That is my understanding. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Miller" <[email protected]> To: "Larry Coats" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions > Sorry to barge in on your conversation but I am never going to get this > straight. Is Potts Creek (that was once in Rowan Co. NC) actually > located south of Lexington KY today? > Diane Miller > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Coats" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions > > > > For my purposes, the map would have to show the Bryan Settlement (and > > vicinity)for c. 1778 or before. I know that the Bryan Settlement is > > described as being in or at the "Forks of the Yadkin", but I need to > > be able > > to get a close estimate regarding the distances between Bryan's > > Settlement > > and Coats Branch and 1st and 2d Potts.....I am just guessing that > > those two > > streams/creeks can't be very far at all from Bryan's. I know that 1st > > and > > 2d Potts are very close to Linville and south of Lexington, but I am > > not > > sure about "Coats Branch". > > Thanks, > > Larry > > Oh yes....about that map for sale...if you happen to find the > > particulars(address, etc.), would appreciate it if you would drop me a > > line) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harold R Collins Jr" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Cc: "'Larry Coats'" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:07 AM > > Subject: RE: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions > > > > > >> What is the time frame for the map that you mentioned? Since you > >> mentioned > >> the Bryant Settlement, the Davie Co. Library has a map for sale for > >> $3-$6 > >> (?) of the land grants for the Davie Co. portion of Old Rowan. There > >> is a > >> copy on line, but I failed to find the lisiting. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Larry Coats [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:16 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions > >> > >> Hello all, > >> Could anyone tell me the approximate distance and bearing from: > >> (1)the Bryan Settlement to Coats Branch > >> and > >> (2)the Bryan Settlement to Potts Creek(1st and 2d Potts) > >> > >> I am also looking for a decent map of this part of Old Rowan, so if > >> anyone > >> can put me on to a source that I can either purchase or get via ILL, > >> I > > would > >> appreciate it. > >> Regards, > >> Larry > >> PS: John D. Coates.....are you still the list manager here? If so, > >> drop > > me > >> a line when you get the chance; I have some ideas relating to Wm > >> Coat(e)s > > of > >> Potts Creek. > >> > >> > >> ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > >> RowanRoots is a genealogy/history discussion list. Please stay on > >> topic. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > > RowanRoots is a genealogy/history discussion list. Please stay on > > topic. > > > > >

Thanks, Janet; I will do that if I don't get an answer here. Regards, Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [RowanRoots] Bryan's Settlement -- Old Rowan geography questions Hello All, At one time I was pursuing a possible connection between my as-yet-unidentified Webb family and the Bryans, which is on some family trees, etc. I briefly joined the Bryan list. I highly recommend those interested in the location consider doing this for a short period of time. Somebody there will know the answer I'd lay good odds. Good Luck, Janet Hunter

You have apparently confused two different Bryan settlements. The Bryan families were in the vicinity of the Yadkin River which flows southeast out of the Blue Ridge Mountains in present NC. This family later moved to Kentucky and established a settlement there. These two Bryan settlements were probably two hundred miles apart. The one in NC was established between 1750 and 1770. The one in Kentucky (A part of Va at the the time) was established after 1774. The Bryan and Boone families were related and moved to the same areas in NC and KY. G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Perhaps it would help if we clarified things by pointing out that there is a Lexington, NC, that is in present-day Davidson County, which was once part of Rowan County. Lexington is SW of Greensboro and due south of Winston-Salem. The reference in a previous posting was to Lexington NC and not KY. Katherine Dick Benbow

Thank you all very much. I am trying trying to learn NC history but not being familiar with all the cities, counties, etc. I got confused and feared that I might have to start researching in KY to find my Rowan Co. ancestor. Diane Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions > Perhaps it would help if we clarified things by pointing out that > there is a > Lexington, NC, that is in present-day Davidson County, which was once > part of > Rowan County. Lexington is SW of Greensboro and due south of > Winston-Salem. > The reference in a previous posting was to Lexington NC and not KY. > > Katherine Dick Benbow > > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > RowanRoots is a genealogy/history discussion list. Please stay on > topic. >

Bill, Are there any Elrods on that list? Thanks, Lawrence C. Holcombe

Potts Creek (North and South) are in present day Davidson County, which was formed from Rowan County, North Carolina. Kentucky was never a part of North Carolina. Kentucky was taken from Virginia. Rick Saunders http://genealogypro.com/fsaunders.html

Sorry to barge in on your conversation but I am never going to get this straight. Is Potts Creek (that was once in Rowan Co. NC) actually located south of Lexington KY today? Diane Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Coats" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions > For my purposes, the map would have to show the Bryan Settlement (and > vicinity)for c. 1778 or before. I know that the Bryan Settlement is > described as being in or at the "Forks of the Yadkin", but I need to > be able > to get a close estimate regarding the distances between Bryan's > Settlement > and Coats Branch and 1st and 2d Potts.....I am just guessing that > those two > streams/creeks can't be very far at all from Bryan's. I know that 1st > and > 2d Potts are very close to Linville and south of Lexington, but I am > not > sure about "Coats Branch". > Thanks, > Larry > Oh yes....about that map for sale...if you happen to find the > particulars(address, etc.), would appreciate it if you would drop me a > line) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold R Collins Jr" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: "'Larry Coats'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:07 AM > Subject: RE: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions > > >> What is the time frame for the map that you mentioned? Since you >> mentioned >> the Bryant Settlement, the Davie Co. Library has a map for sale for >> $3-$6 >> (?) of the land grants for the Davie Co. portion of Old Rowan. There >> is a >> copy on line, but I failed to find the lisiting. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Coats [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:16 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions >> >> Hello all, >> Could anyone tell me the approximate distance and bearing from: >> (1)the Bryan Settlement to Coats Branch >> and >> (2)the Bryan Settlement to Potts Creek(1st and 2d Potts) >> >> I am also looking for a decent map of this part of Old Rowan, so if >> anyone >> can put me on to a source that I can either purchase or get via ILL, >> I > would >> appreciate it. >> Regards, >> Larry >> PS: John D. Coates.....are you still the list manager here? If so, >> drop > me >> a line when you get the chance; I have some ideas relating to Wm >> Coat(e)s > of >> Potts Creek. >> >> >> ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== >> RowanRoots is a genealogy/history discussion list. Please stay on >> topic. >> >> >> >> > > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > RowanRoots is a genealogy/history discussion list. Please stay on > topic. >

Larry, My local library has an Atlas of North Carolina, much like a modern driving atlas. While it is modern, it does show small creeks, streams, etc. I have used it on occasion but can't take it off premise. William S. Powell's "The North Carolina Gazetteer: A dictionary of Tar Heel places" might give you the old name, plus the modern name. Betty Pace

Hello All, At one time I was pursuing a possible connection between my as-yet-unidentified Webb family and the Bryans, which is on some family trees, etc. I briefly joined the Bryan list. I highly recommend those interested in the location consider doing this for a short period of time. Somebody there will know the answer I'd lay good odds. Good Luck, Janet Hunter

For my purposes, the map would have to show the Bryan Settlement (and vicinity)for c. 1778 or before. I know that the Bryan Settlement is described as being in or at the "Forks of the Yadkin", but I need to be able to get a close estimate regarding the distances between Bryan's Settlement and Coats Branch and 1st and 2d Potts.....I am just guessing that those two streams/creeks can't be very far at all from Bryan's. I know that 1st and 2d Potts are very close to Linville and south of Lexington, but I am not sure about "Coats Branch". Thanks, Larry Oh yes....about that map for sale...if you happen to find the particulars(address, etc.), would appreciate it if you would drop me a line) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold R Collins Jr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "'Larry Coats'" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:07 AM Subject: RE: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions > What is the time frame for the map that you mentioned? Since you mentioned > the Bryant Settlement, the Davie Co. Library has a map for sale for $3-$6 > (?) of the land grants for the Davie Co. portion of Old Rowan. There is a > copy on line, but I failed to find the lisiting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Coats [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:16 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions > > Hello all, > Could anyone tell me the approximate distance and bearing from: > (1)the Bryan Settlement to Coats Branch > and > (2)the Bryan Settlement to Potts Creek(1st and 2d Potts) > > I am also looking for a decent map of this part of Old Rowan, so if anyone > can put me on to a source that I can either purchase or get via ILL, I would > appreciate it. > Regards, > Larry > PS: John D. Coates.....are you still the list manager here? If so, drop me > a line when you get the chance; I have some ideas relating to Wm Coat(e)s of > Potts Creek. > > > ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== > RowanRoots is a genealogy/history discussion list. Please stay on topic. > > > >

What is the time frame for the map that you mentioned? Since you mentioned the Bryant Settlement, the Davie Co. Library has a map for sale for $3-$6 (?) of the land grants for the Davie Co. portion of Old Rowan. There is a copy on line, but I failed to find the lisiting. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Coats [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [RowanRoots] Old Rowan geography questions Hello all, Could anyone tell me the approximate distance and bearing from: (1)the Bryan Settlement to Coats Branch and (2)the Bryan Settlement to Potts Creek(1st and 2d Potts) I am also looking for a decent map of this part of Old Rowan, so if anyone can put me on to a source that I can either purchase or get via ILL, I would appreciate it. Regards, Larry PS: John D. Coates.....are you still the list manager here? If so, drop me a line when you get the chance; I have some ideas relating to Wm Coat(e)s of Potts Creek. ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== RowanRoots is a genealogy/history discussion list. Please stay on topic.

Hello all, Could anyone tell me the approximate distance and bearing from: (1)the Bryan Settlement to Coats Branch and (2)the Bryan Settlement to Potts Creek(1st and 2d Potts) I am also looking for a decent map of this part of Old Rowan, so if anyone can put me on to a source that I can either purchase or get via ILL, I would appreciate it. Regards, Larry PS: John D. Coates.....are you still the list manager here? If so, drop me a line when you get the chance; I have some ideas relating to Wm Coat(e)s of Potts Creek.

Hi All, Please pardon me for this, but I'm in the process of reconstituting an email address book that died with an old computer. I've not been able to get ;a current one for Stefan Barnhardt form Virginia. I know he was researching the Barnhardt line in Rowan and used this list. So....... Stef if you're still here send me an email to [email protected] If anyone else knows his address I'd appreciate it. Thanks Barney

Bill, Are there any Barnard's listed? Thanks, Cricket ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: [RowanRoots] Confiscated Property To those who had a question on the above mentioned list. I have the Abstract of the Court of P&QS. The names are listed. I will be glad to check for you if you will give me the name you are interested in. The caption is The following persons being Scited [cited] to appear at the November Term last to shew cause under the Act of Assembly why their Estates should not be confiscated were at this Court called & made default, viz..... I can not find where they were listed at the previous NOVEMBER Court, [1782. Bill Coles ==== ROWANROOTS Mailing List ==== RowanRoots is a genealogy/history discussion list. Please stay on topic.

Bill, are there any Richardsons/Richesins (or other spellings of the name) on the list? Thanks for looking. Barbara Cantrell

HeritageQuest has the book on-line (and others). Ask if your local library has a subscription. If they do, you should be able to sign up for free access with your card number and a password. You can also subscribe directly or through the Godfrey Memorial Library, www.godfrey.org . Elaine Oakes

Where would one find the plantation land with a location of Beaverdam branch of Withrow's Creek or of Sills Creek?

Here is a copy of pages 170 - 171 from a reprint (which I have on CD) of the book: CHAPTER XIX THE FIRST YEARS OF PEACE On the nineteenth of October, 1781, Lord Cornwallis surrendered to General Washington, at Yorktown, in Virginia. It was in the middle of the night, a day or two after, that the news of this closing scene in the mighty drama reached Philadelphia. A watchman in the street called out. “Twelve o’clock, and a cloudy morning Cornwallis taken.” In a short time the whole city was aroused, and the wildest manifestations of joy were displayed. The same news ran rapidly over all the States, and the people in every village and hamlet were filled with gladness. In England, all hope of subjugating the States was abandoned, and Lord North retired from the Ministry and the Whigs took charge of the government. Negotiations for peace were entered into, and five commissioners from the United States met a like number from England in Paris, and a provisional treaty of peace was signed September 3, 1782. A final treaty was signed at the same place, on the third of September, 1783, and each of the original Thirteen Colonies was acknowledged by Great Britain to be an Independent and Sovereign State. But though peace with England was declared, there were many bitter heart burnings in the breasts of the people among themselves. The army was unpaid, and efforts were made to array it against Congress, and thus turn over the public civil government into a military despotism. Nothing but the courage and patriotism of General Washington averted that sad calamity. Besides this there were many Loyalists in every part of the country, some of whom had taken up arms in behalf of Great Britain, and many others had remained neutral in the struggle. When peace came the Whigs could scarcely feel that their Tory neighbors ought to enjoy equal rights and privileges with themselves, and no doubt were easily provoked to taunt them with insulting epithets. These were days of violence, and he who had the brawniest arm, or was most active of limb, came out conqueror. Many of the Loyalists voluntarily removed to distant parts of the country, while others received legal notice to depart. Besides this, suits were brought against many for the confiscation of their property for disloyalty, according to Act of the Assembly of North Carolina. This Act was adopted at the first meeting of the General Assembly under the Constitution, at Newbern, April 8, 1777, and declared it to be treason 141 HISTORY OF ROWAN COUNTY and punishable with death and confiscation of goods, to take commission in the army of Great Britain in North Carolina, or to aid or assist in any way the enemies of the State. The law was terribly severe, and was never fully executed. Still, in 1782, twenty-two persons were summoned to appear before the Rowan Inferior Court charged with disloyalty. Some were found guilty and some were acquitted. But the sale of the property of those found guilty was postponed. At the Inferior Court of Rowan for February, 1783, no less than one hundred and sixty persons were cited to appear and show cause why their estates should not be confiscated. Though the citation was signed with the names of Griffith Rutherford, James Macay, William Sharpe, and Robert Mackie, magistrates, holding the Court, it is recorded that the entire lot made default, and thereby ignored or defied the Court. The curious reader will find a list of their names on Minute Docket of Rowan Inferior Court for February, 1783, volume 1778-86. It has been supposed that a considerable part of the German population of Rowan were neutral or averse to the war. But if such was the case not many of them committed any overt act bringing them within purview of the law providing against disloyalty. Out of one hundred and eighty-two names but a small part-about one-fifth-are German names; the rest are common English names. The revolution of one hundred years have softened the asperities and rounded off the sharp prejudices engendered by the great conflict, and we are now able to see that it could be possible for a man to be conscientiously convinced that it was his duty to maintain his loyalty to the king to whom he had given his oath of allegiance. But it was more than could be reasonably expected of the suffering patriots of that day to see it in that light. Still-slowly, imperceptibly-better days came on, and the husbandman could again devote his whole time to the improvement of his farm, and the good housewives to their domestic affairs. In those days the farmer’s life was far more independent and self-sustaining than at present. With the exception of a few articles, such as iron, salt, a little sugar and coffee or chocolate, pepper and spice, the farm, the flecks and herds yielded all that was consumed at the homes of our people. The table was loaded with home productions.

To those who had a question on the above mentioned list. I have the Abstract of the Court of P&QS. The names are listed. I will be glad to check for you if you will give me the name you are interested in. The caption is The following persons being Scited [cited] to appear at the November Term last to shew cause under the Act of Assembly why their Estates should not be confiscated were at this Court called & made default, viz..... I can not find where they were listed at the previous NOVEMBER Court, [1782. Bill Coles