Dear Belinda, I think the reading of the banns originated when there were few newspapers and certainly no TV, etc. It was begun to alert the community that perhaps two people might be marrying, one or both of which might have previous spouses or be too close in blood ties to have a legitimate marriage. The congregation was supposed to "squeal" on them to prevent the new marriage. That is the purpose of the end of the marriage ceremony--something to the effect "if anyone knows of a reason why this couple should not be united in holy matrimony, let them speak now or forever hold their peace." Or something to that effect. Betty On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:13:55 -0800 Security <Security@mdusd-csc.cccoe.k12.ca.us> writes: >Betty, now I might be wrong here, but my understanding is that in >order >to get married in the Catholic Church, you have to have the Banns read >aloud in church for 4 Sundays prior to the marriage, I also believe >that >they are also posted someplace in the church. Not being Catholic I'm >not >sure of the exact purpose of the reading & posting of the Banns. I >should ask my Catholic cousins. I know my former mother-in-law, who is >Catholic & was marrying a non-Catholic, told me about her mother >making >sure the Banns were read & everything so that the marriage could take >place. Also, maybe this gives someone a chance who wouldn't be invited >to the wedding a chance if they know of some reason why the marriage >shouldn't take place, they can advise the priest. Maybe someone out >there, who is Catholic, can advise further. >Belinda > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Betty A. Pace [SMTP:bapace2@juno.com] >> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:52 PM >> To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [RowanRoots] Banns versus Marriage Bonds >> >> Why would someone in 1843 choose to marry via marriage bond and not >by >> banns, especially if the young couple were probably poor people? >How >> much did a marriage bond cost in 1843 >> >> My ABNER PACE (b. 1821-23) was an orphan in 1837 when he was >> apprenticed >> to saddlemakers Hiatt and Jean in Guilford Co. NC. He served that >> apprenticeship until of age, and in 1843 he married JULIA ANN REED >> (b.1823-25) in Guilford by marriage bond. The bondsman for this >> marriage >> was RICHARD MINER. The young couple moved almost immediately to >> Salisbury, Rowan Co., NC, where Abner Pace was a harness maker. I >> have >> been unable to find the parents' names for either of them, despite >> searching the court records at the time of Abner's apprentice bond >> hearing and for five years before--no mention of parents. >> >> Betty Pace - Norfolk, VA >> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >> Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >> Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

We had and have a number of Logans in Yadkin co. Yadkin co was within Rowan. I suggest you exhaust efforts in Yadkin as you search. A copy of the Yad Co Heritage book will be helpful and a 2d vol is almost ready. AL Hudson

If some kind person who has #144 CD Family Tree Maker would look up a Joseph Groves(Graves) in the Loyalists in Am. Revolution, I would greatly appreciate it. Wanda

Some time ago there was mention on this list about Bastardy Bonds in Rowan County. Does anyone have a copy of the list, if there is a list? Is HENRY SWINK on that list? Henry Swink was not yet 21 in 1810 so he was born sometime around 1790ish to 1809. Does anyone know anything about this Henry Swink? Thank you for your help...Jo

It is my understanding that a bond was as has been described, i.e., the bondsman was more or less guaranteeing that the marriage was legal and clear. Banns referred to banns that were published for a period of about 4 Sundays in the church paper or whatever. It was free and no money had to be raised or exchanged. These marriages were usually performed by the pastor of the church. Don't carve this in stone, but that is how it was explained to me...Jo Malinda Jones wrote: > Does anyone know what typically prompted a decision to choose one way over > the other ? My family lines were predominantly Protestant where marriage > bonds were used. Just wondering if that was a factor. > > Malinda Jones > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fredric Z. Saunders [mailto:fzsaund@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:54 PM > To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RowanRoots] Banns versus Marriage Bonds > > G. Lee Hearl [glh@naxs.com] stated: > >Betty, > >My understanding is that no money was involved in posting bonds for a > >marriage license.. It was only a promise to pay in case the marriage proved > >to be illegal for some reason.. The same as bonds are made today for > >appearance in court.. The bondsman obligates himself to pay if the person > >dosen't appear in court.. > >G. Lee Hearl.. > ===================================================== > > There would be small fees involved in having the bond filled out and filed, > the same as today. It is just that the 500 pounds of the bond was not paid. > That, as you stated, was just security to guarantee there were no legal > impediments to the marriage. > > Bonds would be more expensive than banns, because of the charge in having > the bond filled out. They were also quicker, with most marriages occurring > within a few days of the bond. > > Rick Saunders > http://pweb.netcom.com/~fzsaund/0.html

Does anyone know what typically prompted a decision to choose one way over the other ? My family lines were predominantly Protestant where marriage bonds were used. Just wondering if that was a factor. Malinda Jones -----Original Message----- From: Fredric Z. Saunders [mailto:fzsaund@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:54 PM To: ROWANROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RowanRoots] Banns versus Marriage Bonds G. Lee Hearl [glh@naxs.com] stated: >Betty, >My understanding is that no money was involved in posting bonds for a >marriage license.. It was only a promise to pay in case the marriage proved >to be illegal for some reason.. The same as bonds are made today for >appearance in court.. The bondsman obligates himself to pay if the person >dosen't appear in court.. >G. Lee Hearl.. ===================================================== There would be small fees involved in having the bond filled out and filed, the same as today. It is just that the 500 pounds of the bond was not paid. That, as you stated, was just security to guarantee there were no legal impediments to the marriage. Bonds would be more expensive than banns, because of the charge in having the bond filled out. They were also quicker, with most marriages occurring within a few days of the bond. Rick Saunders http://pweb.netcom.com/~fzsaund/0.html

G. Lee Hearl [glh@naxs.com] stated: >Betty, >My understanding is that no money was involved in posting bonds for a >marriage license.. It was only a promise to pay in case the marriage proved >to be illegal for some reason.. The same as bonds are made today for >appearance in court.. The bondsman obligates himself to pay if the person >dosen't appear in court.. >G. Lee Hearl.. ===================================================== There would be small fees involved in having the bond filled out and filed, the same as today. It is just that the 500 pounds of the bond was not paid. That, as you stated, was just security to guarantee there were no legal impediments to the marriage. Bonds would be more expensive than banns, because of the charge in having the bond filled out. They were also quicker, with most marriages occurring within a few days of the bond. Rick Saunders http://pweb.netcom.com/~fzsaund/0.html

Related question -- is there any surviving record of marriages that did not have a bond? If so, where would you start to look? Elaine Oakes > There would be small fees involved in having the bond filled out and filed, the same as today. It is just that the 500 pounds of the bond was not paid. That, as you stated, was just security to guarantee there were no legal impediments to the marriage. > > Bonds would be more expensive than banns, because of the charge in having the bond filled out. They were also quicker, with most marriages occurring within a few days of the bond.

Betty, My understanding is that no money was involved in posting bonds for a marriage license.. It was only a promise to pay in case the marriage proved to be illegal for some reason.. The same as bonds are made today for appearance in court.. The bondsman obligates himself to pay if the person dosen't appear in court.. G. Lee Hearl..

It's now Phaniels Church and it's still in Rowan County on Phaniels Church Rd. Barney >Does anyone know anything about Phanuel's Church? Where is/was it? Does it >still exist? Is there a published cemetary listing for it? >I found this is Vol 4 of the cemetery books, in the minister's diary listing. > > >Sarah Goodman > >

I am looking for any info on Elizabeth NEVINS born about 1760 who married Samuel CUMMINS. They married on 28 January 1783, bondsman was John EDGAR (brother-in-law of the groom) and witness was William CRAWFORD. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Cindy Fregoe

Why would someone in 1843 choose to marry via marriage bond and not by banns, especially if the young couple were probably poor people? How much did a marriage bond cost in 1843 My ABNER PACE (b. 1821-23) was an orphan in 1837 when he was apprenticed to saddlemakers Hiatt and Jean in Guilford Co. NC. He served that apprenticeship until of age, and in 1843 he married JULIA ANN REED (b.1823-25) in Guilford by marriage bond. The bondsman for this marriage was RICHARD MINER. The young couple moved almost immediately to Salisbury, Rowan Co., NC, where Abner Pace was a harness maker. I have been unable to find the parents' names for either of them, despite searching the court records at the time of Abner's apprentice bond hearing and for five years before--no mention of parents. Betty Pace - Norfolk, VA ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Need data on Jacob's wives and ch, also where he moved to??? Thanks, Hal McCawley Arnold Logan wrote: > Does anyone have access to Brent Holcomb's "Marriages of Rowan County, > North Carolina 1753-1868" that would be willing to look for a marriage > between Philip Logan and anyone (don't have a name) during the period > from 1780 through 1800. He was a Rev. War soldier but we don't have the > name of his wife or the year of their marriage and are not even sure if > they were married in Rowan County. We live in TX and don't have this > book in our local libraries. Any help would be most appreciated. > Thanks, > > Arnold Logan > dslogan@home.com

Does anyone know anything about Phanuel's Church? Where is/was it? Does it still exist? Is there a published cemetary listing for it? I found this is Vol 4 of the cemetery books, in the minister's diary listing. Sarah Goodman

Arnold, I checked Holcomb's book and I am sorry but there is no Philip Logan. There are 3 Logans: James m. Mary Miller 23 Apr 1776 John m. Margaret Dodson 24 Aug 1830 William m.Mary Bryan, 2 Oct. 1798 Do any of these sound familiar?...Jo Arnold Logan wrote: > Does anyone have access to Brent Holcomb's "Marriages of Rowan County, > North Carolina 1753-1868" that would be willing to look for a marriage > between Philip Logan and anyone (don't have a name) during the period > from 1780 through 1800. He was a Rev. War soldier but we don't have the > name of his wife or the year of their marriage and are not even sure if > they were married in Rowan County. We live in TX and don't have this > book in our local libraries. Any help would be most appreciated. > Thanks, > > Arnold Logan > dslogan@home.com

Does anyone have access to Brent Holcomb's "Marriages of Rowan County, North Carolina 1753-1868" that would be willing to look for a marriage between Philip Logan and anyone (don't have a name) during the period from 1780 through 1800. He was a Rev. War soldier but we don't have the name of his wife or the year of their marriage and are not even sure if they were married in Rowan County. We live in TX and don't have this book in our local libraries. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks, Arnold Logan dslogan@home.com

I have a marriage bond between Michael Getz and Catherine Groves dated 1802. Was also signed by Solomon Groves. Is anyone researching these surnames; or can anyone shed any light as to how Solomon and Catherine were related?

Sorry but there is none. The male Logans were James, John and William. Also a J. N. Loggins. Cathy

>Can someone explain why my ancestors property is under threat by the >state? >Rowan Co., NC. court of pleas & Quarter Sessions. BK 4 page 351 >On 8-2-1783 among those cited to appear at November term last to " Shew >cause under act of Assembly why their estates should not be confisticated It means they were Loyalists. Under a 1777 act of the General Assembly, property could be confiscated of those who supported or aided the British. Rick Saunders http://pweb.netcom.com/~fzsaund/0.html

Can someone explain why my ancestors property is under threat by the state? Rowan Co., NC. court of pleas & Quarter Sessions. BK 4 page 351 On 8-2-1783 among those cited to appear at November term last to " Shew cause under act of Assembly why their estates should not be confisticated ". Where at this court called and made default: Shadrick Eastip (also went to SW VA per RV ) , Will Roberts, Shadrick Roberts, Jno Roberts ( son of Edward ), Moses Roberts, Francis Roberts, and Cornellius Howard. Spelling and punctuation as shown. Thank you Roy "Buck" Roberts bransonbest@juno.com