I want to thank all you good people that wrote to me with so much info regarding the above 'subject'. I gained alot of info and I thank you all very much. One more request, does anyone know of the book named, History of the Clan Ross, by Alexander M Ross. I understand it is full of genealogies of various Ross families. It is a hard book to find and is quite expensive. I see where there is a CD-ROM of the book for $12.95 U.S. I am especially looking for the descendents of Alexander, 6th of Little Tarrel who was married to Margaret Munroe, daughter of Alex Munroe. Thanks again, Jenny

Dear Jenny, If you go to www.streetmap.co.uk, and type in Tarrel as a place, you will be taken to a map which shows Tarrel and Balnagown castle. "Tarbet" is also mentioned on the same map - I don't know of a Torbet , but there are several Tarberts - do you know where in Scotland it was? I don't know for certain that Little Tarrel is the same place exactly as Tarrel - just a thought. In a place name reference book there is a reference to " Big Tarrel and Little Tarrel and Tarrel under the rock" - but unhelpfully it doesn't say if they were places near each other, although the only Tarrel it gives as a place is in Ross, so it is likely. If I come across more information, I'll pass it on! Hope this is helpful Janice On Wednesday, May 25, 2005, at 02:00 PM, ROSSGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > ROSSGEN-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 61 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Little Tarrel ["Jenny bakken" > <jennyb@ocis.net>] > #2 unsubscribe ["Jane & David Gow" > <jane_david@cei] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ROSSGEN-D, send a message to > > ROSSGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > > From: "Jenny bakken" <jennyb@ocis.net> > Date: Tue May 24, 2005 7:15:42 PM Europe/London > To: ROSSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Little Tarrel > > > Hi: I have just obtained a pedigree of the Ross family starting with > Malcolm Ross, 1st Earl in the 1100's. It was done by a relative in > 1910 and works its way down to us in Canada. > We are descended down through Hugh of Raridies, then on to Alexander > Ross 1st Chief of Little Tarrel, and down and down. Many dates are > missing, but it is very interesting to read, it really requires alot > of study. > I wonder if someone out there would tell me where Little Tarrel is? > I know it is in Ross Cromarty, and that is all. How far away is Little > Tarrel from Balnagown Castle? > I have a notation regarding a tombstone in TORBET CHURCH. Is this > spelt right and where is Torbet? > Thank for anyones help, > Jenny > > ______________________________ > > > From: "Jane & David Gow" <jane_david@ceinternet.com.au> > Date: Wed May 25, 2005 12:32:23 PM Europe/London > To: ROSSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: unsubscribe > > > Jane& David > >

Hi: I have just obtained a pedigree of the Ross family starting with Malcolm Ross, 1st Earl in the 1100's. It was done by a relative in 1910 and works its way down to us in Canada. We are descended down through Hugh of Raridies, then on to Alexander Ross 1st Chief of Little Tarrel, and down and down. Many dates are missing, but it is very interesting to read, it really requires alot of study. I wonder if someone out there would tell me where Little Tarrel is? I know it is in Ross Cromarty, and that is all. How far away is Little Tarrel from Balnagown Castle? I have a notation regarding a tombstone in TORBET CHURCH. Is this spelt right and where is Torbet? Thank for anyones help, Jenny

re Balnain of B.... Not sure of the answer to your query but noticed that Braefield is near to Balnain, perhaps Brae is the correct reading.

Dear Listers: I just received a copy of the original Birth/Baptism registration of WILLIAM MACKENZIE. I cannot make out one word. Here is the reading: Parish of Urray, County of Ross and Cromarty. Parochial Register # 118766. "William, Son to John MacKenzie and Isobel Stewart his spouse in Balnain of B____ born 1st was baptized 2 Sept 1770 in Presence of the Congregation." Register of Births and Baptisms dated 2.4.1770. QUESTION: I cannot make out BALNAIN of B____. Looks like Brae or Braas or Brad. Anybody have a clue of what this might be?

I am researching McDonalds at Killearnan. My husband's great grandfather Thomas was born in Killearnan in 1839, son of Donald and Elizabeth McDonald (of Tore). He had a brother Alexander, born in 1837. I also have a friend in California whose grandfather, Donald McDonald, was born in Killearnan in 1869, son of Alexander McDonald and Catherine Dallas (married at Quarry of Redcastle). This Alexander was the son of Donald McDonald and Jane McDonald. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has similar interests. Janice MacDonald

I'm looking for an Obit for Robina Logan McKenzie d. 25 October, 1938 at Cruive Cottage, Alness. Does anyone on the list know where to find the right newspaper? -- Sincerely, Celia Ann Roberts, Reference Simsbury Public Library 725 Hopmeadow Street Simsbury, CT 06070 Tel 860-658-7663 Fax 860-658-6732

I've just joined the mailing list as I've just begun my research on Thomas Young born 1807in Black Isle, Scotland, and married Annie McDougall in Avoch in 1849. I've tried to order church records for Black Isle but I am getting no where. Does anyone do census look ups? I need one for 1841 for Thomas to see if I can locate what parish he is in. Thanks, Miranda Young billyoung@telus.net

Can anyone suggest where I might find information about a relation who was a doctor practicing medicine in Scotland in the latter half of the 1800s? He is John Gallie Fraser MB ChB, LRCP (c1867-1925) He is from the area of Nigg (near Tain) Ross & Cromarty. He appears in the 1891 cencus for Nigg as living with his family at Easter Rarichie Farm (Nigg), died 16 Dec 1925 at Leigh on Sea, Essex, and is buried at the Old Nigg Churchyard. My question is how might I trace any information to do with his medical studies.what college, when etc. Thank you from Canada. Wilmer Fawcett

Hi all This is my first request for this list.Am resuming searching for my MacKenzie rellies after a few years absence. Looking for Alexander Bruce MacKenzie who was born to Roderick MacKenzie and Chirsty MacPherson in 1868 in Allegin, Shieldag. Could sks please check the census for that family . Thanking you Lyn

Unfortunately the parents of a couple marrying are seldom recorded before statutory registration began. You may be lucky if the recorder added a qualifier of a by name and sometimes the brides father is given or the place of her family but otherwise the detail of the previous generation is not often there. Don't give up though, Tina

Recent news item in The Scotsman, dated 26th of April, that might be of interest to a few subscribers: "A historic Celtic hero credited with driving the Vikings out of Western Scotland was actually descended from a Norseman, according to research by a leading DNA expert. According to traditional genealogies, Somerled, who is said to have died in 1164 after ousting the Vikings from Argyll, Kintyre and the Western Isles, was descended from an ancient royal line going back to when the Scots were living in Ireland. But Bryan Sykes, an Oxford University professor of human genetics has discovered that Somerled's Y-chromosone - which is inherited through the male line - is of Norse origin. Prof Sykes studies of three Scottish clans have also led to the conclusion that 500,000 people alive today are descended from Somerled - a number only bettered by Genghis Khan, who among historical figures studied to date, has an estimated 16 million descendants. The MacDonald, MacDougall, and MacAllister clans all claim descent from Somerled and Prof Sykes found that between 25 and 45 per cent of them shared the same Y-chromosone, of a kind normally found in Norway but rare in Scotland and Ireland. By analysing the rate of multiplication in DNA samples from clan members, Prof Sykes was able to show that the Y-chromosone came from a common ancestor who lived roughly 1,000 years ago. He then tested 5 chiefs from the clans and discovered they all shared the same chromosone, which convinced him that the common ancestor must be Somerled, Lord of the Isles, in keeping with clan histories.

I was interested to read of your find. My great-grandmother was the last person to be buried there and they had to carry the coffin all the way to the the grave yard as you say there is not access for vehicles. I was there a few years back to lay flowers and found it a moving experience, the friends who took me to the grave yard put a piece in the local paper it read as follows "On one of those glorious summer evenings last week we set out to find an old, unused cemetery near Conon Bridge. Quite by chance and more by good luck than judgement, I found a path near the main road, not a mile from Conan, taking us along beside the River Conon, and after about half a mile and two false trails we came across the cemetery. It is surrounded by an iron fence and two iron gates lying ajar. We went in and after searching, came across the stone and the inscription we were looking for. It is one of the most recent headstones in what is an overgrown piece of land in a most idyllic surrounding. The forest is gradually taking possession and in another 50 years or so may well obliterate the place altogether. There are perhaps 50 or so graves and although some of the headstones have fallen down, and thereare others where the inscriptions have faded rather badly, there are quite a few still legible and one can read of people who died in South Africa, in Perth (Scotland or Australia?) and one of a man killed on the railway line near Bonar Bridge, could it have been during the construction of the Highland line to Wick and Thurso? The dates are very difficult to decipher, but I imagine they go as far back as the beginning of the last century (1800s), the most recent being just before the last war, in the thirties. There were quite a few Mackenzies, mackays, Patersons etc on the headstones, and mostly from the Muir of Ord/Conon Bridge area, and others from the Black Isle. I found the evening very worthwhile and enjoyable. Standing there in the evening sunlight one could imagine how horse drawn hearses would have conveyed the deceased to their last resting places, and with only the noise of the River Conon nearby and the singing of the birds for company, funerals in those far of days may not have been such sad affairs." My great-grandparents were George Mackenzie and Donaldina Paterson. I have been there twice and if I lived nearer would love to transcribe the stones. I hope this is of some interest. Thank you Ann Roots

We found an interesting graveyard while out walking today - near Conan House, Conon Bridge. I don't know anything about researching gravestones, but I was interested at finding a graveyard covering quite a long period, with no obvious vehicular access, and with several species of wild flowers in bloom. Legible gravestones of which I took photographs include * Thomas, Hugh Fraser, and Eleanor Shaw - children who died 1882 * K J Ramsey MacLennan, OBE, died 1988 * Isabella and Kenneth MacLennan, children who died 1849 * Christopher MacDonald, Deputy Commissary of Ordinance (sic), Calcutta, died 1850 Anyone wishing to see these and other pics of the graveyard, please email me. Kind regards Peter Reynolds www.peterreynoldsbooks.co.uk

Hi Deb, I'm sorry to hear about the problems you've had with the GRO. If you can find the parish records, you may find the entire family listed. You didn't say which area of Canada you live in; however, here's a list of all Family History Centers in Canada.... http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp Here's the main website for the Family History Center and provides great information for getting started.... http://www.familysearch.org/ This is the link to the catalog of rental films.... http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp An index to various resources. Be sure to check each letter of the alphabet... http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Rg/frameset_rhelps.asp ....and finally, here's the form for finding information on your ancestors.... http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Best of luck!! Please let me know if I can help you further. Peace and Gentle Sunsets, ~~~Pam Outgoing mail scanned by Norton Antivirus 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Forsyth-Petrov" <tanner1@sympatico.ca> To: "Pam" <pamb@efn.org> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [RossGen] OPR question > Hi Pam, > > I have the same problem at Wilmer. Unfortunately, I paid about $60 Canadian to the > GRO (Scotland's people website) in Scotland to get a very similar record as Wilmer. > John Smith married Jane Doe at X on date T. Nothing more. I felt as I had been a > bit 'ripped off'. > What is the Family History Centre and where is it? > Is there anywhere in Canada that you can think of that might have copies of the actual > parish registers? > Many thanks for your help and time. Deb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam" <pamb@efn.org> > To: <ROSSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: [RossGen] OPR question > >> Hi Wilmer, >> Since you know the parish where the marriage took place, you might want to check >> the parish registers. Many of the parish registers have been photo-copied and are >> available from various sources such as the Family History Center, and of course, >> other sources. Best of luck! >> ~~~Pam >> Outgoing mail scanned by Norton Antivirus 2005 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wilmer Fawcett" <fawcettw@shaw.ca> >> To: <ROSSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:22 AM >> Subject: [RossGen] OPR question >> >>>I have an image copy of the marriage entry in the OPR of my Fraser ancestors >>> from the GRO. It is a simple statement of their marriage, no parents or >>> witnesses named. Does anyone have any suggestions how to trace back from >>> this entry to verify the parents of the married couple? >>> The image reads: >>> OPR/ Parish Rosskeen/ County Ross/ Proclamations of Banns & Marriages/ dated 9.8.16 >>> (Aug 9 1816) >>> Fraser & Munro/ James Fraser wright Parish of Nigg & Catharine Munro were >>> married on the 9th day of August ~~~~~

Hi Wilmer, Since you know the parish where the marriage took place, you might want to check the parish registers. Many of the parish registers have been photo-copied and are available from various sources such as the Family History Center, and of course, other sources. Best of luck! ~~~Pam Outgoing mail scanned by Norton Antivirus 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilmer Fawcett" <fawcettw@shaw.ca> To: <ROSSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: [RossGen] OPR question >I have an image copy of the marriage entry in the OPR of my Fraser ancestors > from the GRO. It is a simple statement of their marriage, no parents or > witnesses named. Does anyone have any suggestions how to trace back from > this entry to verify the parents of the married couple? > The image reads: > OPR/ Parish Rosskeen/ County Ross/ Proclamations of Banns & Marriages/ dated > 9.8.16 (Aug 9 1816) > Fraser & Munro/ James Fraser wright Parish of Nigg & Catharine Munro were > married on the 9th day of August

Yes, I would love to know this too. I have this problem as well with 2 marriages - one in Urray and one in Melrose. If you hear back and someone does not copy the entire list with their answer, would you please share the answer with me. Thanks Deb in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilmer Fawcett" <fawcettw@shaw.ca> To: <ROSSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: [RossGen] OPR question >I have an image copy of the marriage entry in the OPR of my Fraser >ancestors > from the GRO. It is a simple statement of their marriage, no parents or > witnesses named. Does anyone have any suggestions how to trace back from > this entry to verify the parents of the married couple? > > > > The image reads: > > OPR/ Parish Rosskeen/ County Ross/ Proclamations of Banns & Marriages/ > dated > 9.8.16 (Aug 9 1816) > > > > Fraser & Munro/ James Fraser wright Parish of Nigg & Catharine Munro were > married on the 9th day of August > > > > ==== ROSSGEN Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm >

I have an image copy of the marriage entry in the OPR of my Fraser ancestors from the GRO. It is a simple statement of their marriage, no parents or witnesses named. Does anyone have any suggestions how to trace back from this entry to verify the parents of the married couple? The image reads: OPR/ Parish Rosskeen/ County Ross/ Proclamations of Banns & Marriages/ dated 9.8.16 (Aug 9 1816) Fraser & Munro/ James Fraser wright Parish of Nigg & Catharine Munro were married on the 9th day of August

Wilmer Go on to www.wayfarers.net <http://www.wayfarers.net/> and select "Nigg and Shandwick" as your community and then the second category as 'Heritage' and the third as 'History' and you will get Anne Gordon's book on Nigg area - it is 35 chapters long and quite a long read and I hope this meets your need .. It will certainly keep you occupied for some time. Good Luck! There are also photographs of people and the place including how the industry of the early seventies affected the place - in the third category you select 'Photographs' - Big surprise :-) All the best Anne

Does anyone have a list of old graveyards at Rosskeen, Ross & Cromarty, and any contact information?. Seeking MUNRO and FRASER roots from there, late 1700s into 1800s. Thank you from Canada, Wilmer Fawcett