Jo, I found a little more on the Peint Church. From The North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal; Vol II, No. 3, page 160; 7/1976. This article lists the 5 churches that Pastor Carl Augustus Storch mentioned in his account book. One of them being the Peint Kirche or Pine Church that you asked about. And yes, it is on Bringle Ferry Rd. It was also called the Dutch Pine Meeting House and, now, the Union Lutheran Church. Rev. Storch's reports which I mentioned earlier "Helmstadtische Kirchennachrichten" can be found in the North Carolina Historical Review VII, 1930, translated by Boyd and Krummel. These articles have basically no genealogy in them, but are interesting. They speak of the textbooks for the youth in North Carolina and on letters and reports from N. Carolina back to Helmstaedt. That's about all I have found. I think that The North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal that I spoke of in the first e-mail would be the best to check out for names. sherry

Jo, I have a copy of the translation of Diary of Pastor Storch. Would be happy to look up a name for you. Wilma Jean Reynolds

Betty, the first name appearing on a Bastardy Bond is almost always the father. I have the book by Camin & Camin and am not sure why the reputed fathers are not identified - the original bond almost always states "reputed father." If you write to the NC Archives you can get a copy of the original and it will probably answer any questions you might have. 2nd and 3d bondsmen were usually family or friends of the father but sometimes were related to the mother. If the reputed father did not maintain (support) the child, then 2nd and 3rd bondsmen could be held liable to the courts for maintenance of the child. Best regards, Faye At 06:45 AM 2/27/00 +0000, Betty A. Pace wrote: >I have an ancestor who appears in first bondsman position in 1873 in the >Rowan Bastardy Bonds (a book of the bastardy bonds of many NC counties). >Is first bondsman always the alleged father of the woman's child? There >are also 2nd and 3rd bondsmen. > >Betty Pace

Hello list, I want to say thank you, to everyone that has sent a reply, to how bastardy bonds work. The information is so educational and I, for one, have learned so much. Everyone who took time out of their own busy lives are to be commended for doing so. The help I have received in my quest of Polly Dedmon's son's father has been overwhelming and so much appreciated. Thanks to everyone. Take Care, Melanie Malone

Jo, I have a little bit on the Peint (Pine) church. I think that it is the Union Church on Bringle Ferry, but will have to double check later today. It went by several names, and Rev. Storch was the "main" Pastor. I have read that he kept meticulous records. Here is an e-mail that I received about the church records. I think we are out of luck on early records being microfilmed. Dear Sherry Smith-Stanford Thank you for your recent request for genealogical information. Because the ELCA Archives is currently in the process of relocating to Elk Grove Village, Illinois, we will be unable to service reference requests in a timely way. We have placed your request in our reference file and once we have re-opened at our new location in June, we will answer your letter in the order in which it was received. Thank you for your patience through this process. Elisabeth Wittman Director for Archives and Chief Archivist If you would like to pursue this with our regional archivist in the meantime feel free. The congregation you are interested in is too early for the church body which did the microfilming, so we do not have any records on microfilm for the congregation. Actually, the regional archivist might be the best place for you to start in discovering where that congregation's original records are today. The North Carolina archives is with: The Rev. Karl M. Park, ELCA North Carolina Synod, 1988 Lutheran Synod Drive, Salisbury, NC 28144. Phone: 704/633-4861. Sincerely, Kim Butler Asst. Archivist I also have this reference; "Confirmations; From The North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal" Jan- 1976; Vol. II, No. 1, page 31 Issn: 036-1056. The Account Book of Pastor Storch Peint Church Rowan County. This is where I found my family listed as to their years of confirmation, and it may be your best bet for a start. There may be info from Prof. C.A.Krummel: N. Carolina Historical Review, VII 1930 for Pastor Storch's work in English. Called Helmstadtische Kirchennachrichten. I have not checked out this reference. I have more on this church and some of it's history, but will have to get back to you later today or tomorrow. Talk to you later. sherry smith-stanford

I'm not familiar with all the churches in Rowan, but I live here in Rowan and will attempt to tell you what I can. The Peint Church you refer to is a new one to me. Where is or was it supposed to be?? Organ Church is called Organ Lutheran Church is is still there. The old building is there along with the old cemetery. It is very impressive and if you ever get the chance to look at it, take it. As far as Union goes, there is still a church on Bringle Ferry Road called Union. I'm not sure what denomination it is. Barney >Could someone familiar with Salisbury and Rowan county please tell me >about some of the churches? In particular: >Is Peint Church still called Peint Church and is it still there? >Is Organ Church still called Organ Church and is it still there? >Where is Union Church and was it there during the early 1800s? >Thank you for your help...Jo

In a message dated 2/27/00 5:46:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, barneyb@salisbury.net writes: > As far as Union goes, there is still a church on Bringle Ferry Road called > Union. I'm not sure what denomination it is. > It is Lutheran.... and is near intersection w/ Goodman Lake Road. Sarah Goodman

I have an ancestor who appears in first bondsman position in 1873 in the Rowan Bastardy Bonds (a book of the bastardy bonds of many NC counties). Is first bondsman always the alleged father of the woman's child? There are also 2nd and 3rd bondsmen. Betty Pace On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:34:21 -0500 Faye Moran <fmoran@erols.com> writes: >Below are Bastary Bond laws as incorporated in the Statutes and Common >Law >of North Carolina: > > >1. Any single woman being with child, or having been delivered of a >child, >may be brought before two Justices for examination. If she refuses to >declare (name) the father, she must pay a fine of five dollars, and >give >security to keep the child off of the county, or be committed to jail. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Could someone familiar with Salisbury and Rowan county please tell me about some of the churches? In particular: Is Peint Church still called Peint Church and is it still there? Is Organ Church still called Organ Church and is it still there? Where is Union Church and was it there during the early 1800s? Thank you for your help...Jo

> So, no husband for Polly and no bond? I don't understand. The bond is a loose sheet of paper, and not all survived. You may have to read the minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, and you may find mention of the bond, along with the information of the mother, (alleged) father, and his bondsman. Rick Saunders http://pweb.netcom.com/~fzsaund/0.html

Below are Bastary Bond laws as incorporated in the Statutes and Common Law of North Carolina: 1. Any single woman being with child, or having been delivered of a child, may be brought before two Justices for examination. If she refuses to declare (name) the father, she must pay a fine of five dollars, and give security to keep the child off of the county, or be committed to jail. If she declares the father, he shall enter into recognizance with good security for his appearance at the next County Court or be committed. 2. If the child be not born, the Justices may bind the reputed father to the next Court, at their discretion. 3. When the reputed father cannot be taken, or shall not appear according to his recognizance, the County Court may order a capias to any county in the State, or may issue an attachment against his estate. 4. The defendant may have an issue made up to be tried by a jury whether he be the father. And if the issue is decided against him, or if he shall not make up such issue, he is to be adjudged the reputed father, and in the case of neglect or refusal to enter into bond for maintance , etc. is to be committed to jail. 5. In the trail of this issue, the counsel for the State may appeal to the Superior Court. 6. Examination must be made within three years from the birth. 7. If the allowance made by the County Court be not paid, execution may issue for the same; provided the defendant have ten days notice, or cannot be found to receive notice. 8. The putative father may cause the child or children to be legitimated by the County or Superior Court on petition in writing, provided he shows that he has married the mother, or that she resides out of State, or that she is married to another person, or is dead. 9. The effect of such legitimation shall extend only so far as to impose on the father such duties toward the child as are due to children born out of wedlock; and also to enable the child to inherit from the father real and personal estate; and to cause the estate of such child, in case of intestacy, to be distributed to his or her next of kin. 10. The Clerk of the Court is to record the decree of the Court, and receive from the petitioner one dollar for his services. Forms (used by the State) Warrant against the Woman 1. Examination of the Woman 2. Warrant against the reputed father 3. Recognizance 4. Mittimus in case of refusal or neglect to give security 5. Bastardy Bond Sample of Bastardy Bond: State of North Carolina Wilkes County Know All Men by these Presents, That we, Adolphus Nance, B. A. Nance and Marion Nance are held and firmly bound unto the State of North Carolina in the sum of Two Hundred Dollars, for which payment we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors and administrators, jointly and severally. Signed, and sealed this 18th day of Sept., A.D. 18_1 Whereas, The said Adolphus Nance stands charged with the maintenance of a bastard child, begotten by him upon the body of Martha Queen of said County: Now the Condition of the above Obligation is such, That if the said Adolphus Nance shall perform the order of the Superior Court of said County concerning the maintenance of said child, and indemnify the Said County from any and all charges for the maintenance of the same, then the above obi ligation is to be void: otherwise to remain in full force and virtue. Adolphus (his x mark) Nance, Seal B. A. (his x mark) Nance, Seal Marion (his x mark) Nance, Seal Test: Geo. W. Brown - ------------------------------------ The Bastardy Bonds for Wilkes County, NC (1881-1883) at located on our web site at http://users.erols.com/fmoran/wilkes/wilkb.html Bastardy Bonds for Forsyth County, NC (1849-1878) have been transcribed and published by me. If you are interested in those bonds, please contact me privately. There are Bastardy Bonds for Forsyth County during the years 1915-1927, but I did not publish those for the privacy of any living person. Best regards, Faye At 03:33 PM 2/26/00 -0600, judith wrote: >Sue, or List, does anyone know what the rules were concerning these >bastardy bonds? we have court record of ancestor, Peter vincent, >Granville co. NC who took on 9 year old Thornton Taylor, "base born >child of Elizabeth Taylor" to raise and "teach to be a planter until age >18." Heard it was usually the father or family of father who did such. >aparently he was something of a member of the family. he went with them >to TN well after he was grown. who was responsible for putting up these >bonds, or taking on the responsibility of raising? Judith Vinson > >Sue wrote: >> >> Hello List, >> The Bastardy Bonds ended about 1878, according to Betty J. and Edwin A. >> Camin, the authors of the only book on Bastardy Bonds of N.C., that I am >> aware of. >> Helen Leary, who wrote "North Carolina Research: Genealogy and Local >> History " says that "the power to legitimate was exercised by the >> General Assembly until 1835. and beginning in 1806, this authority was >> shared with the county inferior and superior courts; after 1868 county >> superior courts had sole authority." >> Most of the bonds and records of bastardy are in the State Archives, >> where they are usually filed chronologically. >> (my note: Many of these records are in the county court minutes.) >> Sue Ashby >> CC: Chatham Co., N.C. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncchatha/chatham.htm >> listowner: >> ASHBY-L@rootsweb.com >> NCWAKE-L@rootsweb.com >

Sue, or List, does anyone know what the rules were concerning these bastardy bonds? we have court record of ancestor, Peter vincent, Granville co. NC who took on 9 year old Thornton Taylor, "base born child of Elizabeth Taylor" to raise and "teach to be a planter until age 18." Heard it was usually the father or family of father who did such. aparently he was something of a member of the family. he went with them to TN well after he was grown. who was responsible for putting up these bonds, or taking on the responsibility of raising? Judith Vinson Sue wrote: > > Hello List, > The Bastardy Bonds ended about 1878, according to Betty J. and Edwin A. > Camin, the authors of the only book on Bastardy Bonds of N.C., that I am > aware of. > Helen Leary, who wrote "North Carolina Research: Genealogy and Local > History " says that "the power to legitimate was exercised by the > General Assembly until 1835. and beginning in 1806, this authority was > shared with the county inferior and superior courts; after 1868 county > superior courts had sole authority." > Most of the bonds and records of bastardy are in the State Archives, > where they are usually filed chronologically. > (my note: Many of these records are in the county court minutes.) > Sue Ashby > CC: Chatham Co., N.C. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncchatha/chatham.htm > listowner: > ASHBY-L@rootsweb.com > NCWAKE-L@rootsweb.com

Do you know who the parents of your Elizabeth were? I have some McCorkles in my family line from the Rowan County, NC area. Barney >Recently learned of this family: Capt James BARR born 1746 in Anson County, NC died 1788 in Rowan County, NC. He married Elizabeth McCORKLE. She was born abt 1750 in Rowan County, NC.

Hello List, The Bastardy Bonds ended about 1878, according to Betty J. and Edwin A. Camin, the authors of the only book on Bastardy Bonds of N.C., that I am aware of. Helen Leary, who wrote "North Carolina Research: Genealogy and Local History " says that "the power to legitimate was exercised by the General Assembly until 1835. and beginning in 1806, this authority was shared with the county inferior and superior courts; after 1868 county superior courts had sole authority." Most of the bonds and records of bastardy are in the State Archives, where they are usually filed chronologically. (my note: Many of these records are in the county court minutes.) Sue Ashby CC: Chatham Co., N.C. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncchatha/chatham.htm listowner: ASHBY-L@rootsweb.com NCWAKE-L@rootsweb.com

--part1_a4.124602b.25e9aa87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello List, I received this as an answer to no bastardy bonds on my Jacob Wolf in Rowan or Rutherford County. I have a question. Polly Dedmon wasn't married when she had Jacob Wolf. I thought it was required to have a bond posted for illegitimate children back then. He was born anywhere from 1791 to 1798, which I think is more correct. So, no husband for Polly and no bond? I don't understand. Thanks anyone for an answer, Melanie --part1_a4.124602b.25e9aa87_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <canova@tstar.net> Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc03.mail.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:00:36 -0500 Received: from orion.tstar.net (orion.tstar.net [207.13.78.4]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:00:32 -0500 Received: from tstar.net (dial6-01.tstar.net [198.68.205.16]) by orion.tstar.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23332 for <Whitewolfe0510@aol.com>; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:00:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38B80896.FDD84D44@tstar.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:08:38 -0600 From: Sue <canova@tstar.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Whitewolfe0510@aol.com Subject: Re: [RowanRoots] Re: ROWANROOTS-D Digest V00 #47 References: <6.295df40.25e790ff@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Melanie, Sorry but, No, there isn't a single Wolf/Wolff/Woff, etc listed in Rowan or Rutherford Co. Sue Whitewolfe0510@aol.com wrote: > > Hello list, > I forgot to ask if anyone has access to bastardy bonds as I need to find out > if there was one on Jacob Wolf in Rowan or Rutherford County? > Thank you, > Melanie Malone --part1_a4.124602b.25e9aa87_boundary--

P.S. should have said that Granville Co., starts in 1748 and Rowan Co., in 1757, Chowan in 1736, etc. BUT, the book of Bastardy Bonds by Betty J. and Edwin A. Camin, does not cover all the counties. The others are in the Archives of N.C. Sorry, forgot to include this before Sue LQQKNGOOD@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know the years that the Bastard Bonds were kept for? (i.e. from > 1750 -1850) > > Wanda - NJ >

Wanda and all, They are called "Bastardy Bonds" and it depends on which county you are speaking of. Some counties have them starting in 1770's and some as late as 1870 (of course, since some counties were not created until later) So, if you are asking about Caswell or Carteret County, they begin early. Sue LQQKNGOOD@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know the years that the Bastard Bonds were kept for? (i.e. from > 1750 -1850) > > Wanda - NJ >

Recently learned of this family: Capt James BARR born 1746 in Anson County, NC died 1788 in Rowan County, NC. He married Elizabeth McCORKLE. She was born abt 1750 in Rowan County, NC. We like to correspond with anyone with information on this family. Thanks, Mike and Georgia Cummons Jacksonville, FL

Researching John BUSSELL born abt 1750 Rowan County, NC, died ? in Rowan County, NC. John married Charity SMITH, born abt 1754 in Rowan County and died in Rowan County. There son, John Edgar BUSSELL, was born abt 1780 in Rowan County, NC. John married in Aug 1795 in Putnam County, TN. John died in 1846 in Putnam County. John's wife was Priscilla Unknown. She was born in 1784 in Rowan County and died before 1846. We just recently learned about John and Charity BUSSELL and would like to correspond with anyone researching these people. Thanks, Mike and Georgia Cummons Jacksonville, FL

Stan, I couldn't find your Dedmon Malicoat in my data. There were a large clan of Deadmans in Virginia about the time of your ancestor's birth there. Around the 1830s, many of them migrated to Tennessee. They were descendents of Christopher Deadman from York County, Virginia. As far as is known, they are not connected to the Rowan County, North Carolina Deadmans. Although they all may have a common English ancestor. In a previous message, I said that originally the name was spelled Deadman. Actually, that was the American version. The name in England, where the Deadmans came from, was Debenham and was from the county of Suffolk in England. It was a parish in the diocese of Norwich. It means "homestead by a deep river". Many mistakenly thought that the name "Deadman" was Indian. It sounds like it. But it is not. Your Dedmon Mailcoat's mother, Ellender, may have been a Dedmon. Often a son's first name was the maiden name of his mother. Good luck with your research. By the way, where in Indiana did you come from? I came from Grant County in the north, and now live in Owen County in the south. Lois ---------ORIGINAL MESSAGE--------- : Hi, : : Have any of you Dedmon/Deadman researchers ran across a connection to the : Malicoat(Mallicoat) family of VA and Tn. My ggg grandfather was : Dedmon(Deadman) Malicoat born around 1778 in VA. He moved to TN before 1809. : His mother is only know by her first name Ellender. Could she be a Dedmon? : I had talked to a Malicoat researchers several years ago that thought that : the Dedmon was Indian not French. : I apologize if I miss any discussions pertaining to the Dedmon name. : : Stan : a Hoosier in PA :