I'm sorry but at this time I don't have any information on Elizabeth Buckner and Thomas Brown. I haven't gone back as far as the 1700's yet. I've just started researching . . . only about 6 months now. I'm trying to locate information on Daniel Buckner b.abt 1802 in Rowan County, I'm told. I'll keep you in mind while I'm researching and send along anything I might find. Patricia << To whoever asked for the BUCKNER lookup: do you have any record of an Elizabeth BUCKNER who married Thomas BROWN prior to about 1770, either in Rowan County or elsewhere? Family tradition says they were living in Rowan Co. by this time, but I have not been able to document this. Elizabeth Harris state coordinator, NCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== Please consider joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data Cooperative? http://www.rootsweb.com/

Nell, I'm an elderly, self taught computer user. I'm sure that there are lots out there like me, who haveread all those "help" windows, read all those manuals, and they might as well be a federal tax manual, for all I understand. My files are a total disaster. Oh, well, I have fun! Pat

>Ana*bap*tist (noun) > >First appeared 1532 > > : a Protestant sectarian of a radical movement arising in the 16th century >and advocating the baptism and church membership of adult believers only, >nonresistance, and the separation of church and state > Just for further clarification: the Moravians trace their history back to followers of John Hus, who was burned at the stake in Prague in 1415. The modern Moravian church, as Linda pointed out, dates from the 1720s and the reorganization of the fellowship on Zinzendorf's estate in Saxony. The Moravians practice infant baptism, and are not Anabaptists or "Dunkers", although they were indeed part of the pietist movement in Europe and in Pennsylvania. >1722 Refugees of the "Unitas Fratrum" (Hussites) gather at > Herrnhut, on the estates of Nicolaus Ludwig, Count Zinzendorf. > They form a Pietistic conclave. This is the start of the > Moravian Brethren, who expand the Pietist tradition of Elizabeth Harris state coordinator, NCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

Barney Barnhardt wrote: > > >Hi Russell, > > > >I'd be glad to help what I can. What version are you using?? I'm > currently > >using version 5.2F and the directions will be for that version. They'll > >probably work fine for any recent version. > > > >It's really very simple. First let's talk about importing a gedcom. First > >requirement of course is to have one to import. Note where you have the > >gedcom that you want to import stored. Then when you are in the first > >screen you see when you open the program, click on file. When that opens, > >you will see a heading entitled gedcom. Click on that. You will then see > a > >choice of import or export. Click on the correct one and follow the > >directions. Here is where you will need to know where the gedcom you want > >to import is located. > > > >In the case of exporting you click on file, then gedcom, then export then > >follow the directions. It's really very easy. Let me know if you have any > >specific questions, etc. Also there is a help feature that is online with > >the program that has pretty good directions. > > > >Any further questions, just ask. > > > >Barney > > > >>would anyone on this list be willing to help me learn importing and > >>exporting of gedcom? I use Brother's Keeper, so maybe someone who also > >>uses that. Please contact me. > >>Russell D. James > >>Delta, Colorado > >>neri@dmea.net > >> > >> > >>==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > >>To contact the owner, send email to jdcoates@aa.net (John Coates) > >> > >> > > > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the RowanRoots-L web page: > http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/rowanroots-l.htm Hi Barney: Hope I may call ypu Barney since we have never meet. I am a new comer to the Computer World and do not know very term. Please bare with me. I saw your reply to Russell D. James about GEDCOMS. Could you please help me. I have FTM on my computer and do not know how to send or receive Gedcom File. Would you mind helping me and talking me thru the procedure. Thanks in aadvanace for your reply. Respectively; H.L.Lawrence.

Hi. My understanding is that the term 'Dunker' or 'Dunkard' was applied to a number of subsets of the Anabaptist/Pietist German Baptist Brethren movement because they believed firmly in adult full-immersion baptism. These groups would include most if not all of the early Baptist churches in our history, the Moravian Brethren, the Mennonites, the Hutterites, and other specific groups. I think the confusion over the 'separate and always have been' issue may be that in the 1920's, a more conservative group broke away from the Baptist brethren and took the name of 'Dunkard Brethren'. But in historic terms, 'Dunker' was a much more general term. Billy is right -- the Church of the Brethren website is a goldmine of historic and genealogical information! They have done a wonderful job. (I have no affiliation with this church; my beliefs are very different; this is not an ad <gr>). But I might start searchers out at: http://www.cob-net.org/america.htm This is the section on the history and migration of the peoples in early America. Well worth a good read, even if you don't much care about the religious history per se. Then follow links to the European roots (terrific!), the history of the various denominations (very well done!), and - Ta Da! - the genealogy section and genealogy ring! There are lists of early congregation members by church and baptisms done by early ministers. Unfortunately for us, they concentrate in PA, but most of our folks were there at some early time. There are links of relevant sites, including genealogy hunters looking at Baptist families. Also see (didn't find an easy link on the recommended pages): http://www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife.htm Despite all the excellent work done by others, this has to be the most detailed and fascinating site about various roads and traces, settlements, and life in migration that I have seen anywhere. This site is a series of chapters from books written by a Merle C Rummel. Click on the chapter links. And if you are looking for specifics, also click on another of his book links to: http://www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife_journal.htm This appears to start a bit dry <gr>, but browse down. Here are three sample entries to tempt you to take a better look: 1722 Refugees of the "Unitas Fratrum" (Hussites) gather at Herrnhut, on the estates of Nicolaus Ludwig, Count Zinzendorf. They form a Pietistic conclave. This is the start of the Moravian Brethren, who expand the Pietist tradition of Christian Missionaries -to the world. They form colonies in America (Bethlehem and Nazareth PA, Salem NC, etc) and missions to the Indians (New Philadelphia, Gnaddenhutten, Schoenbrun Village -in Ohio, among others). Peter Becker with two Brethren visit the scattered Brethren in Berks and Lancaster Counties. 1748 Beaver Creek Church (Newberry Co, So Carolina) David Martin, min; congregation moved mostly from the Conococheague, MD. Migration was down the Great Valley Road, and at the Roanoke River, the Carolina Road left through the gap and followed the face of the Blue Ridge down to the Yadkin and on. Northkill Congregation (Berks County) George Kleine, minister Alexander Mack Jr left Dunkards Bottom, (prophetic) dream of Indian Raid. Alexander Mack Jr (Sander Mack), and Christopher Sauer Jr are given oversight of the Germantown Church (Gemeinschaft) (advanced to Eldership "on trial"). 1790 Hinkston Creek Church (Montgomery County, KY) Peter Hahn, Daniel Ockerman, Joseph Molar, John Garver -ministers; largest KY Church, settlement from Carolinas. Beech Creek Church (Shelby County, KY) Jacob Stutzman, George Boone, ministers: settlement from Carolinas and Maryland, near the Falls, Louisville: Elk Creek Church (Spencer County, KY). Drakes Creek Church (Warren County, KY) John Hendricks, elder; settlement from Carolinas, Brethren Universalist (may be "John H.." of 1798 AM bann). Dutch Settlement (Muhlenberg County, KY) Francis Stump, elder; George Wolfe, minister; settlement from Pennsylvania (Henry Rhoads -Brother's Valley). Stephen Bolender/Christian Waltsmith, ministers -to Penns Valley, PA. David Colglazier comes to the mouth of Indian Creek (Clermont County, OH). John Bowman family comes to Obannon Creek (Warren County, OH) Elder Daniel Leatherman died (MD). General Josiah Harmer leads frontier army to disaster near Fort Wayne; Miami Indian Confederation under Little Turtle . The Church of the Brethren site is a bit slow to load, at least on a Sunday morning <gr>, but not too bad. And it is worth the wait! Have fun, Linda

Billy, would you please look for the name ORTON (ORTEN) in your book? Thank you very much, Jean K.

>In his Rev. Pension application, he stated: "We were >married by "Old Mr. Lutherman, a Dunkard Preacher". >My understanding is that the Dunkards were a sect of >the Moravians...is that correct? No, they are separate denominations, and always have been. For more information on the Dunkards, I recomend the BRETHREN list: send a message to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the one word SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message (note that there's no L in this address, in contrast to most rootsweb lists). For more information on the Moravians, there's a MORAVIANCHURCH list: MORAVIANCHURCH-L-request@rootsweb.com Both these lists are excellent, and include some very knowledgable subscribers. Also see Sue Schlack's web page, Moravian Church Genealogy Links http://www.enter.net/~smschlack and for information on Moravian families in NC, the site that Faye Moran and I do: http://users.erols.com/fmoran/ Elizabeth Harris state coordinator, NCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

Marriages of Rowan County, NC 1753-1868 compiled by Brent H. Holcomb Genealogical Publishing Company Baltimore, MD Copyright by Genealogical Publishing, Inc. 1986 pg 274 MICHAEL, Henry & Lidia WOOD, 7 February 1809; Jesse BARBER, bondsman; George SNIDER, wit. MICHAEL, Jacob & Beedy LEDFORD, 1 March 1813; Wilson MCCRARY, bondsman; Geo. DUNN, wit MICHAEL, John & Christianna LEONARD, 7 November 1809; Jacob SHOAF, bondsman; Geo. DUNN, wit MICHAEL, John & Sarah SCOTT, 8 May 1815; David MICHEL, bondsman; Geo. DUNN, wit. MICHAEL, Peter & Eve DAY, 30 October 1794; Sion DANIEL, bondsman; Fridreck MILLER, wit. MICHAEL, William & Mary APLIN, 28 January 1807; Jacob MICHAEL, bondsman; J. HANES, J.P., wit. MICHAELY, Christian & Eve SMITHDEAL, 18 August 1817; George SMITHTEEL, bondsman; Jno GILES, wit. MICHAL, William H. & Isabella E. RAMSOUR, 16 November 150; Jno. E. BOGER; bondsman MICHAEL, Jacob & Susana COONCE, 15 June 1818; Andrew CRAVER, bondsman; J. WILLSON, J.P., wit. MICHEL, Frederick & Elizabeth BAKER, 7 August 1786; Peter BAKER, bondsman; Jno. MACAY, wit. pg 275 MIKEL, George & Caty WAGGONER, 10 February 1816; Jno. MICHAEL, bondsman; Jno GILES, C.C., wit. pg 74 CHARLES, George & Christian MICHAEL, 3 January 1787; Fredk. MICHAL, bondsman; Jno MACAY, wit pg 415 WARNER, Vinson & Sally MICHAEL, 11 October 1821; John WARNER, Jr., bondsman; Hy. GILES, wit. pg 247 LOPP, Jacob & Molly WAGGONER, 1 October 1794; Henry SLEIGHTER, bondsman LOPP, Jacob & Molly YONTZ, 27 December 1821; Jacob LONG, bondsman LOPP, Jacob & Mary MICHAEL, 2 February 1822; John LOPP, bondsman LOPP, John & Mary HEDRICK, 20 November 1816; Green MAGEE, bondsman; Jno GILES, wit LOPP, John Jr. & Cattharaine HAMM, 8 August 1790; Valantine HARMAN, bondsman; Jno MONROE, wit. pg 84 COOPER, Nebimiah & Susannah MICHAEL, 1 November 1802; A.L. OSBORN, D.C., wit. pg 400 TRANTHAM, Joseph & Sarah MICHAELS, 15 August 1820; William OWEN, bondsman pg 2 ADAMS, Thomas & Polley MICHEL, 19 April 1803; William HARWOOD, bondsman; Jn. MARCH, J.P., wit. pg 83 COOPER, John & Lidia JOHNSTON, 22 July 1762; Conrad MICHEL, Jacob ______, bondsmen; John FROHOCK, wit.

Marriages of Rowan County, NC 1753-1868 compiled by Brent H. Holcomb Genealogical Publishing Company Baltimore, MD Copyright by Genealogical Publishing, Inc. 1986 pg 216 KARN, Daniel & Susannah WALTON, 17 January 1803; David WOODSON, bondsman; A.L. OSBORN, D.C., wit. pg 219 KERN, Henry & Susanna TRAVES, 31 March 1812; Rbt. WOOD, bondsman; Jno. GILES, C.C., wit. KERN, Obadiah & Aeley AUSTIN, 14 November 1857; Fd. WARNER, bondsman; J.S. MYERS, wit. KERN, Peter & Marry MOORE, 25 January 1809; Wm. H. BRANDON, bondsman; A. L. OSBORNE, wit. KERN, Peter & Elizabeth OWEN, 13 September 1842; J.M. BROWN, bondsman pg 264 MCQUOWN, Daniel & Margaret SLOAN, 25 February 1781; Archd. KERN, bondsman pg 127 FALCKER, Samuel & Betsey KERN, 14 August 1817; Thomas MOCK, bondsman; Jno GILES, wit pg 438 WYMAN, Henry & Caty KERN, 15 November 1784; Conrad BREM, bondsman; Jno. MCNAIRY, wit. pg 60 BUTNER, William & Esther KERN, 5 February 1795; Daniel KERN, bondsman; J. TROY, wit. pg 61 CALDWELL, Max. C. & Fanny KERN, 25 April 1857; Benjamin JULIAN, bondsman; J.S. MYERS, wit married 26 April 1857 by J.H. BROWN, J.P. pg 18 BARCLEY, John & Geiley KERN, 21 August 1790; John KERN, bondsman; C. CALDWELL, D.C., wit. pg 195 HOOTSMAN, Daniel & Mary KERN, 4 November 1800; Jacob LYERLY, bondsman; John BREM, wit. pg 205 HUTSON, Seth & Polly KERN, 1797; Daniel KERN, bondsman; Jno ROGERS, wit. pg 402 TREXLER, Jacob & Mary E. KERN, 20 February 1863; William C. PARKS, bondsman; Obadiah WOODSON, wit. pg 86 CORREL, John & Polly KERN?, 30 September 1815; Gerhart SOLLENBERGER, bondsman; Jno GILES, wit. pg 58 BURKHEART, John & Nelly CARNE, 23 January 1820; John YOUNCE, bondsman; Amos WRIGHT Jr., wit.

Sorry, no help here. The only way we could use these books to determine parentage would be if one, or both, of the people were under age. I am not sure what that was. Anyway, no John WILLIAMS was listed with Rachel HODSON. I did find this, not sure if it will help or not. Marriages of Rowan County, NC 1753-1868 compiled by Brent H. Holcomb Genealogical Publishing Company Baltimore, MD Copyright by Genealogical Publishing, Inc. 1986 pg 204 HUST, James & _____ HODSEN, 3 June 1765; Stephen BALY, bondsman; Thomas FROHOCK, wit. consent from Valentine von HODSEN, father of the bride, 3 June 1765, John FROHOCK, wit. Jo CONOL, wit.

I did not find any reference to Lewis CONNOR, but did find these references to other CONNORS: Marriages of Rowan County, NC 1753-1868 compiled by Brent H. Holcomb Genealogical Publishing Company Baltimore, MD Copyright by Genealogical Publishing, Inc. 1986 pg 82a (for real!) CONNER, James & Anna THOMASON, 10 March 1846; Fred. MOUREY, bondsman; J.H. HARDIE, wit. CONNER, Mikel & Preshes BOSWELL, 23 March 1808; Isaac WARD, bondsman; Jno MARCH Sr., wit. pg 138 FOWLER, Allen & Polly CONNER, 28 June 1816; Henry SHAMMELL, bondsman; Jno GILES, C.C., wit. Marriages of Surry County, NC 1779-1868 compiled by Brent H. Holcomb Genealogical Publishing Company Baltimore, MD Copyright by Genealogical Publishing, Inc. 1982 pg 41 CONNER, Danl & Cary MCLEMORE, 6 July 1795; Wright MCLEMORE, bondsman

Ana*bap*tist (noun) First appeared 1532 : a Protestant sectarian of a radical movement arising in the 16th century and advocating the baptism and church membership of adult believers only, nonresistance, and the separation of church and state Mike.

Catherine asked, >After reading through the look ups of the various names being done by Billy >Markland, I have to question the lack of some of the names. >This is just a thought, it was the habit of the Moravians to sort of control >or arrange marriages to the advantage of the community as a whole. The >marriage was first approved by the Church. Often it was sugguested by the >church leaders that certain people marry. Would this elimate the posting >of bonds, since the arrangement was basicly controlled by the church? Would >not these unions be thus only recorded by the church? Marriages that took place in any church, Moravian or otherwise, may not appear in these compilations of marriage bonds, since marriage was legal in NC either by posting a bond or by posting banns in church. Also, Billy is posting records only for Rowan and Surry Counties. The Wachovia settlement was mostly in what became Stokes County in 1789 and then Forsyth in 1849, so marriages in that area wouldn't be in these two books anyway. Elizabeth Harris state coordinator, NCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

To whoever asked for the BUCKNER lookup: do you have any record of an Elizabeth BUCKNER who married Thomas BROWN prior to about 1770, either in Rowan County or elsewhere? Family tradition says they were living in Rowan Co. by this time, but I have not been able to document this. Elizabeth Harris state coordinator, NCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

In a message dated 10/03/1999 9:07:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time, leoandlinda@provide.net writes: > Billy is right -- the Church of the Brethren website is a goldmine of > historic and genealogical information! They have done a wonderful > job. (I have no affiliation with this church; my beliefs are very > different; this is not an ad <gr>). > > But I might start searchers out at: > > http://www.cob-net.org/america.htm Actually I would use as a spring board The Pennsylvania Dutch Family History website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~padutch/ There are links to many of the Dunkard sites there as well as related lists, boards and databases. Thanks! Don & Jeanine Hartman

>Hi Russell, > >I'd be glad to help what I can. What version are you using?? I'm currently >using version 5.2F and the directions will be for that version. They'll >probably work fine for any recent version. > >It's really very simple. First let's talk about importing a gedcom. First >requirement of course is to have one to import. Note where you have the >gedcom that you want to import stored. Then when you are in the first >screen you see when you open the program, click on file. When that opens, >you will see a heading entitled gedcom. Click on that. You will then see a >choice of import or export. Click on the correct one and follow the >directions. Here is where you will need to know where the gedcom you want >to import is located. > >In the case of exporting you click on file, then gedcom, then export then >follow the directions. It's really very easy. Let me know if you have any >specific questions, etc. Also there is a help feature that is online with >the program that has pretty good directions. > >Any further questions, just ask. > >Barney > >>would anyone on this list be willing to help me learn importing and >>exporting of gedcom? I use Brother's Keeper, so maybe someone who also >>uses that. Please contact me. >>Russell D. James >>Delta, Colorado >>neri@dmea.net >> >> >>==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== >>To contact the owner, send email to jdcoates@aa.net (John Coates) >> >> >

A site with plenty of information regarding the Bretheren can be found at http://www.cob-net.org/genlinks.htm. Hope this helps! Billy

Catherine, You hit a nerve for my research: I'm interested in the marriage of Anna OCKERMAN to John HELM(s) around 1782/3 in Rowan Co. NC In his Rev. Pension application, he stated: "We were married by "Old Mr. Lutherman, a Dunkard Preacher". My understanding is that the Dunkards were a sect of the Moravians...is that correct? I also have another marriage, that of Leah SHOULTS m. Peter HELM(S) in Rowan Co. NC, bond on 5 October 1792. These immigrated to Montgomery Co. KY and there were other Dunkards found in that KY county. Do you know any thing about them? Where could I look, with only the "net" at my fingertips...no decent libraries available in beautiful Carmel, CA! Both the HELM(s) men purchased land in Rowan Co. from Elijah MERRILL "on both sides of Garren Creek, of Huray/Muary?? Adjacent to William Yokley, witnesses included Moses Spivak. In 1797 John Helam bought 2 parcels of land from Daniel Ockerman in Lincoln Co. NC Did the Dunkard community move there also? Thank you for any leads that you, Catherine, or anyone on the Rowan List can give! Ann in Carmel The arranged marriages are of interest to me and certainly would explain why you could get married very soon after arriving in the county. -----Original Message----- From: JEFF LEINBACH <JW.LEIN.INC@worldnet.att.net> To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, October 02, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: Earily Marriages in Rowan and Surry Co, NC >After reading through the look ups of the various names being done by Billy >Markland, I have to question the lack of some of the names. >This is just a thought, it was the habit of the Moravians to sort of control >or arrange marriages to the advantage of the community as a whole. The >marriage was first approved by the Church. Often it was sugguested by the >church leaders that certain people marry. Would this elimate the posting >of bonds, since the arrangement was basicly controlled by the church? Would >not these unions be thus only recorded by the church? > >Anyone out there with knowledge of this practice of the Moravian Church with >it's approval or disapproval? Some reference to the marriage of outsiders >and leaving the church because of not marring from within are recorded in >the Fries Books. > >Happy Hunting >Catherine Leinbach > > > > > > >==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== >Please do not post WARNINGs of any kind on this list. There are no exceptions! >

There is a book (probably unpublished) that was offered for sale about five years ago at a James family reunion in Haywood County, North Carolina. I am as yet unable to locate the book. Would anyone have run across a copy of it? It details my family's history in eastern TN, western NC, and northwestern SC. If so, I would love to talk to you about the book. Russell D. James Delta, Colorado neri@dmea.net

would anyone on this list be willing to help me learn importing and exporting of gedcom? I use Brother's Keeper, so maybe someone who also uses that. Please contact me. Russell D. James Delta, Colorado neri@dmea.net