----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Whitaker <elwhitaker@ftc-i.net> To: <ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 11:22 PM Subject: Re: census > The alphabetical reports were indexes. These are *not* as reliable as > getting your data directly from the microfilm. > > Elizabeth Whitaker Elizabeth, I for one know the difference between census indexes, census microfilms, and copies of microfilms. In some cases the names on the census microfilms had been alphabetized - probably by the census taker. An example of this is page 580 of the 1800 Mecklenburg Co. Census. The following 18 names are listed in this order: Robert COCHRAN, Ephraim COX, Nathaniel DUNBAR, Frederick EZEL, James M. GIBBONS, Francis GIBBONS, John HOUSTON, James HOUSTON, James HENINGER, Thomas LEWIS, Mark LIMMONS, David MOORE, Thomas M. KIBBINS, John MCROSIE, William MCLOY, James McCAUSLIN, Robert PARKS, and John PASTORI. Richard A. Bain dickbain@primeline.com

The alphabetical reports were indexes. These are *not* as reliable as getting your data directly from the microfilm. Elizabeth Whitaker ELWHITAKER@ftc-i.net At 06:35 PM 12/11/99 -0500, Zeppdat1@aol.com wrote: >hello everyone, > >i went to the library to make some copies of the 1810, 1800, & 1790 census >reports for rowan co. i needed the information on the surname ELLIS which i >am researching. > >i noticed that some of these reports were in some sort of alphabetical order. > >why did they do this? > >if i'm correct then if someone is listed next to someone else that does not >mean that they lived next to each other? > >this is the first time i have run into this. can anyone out there help me out. > >thanks in advance, > >dallas harold ellis > > >==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from RowanRoots-L, send an e-mail message to: >   RowanRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) >   RowanRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) >Subject:  unsubscribe >In the body include only one word:  unsubscribe >(Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > >

Hi Thanks to everyone who helped with the answer regarding the location of Abbotts Creek. What a great bunch! I have made a new Barrier discovery in my family and I wondered if anyone might have access to info regarding Wills for Rowan Co? From the below I would presume that Catherine Barrier left a Will. I have found the following: "This indenture made the seventh day of February in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and fifteen between Daniel Leatherman Esq and Executor to the last will and testament of Catherine Barrier deceased, relick and widow of Rheadus Barrier deceased of the county of Rowan and state of North Carolina of one part and Henry Grimes of the same county and state aforesaid of the other part. (It goes on but primarily describes the land as being situated on Reedy Creek) Any help would be much appreciated. Stephanie

At the following you will find a map of the Wachovia and adjoining the Broadbay area is Abbots Creek. http://www.sunsetridge.com/leinbach/archives/wachovia.htm Hope this helps. Catherine Leinbach

I am looking for information on Israel Cox/Cocks (b. 1736, d. June 3, 1778 in Rowan Co.) who was married to Mary Quick. They lived in the Cabin Creek area. Any information on parents, children, dates for Mary Quick and burial sites would be appreciated. I have information on one son's line, a Moses Cox. Thank you.

In a message dated 12/11/99 7:40:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, HISTMOM@aol.com writes: << Feb 4, 1788 "ordered that James Marlin, Espr. be appointed guardian of Rachael & Allen Graham orphans of Joseph Graham, deceased". Would the children be considered orphans if the mother was alive but unable to care for them? If any sons were old enough could they have stayed on the land with the mother and only the younger ones live with aunts, uncles or grandparents? Nancy Marlin, wife of James, died in 1803, named her granddaughter Eleanor in her will. >> I'm wondering if this connects to my line. If so may help me with dead end. I have a James Marlin who died in early 1800s who had daughter Ann b. 3/27/1787. Ann Marlin married Joshua Repult. Is this same James? If it is, do you have any info on his parents?

Copies of pertinent deeds may be ordered from the Register of Deeds, County Office Building, 402 N. Main Street, Salisbury, N.C. 28144. The fee in 1994 was .50 per page plus large SASE. As to your Miller in Deed Book 4, p. 891. I looked in Jo White Linn's "Abstracts of the Deeds of Rowan County, North Carolina 1753-1785". This book covers the Deed Books 1 through 10. In Deed Book 4 she does not show a page 891. Bk. 4, p. 890 is this: 2 Feb. 1759. McCulloh to George Miller for £25 sterl, 332 3/4 A on E side Abbotts Crk. Robert Jones, Jr., John Frohock, John Hamton, Andrew Hunt. Prvd July court 1762. She shows p. 886,888,890,892, 894 etc. I don't know why some pages are (missing?) or were just not there but that is how she lists them. >From Jo White Linn's "Abstracts Of Wills and Estates Records of Rowan County, North Carolina 1753-1805 and Tax Lists of 1759 and 1778": Will Book C:34. GEORGE (X) MILLER. 10 Sept. 1785. prb. 1785. Planter. Wife, Glory Litsler Miller, to have negro woman Nanny and child Susie, having received deed of gift dated 7 Dec. 1773. Son John. Son Jacob to have negro girl Jenny. Sons David and Frederick to have McCulloh grant for Abbott's Creek land by deed of gift with David to have also negro boy Jimmy and Fredrick to have slaves Thom, Betsey, Sarah, and Amey. Exrs: friends David Smith and Dr. John Billing. Wit: Spruce Macay, Fanny Macay, David (X) Smith, Henry (X) Martin. Hope this helps...Jo Crilley wrote: > Are there Rowan County Published Deed Abstracts? > I need a look-up for Deed Book 4. pg 891 MILLER > > Also Rowan Co Will Book? > I need a look up in Book C 34-39 MILLER > > I was trying to locate a listing of books published on Rowan County on the > Rowan County web page, but I didn't see it. I saw the Look-up site which > lists several books. > > Does anyone know if Rowan County Courthouse would "copy" a deed or will for > you if you give them the Deed Book and page # and send them money? How > Much? Usually it is about 25 cents a page...at courthouses that I've used. > > Thanks for your help.... > Virginia > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > To contact the owner, send email to jdcoates@aa.net (John Coates)

----- Original Message ----- From: caviness <caviness@conninc.com> To: <ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Abbotts Creek-Reedy Creek > can anyone tell me where deep river meets sandy creek?thanks Pat Perkins Sandy Creek flows into Deep River 7-8 miles E of Asheboro close to US64 in Randolph Co. Richard A. Bain dickbain@primeline.com

can anyone tell me where deep river meets sandy creek?thanks Pat Perkins caviness@conninc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Darryl Waisner <wgateu94@ntrnet.net> To: <ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Abbotts Creek-Reedy Creek > Stephanie, > > Yes, both Abbotts & Reedy Creek are in Davidson County, NC. However, they > are not relatively close. Abbotts Creek (community) is in the Northeastern > part of the county (near Forsyth/Guilford area). Reedy Creek is in the > Western part of the county west of Lexington. > > Shalom, > Darryl > > At 18:15 12/11/99 +0000, Conquest Music wrote: > >Hello > >Could someone confirm for me that Abbotts Creek is located in Davidson > >Co, NC ? I have tried > >Mapquest but couldn't determine if Abbotts Creek (and Reedy Creek) were > >in Davidson county and close > >to the Forsyth Co line. > >Thanks much > >Stephanie > > > > > >==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > >Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > >Visit the RowanRoots-L web page: > >http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/rowanroots-l.htm > > > > > > > > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the RowanRoots-L web page: > http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/rowanroots-l.htm > >

Dallas, All of the 1790 censuses have been alphabetized (and typed). This is what is available on microfilm and in books at most genealogical libraries. I believe the original 1790 censuses are available at the National Archives. Alphabetizing of the 1800 and 1810 Rowan Co. censuses was done at the local level. Adjacent names in most cases have no significance in determining neighbors. Richard A. Bain dickbain@primeline.com

Abbotts Creek rises in the NE corner of Davidson Co. just to the W of High Point and flows SSW skirting the eastern portion of Lexington and then S into the Yadkin River at High Rock Lake at the Davidson-Rowan Co. border. Richard A. Bain dickbain@primeline.com

Beverly, I can help you clarify some of these locations if you are interested. They are in present-day Rowan, Iredell, Yadkin, Surry, Forsyth and poss. Stokes- all in old Rowan. AL Hudson, the Yadkin Co. Map Man

Stephanie, Yes, both Abbotts & Reedy Creek are in Davidson County, NC. However, they are not relatively close. Abbotts Creek (community) is in the Northeastern part of the county (near Forsyth/Guilford area). Reedy Creek is in the Western part of the county west of Lexington. Shalom, Darryl At 18:15 12/11/99 +0000, Conquest Music wrote: >Hello >Could someone confirm for me that Abbotts Creek is located in Davidson >Co, NC ? I have tried >Mapquest but couldn't determine if Abbotts Creek (and Reedy Creek) were >in Davidson county and close >to the Forsyth Co line. >Thanks much >Stephanie > > >==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== >Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit the RowanRoots-L web page: >http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/rowanroots-l.htm > > >

Yes, Abbotts Creek is located in Davidson Co., NC. I can't give you specifics, but looking at the map I have, it begins in the upper right section of Davidson Co. where Davidson joins Forsyth Co., NC, winds its way down toward the middle of the county going by the outskirts of the city of Lexington, and proceeding straight down to the Yadkin River. Reedy Creek of Davidson Co. is in the upper left section. The map also gives a reference to Reedy Creek of Davie Co. & Reedy Creek of Rowan Co. Belinda Rodgers

Charles, Thanks for the information on Vacant Land entries. I had found Mr. Enoch's book and the land entry I was looking for but your added information about the Tax lists is enlightening. I had been looking for a Thomas Blackshare's first land entry for a long time and finally found it. I now wonder how long he had been there before this entry because he first shows up on the 1778 Tax list. . . "Rowan Co., NC Vacant Land Entries 1778-1789 by Richard A. Enochs Jun 19, 1778 - # 915 - Thomas Blackshare enters 350 ac. in Rowan Co. in forks of Yadkin River . . . border on N & W of Wilcoxson's deeded land, S. by William Patterson & Elias Lovelace's claim, on N. by Hunting Creek & Elias Lovelace's Spring Br. being part of Wilcoxson's survey. Now previous entry for 24 Mar 1778 shows #631 William Patterson 640 A on both sides of Hunting Cr, & bounded by Thomas Blacksher, Henry Johnston, John Brandon, Samuel McCollum, James Cal[d]well, James Andrew. So, Thomas Blackshare was already on the land previous to his own entry. Then, 27 May 1779 #2220 - Bazil Gather - 150 A. on Hunting Creek waters & road from main road to Thos. Blackshear. 29 Jan 1780 - #2418 - Thomas Blackshare - 150 A. on waters of Hunting Creek on S. & W. sides of an entry made by Elias Lovelace. By 1784, Thomas Blackshare moved on to Georgia and James Ratledge Sr., newly arrived in the fall of 1785 from Kent Co., DE settled on his land. There is no deed that I've found between these two. Then in 1787, Deed BK 11, James Ratledge rec'd grant #1471 from State of NC, purchasing 340 acres adj. James Taylor, Wm. Patterson and "his own deeded land" on the W.side of Hunting creek. In Oct. of 1786, Deed BK 11 shows that Wm. Patterson, purchased 478 A on both sides of Hunting Cr, adj. James Rutledge (formerly Thos. Blackshares, James Taylor, James Patterson, William Johnston, Henry Johnston, Samuel McCullum, James Caldwell, James Andrews and James Wallace. This Thomas Blackshear remains a mystery to the Blackshear researchers also. I would just like to know why my James Ratledge Sr. sold land in Kent Co., DE in 1784 to Thomas Blackshear jr. who had no known children and then ends up in Rowan Co., NC in 1785 on land that belonged to another Thomas Blackshear. I continue to search for the answers. Happy Holidays All! Pamela Geisler Smith Gresham, OR

Are there Rowan County Published Deed Abstracts? I need a look-up for Deed Book 4. pg 891 MILLER Also Rowan Co Will Book? I need a look up in Book C 34-39 MILLER I was trying to locate a listing of books published on Rowan County on the Rowan County web page, but I didn't see it. I saw the Look-up site which lists several books. Does anyone know if Rowan County Courthouse would "copy" a deed or will for you if you give them the Deed Book and page # and send them money? How Much? Usually it is about 25 cents a page...at courthouses that I've used. Thanks for your help.... Virginia

hello everyone, i went to the library to make some copies of the 1810, 1800, & 1790 census reports for rowan co. i needed the information on the surname ELLIS which i am researching. i noticed that some of these reports were in some sort of alphabetical order. why did they do this? if i'm correct then if someone is listed next to someone else that does not mean that they lived next to each other? this is the first time i have run into this. can anyone out there help me out. thanks in advance, dallas harold ellis

Hello Could someone confirm for me that Abbotts Creek is located in Davidson Co, NC ? I have tried Mapquest but couldn't determine if Abbotts Creek (and Reedy Creek) were in Davidson county and close to the Forsyth Co line. Thanks much Stephanie

Hi to all, The following information may help some of you, I will not guarantee a correct transcription of all of the names, if in doubt I will add a ? mark after the name, where there is a letter I can not read I will place - for each unknown. The following information was found on LDS microfilm 313,775, Item 3, page 15 "Constabls appointe for the Year 1768" "Adam Spaugh in the room of Christian Fry William ? James on Town Fork in the room of William Bowls? Abraham Vanderpool for Blows? Creek John Donney & Mathew Maas? for the Hollow District John Duncan for the upper part of Dann River James Heans ? in the room of James Poth? Patrick Hamilton in the room of John McPerson? John Fliming in the room of Abraham Erwin Attc? Sherrell in the room of Pihr ? Vonsanu ? Henery Ross in the room of William V--ford? Samuel Moller in the Room of James Stewart James Patterson in the room of John Vonsanu ? Phillip Vable in the Room of Samen? Smith William Patton in the Room of Alexander Peney? John Mc -Don in the room of John Cook Henery Horah in the room of John Bone for Salisbury District Charles Baragar in the room of Barnet Miller (first name written over could be) Wm? Tablwell ? in the room of John Anderson John Ireland from the Fort to the Cataba River and John Dobbins from the fort to Lower part of Wm: Sl(written over ending in)sons District & in William Swansons Room John Cow? in the room of Robert Torbuck Joseph Phillips in the room of George Sprinkle Abraham Wilson in the room of Henery Boucher John Scrutchfield in the room of John Howard Huff? for the upper part of the Yadkin River Aaron Vandeft? in the Room of Adam Hall. Ahnthoney Havelon in the Room of John Jones John Davis in the Room of Jasper Smith" Page 79, same roll of microfilm and same item "Constables appd for the Year 769" (note the 1is missing believe it is for 1769 as it appears with court records of 1769) "1. Henry Horah for the Town of Salisbury (written above Horah "& John Holland") 2. Gray Bynam in the Rooms of William James 3. John Pallon? in Room of Saml Miller 4. James Jamison in the Rooms of James Harris (between lines 4. and 5.) from the Horseford Down 5. Archabald Fleming in the rooms of Ute? Sherrell.< 6. William Armfield in the room of John Mc A Dow 7. John McMahoony in the room of Arth ? Favi low? 8. Jacob Byarer? in the rooms of Chs Barragar 9. William Brown for the Holson 10. Mathias Karns in the Room of Arthor O'neal 11. Thomas Neal in the rooms of John Durhin? 12. Patrick Duffey for Forth Creek Left? com ent? 13. James Glann in the Rooms of George Cox 14. Chs Wadle in the Rooms of John Scruchfield 15. James Fletcher in the rooms of Luke Lu 16. David Sinvdl? oin the room of Ab Vanderpoole 17. William Brison in the rooms of Patrick Hamilton 18 George Smith in the rooms of Phillip Verble 19. Dan il Lewis in the rooms Aaron Vandelf 20. Edward Pamall in the rooms Adam Spaugh? 21. John Pollor? in the rooms of Abram Willson 22. George Smith in the rooms Phillip Varbile 23. James Simpson in the rooms of John Davis 24. Nash? McClalland? in the rooms of John Ireland? 25. Thomas Huff in the room of John Fleming 26. Richard King in the Rooms of James Aathrson? Moris Perkins from the Horse ford ---? (maybe "up") Note of Trivia, early Rowan Co records also gives "Rates of Licquors" very interesting reading on this microfilm. I just wish I were 30 years younger with better eye sight. If you have any questions on a name listed above I will recheck. Beverly

Hi Nina Boy I am not laughing a bit. What I've been told is that we have English Grimes and German Grimes all settling in Rowan County. I am researching the German Grimes which seem to have settled on Abbotts Creek but can also be found down around the Old Pilgrim Church. I have hopefully been able to separate them I think mostly on noting the English first names. Most of mine start Johan Charles Grimes (Greim) etc. Good luck Stephanie HISTMOM@aol.com wrote: > > I hope the Graham's are rolling over in their graves ...... if they could > have only known the confusion they caused by using the same names over and > over and over. > Pronounced GRIMES, they are said to have come down from PA between 1747 and > 1800. By the Spring of 1749, the twenty families included James Sr., James > Jr., Richard, & John Graham, Catheys and James Marl'in (later changed to > Martin) According to the separate wills of Richard Graham died Feb. 13, 1779, > son Joseph was alive & wife Agnes will probated 1792 she mentions son Joseph > & his wife Elioner. > Feb 4, 1788 "ordered that James Marlin, Espr. be appointed guardian of > Rachael & Allen Graham orphans of Joseph Graham, deceased". Would the > children be considered orphans if the mother was alive but unable to care for > them? If any sons were old enough could they have stayed on the land with > the mother and only the younger ones live with aunts, uncles or grandparents? > Nancy Marlin, wife of James, died in 1803, named her granddaughter Eleanor > in her will. > > I am looking for Joseph Graham born abt 1750, married Eleanor Martin abt > 1770, she was born abt 1758. > Children: Eleanor b 1771, married James B. Knox, Allen b between 1772-1777, > probably Joseph, Jr, b 1778, Rachel b abt 1787, married Thomas Williamson > after May1804. Did they have a sister Else? > Book 38 page 523, Feb 5, 1849, Joseph Graham - - no wife signs -- lets George > M. Lyerly (both of Rowan Co., NC) have 150 acres on Back Creek next Thomas > Todd, John Gibson, & Widow Gillespie, for $75.00. Witnessed by J.S. Johnson > Aug 1849. (The amout may not be exact, but it is what my father, Joseph > Graham lived upon & willed me & my sister & two brothers). That would mean > there were 5 living children at that time. I wish he had named his brothers > and sisters or if I could find the will to know if this is a different > Joseph. Would a son be 21 to be willed land or could it have been held in > trust till he was of age? I believe this parcel of land to be near where > Furgus Graham lived and I believe Furgus also had a son Joseph. > If anyone has sorted these people out, I would appriciate any help. Nina > > > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > Have you forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit the RowanRoots-L web page: > http://www.aa.net/~jdcoates/list/rowanroots-l.htm