRISTOPHER RENTELMANN, from ORGAN CHURCH, ROWAN County, and CHRISTOPHER LAYRLE of St. John's Church, MECKLENBURG, (now CABARRUS County) to apply for aid to the Consistory of Hanover. Passing through London the commissioners received encouragement from the royal court; a call for aid was issued from the Chapel of St. James and King George III himself made a contribution. From Hanover the Reverend Adolph Nüssmann, formerly a member of the Franciscan Order, was secured as pastor and Gottfried Arend as school master. These worthies arrived in North Carolina in 1773 and located in Orange County. Soon Arend was ordained a minister and took charge of the churches in Rowan, Nüssmann transferring to Mecklenburg (now Cabarrus County). It was the hope of these men and their parishioners to secure further aid from the Consistory of Hanover, but the Revolution interrupted all communication with the fatherland. In 1787, however, effort was made to renew relations; the hope being to secure more pastors and also books for religious and secular instruction. Communication was opened, however, not with the Consistory of Hanover, but with the Reverend Johann Caspar Velthusen, Professor of Theology in the Julius Charles University at Helmstaedt, Duchy of Brunswick, who, as court preacher at London in 1773, had been interested in the missionary movement of that time in behalf of North Carolina. Under his leadership a missionary society was organized to aid the Lutheran churches in North Carolina, and soon additional pastors arrived, Reverend Christopher Bernhardt in 1787, Carl August Storch in 1788, and Reverend Arnold Roshen soon after. However, the aid sought and extended was not confined to the sending of ministers. Text books, lay and religious, were asked for and under the leadership of Velthusen eight text books were prepared and published for use in the Lutheran schools of North Carolina. Thus the Lutheran Church was given a broader foundation and in 1803 the Evangelical Lutheran Synod of North Carolina was formally organized. Concerning these matters the pamphlets here reprinted in translation give much information. They include the four formal reports of the Helmstaedt professors concerning the text books prepared for the youth of North Carolina and also two reports of Nüssmann concerning the status of the Lutheran churches in North Carolina. Space permits only the publication in this issue of the reports on the text books; those concerning the churches will appear in the issue of April 1930.] (Source: http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/Bookshelf/lutheran/intro.htm) Linda Monticelli

Marla. Where is this Organ Luth Ch located and what era do their rec cover? Were there other Luth ch in 1799s Rowan Co?? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: <rlmlfm@aol.com> To: <ncrowan@rootsweb.com>; <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [NCROWAN] Lutheran records > > Marla Goodrich <mhg68@msn.com> wrote: > > > > I have Christoph and Dorothy Rintelmann and Martin Miller who married > their daughter Sophia from Rowan Co. 1700's. I have never been able to > find where in Germany they were from. I am wondering if the early Organ > Lutheran Church records tell where in Germany people were from? In these > records are there births, baptisms, marriages and deaths? Is there a way > to see these early records. > > ---------------------------------------- > Marla, > > Following is an article that mentions Christopher Rintelmann and the Organ > Lutheran Church in Rowan County that might be of interest: > > > Introduction > by Boyd and Krummel > > > > Introduction > by Boyd and Krummel > > > > [Towards the middle of the eighteenth century German immigrants made their > appearance in North Carolina. They came from Pennsylvania and settled in > the Piedmont region, in the area including the present counties of > Forsyth, Guilford, Orange, Alamance, Stanly, Cabarrus, Gaston, Lincoln, > Iredell, Stokes, Davie, Davidson and Rowan. Their outstanding > characteristics were loyalty to their native language and customs-German > being used in the churches for many years,-skill in the industrial arts > and agriculture, and a disinclination to participate in politics. Their > numbers we do not know, but according to the census of 1790 there were > approximately eight thousand. Their religious heritage was German Reformed > and Lutheran. They organized and built churches but ministers were few, > the only pastors prior to 1773 being of the German Reformed church. Often > the members of the two denominations worshipped together and often, also, > services were conducted by the laity. > > > With this situation the Lutherans were not satisfied, and in 1772, after > unsuccessful efforts to secure pastors and teachers from Pennsylvania, > they sent two commissioners to > > Europe, CHRISTOPHER RENTELMANN, from ORGAN CHURCH, ROWAN County, and > CHRISTOPHER LAYRLE of St. John's Church, MECKLENBURG, (now CABARRUS > County) to apply for aid to the Consistory of Hanover. > > > > Passing through London the commissioners received encouragement from the > royal court; a call for aid was issued from the Chapel of St. James and > King George III himself made a contribution. From Hanover the Reverend > Adolph Nüssmann, formerly a member of the Franciscan Order, was secured as > pastor and Gottfried Arend as school master. These worthies arrived in > North Carolina in 1773 and located in Orange County. Soon Arend was > ordained a minister and took charge of the churches in Rowan, Nüssmann > transferring to Mecklenburg (now Cabarrus County). It was the hope of > these men and their parishioners to secure further aid from the Consistory > of Hanover, but the Revolution interrupted all communication with the > fatherland. In 1787, however, effort was made to renew relations; the hope > being to secure more pastors and also books for religious > > and secular instruction. Communication was opened, however, not with the > Consistory of Hanover, but with the Reverend Johann Caspar Velthusen, > Professor of Theology in the Julius Charles University at Helmstaedt, > Duchy of Brunswick, who, as court preacher at London in 1773, had been > interested in the missionary movement of that time in behalf of North > Carolina. Under his leadership a missionary society was organized to aid > the Lutheran churches in North Carolina, and soon additional pastors > arrived, Reverend Christopher Bernhardt in 1787, Carl August Storch in > 1788, and Reverend Arnold Roshen soon after. However, the aid sought and > extended was not confined to the sending of ministers. Text books, lay and > religious, were asked for and under the leadership of Velthusen eight text > books were prepared and published for use in the Lutheran schools of North > Carolina. Thus the Lutheran Church was given a broader foundation and in > 1803 the Evangelical Lutheran Synod of North Carolina was formally > organized. > > > > Concerning these matters the pamphlets here reprinted in translation give > much information. They include the four formal reports of the Helmstaedt > professors concerning the text books prepared for the youth of North > Carolina and also two reports > > of Nüssmann concerning the status of the Lutheran churches in North > Carolina. Space permits only the publication in this issue of the reports > on the text books; those concerning the churches will appear in the issue > of April 1930.] > > > > (Source: > http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/Bookshelf/lutheran/intro.htm) > > Linda Monticelli > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. 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Marla Goodrich <mhg68@msn.com> wrote: I have Christoph and Dorothy Rintelmann and Martin Miller who married their daughter Sophia from Rowan Co. 1700's. I have never been able to find where in Germany they were from. I am wondering if the early Organ Lutheran Church records tell where in Germany people were from? In these records are there births, baptisms, marriages and deaths? Is there a way to see these early records. ---------------------------------------- Marla, Following is an article that mentions Christopher Rintelmann and the Organ Lutheran Church in Rowan County that might be of interest: Introduction by Boyd and Krummel Introduction by Boyd and Krummel [Towards the middle of the eighteenth century German immigrants made their appearance in North Carolina. They came from Pennsylvania and settled in the Piedmont region, in the area including the present counties of Forsyth, Guilford, Orange, Alamance, Stanly, Cabarrus, Gaston, Lincoln, Iredell, Stokes, Davie, Davidson and Rowan. Their outstanding characteristics were loyalty to their native language and customs-German being used in the churches for many years,-skill in the industrial arts and agriculture, and a disinclination to participate in politics. Their numbers we do not know, but according to the census of 1790 there were approximately eight thousand. Their religious heritage was German Reformed and Lutheran. They organized and built churches but ministers were few, the only pastors prior to 1773 being of the German Reformed church. Often the members of the two denominations worshipped together and often, also, services were conducted by the laity. With this situation the Lutherans were not satisfied, and in 1772, after unsuccessful efforts to secure pastors and teachers from Pennsylvania, they sent two commissioners to Europe, CHRISTOPHER RENTELMANN, from ORGAN CHURCH, ROWAN County, and CHRISTOPHER LAYRLE of St. John's Church, MECKLENBURG, (now CABARRUS County) to apply for aid to the Consistory of Hanover. Passing through London the commissioners received encouragement from the royal court; a call for aid was issued from the Chapel of St. James and King George III himself made a contribution. From Hanover the Reverend Adolph Nüssmann, formerly a member of the Franciscan Order, was secured as pastor and Gottfried Arend as school master. These worthies arrived in North Carolina in 1773 and located in Orange County. Soon Arend was ordained a minister and took charge of the churches in Rowan, Nüssmann transferring to Mecklenburg (now Cabarrus County). It was the hope of these men and their parishioners to secure further aid from the Consistory of Hanover, but the Revolution interrupted all communication with the fatherland. In 1787, however, effort was made to renew relations; the hope being to secure more pastors and also books for religious and secular instruction. Communication was opened, however, not with the Consistory of Hanover, but with the Reverend Johann Caspar Velthusen, Professor of Theology in the Julius Charles University at Helmstaedt, Duchy of Brunswick, who, as court preacher at London in 1773, had been interested in the missionary movement of that time in behalf of North Carolina. Under his leadership a missionary society was organized to aid the Lutheran churches in North Carolina, and soon additional pastors arrived, Reverend Christopher Bernhardt in 1787, Carl August Storch in 1788, and Reverend Arnold Roshen soon after. However, the aid sought and extended was not confined to the sending of ministers. Text books, lay and religious, were asked for and under the leadership of Velthusen eight text books were prepared and published for use in the Lutheran schools of North Carolina. Thus the Lutheran Church was given a broader foundation and in 1803 the Evangelical Lutheran Synod of North Carolina was formally organized. Concerning these matters the pamphlets here reprinted in translation give much information. They include the four formal reports of the Helmstaedt professors concerning the text books prepared for the youth of North Carolina and also two reports of Nüssmann concerning the status of the Lutheran churches in North Carolina. Space permits only the publication in this issue of the reports on the text books; those concerning the churches will appear in the issue of April 1930.] (Source: http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/Bookshelf/lutheran/intro.htm) Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

For Stout-Smith-Merrill-Julian researchers, plus others in the Jersey Settlement in NC See the book "Pioneers of Old Hopewell" Look for the book title on the left of the page. It is about 50 pages in length and it does not have an index, but it is interesting. The book makes reference to the Stouts and describes life in Hopewell. The Stouts are mentioned on pg. 41, 45, 50 and probably more. http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Also covers these Delaware Maryland New Jersey Pennsylvania Virginia Washington DC West Virginia Family Histories Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

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Thanks Linda, This very good info. Be Well Joe McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: <rlmlfm@aol.com> To: <ncrowan@rootsweb.com>; <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: [ROWANROOTS] "A Colonial History of Rowan... > Some great information and interesting reading in "A Colonial History of > Rowan County, North Carolina" at the following link?in case?you haven't > already read this piece.? Here is a list the different areas > (chapters)?covered: > > > CHAPTER 1. Description of Rowan County. > > CHAPTER II. The Settlements and Boundaries of Rowan County. > > CHAPTER III. Colonial Salisbury. > > CHAPTER IV. Relations with the Indians. > > CHAPTER V. The Courts and Officials of Rowan County and Salisbury > District. > > CHAPTER VI. The Regulators. > > CHAPTER VII. The Churches of Early Rowan. > > CHAPTER VIII. Education in Rowan. > > CHAPTER IX. The Safety Committee. > > CHAPTER X. Social and Industrial Conditions. > > > > Link: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/rowan/history/rowanhis.txt > > > > Linda Monticelli > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are welcome, Joe. According to most MERRILL researchers, Jean MERRILL who married Cornelius SMITH, Jr. 4 June 1810 Rowan County, NC was the daughter of Jonathan MERRILL, Sr. and Nancy ELLIOT and granddaughter of Captain Benjamin MERRILL and Jemima SMITH MERRILL. None of these MERRILL researchers seem to know who the parents of Cornelius SMITH, Jr. were.  Cornelius SMITH, Jr. is the only child that I know of that my Winifred (BUSSELL) ADAMS SMITH and Cornelius SMITH, Sr. had, there may have been other children from this marriage. Linda Monticelli -----Original Message----- From: joemcdo@flash.net To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] To Linda, Andrew SMITH, Peter SCHMIDT/SMITH Family Thanks Linda, his is some great info. I'm related to the MERRILL'S from NJ and Capt. enjamin MERRILL and wife Jemima Smith MERRILL, from the Jersey Settlement n Rowan/Davidson Co., NC. Would love to talk to others that are related. o you know the parents of Jean Merrill that married Cornelius Smith, Jr. 4 une 1810 Rowan County, NC? Was she also a widow and was she a Merrill or omething else before? Be Well oe McDonald ---- Original Message ----- rom: <rlmlfm@aol.com> o: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> ent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:04 PM ubject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] To Linda, Andrew SMITH, Peter SCHMIDT/SMITH Family I don’t really know too much about Winifred Bussell Adams or Cornelius Smith and since I’m not directly related to the NJ Smith family, I know even less about them. Winifred Bussell/Buffel/Beifle (have found many spelling variations) was the daughter of Farnsed (or Farney) Valentine or Valentine Farnsed and Elizabeth (?) Bussell/Buffel/Beifle. Farnsed Bussell was the son of Paulus Buffel and Catharina Haan. Paulus and Catharina Buffel/Beifle were Palatines who arrived at Philadelphia, PA on the ship “Robert and Alice”, of Dublin, Walter Goodman, Master, from Rotterdam, but last from Dover in England on 11 Sept. 1738. (Source: Strassburger’s “Pennsylvania German Pioneers”, pp 213-216) Winifred Bussell (b. ca. 1752 - d. after 1796) and John Adams (b. 1752 - d. ca. 1781) were married 15 Aug. 1768 Rowan County, NC and they had seven children, Elizabeth, William (my ancestor), Jacob, John, Sarah, James, and Winney. On 13 Oct. 1789, the widow Winifred (Bussell) Adams and Cornelius Smith, a widower, were married in Rowan County, NC. Cornelius Smith, son of Andrew and Anna Smith, was first married to Rachel Lynn on 26 Aug. 1768 Rowan County, NC. Cornelius and Winifred Smith had at least one child, Cornelius Smith, Jr., born ca. 1790 Rowan County, NC. Cornelius Smith, Jr. married Jean Merrill 4 June 1810 Rowan County, NC. Cornelius and Winifred Smith were members of the Jersey Baptist Church in what was then Rowan County, now Davidson County. Cornelius was excommunicated from the church because he drank too much and was abusive to his wife Winney. There are others on this List who know much more about the NJ Smith's than I do. Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Hi Karon, Eleanor Luckey McGuire's son, James McGuire, was the only one to move to Jersey County, IL.? He never married.? Another son, David McGuire, moved to Madison County, TN with wife Fannie Hamm.? The rest of the children remained in NC.? Thanks for writing back :) ~Glinda -----Original Message----- From: Karon <kcks39@yahoo.com> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 7:50 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Wonderful... I know about the Eleanor Luckey who married James McGuire. I have always thought that they might have traveled to Jersey County together. There is a bio on the Jersey County site that mentioned her and it all fit. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Hi, I have a Samuel Luckey born about 1733, PA and wife Mary.? Samuel Luckey and Mary had the following children, John, Anne, Mary Ann, Eleanor, and Samuel, Jr.? Samuel Sr. died in Rowan County, NC about 1802.? I descend from Eleanor Luckey who married James McGuire in Rowan County, NC.? Would love to be able to figure out all the Samuel Luckeys out there :)? I believe my Samuel Luckey, Sr.? might be the son of Robert Luckey and Isabella.? Would love to hear from you. ~Glinda -----Original Message----- From: Debra Black <craft1952@hotmail.com> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 5:13 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Hi Pat Hagan Frunzi: I was wondering if you had a Samuel Luckey in your line: right at this minute I ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Hi Pat, You mentioned that John Hagans/Hagins is buried at Thyatira Cemetery and according to Ramsey's "Carolina Cradle" a John Luckie (1688-1773) is also buried at the Thyatira Cemetery.? It also says the a Robert Luckie who wrote his will in 1754 Lancaster County, PA had sons, Hugh, John, Andrew, James, Robert, and Samuel.? John Luckie, John Luckie, Jr., Joseph Luckie, Robert Luckie, Samuel Luckie, and William Luckie were all residing at the Irish settlement in Rowan County, NC by 1762. Ramsey also mentions the large Reed family who settled in the Irish settlement in Rowan County.? Here are the Reed names mentioned in Carolina Cradle,?Hugh Reed, John Reed, Robert Reed, Samuel Reed, and William Reed. In 1778 Captain Reed's District of?Rowan County, NC, Captain Samuel Reed, James Reed, Joseph Reed, Robert Reed, Robert Lucky, and Samuel Luckey all?owned taxable property. Linda Monticelli -----Original Message----- From: Pat Frunzi <patfrunzi@comcast.net> To: rowanroots-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:03 am Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson We now have a 36/37 DNA match for Thomas Hagans (who married Sarah Wilcoxson) and John Hagins/Higgins who died in Wilkes Co., NC. So now it's possible that John was the man on the 1778 tax list for the part of old Rowan Co. that became Davie Co. That list includes Thomas Hagan, John Hagins, Jno Hagins, and James Reed. I need help with the Reed and Luckey families. Here is what is in my notes: ******************* Robert Luckey owned land adjacent to a John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) in the Irish Settlement. Luckey's widow married James Reed 5 Nov 1774, and the bondsman was John Hagins. Robert Luckey and Mary Luckey Reed may have had a daughter Mary. A Mary Luckey, married a John Hagins 5 Nov 1779, bondsman John Hagin. ******************* John Haggens appears on an 1782 list of suspected Tories in Rowan/Davie Co. He next shows up in Wilkes Co., NC on the 1787 tax list as John Hagins. Over the next few years his name begins to appears as Higgins and that's the name his descendants use. Both John Hagins/Higgins from Wilkes Co. and Thomas Hagans were the right age to have been sons of John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) buried at Thyatira and his 1st unknown wife. He had daughters still living when he died who were born in the same time frame--Eleanor who married Thomas Dickey and Alsy who married William Cathey. Unfortunately, both Thomas Hagans and John Hagins/Higgins were dead by the time the elder John died at age 94 so were not in his will. I would really appreciate any clues you might have to close in on the Hagins/Luckey/Reed connection. Pat Hagan Frunzi Fallsington, PA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Thanks Linda, This is some great info. I'm related to the MERRILL'S from NJ and Capt. Benjamin MERRILL and wife Jemima Smith MERRILL, from the Jersey Settlement in Rowan/Davidson Co., NC. Would love to talk to others that are related. Do you know the parents of Jean Merrill that married Cornelius Smith, Jr. 4 June 1810 Rowan County, NC? Was she also a widow and was she a Merrill or something else before? Be Well Joe McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: <rlmlfm@aol.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] To Linda, Andrew SMITH, Peter SCHMIDT/SMITH Family > > I don’t really know too much about Winifred Bussell Adams or Cornelius > Smith and since I’m not directly related to the NJ Smith family, I know > even less about them. > > > > Winifred Bussell/Buffel/Beifle (have found many spelling variations) was > the daughter of Farnsed (or Farney) Valentine or Valentine Farnsed and > Elizabeth (?) Bussell/Buffel/Beifle. Farnsed Bussell was the son of Paulus > Buffel and Catharina Haan. > > Paulus and Catharina Buffel/Beifle were Palatines who arrived at > Philadelphia, PA on the ship “Robert and Alice”, of Dublin, Walter > Goodman, Master, from Rotterdam, but last from Dover in England on 11 > Sept. 1738. (Source: Strassburger’s “Pennsylvania German Pioneers”, pp > 213-216) > > > Winifred Bussell (b. ca. 1752 - d. after 1796) and John Adams (b. 1752 - > d. ca. 1781) were married 15 Aug. 1768 Rowan County, NC and they had seven > children, Elizabeth, William (my ancestor), Jacob, John, Sarah, James, and > Winney. > > > On 13 Oct. 1789, the widow Winifred (Bussell) Adams and Cornelius Smith, a > widower, were married in Rowan County, NC. Cornelius Smith, son of Andrew > and Anna Smith, was first married to Rachel Lynn on 26 Aug. 1768 Rowan > County, NC. > > > Cornelius and Winifred Smith had at least one child, Cornelius Smith, Jr., > born ca. 1790 Rowan County, NC. Cornelius Smith, Jr. married Jean Merrill > 4 June 1810 Rowan County, NC. > > Cornelius and Winifred Smith were members of the Jersey Baptist Church in > what was then Rowan County, now Davidson County. Cornelius was > excommunicated from the church because he drank too much and was abusive > to his wife Winney. > > > > There are others on this List who know much more about the NJ Smith's than > I do. > > Linda Monticelli > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Samuel Luckey and Ruth Cowan nee Luckey are all I really have Debra <html><div><P>Visit Knight,s Dad Gifts <BR>Gifts for the entire family.<BR>Wholesale Opportunites Exist Also!<BR><A href="http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com">http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com</A></P></div></html> > From: kcks39@yahoo.com > To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:02:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson > > My Dyer line was in Hardy County, VA, it later became WV. There were > several generations of John Dyers ... if this is your line let me know and > we can share info. The names you listed are ones that I don't know. > > Which Luckey line are you researching??? > > Karon > "Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the > answer". > ~ William S. Burroughs > > Dyer - Willson - Luckey - Scoville > > -----Original Message----- > From: rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Flanary > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:40 PM > To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson > > Which Dyer line are you researching? > I am descended from the Joel Wayne Dyer and Mary "Polly" Callihan Dyer > family. > Linda Church Flanary > BLEFLA@CHARTERTN.NET > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karon" <kcks39@yahoo.com> > To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson > > > I am also researching a Luckey Line in NC. They lived in Lancaster County > PA before moving to NC. Later part of them moved to IL. > > I am having trouble sorting out which Luckey/Luckie is related to my line or > maybe all were. Any and all information is welcome. > > Karon > "Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the > answer". > ~ William S. Burroughs > > Dyer - Willson - Luckey - Scoville > -----Original Message----- > From: rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debra Black > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:13 PM > To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson > > > Hi Pat Hagan Frunzi: > I was wondering if you had a Samuel Luckey in your line: right at this > minute I can not find any of my information on him except what is in "The > Empire Builders and a Harris Genealogy" book 1; written by Clarence A. > Harris in 1966..I don't have a complete book but a distant cousin sent me a > copy of the Genealogy.. > from the Genealogy : "Marriage Bond for John Harris and Ruth Cowen" > "We John Harris and Samual Luckey of Rowan County are held and firmly bound > unto Richard D. Straight Esq. Governor in the sum of five hundred pounds > currency of North Carolina but to be void on condition that there appears > hereafter no lawful cause to obstruct a marriage to be hadand celebrated > between the said John Harris and Ruth Cowan by virtue of a license bearing > equal date with these presents otherwise to remain in full force and virtue > according to law, witness our hands and seals this 30th day of July 1795". > Ruth Cowan is Samuel Luckey's daughter and she is a widow. > Thank you for your time > Debra Black nee Harris > > <html><div><P>Visit Knight,s Dad Gifts <BR>Gifts for the entire > family.<BR>Wholesale Opportunites Exist Also!<BR><A > href="http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com">http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com</A> > </P></div></html> > > > From: patfrunzi@comcast.net > > To: rowanroots-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:03:41 -0500 > > Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson > > > > We now have a 36/37 DNA match for Thomas Hagans (who married Sarah > Wilcoxson) and John Hagins/Higgins who died in Wilkes Co., NC. > > > > So now it's possible that John was the man on the 1778 tax list for the > part of old Rowan Co. that became Davie Co. That list includes Thomas Hagan, > John Hagins, Jno Hagins, and James Reed. > > > > I need help with the Reed and Luckey families. Here is what is in my > notes: > > ******************* > > Robert Luckey owned land adjacent to a John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) in > the Irish Settlement. Luckey's widow married James Reed 5 Nov 1774, and the > bondsman was John Hagins. Robert Luckey and Mary Luckey Reed may have had a > daughter Mary. A Mary Luckey, married a John Hagins 5 Nov 1779, bondsman > John Hagin. > > ******************* > > John Haggens appears on an 1782 list of suspected Tories in Rowan/Davie > Co. He next shows up in Wilkes Co., NC on the 1787 tax list as John Hagins. > Over the next few years his name begins to appears as Higgins and that's the > name his descendants use. > > > > Both John Hagins/Higgins from Wilkes Co. and Thomas Hagans were the right > age to have been sons of John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) buried at Thyatira > and his 1st unknown wife. He had daughters still living when he died who > were born in the same time frame--Eleanor who married Thomas Dickey and Alsy > who married William Cathey. > > > > Unfortunately, both Thomas Hagans and John Hagins/Higgins were dead by the > time the elder John died at age 94 so were not in his will. > > > > I would really appreciate any clues you might have to close in on the > Hagins/Luckey/Reed connection. > > > > Pat Hagan Frunzi > > Fallsington, PA > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. 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Which Dyer line are you researching? I am descended from the Joel Wayne Dyer and Mary "Polly" Callihan Dyer family. Linda Church Flanary BLEFLA@CHARTERTN.NET ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karon" <kcks39@yahoo.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson I am also researching a Luckey Line in NC. They lived in Lancaster County PA before moving to NC. Later part of them moved to IL. I am having trouble sorting out which Luckey/Luckie is related to my line or maybe all were. Any and all information is welcome. Karon "Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer". ~ William S. Burroughs Dyer - Willson - Luckey - Scoville -----Original Message----- From: rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debra Black Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:13 PM To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Hi Pat Hagan Frunzi: I was wondering if you had a Samuel Luckey in your line: right at this minute I can not find any of my information on him except what is in "The Empire Builders and a Harris Genealogy" book 1; written by Clarence A. Harris in 1966..I don't have a complete book but a distant cousin sent me a copy of the Genealogy.. from the Genealogy : "Marriage Bond for John Harris and Ruth Cowen" "We John Harris and Samual Luckey of Rowan County are held and firmly bound unto Richard D. Straight Esq. Governor in the sum of five hundred pounds currency of North Carolina but to be void on condition that there appears hereafter no lawful cause to obstruct a marriage to be hadand celebrated between the said John Harris and Ruth Cowan by virtue of a license bearing equal date with these presents otherwise to remain in full force and virtue according to law, witness our hands and seals this 30th day of July 1795". Ruth Cowan is Samuel Luckey's daughter and she is a widow. Thank you for your time Debra Black nee Harris <html><div><P>Visit Knight,s Dad Gifts <BR>Gifts for the entire family.<BR>Wholesale Opportunites Exist Also!<BR><A href="http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com">http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com</A> </P></div></html> > From: patfrunzi@comcast.net > To: rowanroots-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:03:41 -0500 > Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson > > We now have a 36/37 DNA match for Thomas Hagans (who married Sarah Wilcoxson) and John Hagins/Higgins who died in Wilkes Co., NC. > > So now it's possible that John was the man on the 1778 tax list for the part of old Rowan Co. that became Davie Co. That list includes Thomas Hagan, John Hagins, Jno Hagins, and James Reed. > > I need help with the Reed and Luckey families. Here is what is in my notes: > ******************* > Robert Luckey owned land adjacent to a John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) in the Irish Settlement. Luckey's widow married James Reed 5 Nov 1774, and the bondsman was John Hagins. Robert Luckey and Mary Luckey Reed may have had a daughter Mary. A Mary Luckey, married a John Hagins 5 Nov 1779, bondsman John Hagin. > ******************* > John Haggens appears on an 1782 list of suspected Tories in Rowan/Davie Co. He next shows up in Wilkes Co., NC on the 1787 tax list as John Hagins. Over the next few years his name begins to appears as Higgins and that's the name his descendants use. > > Both John Hagins/Higgins from Wilkes Co. and Thomas Hagans were the right age to have been sons of John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) buried at Thyatira and his 1st unknown wife. He had daughters still living when he died who were born in the same time frame--Eleanor who married Thomas Dickey and Alsy who married William Cathey. > > Unfortunately, both Thomas Hagans and John Hagins/Higgins were dead by the time the elder John died at age 94 so were not in his will. > > I would really appreciate any clues you might have to close in on the Hagins/Luckey/Reed connection. > > Pat Hagan Frunzi > Fallsington, PA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought it was strange that a wife was not mentioned in that bio. I remember there was a lot about her in but not much about his family, now that makes sense. Karon "Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer". ~ William S. Burroughs Dyer - Willson - Luckey - Scoville -----Original Message----- From: rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gdvedmonds@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:00 PM To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Hi Karon, Eleanor Luckey McGuire's son, James McGuire, was the only one to move to Jersey County, IL.? He never married.? Another son, David McGuire, moved to Madison County, TN with wife Fannie Hamm.? The rest of the children remained in NC.? Thanks for writing back :) ~Glinda -----Original Message----- From: Karon <kcks39@yahoo.com> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 7:50 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Wonderful... I know about the Eleanor Luckey who married James McGuire. I have always thought that they might have traveled to Jersey County together. There is a bio on the Jersey County site that mentioned her and it all fit. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wonderful... I know about the Eleanor Luckey who married James McGuire. I have always thought that they might have traveled to Jersey County together. There is a bio on the Jersey County site that mentioned her and it all fit. Karon "Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer". ~ William S. Burroughs Dyer - Willson - Luckey - Scoville -----Original Message----- From: rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:rowanroots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gdvedmonds@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:31 PM To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Hi, I have a Samuel Luckey born about 1733, PA and wife Mary.? Samuel Luckey and Mary had the following children, John, Anne, Mary Ann, Eleanor, and Samuel, Jr.? Samuel Sr. died in Rowan County, NC about 1802.? I descend from Eleanor Luckey who married James McGuire in Rowan County, NC.? Would love to be able to figure out all the Samuel Luckeys out there :)? I believe my Samuel Luckey, Sr.? might be the son of Robert Luckey and Isabella.? Would love to hear from you. ~Glinda -----Original Message----- From: Debra Black <craft1952@hotmail.com> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 5:13 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson Hi Pat Hagan Frunzi: I was wondering if you had a Samuel Luckey in your line: right at this minute I ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat Hagan Frunzi: I was wondering if you had a Samuel Luckey in your line: right at this minute I can not find any of my information on him except what is in "The Empire Builders and a Harris Genealogy" book 1; written by Clarence A. Harris in 1966..I don't have a complete book but a distant cousin sent me a copy of the Genealogy.. from the Genealogy : "Marriage Bond for John Harris and Ruth Cowen" "We John Harris and Samual Luckey of Rowan County are held and firmly bound unto Richard D. Straight Esq. Governor in the sum of five hundred pounds currency of North Carolina but to be void on condition that there appears hereafter no lawful cause to obstruct a marriage to be hadand celebrated between the said John Harris and Ruth Cowan by virtue of a license bearing equal date with these presents otherwise to remain in full force and virtue according to law, witness our hands and seals this 30th day of July 1795". Ruth Cowan is Samuel Luckey's daughter and she is a widow. Thank you for your time Debra Black nee Harris <html><div><P>Visit Knight,s Dad Gifts <BR>Gifts for the entire family.<BR>Wholesale Opportunites Exist Also!<BR><A href="http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com">http://www.giftsandhomedecor.com</A></P></div></html> > From: patfrunzi@comcast.net > To: rowanroots-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:03:41 -0500 > Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Reed, Luckey, Hagins, Dickey, Cathey, Wilcoxson > > We now have a 36/37 DNA match for Thomas Hagans (who married Sarah Wilcoxson) and John Hagins/Higgins who died in Wilkes Co., NC. > > So now it's possible that John was the man on the 1778 tax list for the part of old Rowan Co. that became Davie Co. That list includes Thomas Hagan, John Hagins, Jno Hagins, and James Reed. > > I need help with the Reed and Luckey families. Here is what is in my notes: > ******************* > Robert Luckey owned land adjacent to a John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) in the Irish Settlement. Luckey's widow married James Reed 5 Nov 1774, and the bondsman was John Hagins. Robert Luckey and Mary Luckey Reed may have had a daughter Mary. A Mary Luckey, married a John Hagins 5 Nov 1779, bondsman John Hagin. > ******************* > John Haggens appears on an 1782 list of suspected Tories in Rowan/Davie Co. He next shows up in Wilkes Co., NC on the 1787 tax list as John Hagins. Over the next few years his name begins to appears as Higgins and that's the name his descendants use. > > Both John Hagins/Higgins from Wilkes Co. and Thomas Hagans were the right age to have been sons of John Hagans/Hagins (1722-1816) buried at Thyatira and his 1st unknown wife. He had daughters still living when he died who were born in the same time frame--Eleanor who married Thomas Dickey and Alsy who married William Cathey. > > Unfortunately, both Thomas Hagans and John Hagins/Higgins were dead by the time the elder John died at age 94 so were not in his will. > > I would really appreciate any clues you might have to close in on the Hagins/Luckey/Reed connection. > > Pat Hagan Frunzi > Fallsington, PA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join