Hal, They would be 10 or older. How much older, there is no way to tell without more info. james w On Feb 11, 2008 3:58 PM, Hal McCawley <halmac@cox.net> wrote: > Could anyone help place probable ages for these children? > > CONFIRMATION: "On September 29th, 1811 those confirmed to Holy Communion > were: 13 names including David Dothero and Elisabeth Dothero." Records of > Heidelberg Evangelical Lutheran (Old Dutchmans Creek) Church located on the > east side of Dutchmans Creek in what is now Davie Co, NC. [per < > WmTempCo@aol.com> 30 Apr 2000] > HEIDELBURG LUTHERAN CHURCH CEMTERY, [ OLD DUTCH MEETING HOUSE] is located > Hwy. # 64 East to Cornatzer Rd. on left. Travel about 1 mile and has only 10 > readable stones with only B & C surnames listed in Davie County Cemetery > Books. [per Doris Honeycutt <djhoneycutt13@msn.com> 9/3/03] > > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 < > HalMac@Cox.net> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hal McCawley > To: Rowan-L ; NC-Iredell-L ; NCDAVIE-L ; bkluttz@mindspring.com > Cc: Landers, Lois > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:21 PM > Subject: Fw: Rowan County Deed > > > Need opines or legal opinions re age requirements for minors to take > title in their name alone to land in 1803 Rowan Co, NC. > The age of this buyer David DOTHERO will help determine which David he is > and ages possible for him. > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 < > HalMac@Cox.net> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Kluttz" <bkluttz@mindspring.com> > To: <HalMac@Cox.net> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:29 AM > Subject: Rowan County Deed > > > > Help needed. I carry my uncle David Dettro as b 22 Oct 1790 Rowan Co, > NC, BUT, I also show > > DEED: Jun 1803 Rowan Co deed 19/35 from Richard Leach to David > TUTTEROW. > > Can anyone verify the deed?? Any witnesses??... > > ................ > > I have published the Rowan County deeds up to 1840. > > > > The deed is on 19/36. 8 Jun 1803. Richard Leach to David Tutterrow. For > 50 acres for 75 pounds on Bear Crk adj this grantee and James McGuire. Wit > Harman Husbands. Prvd by Husbands at Aug Ct 1804. > > ................. > > I understand he must be 21 to take title to land in that era????? > > ................... > > Not sure about that. > > .................... > > > > James W. Kluttz > > Cary, NC > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: > 2/11/2008 8:16 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Having been raised Lutheran, of course... I was confirmed at what is usually referred to as the 'age of accountability."? I was in Jr. High School and had to spend TWO YEARS, every Saturday morning, except for summers, in "Catechism Class" with Pastor.? I was probably 13 when I was confirmed. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Hal McCawley <halmac@cox.net> To: Rowan-L <RowanRoots-L@rootsweb.com>; NC-Iredell-L <nc-IREDELL-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>; NCDAVIE-L <NCDAVIE-L@rootsweb.com>; bkluttz@mindspring.com Cc: djhoneycutt13@msn.com; WmTempCo@aol.com; Landers, Lois <mtnwoman@getgoin.net> Sent: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 3:58 pm Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Age requirement for Luth Ch confirmation to Holy Communion in 1811Rowan Co, NC Could anyone help place probable ages for these children? CONFIRMATION: "On September 29th, 1811 those confirmed to Holy Communion were: 13 names including David Dothero and Elisabeth Dothero." Records of Heidelberg Evangelical Lutheran (Old Dutchmans Creek) Church located on the east side of Dutchmans Creek in what is now Davie Co, NC. [per <WmTempCo@aol.com> 30 Apr 2000] HEIDELBURG LUTHERAN CHURCH CEMTERY, [ OLD DUTCH MEETING HOUSE] is located Hwy. # 64 East to Cornatzer Rd. on left. Travel about 1 mile and has only 10 readable stones with only B & C surnames listed in Davie County Cemetery Books. [per Doris Honeycutt <djhoneycutt13@msn.com> 9/3/03] Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: Hal McCawley To: Rowan-L ; NC-Iredell-L ; NCDAVIE-L ; bkluttz@mindspring.com Cc: Landers, Lois Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Fw: Rowan County Deed Need opines or legal opinions re age requirements for minors to take title in their name alone to land in 1803 Rowan Co, NC. The age of this buyer David DOTHERO will help determine which David he is and ages possible for him. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Kluttz" <bkluttz@mindspring.com> To: <HalMac@Cox.net> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Rowan County Deed > Help needed. I carry my uncle David Dettro as b 22 Oct 1790 Rowan Co, NC, BUT, I also show > DEED: Jun 1803 Rowan Co deed 19/35 from Richard Leach to David TUTTEROW. > Can anyone verify the deed?? Any witnesses??... > ................ > I have published the Rowan County deeds up to 1840. > > The deed is on 19/36. 8 Jun 1803. Richard Leach to David Tutterrow. For 50 acres for 75 pounds on Bear Crk adj this grantee and James McGuire. Wit Harman Husbands. Prvd by Husbands at Aug Ct 1804. > ................. > I understand he must be 21 to take title to land in that era????? > ................... > Not sure about that. > .................... > > James W. Kluttz > Cary, NC > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 8:16 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com

Thanks James for responding. So, without more info, they could have been from 10 to 90 yrs+ old? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Weaks" <jweaks@gmail.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Age requirement for Luth Ch confirmation to HolyCommunion in 1811Rowan Co, NC > Hal, > > They would be 10 or older. How much older, there is no way to tell > without > more info. > > james w > > > On Feb 11, 2008 3:58 PM, Hal McCawley <halmac@cox.net> wrote: > >> Could anyone help place probable ages for these children? >> >> CONFIRMATION: "On September 29th, 1811 those confirmed to Holy Communion >> were: 13 names including David Dothero and Elisabeth Dothero." Records >> of >> Heidelberg Evangelical Lutheran (Old Dutchmans Creek) Church located on >> the >> east side of Dutchmans Creek in what is now Davie Co, NC. [per < >> WmTempCo@aol.com> 30 Apr 2000] >> HEIDELBURG LUTHERAN CHURCH CEMTERY, [ OLD DUTCH MEETING HOUSE] is >> located >> Hwy. # 64 East to Cornatzer Rd. on left. Travel about 1 mile and has only >> 10 >> readable stones with only B & C surnames listed in Davie County Cemetery >> Books. [per Doris Honeycutt <djhoneycutt13@msn.com> 9/3/03] >> >> Best, >> Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 < >> HalMac@Cox.net> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Hal McCawley >> To: Rowan-L ; NC-Iredell-L ; NCDAVIE-L ; bkluttz@mindspring.com >> Cc: Landers, Lois >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:21 PM >> Subject: Fw: Rowan County Deed >> >> >> Need opines or legal opinions re age requirements for minors to take >> title in their name alone to land in 1803 Rowan Co, NC. >> The age of this buyer David DOTHERO will help determine which David he >> is >> and ages possible for him. >> Best, >> Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 < >> HalMac@Cox.net> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James Kluttz" <bkluttz@mindspring.com> >> To: <HalMac@Cox.net> >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:29 AM >> Subject: Rowan County Deed >> >> >> > Help needed. I carry my uncle David Dettro as b 22 Oct 1790 Rowan Co, >> NC, BUT, I also show >> > DEED: Jun 1803 Rowan Co deed 19/35 from Richard Leach to David >> TUTTEROW. >> > Can anyone verify the deed?? Any witnesses??... >> > ................ >> > I have published the Rowan County deeds up to 1840. >> > >> > The deed is on 19/36. 8 Jun 1803. Richard Leach to David Tutterrow. >> For >> 50 acres for 75 pounds on Bear Crk adj this grantee and James McGuire. >> Wit >> Harman Husbands. Prvd by Husbands at Aug Ct 1804. >> > ................. >> > I understand he must be 21 to take title to land in that era????? >> > ................... >> > Not sure about that. >> > .................... >> > >> > James W. Kluttz >> > Cary, NC >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: >> 2/11/2008 8:16 AM >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 > 8:16 AM > >

Thanks Jan for responding. That is what I have understood for children [Not having been raised Lutheran, of course...], but I am not clear about adults or converts?? Were there adults in your "Catechism Class" or was everyone close to your age? Did adults have a separate class? Would adults also have been required to attend class or just be confirmed or?? That is critical to this situation as I need to establish perimeters for their ages, which may separate them from other Davids and Elizabeths and also may determine which of my gf Balzer DOTTRO's wives was their mother!. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: <janrobison2@aim.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] Age requirement for Luth Ch confirmation to Holy Communion in 1811Rowan Co, NC > > Having been raised Lutheran, of course... > > I was confirmed at what is usually referred to as the 'age of > accountability."? I was in Jr. High School and had to spend TWO YEARS, > every Saturday morning, except for summers, in "Catechism Class" with > Pastor.? I was probably 13 when I was confirmed. > > Jan >> -----Original Message----- > From: Hal McCawley <halmac@cox.net> > To: Rowan-L <RowanRoots-L@rootsweb.com>; NC-Iredell-L > <nc-IREDELL-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>; NCDAVIE-L <NCDAVIE-L@rootsweb.com>; > bkluttz@mindspring.com > Cc: djhoneycutt13@msn.com; WmTempCo@aol.com; Landers, Lois > <mtnwoman@getgoin.net> > Sent: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 3:58 pm > Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Age requirement for Luth Ch confirmation to Holy > Communion in 1811Rowan Co, NC > > Could anyone help place probable ages for these children? > > CONFIRMATION: "On September 29th, 1811 those confirmed to Holy Communion > were: > 13 names including David Dothero and Elisabeth Dothero." Records of > Heidelberg > Evangelical Lutheran (Old Dutchmans Creek) Church located on the east side > of > Dutchmans Creek in what is now Davie Co, NC. [per <WmTempCo@aol.com> 30 > Apr > 2000] > HEIDELBURG LUTHERAN CHURCH CEMTERY, [ OLD DUTCH MEETING HOUSE] is located > Hwy. > # 64 East to Cornatzer Rd. on left. Travel about 1 mile and has only 10 > readable > stones with only B & C surnames listed in Davie County Cemetery Books. > [per > Doris Honeycutt <djhoneycutt13@msn.com> 9/3/03] > > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 > <HalMac@Cox.net> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hal McCawley > To: Rowan-L ; NC-Iredell-L ; NCDAVIE-L ; bkluttz@mindspring.com > Cc: Landers, Lois > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:21 PM > Subject: Fw: Rowan County Deed > > > Need opines or legal opinions re age requirements for minors to take > title in > their name alone to land in 1803 Rowan Co, NC. > The age of this buyer David DOTHERO will help determine which David he is > and > ages possible for him. > Best, > Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 > <HalMac@Cox.net> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Kluttz" <bkluttz@mindspring.com> > To: <HalMac@Cox.net> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:29 AM > Subject: Rowan County Deed > > > > Help needed. I carry my uncle David Dettro as b 22 Oct 1790 Rowan Co, > NC, > BUT, I also show > > DEED: Jun 1803 Rowan Co deed 19/35 from Richard Leach to David > TUTTEROW. > > Can anyone verify the deed?? Any witnesses??... > > ................ > > I have published the Rowan County deeds up to 1840. > > > > The deed is on 19/36. 8 Jun 1803. Richard Leach to David Tutterrow. For > 50 > acres for 75 pounds on Bear Crk adj this grantee and James McGuire. Wit > Harman > Husbands. Prvd by Husbands at Aug Ct 1804. > > ................. > > I understand he must be 21 to take title to land in that era????? > > ................... > > Not sure about that. > > .................... > > > > James W. Kluttz > > Cary, NC > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: > 2/11/2008 > 8:16 AM > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - > http://webmail.aim.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 > 8:16 AM > >

Could anyone help place probable ages for these children? CONFIRMATION: "On September 29th, 1811 those confirmed to Holy Communion were: 13 names including David Dothero and Elisabeth Dothero." Records of Heidelberg Evangelical Lutheran (Old Dutchmans Creek) Church located on the east side of Dutchmans Creek in what is now Davie Co, NC. [per <WmTempCo@aol.com> 30 Apr 2000] HEIDELBURG LUTHERAN CHURCH CEMTERY, [ OLD DUTCH MEETING HOUSE] is located Hwy. # 64 East to Cornatzer Rd. on left. Travel about 1 mile and has only 10 readable stones with only B & C surnames listed in Davie County Cemetery Books. [per Doris Honeycutt <djhoneycutt13@msn.com> 9/3/03] Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: Hal McCawley To: Rowan-L ; NC-Iredell-L ; NCDAVIE-L ; bkluttz@mindspring.com Cc: Landers, Lois Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Fw: Rowan County Deed Need opines or legal opinions re age requirements for minors to take title in their name alone to land in 1803 Rowan Co, NC. The age of this buyer David DOTHERO will help determine which David he is and ages possible for him. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Kluttz" <bkluttz@mindspring.com> To: <HalMac@Cox.net> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Rowan County Deed > Help needed. I carry my uncle David Dettro as b 22 Oct 1790 Rowan Co, NC, BUT, I also show > DEED: Jun 1803 Rowan Co deed 19/35 from Richard Leach to David TUTTEROW. > Can anyone verify the deed?? Any witnesses??... > ................ > I have published the Rowan County deeds up to 1840. > > The deed is on 19/36. 8 Jun 1803. Richard Leach to David Tutterrow. For 50 acres for 75 pounds on Bear Crk adj this grantee and James McGuire. Wit Harman Husbands. Prvd by Husbands at Aug Ct 1804. > ................. > I understand he must be 21 to take title to land in that era????? > ................... > Not sure about that. > .................... > > James W. Kluttz > Cary, NC > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 8:16 AM > >

Need opines or legal opinions re age requirements for minors to take title in their name alone to land in 1803 Rowan Co, NC. The age of this buyer David DOTHERO will help determine which David he is and ages possible for him. Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Kluttz" <bkluttz@mindspring.com> To: <HalMac@Cox.net> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Rowan County Deed > Help needed. I carry my uncle David Dettro as b 22 Oct 1790 Rowan Co, NC, BUT, I also show > DEED: Jun 1803 Rowan Co deed 19/35 from Richard Leach to David TUTTEROW. > Can anyone verify the deed?? Any witnesses??... > ................ > I have published the Rowan County deeds up to 1840. > > The deed is on 19/36. 8 Jun 1803. Richard Leach to David Tutterrow. For 50 acres for 75 pounds on Bear Crk adj this grantee and James McGuire. Wit Harman Husbands. Prvd by Husbands at Aug Ct 1804. > ................. > I understand he must be 21 to take title to land in that era????? > ................... > Not sure about that. > .................... > > James W. Kluttz > Cary, NC > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 8:16 AM > >

The "battle of Almance" was a culimation of a number of years of unrest and angst among the population. Men in the counties of Orange, Granville, Rowan and others had formed loose associations to gather and talk about the injustices, waste and corruption of the the local county officials long before the 1771 battle. As early as 1767 or 1768, and possibly earlier, some of these men began calling themselves "Regulators", as they fully intended to regulate a number of injustices that they felt were being inflicted upon them in one way or another. In 1768, a series of distrurbances occurred. The Regulators generally viewed them as gatherings of citizens to protest and voice their conerns. The local crown officials considered them "riots" and issued arrest warrants in some cases. I believe all of the 12 men listed on the 1768 Pardon list, along with others, were arrested (or at least warrants were issued) and charged with a variety of crimes, mostly having to do with rioting and unlawful assembly. After a series of sham trials, some where those accused were not allowed representation in the local courts, Governor Tryon began to sense that public opinion in some areas was beginning to turn in some areas IN FAVOR of these Regulators. To appease the masses, and to attempt to restore order in the backcountry, he issued the "General Pardon" to ALL who were involved with these distrubances in 1768, except the 12 men listed, who Tryon and his local officials felt were, at that time, major instigators of the Regulator movement. Some historians belive that Tryon was walking a tightrope between retaining the loyalty of his local officials (who he recognized were corrupt) - by excluding these "outlaws" from the overall pardon; and attempting to quell the building sentiment of the citizens of these counties - by pardoning the rest. So Tryon's 1768 general pardon had nothing to do with The Battle of Almanace. The 1768 Pardon and the acts that led up to it were a PRECURSOR, by a full 3 years, to the Battle of Almanace. joemcdo@flash.net wrote: Sorry about the last reply I misread the date as 1778. But with the date as 1768 I'm still confused. Why did Tryon make this list 3 years before the battle? Be Well Joe McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve O'Neal" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] executions....list of 12 men excluded > Here it is, in case some missed it from earlier in the > week: > > In 1768, Governor Tryon, reacting to the outcome of a > trial of Regulators that he felt was a mockery of > justice, issued a proclomation of general pardon to > all the Regulators of that Spring except 12, whom he > considered as the Principal Leaders. These thirteen > were: > > James Hunter > Ninian Bell Hamilton > Peter Craven > Isaack Jackson > Hermon Husband > Matthew Hamilton > William Payne > Malichi Tyke > William Moffat > Christopher Nation > Solomon Goff > John O'Neal > > > --- AHamptonResearch@aol.com wrote: > >> Joe, I didn't save it, as the person I was looking >> for was not on there. >> Didn't Steve post it to the list? >> arlene >> >> >> >> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all >> time on AOL Music. >> > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 >> 48) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > Steve O'Neal > steveoneal_66@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Steve O'Neal steveoneal_66@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

George W. Durman E-mail Address(es): GermannaResearch@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com>; <saund@ix.netcom.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] 1714 Germanna Colony in Virginia > Dear Cousin Saunders, > > If you are descended from a Kemper of early Virginia, then you and I are > distant cousins, no doubt. > > If you are interested in contributing material for the unrecognized > Germanna > colonists which you list in your recent message, will you correspond with > Sgt. George, the webmaster of the Germanna colonies list? The rootsweb > message > board has not been too lively lately. > > I think I have sent some information today about various Germanna > websites > to a newly discovered cousin, who posted her queries on the Rowan Co. > list. > > I don't know Sgt. George's immediate e-mail address, but he shows up > frequently in the messages. > > The Kemper family of colonial Virginia [not Pennsylvania] are my > ancestors, > and they were part of the First Germanna Colony in 1714. They did not > stay > long with Gov. Spotswood, and he was forced to import others, from a > different > part of Germany, and they are called the Second Colony. > > As I understand from John Blankenbaker's notes which are on the webpage by > Sgt. George, the Second Colony were from a different part of Germany and > they > had a different religion. Many of the Second Colony can be found later in > Culpeper Co., VA and in Madison Co., VA records. > > The Kempers are found almost everywhere the Holtzclaws were located both > in > Virginia and in Kentucky. > > The immigrant Holtzclaw was a schoolteacher, as I learn, and he was the > agent with the Virginia authorities for acquring land, etc. He was > naturalized in > Orange Co., VA, which was a huge county at the time. > > The Kempers bought land from the Holtzclaws, in Kentucky intermarried with > them, and so on. After they got to Kentucky, however, my Kempers went > every > which way. My particular line went to Texas to fight in the Texas > Revolution--which war attracted a lot of Tennesseans, of course. Siblings > went to > Missouri. > > I don't think this Virginia group of Germans is of much interest to people > who have ancestors in Rowan Co., NC, but American are such mongrels [as > English > people say they are], who knows? I understand from some of the Germanna > notes that one of the Moravian clergy visited the Germanna colonies from > time to > time. Frederick, Maryland was one of their [Moravian] headquarters, and > there is frequent mention of that place in their journals, which have been > translated by Adelaide Fries. I believe her compiled books were published > by the > North Carolina Historical Commission years ago. I believe they are no > longer in print, more's the pity! > > E.W.Wallace > One of the American mongrels > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1271 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 > 8:16 AM > >

I don't know what happened with that last post, will try again... The men who were executed after the Battle of Alamance in 1771: James FEW ~ was executed west of Hillsborough, North Carolina on May 17, 1771, after taking part in the Battle of Alamance. James was hanged at the militia's camp approximately five miles northeast of the Alamance battlefield. Robert MATEAR ~ was not involved in the Regulator movement, but was accidentally caught up in Governor Tryon's revenge. He was hanged on 19 June 1771. Benjamin MERRILL ~ was a leader of the Regulator movement. He was hanged on 19 June 1771 for his involvement. Captain MESSER ~ was hanged on 19 June 1771 for his involvement. James PUGH ~ was a leader in the Regulator movement. He was hanged on 19 June 1771 for his involvement. Two "Unknown" Regulators ~ no one seems to know the names of these two men, they were also executed on 19 June 1771. ********************************************* The six men who were pardoned: William Brown ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement but reprieved. James Copeland ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement but reprieved. Herman Cox ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement but reprieved. James Emmerson ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement, but was reprieved. Forrester Mercer ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement, but was reprieved. James Stewart ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement, but he was reprieved. Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

The men who were executed after the Battle of Alamance in 1771: James FEW?-- was executed? on May 17, 1771, after taking part in the Battle of Alamance. James was hanged at Gov. Tryon's camp about five miles northeast of the Alamance battlefield. ?-- was executed? on May 17, 1771, after taking part in the Battle of Alamance. James was hanged at Gov. Tryon's camp about five miles northeast of the Alamance battlefield. Robert MATEAR ~ was not involved in the Regulator movement, but was caught up in Governor Tryon's revenge. He was hanged on 19 June 1771. ~ was not involved in the Regulator movement, but was caught up in Governor Tryon's revenge. He was hanged on 19 June 1771. Benjamin MERRILL ~ was a leader of the Regulator movement. He was hanged on 19 June 1771. ~ was a leader of the Regulator movement. He was hanged on 19 June 1771. Captain MESSER ~ was involved with the Regulator movement and was hanged on 19 June 1771. ~ was involved with the Regulator movement and was hanged on 19 June 1771. James PUGH ~ was a leader in the Regulator movement. He was hanged on 19 June 1771. ~ was a leader in the Regulator movement. He was hanged on 19 June 1771. Two "Unknown" Regulators ~ no one seems to know the names of these two men, they were also executed on 19 June 1771. ********************************************* The six Regulators who were pardoned: William Brown ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement but reprieved. ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement but reprieved. James Copeland ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement but reprieved. ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement but reprieved. Herman Cox ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement but reprieved. ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement but reprieved. James Emmerson ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement, but was reprieved. ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement, but was reprieved. Forrester Mercer ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement, but was reprieved. ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement, but was reprieved. James Stewart ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement, but he was reprieved. Linda Monticelli ~ was condemned to death at Hillsborough for his involvement, but he was reprieved. Linda Monticelli ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

In a message dated 2/10/2008 6:51:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, rlmlfm@aol.com writes: Sandy Creek Baptist Church was in Orange County, but it could be located in another county today if it's still there. ---------------------- Sandy Creek Baptist Church was in the section of Orange County that became part of Guilford in 1771, and then became part of Randolph in 1779. _http://www.northcarolinahistory.org/encyclopedia/112/entry_ (http://www.northcarolinahistory.org/encyclopedia/112/entry) The Battle of Alamance was in May 1771, near the new Orange/Guilford border. Guilford was created from sections of Orange and Rowan counties, and started administration of its territory on April 1, 1771. Battle of Alamance: _http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/Sections/hs/alamance/alamanc.htm_ (http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/Sections/hs/alamance/alamanc.htm) Katherine Benbow **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Here is a link to the North Carolina Office of Archives & History - Colonial Records Project - Newspaper accounts on the Regulator uprisings, battles, arrest, sentencing of Benjamin Merrill (drawn and quartered): www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/newspapers/Subjects/Reg.htm ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Sorry, my previous post didn't make much sense! I meant the "England" family instead of "English". G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

The Ivy Mills book (see the other posting I just sent) says that Thomas Willcox (John's father) sold paper to Benjamin Franklin and bought supplies from him, so that is probably the connection. The Willcox family lived in Chester County, Pennsylvania (just outside Philadelphia). Elaine Oakes >>Hermon Husbands of Sandy Creek, Orange County, NC was reportedly related or connected with Benjamin Franklin. Husbands kept up a correspondence with Benjamin Franklin through John Wilcox, a merchant of Cross Creek, Cumberland County, NC who went to Philadelphia twice a year to buy goods.

Lolene, Can I have a copy of the pardon? Does it have any thing about Jemima Merrell/Merrill in it? Be Well Joe McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lolene" <lolene3599@sbcglobal.net> To: <ROWANROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: [ROWANROOTS] Pardons > Even Jemima Merrell/Merrill received help, but not a pardon from the > government. She got to keep the land which otherwise would have been > forfeited. I got a copy of the proclamation from the North Carolina > Archives. > > > Lolene > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This John Wilcox is my gg...uncle. His sister Mary married John Montgomery. John's father was Thomas Willcox (the usual spelling was with two "l"s), who had one of the first paper mills in America. For more information, see "Historical Southern Families" Vol. I, "KENDRICK of GLOUCESTER CO., VA, and NORTH CAROLINA", by B. C. Holtzclaw, and "Ivy Mills 1729-1866, Willcox and Allied Families" by Joseph Willcox (1911), which is available on-line at HeritageQuest. John Willcox died in Richmond County, NC in 1793 so is only slightly connected to Rowan. Elaine Oakes >>I found the following?at Ancestry.com?in the "History of North Carolina, Chapter LXIII, Randolph County" where it mentions Herman HUSBANDS and John WILCOX. "Resolved, That the lands said to be the property of Herman Husbands, on which there is pit-coal, hearthstone, &c., be purchased or otherwise secured for the use of the public. "Resolved, That if John Wilcox and William England refuse to part with the mortgaged premises, it will be necessary to make a new agreement with them. "Resolved, If they will neither sell nor lease, that they be precluded from using any ore or timber from the vacant land of the State adjacent."

You had to be 21 to sell land, but a person of any age could own or purchase land. Rick Saunders No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM

I am interested in this English family. Does anyone on the list know if there is a relationship between any of the English families of that area and any of the Harrell families of western NC?? I have found a 25 marker DNA match between an English descendant and my Harrell line, some of whom settled in that part of NC. GLH > "Resolved, That if John Wilcox and William England refuse to part with the mortgaged premises, it will be necessary to make a new agreement with them. > Thanks, G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

There was some kind of problems that Tryon had with the Regulators in 1768 also, I've read some articles about it.  The battle of Alamance was in 1771, I think it was in May but don't quote me on that.  Your Benjamin Merrill was executed on June 19, 1771, I'm pretty sure that is the correct date. Here is some information that I found about the Regulators in 1768: "Separate Baptists at Sandy Creek therefore joined with Quakers to oppose the high tax increases that Governor William Tryon’s government attempted to enforce. Although Shubal Stearns opposed the violence of many Regulators, he sympathized with their beliefs. But many times Regulation protests fell within the boundary of the law. For instance, the Sandy Creek Regulators of Orange and Regulators of Anson, Rowan, Granville and Mecklenburg counties petitioned Governor William Tryon and the North Carolina Assembly in March 1768 and condemned the Eastern gentry for dominating the legislature and condoning courthouse rings in which local sheriffs and other officials dominated. At other times, they criticized Governor Tryon’s attempt to establish the Church of England in North Carolina, as well as building an elaborate palace in New Bern from funds appropriated for the building of "public schools and for purchasing glebes." Sandy Creek Baptist Church was in Orange County, but it could be located in another county today if it's still there. Linda Monticelli -----Original Message----- From: joemcdo@flash.net To: rowanroots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] executions....list of 12 men excluded Sorry about the last reply I misread the date as 1778. But with the date as 768 I'm still confused. Why did Tryon make this list 3 years before the attle? Be Well oe McDonald ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Steve O'Neal" <steveoneal_66@yahoo.com> o: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> ent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:52 PM ubject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] executions....list of 12 men excluded Here it is, in case some missed it from earlier in the week: In 1768, Governor Tryon, reacting to the outcome of a trial of Regulators that he felt was a mockery of justice, issued a proclomation of general pardon to all the Regulators of that Spring except 12, whom he considered as the Principal Leaders. These thirteen were: James Hunter Ninian Bell Hamilton Peter Craven Isaack Jackson Hermon Husband Matthew Hamilton William Payne Malichi Tyke William Moffat Christopher Nation Solomon Goff John O'Neal --- AHamptonResearch@aol.com wrote: > Joe, I didn't save it, as the person I was looking > for was not on there. > Didn't Steve post it to the list? > arlene > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all > time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > Steve O'Neal steveoneal_66@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Ummmm. Guardian needed?? Will record show "a minor" or anything?? Best, Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716 <HalMac@Cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fredric Z. Saunders" <fzsaund@ix.netcom.com> To: <rowanroots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [ROWANROOTS] David Dettro b 1790 or bef??? > You had to be 21 to sell land, but a person of any age could own or > purchase > land. > > Rick Saunders > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 > 11:54 AM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROWANROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 > 12:21 PM > >