Hi Dee, Not sure if this will answer your question, but, it was very customary for many girls in Ireland to be named after the 'Blessed Virgin Mary', thus they were all named Mary Ellen, Mary Catherine ,Mary Anne..... etc. Even all in one family. The tradition carried down for generations, even in my own family. One of my grandmas was Mary Aileen, another Mary Elizabeth, My aunt, Mary Ellen, my older sister Mary Christine, my younger sister Mary Ellen, and then myself--I guess the middle child syndrome--Janet Aileen. They subsequently all went by their second names, Aileen, Elizabeth, Christy, Ellen, and I am stuck with Janet! I wish I could find the website that goes into detail about the naming patterns, but can't seem to find it. Whenever I see a person posting a name such as Ellen, Catherine, etc., I will always search under 'Mary' also, as usually was their first name! Hope this helps!! Janet Aileen!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Hi Janet- Hi Tom- I see you have rellies from Roscommon also!! Only found these!!  None of the other names , nor Ryan match with a father Peter, --I can look up the particulars if you like! Thank you for what you have already done but I see that I need to go back and check my source docs before I ask you for any more help. SHRYAN in the marriage certificate is probably a misspelling as are some locations (Faleens, Curina). The church records spell Mary's name as SHREHANE, so I wonder if her father could really be Patrick instead of Peter which would tie in with the data you provided. But that would be too easy! I better get some 1901 census data to clear it up. This entry intrigued me: SHREHANE, Mary    Birth     Gender:    Female     Birth Date:    9 Dec 1872    Birthplace:    Ballaghadereen, Mayo, Ire             Recorded in:    Mayo, Ireland             Collection:    Civil Registration     Father:    Patrick SHREHANE     Mother:    Winifred MCCANN Source:    FHL Film 255864    Dates:    1872 - 1873 Was Ballaghadereen at that time part of Mayo? My Currinah-born Mary's birth cert would be with the Supt in Ballaghadereen, Roscommon I was told by the Supt's people in Castlebar. I had little hope of finding out much if anything about the SHREHANES and you have done a fantastic job for me. Thank you. I'll get back to you. You asked "Did you want GALLAGHER too? The marriages do not go up to 1900!" My Gallaghers are all from Fauleens, Mayo from the correspondence and memories I have. Have you access to Mayo, too? Tom Flatley

Cloonbonniff and Clooncraffield are both in the civil parish and the church parish of Kilkeevin They are close to each other but not adjacent. See the map at http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/MAPS/kilkeevin.html The Catholic church records date from 1805 which is very good for Roscommon. They are on film in the National Library in Dublin and also at the Roscommon Heritage and Genealogy Centre. See http://www.irishroots.net/Roscmmn.htm They will search their records for a fee. Richard Callanan, London, England. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 June 2003 21:18 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ROSCOMMON] Clonnbinniffe parish Tom, Thank you for your reply, I have exhausted the LDS resources and still came away with nothing. Dee ==== ROSCOMMON Mailing List ==== Were your ancestors in Roscommon/Connaught criminals? Find out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/criminal_files/criminal_a_b.htm

Hello Dee, Not sure if you have had a look @ this website, has a great database. I found these Flanagans listed in the 1901 census--Have a look, Janet http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/index.shtml Cloonbonniff is in the parish of Kilkeevin, barony of Castlerea-- Cloonbonniff Kilkeevin Castlerea Roscommon Household Flanagan Bridget(30) farmer/husband away Patrick(14)-Dominick(12)-Annie(5)-Michael Duffery?(40) brother And so is Clooncraffield-- Clooncraffield Kilkeevin Castlerea Roscommon Household Flanagan Patrick(45) farmer Catherine(40) Clooncraffield Kilkeevin Castlerea Roscommon Household Flanagan Ellen(42) farmer Thomas(22)-Martin(14)-Katie(12)-Winey(8)-Michael(5) Clooncraffield Kilkeevin Castlerea Roscommon Household Flanagan John(40) farmer _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Janet how common is it that the last names are correct but the first names are different. I know that my grandmother was born a Josephine but when she arrived here in the USA,, went by Mary ??? why would that be??

Hi Peter, here are other Patricks-- LENAHAN, Patritium Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 3 Feb 1853 Recorded in: Roscommon and kilteevan, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Joannis LENAHAN Mother: Brigidae MEEHAN Source: FHL Film 989748 Dates: 1837 - 1881 LENAHAN, Patritium Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 13 Mar 1859 Recorded in: Killukin, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Joannis LENAHAN Mother: Margaret MCKEAN Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1850 - 1865 LENAHAN, Patritium Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 29 Jun 1863 Recorded in: Killukin, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Michaelis LENAHAN Mother: Briget MULLANY Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1850 - 1865 These are two Patrick Lenahan marriages, maybe a relation, or Patricks father?-- LENAHAN, Patritium Marr 1842 Irel Rosc Kiabal Sp: Brigidam DOCKRY LENAHAN, Patritium Marr 1846 Irel Rosc Kiabal Sp: Eleonoram BURKE More marriages-- LENAGHAN, Patritium Marr 1836 Irel Rosc Boyle Sp: Bridgita SHARKETT LENAGHAN, Patritium Marr 1841 Irel Rosc Stroke Sp: Catherinam DOCKERY LENAGHAN, Patritium Marr 1844 Irel Rosc Stroke Sp: Winefredam FINERN LENAGHAN, Patritium Marr 1857 Irel Rosc Stroke Sp: Mariam LENAGHAN LENAGHAN, Patritium Marr 1863 Irel Rosc Stroke Sp: Eleanoram GIBLIN >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Mulvey Lenahan >Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:08:47 EDT > >Regarding gpa Patrick Lenahan, he was twice married, daughter Mary born >approx. 1885 with first wife, then later Francis ,Ann( my mother) etc. with >the >second wife. 1843 is one date I was given . 1901 census says he was 45 at >the >time of census, thus born in 1856, and also lists my mother as born in 1896 >not >April 4,1901 as she claimed in her passport. I don't have dates for either >marriage. In the 1901 census they were living in Ardcarn parish. >Pete _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hello Lillian-- Is it possibly Archibald, son of Alexander?-- FRAZER, Archibald Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Dec 1872 Birthplace: Ballinameen, Ros, Ire Recorded in: Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Alexander FRAZER Mother: Lizzy MOORE Source: FHL Film 255864 Dates: 1872 - 1872 All children to this couple found-- FRASER, Eliza Jane Bir 1869 Irel Rosc Fa: Alexander FRASER Mo: Lizzy MOOR FRAZER, James William Bir 1871 Irel Rosc Fa: Alexander FRAZER Mo: Lizzy MOORE FRAZER, Archibald Bir 1872 Irel Rosc Fa: Alexander FRAZER Mo: Lizzy MOORE Here's another Archibald family-- FRAZER, Joannam Chr 1850 Irel Rosc Ardatu Fa: Archy FRAZER Mo: Wynefridae CONLON FRAZER, Ricardum Chr 1852 Irel Rosc Ardatu Fa: Archibald FRAZER Mo: Wynefridae CONLON FRAZER, Joannem Chr 1855 Irel Rosc Ardatu Fa: Archibold FRAZER Mo: Wynefridae CONLON FRAZER, Margaritam Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 24 Mar 1857 Recorded in: Ardcarn and tuamna, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Archibaldi FRAZER Mother: Winifridae CONNILLAN Source: FHL Film 989746 Dates: 1843 - 1861 And another one-- FRAZER, Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 13 Jun 1868 Birthplace: 88, Leitrim, Ros, Ire Recorded in: Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Archibald FRAZER Mother: Fanny LITTLE Source: FHL Film 101167 Dates: 1868 - 1869 and another-- FRAZER, Jacobum Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 9 Jul 1849 Recorded in: Ardcarn and tuamna, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Archoboldi FRAZER Mother: Mariae LEYDAN Source: FHL Film 989746 Dates: 1843 - 1861 Hope these help! Janet _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hi Deirdre-These are the only Flanagan/Flynne births I see, they are in Castlerea-Janet FLANAGAN, Thomas Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Dec 1870 Birthplace: 203, Castlerea, Ros, Ire Recorded in: Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Patrick FLANAGAN Mother: Mary FLYNN Source: FHL Film 255814 Dates: 1870 - 1871 All to these parents-- FLANAGAN, Margaret Bir 1867 Irel Rosc Fa: Patrick FLANAGAN Mo: Mary Anne FLYNN FLANAGAN, Michael Bir 1868 Irel Rosc Fa: Patrick FLANAGAN Mo: Mary FLYNN FLANAGAN, Thomas Bir 1870 Irel Rosc Fa: Patrick FLANAGAN Mo: Mary FLYNN FLANAGAN, Mary Bir 1875 Irel Rosc Fa: Patrick FLANAGAN Mo: Mary FLYNN _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Dee, I know the feeling. Can't find some of the records I want either. Suspect that compliance with registration requirements wasn't 100% early on. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [ROSCOMMON] Clonnbinniffe parish > Tom, > Thank you for your reply, > I have exhausted the LDS resources and still came away with nothing. > Dee > > > ==== ROSCOMMON Mailing List ==== > Were your ancestors in Roscommon/Connaught criminals? Find out at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/criminal_files/criminal_a_b.htm > > >

Tom, Thank you for your reply, I have exhausted the LDS resources and still came away with nothing. Dee

Dierdre, Ireland started keeping civil records of births, deaths and marriages, and indexing them, in 1864. These have been microfilmed; some are available thru LDS. The indexes are available to well into the 20th century; actual birth records until about 1880; actual death and marriage records until 1870. You should be able to find the birth for your Thomas Flanagan if you start with the 1868 index, then work back and forth a year at a time. Check out the LDS website at www.familysearch.org. Click on the library tab to find one of their branches near you, and search their catalog for likely microfilms. Good luck. Tom Breedlove ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [ROSCOMMON] Clonnbinniffe parish > Can anyone help me with information about my family .I have been searching > and searching and I'm not coming up with any solid information that tell me my > grandfather's birht date . my great grandparents date of marriage and if there > were other children. > My grandfather is Thomas Flanagan born some time around 1868 > His parents were- Thomas Flanagan and Catherine Flynn > That is all the information I have been able to find except on a passport he > states he was from Clooncrafield. > Please help. > Thank you, > Deirdre > > > ==== ROSCOMMON Mailing List ==== > ROSCOMMON-L searchable archives > ROSCOMMON-L threaded archives > > >

Go to the www.rootsweb.com home page. There, click on the link for the searchable archives. Call up the Roscommon mail list. The list is searchable by year; use 2003 and the words "Rutland" and "Irish" as your search arguments. You should get all the messages you want to see. Good luck. Tom Breedlove ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [ROSCOMMON] RE: Rutland drawing the Irish > I missed the Rutland item. Please tell me where I can find the responses. > Could this be Rutland, VT? > > > ==== ROSCOMMON Mailing List ==== > Were your ancestors transported from Connaught to Australia 1835-1840? > Find their names at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/transported.htm > > >

Anyone able to do a lookup for a marriage in 1833, Roscommon. John Edwin Cornes married Margaret Graham no idea of day/month. Can anyone help? Thanks althea

Can anyone help me with information about my family .I have been searching and searching and I'm not coming up with any solid information that tell me my grandfather's birht date . my great grandparents date of marriage and if there were other children. My grandfather is Thomas Flanagan born some time around 1868 His parents were- Thomas Flanagan and Catherine Flynn That is all the information I have been able to find except on a passport he states he was from Clooncrafield. Please help. Thank you, Deirdre

Regarding gpa Patrick Lenahan, he was twice married, daughter Mary born approx. 1885 with first wife, then later Francis ,Ann( my mother) etc. with the second wife. 1843 is one date I was given . 1901 census says he was 45 at the time of census, thus born in 1856, and also lists my mother as born in 1896 not April 4,1901 as she claimed in her passport. I don't have dates for either marriage. In the 1901 census they were living in Ardcarn parish. Pete

Hi, Mary Jean, If I had a range of records, I would do the look-up for you, but in fact I have only a few of Sacred Heart's baptismal and marriage records, ones that included my family names -- Colligan and Reilly, both from Kilglass Parish. Sorry I can't be of more help. Have you tried the Roscommon Heritage Center in Strokestown? Mary Lee

I missed the Rutland item. Please tell me where I can find the responses. Could this be Rutland, VT?

So sorry...I had intended to send that last message privately.....not to the list. Fran Weeks

Hi, Mary Lee! I enjoyed reading this posting of yours very much, as I do all of your postings. With each I learn something interesting. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Fran Weeks ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [ROSCOMMON] RE: Rutland drawing the Irish > Hi, Helen, > To respond to your interest in why the Irish went to Rutland -- > A lot of Irish landed in Quebec after 1830. The Atlantic crossing to > Quebec was less expensive: ships loaded with timber would cross the Atlantic to > England and maybe elsewhere and, rather than return empty, would carry Irish > back to Canada. Many Irish who landed in southern Canada, I've read, would then > walk across the border to the U.S. Rutland, comparatively, is not a great > distance from Quebec. Rutland also was not that far from the ports of arrival at > Boston and New York City. > There were jobs building railroads available in Central Vermont in the > 1840s and by 1852, roughly, Rutland had become a rail hub. Approximately 8 > railroads went through Rutland then. Once they were established, the marble > business at Rutland and West Rutland boomed and many Irish who built the railroads > moved into the marble quarries and jobs running the railroads. By 1860 and even > earlier, there were hundreds of Irish marble workers there. > A sizable number of Roscommon immigrants went to Rutland. I have examined > naturalization records and found more than 200 Roscommoners. Many of them, in > particular, came from Kilglass Parish and the area around Strokestown, > beginning in the mid-1830s or earlier. > There was a known further movement of immigrants from Rutland to > Illinois, probably along the Erie Canal across New York. (Farmland in Rutland was > relatively expensive.) At least a few of them, I've found, later moved again, to > Minnesota. > I hope this helps. FYI, Rootsweb has an active Rutland list. > Mary Lee Dunn > > > > > ==== ROSCOMMON Mailing List ==== > Were your Irish ancestors victimized by British Robber Baron Cromwell? > Find their names at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/certificate.htm > Contact List Admin: [email protected] >

Hello Peter-- Just a question--- Patrick, born about 1843, had children after 1900? He would have been almost 60, is that correct? Do you know about when he was married? The births in these records do not go up to 1901, unfortunately. Here are the Patricks in your timeframe- LENAGHAN, Patritium Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 25 Apr 1841 Recorded in: Roscommon and kilteevan, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Patritii LENAGHAN Mother: Mariae GARVIN Source: FHL Film 989748 Dates: 1837 - 1881 LENAHAN, Patritium Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Mar 1846 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Jacobi LENAHAN Mother: Margaret HARRINGTON Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 LENAHAN, Patritium Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Mar 1846 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Joannis LENAHAN Mother: Mariae MC KEON Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 Here is Malachy-- MULVY, Malachiam Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 22 Jan 1845 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Petri MULVY Mother: Mariae BRENNAN Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 Here are all chikdren to Peter and Maria in these records-- MULVY, Malachiam Chr 1845 Irel Rosc Kiabal Fa: Petri MULVY Mo: Mariae BRENNAN MULVY, Patritium Chr 1847 Irel Rosc Kiabal Fa: Petri MULVY Mo: Mariae BRENNAN MULVY, Mariam Chr 1852 Irel Rosc Killuk Fa: Petri MULVY Mo: Mariae BRENNAN MULVY, Margaritam Chr 1854 Irel Rosc Killuk Fa: Petri MULVY Mo: Mariae BRENAN MULVY, Petrum Chr 1861 Irel Rosc Killuk Fa: Petri MULVY Mo: Mariae BRENNAN Hope these help!! Janet >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Mulvey-Lenahan >Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:36:28 EDT > >dear Janet- If you have time can you look up Lenahan( or Leneghan) in the >area of Ardcarn, particularly my grandfather Patrick, born about 1843, >children >ann (b.abt 1901, Francis, and mary/molly. Patrick is also the great >grandfather >of the present Irish president, Mary Leneghan Macaleese. Any data about >patrick's wife,or any earlier info woould be appreciated. >I noticed in an earlier posting of yours Peter Mulvey born 1861 to Peter >Mulvey and Maria Brennan, who I believe was my grandfather. In the same >posting >was a Peter Mulvey born 1871 to Malachy Mulvey and Sarah Conroy. I'm told >by >Malachy's grand daughter that Malachy was also a son of Peter Mulvey and >Maria >Brennan. Do you have any record of a Malachy born to Peter and Maria, >approx >1840? > >Thanks for the help you have given everyone. >Peter Mulvey _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail