Sorry about the last reply I misread the date as 1778. But with the date as 1768 I'm still confused. Why did Tryon make this list 3 years before the battle? Be Well Joe McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve O'Neal" <steveoneal_66@yahoo.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] executions....list of 12 men excluded > Here it is, in case some missed it from earlier in the > week: > > In 1768, Governor Tryon, reacting to the outcome of a > trial of Regulators that he felt was a mockery of > justice, issued a proclomation of general pardon to > all the Regulators of that Spring except 12, whom he > considered as the Principal Leaders. These thirteen > were: > > James Hunter > Ninian Bell Hamilton > Peter Craven > Isaack Jackson > Hermon Husband > Matthew Hamilton > William Payne > Malichi Tyke > William Moffat > Christopher Nation > Solomon Goff > John O'Neal > > > --- AHamptonResearch@aol.com wrote: > >> Joe, I didn't save it, as the person I was looking >> for was not on there. >> Didn't Steve post it to the list? >> arlene >> >> >> >> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all >> time on AOL Music. >> > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >> 48) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > Steve O'Neal > steveoneal_66@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>1768 I'm still confused. Why did Tryon make this >list 3 years before the battle? I think that your confusion comes from the fact that the subject line wasn't changed, and the word "execution" should have been deleted. This list is not a list of 12 men excused from execution after the Battle of 1771, but a list of 12 men singled out in 1768 as leaders of the Regulators and excluded from the general pardon to the Regulators at that time. The Battle of Alamance in 1771 was just the culmination and end of the Regulator movement. Events had been leading up to it and the Regulators had been in existence for several years before then. The Regulators had agreed among to 1. pay no more taxes until we are satisfied that they are agreeable to law 2. pay no officer any more fees than the law allows. 3. attend all meetings 4. contribute money to defray expenses 5. submit to majority rule in meetings In 1768 the Regulators asked to meet with the Sheriff and other officials of Orange County and show them a list of taxables, a record of public disbursements, and a copy of the law setting fees. The problem was that local officials were charging excess amounts to line their own pockets. The officials refused to meet, and Edward FANNING who held numerous offices in the county denounced the Regulators for even questioning the integrity of public officials. A Regulator horse, saddle and bridle were taken for nonpayment of taxes. On 8 April 1768 about 60-70 Regulators led by William BUTLER, Peter CRAVEN and Ninian Bell HAMILTON [my ancestor] rode into Hillsboro where they rescued the horse, took over the court, and fired on the house of Edward FANNING. In retaliation, FANNINNG had BUTLER and Harmon HUSBAND jailed in Hillsboro on charges of inciting rebellion. On 1 May 1768 a rescue party was formed. A ballad at the time was: >From Hillsborough Town the first day of May Marched those murdering traitors They went to oppose the honest men That were called the Regulators [stanzas two and three missing] At length their head man they sent out To save their town from fire To see Ned Fanning wade Eno Brave boys you'll all admire. With hat in hand at our command To salute us everyone Sir And after that kept off his hat To salute old Hamilton Sir. But old Hamilton like an angry man He still craved satisfaction For taking of Husbands away to the town It was a most villainous action. FANNING and John GRAY, lieutenant of the militia convinced the Gov. to issue a proclamation against the "rioters" and call out the militia. That list of 12 was those who were not pardoned. Information on the HAMILTON family below. Rick Saunders http://home.netcom.com/~fzsaund/hamilton.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM

Help needed. I carry my uncle David Dettro as b 22 Oct 1790 Rowan Co, NC, BUT, I also show DEED: Jun 1803 Rowan Co deed 19/35 from Richard Leach to David TUTTEROW. Can anyone verify the deed?? Any witnesses??... I understand he must be 21 to take title to land in that era????? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net>

John Wilcox, Regulator & Outlaw In 1760, Thomas Hadley with a partner, John Wilcox, were the first merchants of Cross Creek in Cumberland Co., North Carolina. Hermon Husbands of Sandy Creek, Orange County, NC was reportedly related or connected with Benjamin Franklin. Husbands kept up a correspondence with Benjamin Franklin through John Wilcox, a merchant of Cross Creek, Cumberland County, NC who went to Philadelphia twice a year to buy goods. John Wilcox left Ivy Mills, PA and moved to North Carolina. John Wilcox opposed the tyranny of local Crown officials who levied unfair taxes on the citizens and he became a Regulator and to help him in his efforts for justice in the colonies, his friend Benjamin Franklin printed some of the pamphlets used to keep the people informed and stimulated toward the effort. John Wilcox died in 1793. Information from this last part was found at the following site and link: Missing Markers of History - Two Willcox Patriots http://www.pbase.com/jacksonville_ga/image/84097 Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Linda--do you have a date on the item on John Wilcox from the History of NC below? > I found the following?at Ancestry.com?in the "History of North Carolina, > Chapter LXIII, Randolph County" where it mentions Herman HUSBANDS and John > WILCOX. > > "Resolved, That the lands said to be the property of Herman Husbands, on > which there is pit-coal, hearthstone, &c., be purchased or otherwise > secured for the use of the public. > > "Resolved, That if John Wilcox and William England refuse to part with the > mortgaged premises, it will be necessary to make a new agreement with > them. > > "Resolved, If they will neither sell nor lease, that they be precluded > from using any ore or timber from the vacant land of the State adjacent."

As to a post by Kathryn Weiss buckeye@wildblue.net about John WILCOX: "I think the John Wilcox is Boone-related, but whether Sr or Jr I cannot say. What happened to Abraham Creason and John Wilcox? They were declared outlaws but were not listed among the pardoned, and were not executed." ********************************** I found the following?at Ancestry.com?in the "History of North Carolina, Chapter LXIII, Randolph County" where it mentions Herman HUSBANDS and John WILCOX. "Resolved, That the lands said to be the property of Herman Husbands, on which there is pit-coal, hearthstone, &c., be purchased or otherwise secured for the use of the public. "Resolved, That if John Wilcox and William England refuse to part with the mortgaged premises, it will be necessary to make a new agreement with them. "Resolved, If they will neither sell nor lease, that they be precluded from using any ore or timber from the vacant land of the State adjacent." *********************************** There was a marriage record for George Willcockson and Elizabeth Beam on 20 Oct. 1767 in Rowan County, NC where George BOONE and John WILCOCKSON were the bondsmen. Someone else mentioned that the Regulator and Outlaw John WILCOX mentioned in Kathryn's post?may have been the John WILCOXSON (WILCOCKSON?) of Rowan County. Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Dear Cousin Saunders, If you are descended from a Kemper of early Virginia, then you and I are distant cousins, no doubt. If you are interested in contributing material for the unrecognized Germanna colonists which you list in your recent message, will you correspond with Sgt. George, the webmaster of the Germanna colonies list? The rootsweb message board has not been too lively lately. I think I have sent some information today about various Germanna websites to a newly discovered cousin, who posted her queries on the Rowan Co. list. I don't know Sgt. George's immediate e-mail address, but he shows up frequently in the messages. The Kemper family of colonial Virginia [not Pennsylvania] are my ancestors, and they were part of the First Germanna Colony in 1714. They did not stay long with Gov. Spotswood, and he was forced to import others, from a different part of Germany, and they are called the Second Colony. As I understand from John Blankenbaker's notes which are on the webpage by Sgt. George, the Second Colony were from a different part of Germany and they had a different religion. Many of the Second Colony can be found later in Culpeper Co., VA and in Madison Co., VA records. The Kempers are found almost everywhere the Holtzclaws were located both in Virginia and in Kentucky. The immigrant Holtzclaw was a schoolteacher, as I learn, and he was the agent with the Virginia authorities for acquring land, etc. He was naturalized in Orange Co., VA, which was a huge county at the time. The Kempers bought land from the Holtzclaws, in Kentucky intermarried with them, and so on. After they got to Kentucky, however, my Kempers went every which way. My particular line went to Texas to fight in the Texas Revolution--which war attracted a lot of Tennesseans, of course. Siblings went to Missouri. I don't think this Virginia group of Germans is of much interest to people who have ancestors in Rowan Co., NC, but American are such mongrels [as English people say they are], who knows? I understand from some of the Germanna notes that one of the Moravian clergy visited the Germanna colonies from time to time. Frederick, Maryland was one of their [Moravian] headquarters, and there is frequent mention of that place in their journals, which have been translated by Adelaide Fries. I believe her compiled books were published by the North Carolina Historical Commission years ago. I believe they are no longer in print, more's the pity! E.W.Wallace One of the American mongrels **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Dear Subscribers, A new person to genealogy, named Tonnie, and I have exchanged notes for the past few days on the Rowan Co. NC list. I have given her some links to help her understand the history and genealogy of some of her colonial Virginia folks of German descent--those of Germanna Colonies in Northern Virginia beginning in 1714. I referred her to this website, which I have just now reviewed myself: _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/index.html_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/index.html) Although the thrust is mainly toward early German immigrants to colonial and later northern Virginia, there are some links which pertain to any American who has early German ancestry [and even us later immigrant descendants, say, from Baden about the time of the Civil War]. The red flashing arrows on the main web page will direct you to some historical facts which you should have in mind as you search your German ancestors in other colonies or states. Some genealogical lecturers state that as many as one-third of us Americans have some German ancestry!!! Please direct this info to others who you think may be interested. Here is an address for your bookmark area. the explanation about the Palatinate area is of particular interest: _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/index.html_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/index.html) E.W.Wallace **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Pat, It says, "From the journal of the Congress of Halifax, 1776, Dec. 23d, I find the following:--", so it must have been in 1776 that they were talking about. Linda Monticelli Pat Frunzi <patfrunzi@comcast.net> wrote: Linda--do you have a date on the item on John Wilcox from the History of NC below? > I found the following?at Ancestry.com?in the "History of North Carolina, > Chapter LXIII, Randolph County" where it mentions Herman HUSBANDS and John > WILCOX. > > "Resolved, That the lands said to be the property of Herman Husbands, on > which there is pit-coal, hearthstone, &c., be purchased or otherwise > secured for the use of the public. > > "Resolved, That if John Wilcox and William England refuse to part with the > mortgaged premises, it will be necessary to make a new agreement with > them. > > "Resolved, If they will neither sell nor lease, that they be precluded > from using any ore or timber from the vacant land of the State adjacent." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

With the talk of the 1714 Germanna Colony and the book by Holtzclaw, I am descended from BRUMBACK/BRUMBACH, FISCHBACH, KEMPER, HEIMBACH and their ancestry of ALMECHER, KLEIN, NEUSS, STEIN, SCHWEISSFURTH, METTEL, LIMPER, BRACHT, LOEWE, SCHEFFHEN, KEPPEL that the direct ancestry can be seen on my generation pages at: http://home.netcom.com/~fzsaund/0.html There are also separate pages for KLEIN, NEUSS, LOEWE, and SCHEFFHEN that list additional generations taken from the church records that were not covered by Holtzclaw. Rick Saunders No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM

Very interesting with the information you have given out. Been working on genealogy and still found this helpful. kayeMorrisonabram ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdanw@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:39 PM To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [changed subject] Helping One Another Michelle - We all stumble along in rootweb, most of whose subscribers are friendly and helpful. And we were all beginners at one time--even before the internet!!! We had to write letters to anyone whom we thought could help us. Some of us even traveled to distant states and counties to look at the records in the courthouses. Are you wanting to ask about your ancestors, some of whom must have lived in Rowan Co., which was a huge county at its beginning? If so, post a query, but include not only the surname, but the DATES [most people leave these out. [ When you leave out dates, I and others don't know whether you are asking about someone living in the 21st century or in the 18th century]. We presume that the person(s) must have lived in Rowan Co. or else you would be on another list. Maybe you should go to rootsweb.com for some beginning lessons. But, since rootsweb was purchased a few years ago by Ancestry.com, I believe you will be directed to Ancestry's learning center. I don't keep up with all the changes in Ancestry, but from time to time, that database has been helpful to me. Do you belong to a genealogy society, Michelle? If not, I highly recommend that you do so because the members will help you a good deal. Many societies have monthly meetings with skilled [we hope] speakers who will help you learn your way around. You must have done some research to lead you to the Rowan Co. website. I frequently get good responses when I post a paragraph or two from a book or a film where my ancestor is featured. Then I ask, something to this effect: 1. Can anyone identify this person? 2. Can anyone lead me to some good sources? 3. Any other question you think appropriate? A lot of people *lurk* and read the messages for a few weeks and get the hang of it. I'll admit a lot of messages are not worth the time of day. I look at the subject, and if I think I don't know anything about the subject--or don't want to know--then I delete it. However, if you are just getting your feet wet with rootsweb, stick around for a while. I hope this is helpful. Go to your public library and ask the reference librarian [the one generally at a desk with a computer] and ask him/her, Do you have any reference books on genealogy? Do you have any family histories? Can I check out any of these books? Do you have Ancestry.com or HeritageQuest on your computers? Get some help from your local librarian. Best of luck. E-mail me privately for further questions. We all begin--every time we discover a new ancestor, and the wife of a very distant cousin, far from where I live, e-mailed me the other day with a NEW ancestor, who apparently came to North Carolina from Pennsylvania. So, now I have to begin again!!! E.W.Wallace **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Tonnie, (and interested others) Since you threw in the name Kemper, you and I must be distant cousins. You need to do these two things (at least two) Since you are descended from Germanna colonists [unfortunately, you left out dates], you MUST access these internet places. The first ones are rootsweb sites. 1. Subscribe to Germanna colonies at _GERMANNA_COLONIES-D-request@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:GERMANNA_COLONIES-D-request@rootsweb.com) (remove the punctuation fore and aft before pasting into your address blanks. This is the Digest mode--several messages at once) 2. Search the archives at _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/searchthesenotes.html_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/searchthesenotes.html) Again remove the punctuation marks fore and aft [which rootsweb enters--not me] 3. Visit this website and go to the list of publications. You probably should order some of these. _http://www.germanna.org/_ (http://www.germanna.org/) This organization, in the past, has made trips to Germany, and reports are they have a wonderful time!!! 4. Confer with your local public librarian. Ask whether that library--or one in an adjoining county--subscribes to HeritageQuest, an online database which many public libraries subscribe to. If you are lucky, be sure to get a card with a number on it--the number is your password to HeritageQuest. Most of the time, you can access HQ at a remote computer (such as your home). (If your library does not subscribe, ask where a nearby one might be which does subscribe. You may have to pay a fee to a *foreign* library.) Ask whether your State Library subscribes. My correspondents in Texas and North Carolina tell me their State library subscribes and holders of cards in those states, with some procedures, can access HQ. If you can access HQ, do a Book search for this author: B. C. Holtzclaw He was a PhD, understood a good deal of German, and compiled a number of books on various families in the Germanna Colony, particularly the First colony. Also look in HQ for the Kemper family genealogy and genealogies of other Germanna families. B.C. Holtzclaw, of course, compiled one for his surname!!! Also, on HQ check censuses and Revolutionary War pensions which are on HeritageQuest for surnames in your lineage. I hope this encourages you to learn more about your families--and next time, put in some dates!!!! Please. E.W.Wallace a Kemper descendant - and related to others by marriage, of course!!! **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Michelle - We all stumble along in rootweb, most of whose subscribers are friendly and helpful. And we were all beginners at one time--even before the internet!!! We had to write letters to anyone whom we thought could help us. Some of us even traveled to distant states and counties to look at the records in the courthouses. Are you wanting to ask about your ancestors, some of whom must have lived in Rowan Co., which was a huge county at its beginning? If so, post a query, but include not only the surname, but the DATES [most people leave these out. [ When you leave out dates, I and others don't know whether you are asking about someone living in the 21st century or in the 18th century]. We presume that the person(s) must have lived in Rowan Co. or else you would be on another list. Maybe you should go to rootsweb.com for some beginning lessons. But, since rootsweb was purchased a few years ago by Ancestry.com, I believe you will be directed to Ancestry's learning center. I don't keep up with all the changes in Ancestry, but from time to time, that database has been helpful to me. Do you belong to a genealogy society, Michelle? If not, I highly recommend that you do so because the members will help you a good deal. Many societies have monthly meetings with skilled [we hope] speakers who will help you learn your way around. You must have done some research to lead you to the Rowan Co. website. I frequently get good responses when I post a paragraph or two from a book or a film where my ancestor is featured. Then I ask, something to this effect: 1. Can anyone identify this person? 2. Can anyone lead me to some good sources? 3. Any other question you think appropriate? A lot of people *lurk* and read the messages for a few weeks and get the hang of it. I'll admit a lot of messages are not worth the time of day. I look at the subject, and if I think I don't know anything about the subject--or don't want to know--then I delete it. However, if you are just getting your feet wet with rootsweb, stick around for a while. I hope this is helpful. Go to your public library and ask the reference librarian [the one generally at a desk with a computer] and ask him/her, Do you have any reference books on genealogy? Do you have any family histories? Can I check out any of these books? Do you have Ancestry.com or HeritageQuest on your computers? Get some help from your local librarian. Best of luck. E-mail me privately for further questions. We all begin--every time we discover a new ancestor, and the wife of a very distant cousin, far from where I live, e-mailed me the other day with a NEW ancestor, who apparently came to North Carolina from Pennsylvania. So, now I have to begin again!!! E.W.Wallace **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Thank you. Actually I was corresponding with a researcher from Rowan County that was going to do some research for me.My email went down and I lost the address. So I am hoping that she will read this and write back to me or someone else that does professional North Carolina research will respond. I have enough work in the area to keep someone busy for a long time. Thanks so much, Michelle Hill-Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdanw@aol.com<mailto:Hdanw@aol.com> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com<mailto:rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] [changed subject] Helping One Another Michelle - We all stumble along in rootweb, most of whose subscribers are friendly and helpful. And we were all beginners at one time--even before the internet!!! We had to write letters to anyone whom we thought could help us. Some of us even traveled to distant states and counties to look at the records in the courthouses. Are you wanting to ask about your ancestors, some of whom must have lived in Rowan Co., which was a huge county at its beginning? If so, post a query, but include not only the surname, but the DATES [most people leave these out. [ When you leave out dates, I and others don't know whether you are asking about someone living in the 21st century or in the 18th century]. We presume that the person(s) must have lived in Rowan Co. or else you would be on another list. Maybe you should go to rootsweb.com for some beginning lessons. But, since rootsweb was purchased a few years ago by Ancestry.com, I believe you will be directed to Ancestry's learning center. I don't keep up with all the changes in Ancestry, but from time to time, that database has been helpful to me. Do you belong to a genealogy society, Michelle? If not, I highly recommend that you do so because the members will help you a good deal. Many societies have monthly meetings with skilled [we hope] speakers who will help you learn your way around. You must have done some research to lead you to the Rowan Co. website. I frequently get good responses when I post a paragraph or two from a book or a film where my ancestor is featured. Then I ask, something to this effect: 1. Can anyone identify this person? 2. Can anyone lead me to some good sources? 3. Any other question you think appropriate? A lot of people *lurk* and read the messages for a few weeks and get the hang of it. I'll admit a lot of messages are not worth the time of day. I look at the subject, and if I think I don't know anything about the subject--or don't want to know--then I delete it. However, if you are just getting your feet wet with rootsweb, stick around for a while. I hope this is helpful. Go to your public library and ask the reference librarian [the one generally at a desk with a computer] and ask him/her, Do you have any reference books on genealogy? Do you have any family histories? Can I check out any of these books? Do you have Ancestry.com or HeritageQuest on your computers? Get some help from your local librarian. Best of luck. E-mail me privately for further questions. We all begin--every time we discover a new ancestor, and the wife of a very distant cousin, far from where I live, e-mailed me the other day with a NEW ancestor, who apparently came to North Carolina from Pennsylvania. So, now I have to begin again!!! E.W.Wallace **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025<http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025> 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much, after a quck search, I have found the following : " Nr. 80: A few notes ago, there was a mention of how some of the Second Germanna Colony members were related. Earlier, a tentative list of the First Colony members was given. There were several relationships in the group which were not mentioned at the time. A few of these relationships, not an exhaustive list, will be given. Melchoir Brombach (Brumback) was the son of Johannes Brombach of Müsen and Anna Margarete Kemper who was an aunt of John Kemper, another 1714 immigrant. So Melchoir and John Kemper were cousins. Melchoir probably married Maria Elisabeth Fischbach, see below. Phillip Fischbach (Fishback) was married to Elizabeth (Elsbeth) Heimbach. Their daughter, Anna Elisabeth, married Hans Jacob Richter (Rector) and all of these people moved to Virginia in 1714. Another daughter of Phillip and Elizabeth was Maria Elizabeth who probably married Melchoir Brumback above. The sons John and Harmon Fishback were bachelors when they came. The daughter Maria Elisabeth (duplicated name) probably married John Spilman in Virginia. Hans Jacob Holzklau (Jacob Holtzclaw and other spellings) married Anna Margaretha Otterbach, daughter of the immigrants Hermann Otterbach and Elisabeth Heimbach. Johannes Kemper was a bachelor but related to Melchoir Brombach, above. Jost Kuntze (Joseph Cuntze, Coons) was the son of Johannes Kuntze and Elisabeth Schuster, see mention of Schusters below. This note is being written on the unproven assumption that the Johann Hermann Otterbach family is the "missing" First Colony family. He married Elisabeth Heimbach, daughter of Phillip Heimbach and Maria Catharina Fischbach. Hermann's daughter, Anna Margaret, married Hans Jacob Holzklau. In Virginia, several of the other daughters married men of the First Colony. Later immigrant Henry Huffman was married to Elizabeth Catherina Schuster so that Henry Huffman and his wife were both related to people in Virginia. [A personal comment from the author: Though I have no ancestors in the First Colony, I am descended from Henry Huffman and Elizabeth Catherina Schuster. As a result I am related to several of the First Colony families, including the Huffmans, Spilmans, Crims (a later family) and the Coons, all a result of relationships from Germany.] While some of the families in the First Colony seem to be unrelated to the other families, the general rule was that many members of the group were related, in some cases quite closely. This is not unusual fact; it is repeated over and over in the immigration patterns to America. It holds true within the First and Second Germanna Colonies. It also holds true that many of the later comers were related to the ones already here. Because the Otterbach family appears to have had a relative in the group and because they disappear from the church records in Germany after 1713, it is logical that they are the missing family. No guarantees are made about the information above. Perhaps others can correct or add to the data. " And the only other lead I have is an unsourced research note entered by my Uncle, (before his death) : *Johannes Kuntze and his 4 sons Jost, Tillman, Christian, and Johannes, Jr. belonged to the Steelsmiths and Toolmakers Guild. After 1711 Jost's name does not appear in the workbook of the Guild, for he left Germany to emigrate to Va. in the U S A. My line does not descend from Jost, but from Johannes, Jr. married to Anna Gertrude Steiger, the family tree says Johannes Jr, born 1671 died 11 Feb 1714 Niederndorf, Germany. His son Joseph Kuntze/Coons b. 24 Apr 1712 Niederndorf (near Seigen) Germany died 1794 in Culpepper, VA. ( another note from Uncle states his real name is Johann Jost Kuntze ) He married Elizabeth Unknown and had 9 children with her, one of which is my ancestor Jacob Coons, born 1740 in VA, died 1804 in Montgomery, KY. He married Elizabeth Hanback , dtr of Johan Jacob Hanback (Heimbach) and Maria Gertrude Jung (Mary Gertrude Young), both from Germany to Virginia.. So now what do you suggest ? I do not quite understand the above passage copied from the link you supplied, and it's meanings... I guess I do not know what I am loking for? Please contact me at tonniec@alltel.net if you have further guidance or suggestions to help. And let me thank you SOOO much for your help, it is GREATLY appreciated. I have no family living that can help me find the "sources" from the notes left behind, by previous family researchers, and I feel like I need to document those sources as best I can, for the future generations. How do you suggest I cite this source into my tree? Tonnie Coker Cates ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Using the Palatine Project > For the newbie searching for the surname Coons [and variant spellings] in > North Carolina, I suggest you try to identify your German ancestors on > this > website. > > _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html_ > (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html) > > This has a good deal of information about 1714 German immigrants to > Virginia > [from Nassau-Siegen] who were supposed to work in the iron mines in > Virginia > controlled by Gov. Spotswood. > > They may not be the same group of Coons families, as other families with > similar surnames to those in Germanna came over later, it turns out, > mainly to > Pennsylvania, but also to other parts of Virginia. > > There were at least two Germanna colonies, and some say a third, and a > good > deal has been written about these *imported* Germans, who had first been > stranded in England. > > On the Palatine Project URL, you might look for the words Germanna, > pertaining to all these colonies. Each has a different history, but in > the main, > there are good records. > > If you find your folks were indeed in one of the Germanna colonies, then > subscribe to that rootsweb list. Write me for more instructions if you > are up a > tree and don't know how to proceed. (Begin with what you know and then > move > backwards in time--so that you don't hook up with the wrong relatives. A > waste of time!!!) > > E.W.Wallace > been there -- done that > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Michelle - Now I understand - You have subscribed to a rootsweb list for Rowan Co., NC. Right? You want to find out about the German surname Coons. Right? What I am telling you is that one of the earliest references to that surname - Coons, whish is spelled many different ways, is to subscribe to the Germanna list or, better,go to the website compiled over the years by John Blankenbaker. Now--I forgot to tell you about a trick which rootsweb uses to prevent spam, hacking, etc. When a URL is given, rootsweb puts either dashes or parentheses around the URL [the name for the website] So, in the message which you received, you have to remove the parens or the dashes, copy that URL, and paste it in your search blank. So--here is the URL with some *extras* at the beginning and at the end: Remove those--they are like the paper on a band-aid. Remove those, copy the http and copy the ending html (Remove the extra stuff) _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html) I hope you can get to that website. There is a LOT I don't yet know about computers, and I have been using some version of a computer for decades, but a lot of stuff I don't understand. (Like an auto--who knows all that stuff under the hood?. That doesn't keep me from driving.) If still questions, address me personally. E.W.Wallace (hdanw@aol.com) **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

For the newbie searching for the surname Coons [and variant spellings] in North Carolina, I suggest you try to identify your German ancestors on this website. _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html) This has a good deal of information about 1714 German immigrants to Virginia [from Nassau-Siegen] who were supposed to work in the iron mines in Virginia controlled by Gov. Spotswood. They may not be the same group of Coons families, as other families with similar surnames to those in Germanna came over later, it turns out, mainly to Pennsylvania, but also to other parts of Virginia. There were at least two Germanna colonies, and some say a third, and a good deal has been written about these *imported* Germans, who had first been stranded in England. On the Palatine Project URL, you might look for the words Germanna, pertaining to all these colonies. Each has a different history, but in the main, there are good records. If you find your folks were indeed in one of the Germanna colonies, then subscribe to that rootsweb list. Write me for more instructions if you are up a tree and don't know how to proceed. (Begin with what you know and then move backwards in time--so that you don't hook up with the wrong relatives. A waste of time!!!) E.W.Wallace been there -- done that **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Yes I get the list. I see the questions. I don't know how to jump in and ask a new question about a new subject. Thanks, Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdanw@aol.com<mailto:Hdanw@aol.com> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com<mailto:rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Using the Palatine Project Michelle - Now I understand - You have subscribed to a rootsweb list for Rowan Co., NC. Right? You want to find out about the German surname Coons. Right? What I am telling you is that one of the earliest references to that surname - Coons, whish is spelled many different ways, is to subscribe to the Germanna list or, better,go to the website compiled over the years by John Blankenbaker. Now--I forgot to tell you about a trick which rootsweb uses to prevent spam, hacking, etc. When a URL is given, rootsweb puts either dashes or parentheses around the URL [the name for the website] So, in the message which you received, you have to remove the parens or the dashes, copy that URL, and paste it in your search blank. So--here is the URL with some *extras* at the beginning and at the end: Remove those--they are like the paper on a band-aid. Remove those, copy the http and copy the ending html (Remove the extra stuff) _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html<http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html>) I hope you can get to that website. There is a LOT I don't yet know about computers, and I have been using some version of a computer for decades, but a lot of stuff I don't understand. (Like an auto--who knows all that stuff under the hood?. That doesn't keep me from driving.) If still questions, address me personally. E.W.Wallace (hdanw@aol.com<mailto:hdanw@aol.com>) **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025<http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025> 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was trying to say how do I do that. Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Hill-Jack<mailto:mhilljack@msn.com> To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com<mailto:rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Using the Palatine Project I apologize for not knowing how to get on this list to start with a new question. My question doesn't have to do with this subject. Thanks, Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdanw@aol.com<mailto:Hdanw@aol.com<mailto:Hdanw@aol.com%3Cmailto:Hdanw@aol.com>> To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Using the Palatine Project For the newbie searching for the surname Coons [and variant spellings] in North Carolina, I suggest you try to identify your German ancestors on this website. _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html<http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html<http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html%3Chttp://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html>>) This has a good deal of information about 1714 German immigrants to Virginia [from Nassau-Siegen] who were supposed to work in the iron mines in Virginia controlled by Gov. Spotswood. They may not be the same group of Coons families, as other families with similar surnames to those in Germanna came over later, it turns out, mainly to Pennsylvania, but also to other parts of Virginia. There were at least two Germanna colonies, and some say a third, and a good deal has been written about these *imported* Germans, who had first been stranded in England. On the Palatine Project URL, you might look for the words Germanna, pertaining to all these colonies. Each has a different history, but in the main, there are good records. If you find your folks were indeed in one of the Germanna colonies, then subscribe to that rootsweb list. Write me for more instructions if you are up a tree and don't know how to proceed. (Begin with what you know and then move backwards in time--so that you don't hook up with the wrong relatives. A waste of time!!!) E.W.Wallace been there -- done that **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025<http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025<http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025<http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025>> 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:ROWANROOTS-request@rootswebcom>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I apologize for not knowing how to get on this list to start with a new question. My question doesn't have to do with this subject. Thanks, Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: Hdanw@aol.com<mailto:Hdanw@aol.com> To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:26 PM Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Using the Palatine Project For the newbie searching for the surname Coons [and variant spellings] in North Carolina, I suggest you try to identify your German ancestors on this website. _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html<http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html>) This has a good deal of information about 1714 German immigrants to Virginia [from Nassau-Siegen] who were supposed to work in the iron mines in Virginia controlled by Gov. Spotswood. They may not be the same group of Coons families, as other families with similar surnames to those in Germanna came over later, it turns out, mainly to Pennsylvania, but also to other parts of Virginia. There were at least two Germanna colonies, and some say a third, and a good deal has been written about these *imported* Germans, who had first been stranded in England. On the Palatine Project URL, you might look for the words Germanna, pertaining to all these colonies. Each has a different history, but in the main, there are good records. If you find your folks were indeed in one of the Germanna colonies, then subscribe to that rootsweb list. Write me for more instructions if you are up a tree and don't know how to proceed. (Begin with what you know and then move backwards in time--so that you don't hook up with the wrong relatives. A waste of time!!!) E.W.Wallace been there -- done that **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025<http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025> 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message