This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waroper Surnames: Roper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1851.1.1.2.1.1.2.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Within this post, you briefly cite a record of Calloway ROPER (b abt 1808), orphan of Caty ROPER. This particular ROPER is mentioned in a couple of Pulaski records and then seems to simply disappear, though less than a complete investigation or survey of the Pulaski records has been completed. I have NOT seen the underlying primary records concerning Calloway ROPER, however Dave ROPER has several abstracted records at his Kentucky ROPER pages pertaining to Calloway ROPER. First, is this abstract from the Pulaski deed book: "Pulaski Co. Deed Book, #3, p. 366: This Indenture made between Wm. Fox as Clerk of Co. Court on behalf of Calloway Roper orphan of Caty Roper of one part and David Fizer other part - to serve David Fizer until age of 21 - to teach him the arts of winsor Chair Making - Calloway is about 10 yr. old. 24 Aug 1818." This record suggests that Calloway was born about 1808 and orphaned before 24 Aug 1818. Next is this record almost three years later: "Agreement and order of the County Court of Pulaski Co.. This indenture is made between Wm. Fox as Clerk of the Court aforesaid on behalf of Calloway Roper orphan of Caty Roper of the one part and John Metcalfe Jun of other part - wit, that the said Calloway Roper is honestly and industrously to serve and obey the said John Metcalfe in all lawful Commands until he shall be 21 yr. old and he the said John Metcalfe do agree to find Calloway a sufficient of good clothes and good holesome diet all other Neccessities as long as he should serve him and to learn him all the ministries of Carding and spinning business or trade at his factory and have him taught to read, Common Arithmetic and treat him in a human and tender manner - and at the expiration of Calloway Ropers service who is suppose to be 13 years old about the 1st Sept next. John Metcalfe is to give him 3 pounds 10 shillings & a decent new outfit. 28 May 1821 1821 Calloway Roper to John Metcalf, apps 407" Calloway is again identified as an orphan of Caty ROPER and is his birth is even more precisely described as "who is suppose to be 13 years old about the 1st Sept next." The implication is that on or about 01 Sep 1821, Calloway will turn 13, thereby implying that Calloway was born about 01 Sep 1821. Dave shows two other abstracts from Pulaski Order Book No. 3 in 1817 and 1820: "Pulaski Co. Court Order Book #3: p. 130: Bount out to Christly Yanders-Betsy Ann Roper orphan of ____ Roper agreeable to an act of General Assembly of KY in such case made and provided for the said Betsy Ann Roper. Supposed to be above 3 years old. Aug term 1817. p. 406: Williams Owens kept Calloway Roper for term of 6 months - Nov term 1820. Kept him for 37 cents per week." The former record shows that there was another contemporaneous ROPER orphan in Pulasky County, Betsy Ann ROPER, age 3 in August 1817. Given the close proximity as to time and place, we cannot exclude the possibility that Betsy Ann ROPER is Calloway's younger sister. The latter record seems to indicate that William OWENS cared for Calloway, possibly before he was bound out to David FIZER. Admittedly, this is very sketchy and incomplete information as to either Calloway ROPER (b abt 01 Sep 1808) or Betsy Ann ROPER (b abt 1814). Neither of the David ROPER households in Pulaski reflects a male child under age 10: David ROPER: 0 - 0 - 1 - 2 - 1 -- 0 - 1 - 1 - 0 - 1 -- 2 [Pulaski, KY 1810] David ROPER: 0 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 1 -- 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 0 -- 0 [Pulaski, KY 1810] By contrast, there seem to be three young make children within the household of Thomas ROPER, of Pulaski, in 1810: Thomas ROPER: 3 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 -- 0 [Pulaski, KY 1810] Thomas ROPER would definitely seem to be a candidate to be the father of Calloway ROPER. However, any other ROPER household might have migrated through the Cumberland Gap on the Wilderness Road and settled in Pulaski County between the date of the 1810 Census enumeration and the first of these cited records in August 1817. * The possibility that Thomas ROPER might have died in Pulaski is also inconsistent with my analysis within the post, at least as to prior appearance in Pulaski: "Thomas ROPER (b abt 1780 - NC), of Clinton, IL" (7 Mar 2014 5:18AM GMT) http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.roper/1851.1.1.2.1.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx * I would, however, make one other observation as to Calloway ROPER and Betsy Ann ROPER. It seems to me that if these two orphans were closely related to either of the two David ROPERs shown in the 1810 enumeration that it would be somewhat more likely that they might have been taken in by their more immediate relatives. This seems to me to be somewhat suggestive of a more distant relationship. Perhaps there is something else in the Will of David ROPER (b Oct 1755) or other Pulaski records which can further illuminate these early Kentucky ROPERs. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>