I found a reference today to the 1920 North Carolina census records, page T625-1304. Anyone able to tell me where to get this, or better yet :), get it for me? Russell D. James Delta, Colorado neri@dmea.net

While looking through a Gibson Co TN cemetery which is online on usgenweb, I found something that might be of interest to someone since it mentions Winston Salem, as well as other locations. I have no idea whether or not all of this information is on stones. Here is url. http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/tn+index+73311123864+F WHICKER, Agnes Morrow b. 09/21/1815, d. 01/26/1887 Wife of Levi; daughter of Gabriel Morrow, Magherafelt, Ireland. Whickers from Bavaria, via London. Levi b. 05/29/1802, d. 06/15/1857 Son of James, Winston-Salem; son of Thomas Whicker; son of Benjamin, Richmond, VA; son of Thomas Whicker, From England to Westmoreland Co., VA in 1688. Virginia wtsongwriter@geocities.com MT PLEASANT CEMETERY AT TANGLEWOOD, Forsyth Co NC http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/1166/mtplea/mtplea.htm GRANNY'S GENEALOGY PAGE http://www.geocities.com/nashville/opry/1166/ FLESHER HOMEPAGE http://www.public.usit.net/gflesher SONGWRITING http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/7077/

Does any one know of a Nathan Christmas who was born about 1838 in SC but was later in NorthCarolian? Any information appreciated. Joyce

There was a Charles Davis who was my grandfather's brother. This Charles was born 1869, probably in Marion County, Iowa, married Laura ___, had one daughter, worked for the railroad, and ended up in Council Bluffs. His father, John Davis,(1809-1875) was born in North Carolina and married Vincy (Vinecy) Morrow (1815-1880) in Rowan County. They went to Iowa later, and are buried in Knoxville, Iowa. ---------- > From: "Judy Waters Edwards" <ibfinnjenny@hotmail.com> > To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Cochran,Bryson,Roten,Brown,Davis,Huff,Knox,Bryant&Scudders > Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:01:51 PDT > > Dear List, > I am interested in the following names: > Moses Cochran > Elizabeth Bryson > John Roten > Daniel Brown > Charles Davis > Elizabeth Huff > Elizabeth Knox > John Bryant > and John Scudder > I'd like to hear from anyone searching these people. > Thanks, Judy > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > Have you joined the Rootsweb Genealogical Data > Cooperative yet? > http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

Good morning Doris, I've always referred to my parents' aunts and uncles as great aunt/uncle Jane/Jack, etc. also. . . . Until I started doing this genealogy research, I had never heard of a grand uncle, either! When I answered Russell question I just assumed he wanted to know the answer as it pertained to genealogy. I'm like you and will continue to use great aunt/uncle when I'm speaking to family. Have a good one . . Patricia Wow! I never even heard of grand uncle. All our family referred to them as great-uncle, or great-aunts, (and still do). I stand corrected, but we will continue as before dj TribalOrphan wrote: > > He is your grand uncle. Check out the following link. It has alot of good > info. > Patricia > http://www.agate.net/~davids/_genea/dl01.htm > -----Original Message----- > <snip > > What is the proper genealogical term for my father's uncle's relation to > me? Is it my grand uncle or my great-uncle? > > Russell D. James > Delta, Colorado > neri@dmea.net > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from RowanRoots-L, send an e-mail message to: > RowanRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > RowanRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the RowanRoots-L web page: > http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/rowanroots-l.htm ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from RowanRoots-L, send an e-mail message to: RowanRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) RowanRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode)

Dear List, I am interested in the following names: Moses Cochran Elizabeth Bryson John Roten Daniel Brown Charles Davis Elizabeth Huff Elizabeth Knox John Bryant and John Scudder I'd like to hear from anyone searching these people. Thanks, Judy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

James Dunlop Baird was born in Person Cty, NC as was his wife, Mary Louise Dickens. James was born in 1835 and Mary Louise is 1840. They married in Person Cty in 1860 and I have information he was a professor at Sydney-Hampton College for Men in VA. They both died in Avery Cty. He died Sept 18, 1895 and she Aug. 21, 1903. They are buried in Daniels Cemetery. They had several children, one being James Dunlop b July 5, 1870. He married a Louisa Dickens (relative of his mother's?). They, too, are buried in Daniels' Cemetery with a son named James Dunlop who died very young. I would appreciate any information on this family. I know nothing of Mary Louise's parents or siblings. Nor do I know anything about her son, James Dunlop. I do know that in 1898, he fathered a son by Betty Jane Carpenter named Mack Leonard Carpenter. I know nothing about the parentage of Betty Jane except her father was Ervin Carpenter b about 1843 and son of David William and Mira Gragg Carpenter. Her mother is completely unknown. Audrey Annable Franklin

In my experience (immediate ancestors in Georgia), my grandfather's sister was great aunt Effie. In common spoken and written usage, no surname would have been mentioned. Moreover, we don't normally specify that an aunt or uncle achieved that status by marriage. Now, we each have four grandparents. But, we have eight great grandparents, sixteen great great grandparents. If all of those folks have sisters (or brothers who married), it becomes increasingly likely that there will be duplicate Marys, Effies, Janes, and so on. Thus, in common usage, the parallel with grandparents tends to break down because "great great great[or grand] aunt Effie" may not denote a specific person. Of course, the same thing may occur with parents, grandparents, and so on. But, it would likely take more generations. Even in the absence of duplicate Christian (or given names) in the same generation, the average person would be unduly taxed when asked to identify "great great great[or grand] aunt Mary". Parallel constructions can be pushed too far. [In addition, speaking of one's grand aunt or uncle sounds a bit pompous to my ear.] Best wishes, Bob -- Member: NGS, NCGS, PGN, Association of Professional Genealogists Address for professional research requests: metaq1@mms.net Web page: http://ncgen.mms.net/

Is there a census for 1800 available for these counties and does anyone have access or is it on the internet?

I am with Doris. My family (from Wisconsin and California) and my husband's family (from Ohio and up state New York) all called our parents aunts and uncles "great" and not grand. When our nephew had their first child, he called and said "Congratulations, you are a great-uncle." My husband's reply "I've always been a GREAT uncle." Which our nephew agreed was true. I can see the connection between granduncle and grandparent, but guess everyone just always thought great sounded better or something. I've never known anyone who called their relatives grand___. Doesn't mean it's right or wrong, but we've lived in seven states and 10 cities, north and south, so one would think we would have heard it somewhere. Interesting how things evolve over time. I really enjoy getting information from this site. I've never made a family connection directly through the site, but still find the history of the area that people share very interesting. Paula

Wow! I never even heard of grand uncle. All our family referred to them as great-uncle, or great-aunts, (and still do). I stand corrected, but we will continue as before dj TribalOrphan wrote: > > He is your grand uncle. Check out the following link. It has alot of good > info. > Patricia > http://www.agate.net/~davids/_genea/dl01.htm > -----Original Message----- > <snip > > What is the proper genealogical term for my father's uncle's relation to > me? Is it my grand uncle or my great-uncle? > > Russell D. James > Delta, Colorado > neri@dmea.net > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from RowanRoots-L, send an e-mail message to: > RowanRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > RowanRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the RowanRoots-L web page: > http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/rowanroots-l.htm

He is your grand uncle. Check out the following link. It has alot of good info. Patricia http://www.agate.net/~davids/_genea/dl01.htm -----Original Message----- <snip What is the proper genealogical term for my father's uncle's relation to me? Is it my grand uncle or my great-uncle? Russell D. James Delta, Colorado neri@dmea.net ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from RowanRoots-L, send an e-mail message to: RowanRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) RowanRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

I looked in the dictionary for further definition about grand(parent, aunt, uncle, etc.). Perhaps this will help: Webster's New World Dictionary defines: grand - Old French replacing Old English ealde - (i.e., higher in rank, status or dignity than others) a combining form meaning of the older (and younger) than you (grandfather, grandson). grandaunt - same as great grandnephew - (chiefly Brit.) the grandson of one's brother or sister grandniece - the granddaughter of one's brother or sister granduncle - same as great The American Heritage Dictionary defines: grandaunt - a sister of one's grandparents grandnephew - a son of one's niece or nephew grandniece - a daughter " " " " It all boils down to semantics. Language is a living thing and always evolving...it seems greataunt, greatuncle, etc., are the commonly used term for the "proper" grandaunt, etc. The more archaic usage. I think most people, unless genealogically inclined, use the term great aunt and uncle and would look at us strangely if they heard us refer to anybody in the family as granduncle, aunt, neice or nephew! Might bring on a few snickers and whispers suggesting that Great Aunt Lucy has gone squirrelly. Hope this is helpful. Charmaine

In a message dated 9/30/1999 7:44:44 PM Central Daylight Time, ginlu@bellsouth.net writes: << Wow! I never even heard of grand uncle. All our family referred to them as great-uncle, or great-aunts, (and still do). I stand corrected, but we will continue as before dj >> I think it must depend on what part of the country you are from. Here we say great-aunt, great- unlce - great- great- aunt, etc. Here's another link listed on my home page <A HREF="http://www.ionet.net/~cousin/dale23.html">Cousin Finder</A> http://www.ionet.net/~cousin/dale23.html Here's my homepage link: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/jbmoser/page/index.htm">Jeanette's Genealogy Home Page</A> http://members.aol.com/jbmoser/page/index.htm Jeanette inTexas Volunteer for Nueces County Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness http:www.rootsweb.com/~tnraogk/

Your father's siblings - Uncle or Aunt Your grandparents siblings: Granduncle or grandaunt Your great grandparents siblings; Great granduncle or Great grandaunt

What is the proper genealogical term for my father's uncle's relation to me? Is it my grand uncle or my great-uncle? Russell D. James Delta, Colorado neri@dmea.net

Does anyone know of Churches that existed around 1820 in Mocksville, NC (Beaver Dam Creek near Calahaln)? In 1820, this part was in Rowan County, Today it is now part of Davie County. Searching for where my ancestor William PATRICK, who died in 1818, is buried. He owned land on Beaver Dam Creek near Calahaln, 300 Ac. Thanks Jim

Billy, if you have time would you please look for the marriage of William King to Lydia Williams. It could be in either Rowan or Surry, Co. Thank you very much.

Bob, I am forwarding your message to Lula Hankins Hunter. She has the following for a Christina Harman (Harmon), which may be your family. If so, you have quite an Illustrious family, about which much has been recorded in Chalkley's Chronicles, among other sources. The Pate family was in Montgomery Co., Va., at the same time in the mid-1700s as my ancestor, Archibald Thompson, who left a diary, index and transcripts of which are at Doug Moore's web site at http://www.public.asu.edu/~moore Archibald is my gggg-grandfather and I am always looking for his descendants. 1. CHRISTINA3 HARMAN (HEINRICH "ADAM"2, UNKNOWN1)1 was born in Montgomery Co, VA1, and died Abt. June 18, 1815 in Montgomery Co, VA1. She married JEREMIAH PATE, SR.1. He was born April 1728 in Montgomery Co, VA on Little River1, and died Abt. July 1812 in Montgomery Co, VA1. Children of CHRISTINA HARMAN and JEREMIAH PATE are: i. JEREMIAH4 PATE, JR.1. ii. JACOB PATE1. iii. CATEY PATE1, m. UNKNOWN RICHARDS1. iv. LOWER PATE1, m. UNKNOWN CANADAY1. v. DANIEL PATE1. vi. ELIZABETH PATE1, m. PHILIP HOGAN1. vii. ADAM PATE1. viii. SARAH PATE1, m. UNKNOWN COOK1. > It wasn't me with Elizabeth Harmon, but while on the subject I am searching > for Cristina Harmon, born around 1755, most likely daughter of John Harrman > of Deep Creek in Old Rowan, today Yadkin. He had sons Anthony and John that > I know of and may have died and left a will in Old Tryon Co during the time > of the Revolution. He is shown on old Rowan Maps as a land owner and seen in > the Moravian Records in the diary of Rev. Soelle. > > Anybody know of these German Harmons? Cristina married Valentine "Felle" > Reece and lived in the Wilkes NC/Watauga NC/Johnson Co TN area after leaving > Deep Creek in 1787. She lived to a very old age. > > Bob Jones > Arden NC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geod7@aol.com [mailto:Geod7@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:25 PM > To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Harmon > > > Dear ??? > > Someone on this list asked me about Elizabeth Harmon. Please respond, I > lost > your message. > > Debby > > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from RowanRoots-L, send an e-mail message to: > RowanRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > RowanRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > > ______________________________

I am very interested in the HARMON family of this area. Rowland ANDREWS, who married Henrietta ?? named a son Harmon. Was Henrietta a Harmon as has been speculated. This family was in Randolph Co in the late 1700's early 1800's. Carol Shrader Virginia Beach, VA